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Bush's Achievements: Ten things the president got right.
The Weekly Standard ^| 01/19/2008 | Fred Barnes
 
The postmortems on the presidency of George W. Bush are all wrong. The liberal line is that Bush dangerously weakened America's position in the world and rushed to the aid of the rich and powerful as income inequality worsened. That is twaddle. Conservatives--okay, not all of them--have only been a little bit kinder. They give Bush credit for the surge that saved Iraq, but not for much else.  He deserves better. His presidency was far more successful than not. And there's an aspect of his decision-making that merits special recognition: his courage. Time and time again, Bush did what other presidents, even Ronald Reagan, would not have done and for which he was vilified and abused. That--defiantly doing the right thing--is what distinguished his presidency.  Bush had ten great achievements (and maybe more) in his eight years in the White House, starting with his decision in 2001 to jettison the Kyoto global warming treaty so loved by Al Gore, the environmental lobby, elite opinion, and Europeans. The treaty was a disaster, with India and China exempted and economic decline the certain result. Everyone knew it. But only Bush said so and acted accordingly.  He stood athwart mounting global warming hysteria and yelled, "Stop!" He slowed the movement toward a policy blunder of worldwide impact, providing time for facts to catch up with the dubious claims of alarmists. Thanks in part to Bush, the supposed consensus of scientists on global warming has now collapsed. The skeptics, who point to global cooling over the past decade, are now heard loud and clear. And a rational approach to the theory of manmade global warming is possible.  Second, enhanced interrogation of terrorists. Along with use of secret prisons and wireless eavesdropping, this saved American lives. How many thousands of lives? We'll never know. But, as Charles Krauthammer said recently, "Those are precisely the elements which kept us safe and which have prevented a second attack."  Crucial intelligence was obtained from captured al Qaeda leaders, including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, with the help of waterboarding. Whether this tactic--it creates a drowning sensation--is torture is a matter of debate. John McCain and many Democrats say it is. Bush and Vice President Cheney insist it isn't. In any case, it was necessary. Lincoln once made a similar point in defending his suspension of habeas corpus in direct defiance of Chief Justice Roger Taney. "Are all the laws but one to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated?" Lincoln asked. Bush understood the answer in wartime had to be no.  Bush's third achievement was the rebuilding of presidential authority, badly degraded in the era of Vietnam, Watergate, and Bill Clinton. He didn't hesitate to conduct wireless surveillance of terrorists without getting a federal judge's okay. He decided on his own how to treat terrorists and where they should be imprisoned. Those were legitimate decisions for which the president, as commander in chief, should feel no need to apologize.  Defending, all the way to the Supreme Court, Cheney's refusal to disclose to Congress the names of people he'd consulted on energy policy was also enormously important. Democratic congressman Henry Waxman demanded the names, but the Court upheld Cheney, 7-2. Last week, Cheney defended his refusal, waspishly noting that Waxman "doesn't call me up and tell me who he's meeting with."  Achievement number four was Bush's unswerving support for Israel. Reagan was once deemed Israel's best friend in the White House. Now Bush can claim the title. He ostracized Yasser Arafat as an impediment to peace in the Middle East. This infuriated the anti-Israel forces in Europe, the Third World, and the United Nations, and was criticized by champions of the "peace process" here at home. Bush was right.  He was clever in his support. Bush announced that Ariel Sharon should withdraw the tanks he'd sent into the West Bank in 2002, then exerted zero pressure on Sharon to do so. And he backed the wall along Israel's eastern border without endorsing it as an official boundary, while knowing full well that it might eventually become exactly that. He was a loyal friend.  His fifth success was No Child Left Behind (NCLB), the education reform bill cosponsored by America's most prominent liberal Democratic senator Edward Kennedy. The teachers' unions, school boards, the education establishment, conservatives adamant about local control of schools--they all loathed the measure and still do. It requires two things they ardently oppose, mandatory testing and accountability.  Kennedy later turned against NCLB, saying Bush is shortchanging the program. In truth, federal education spending is at record levels. Another complaint is that it forces teachers to "teach to the test." The tests are on math and reading. They are tests worth teaching to.  Sixth, Bush declared in his second inaugural address in 2005 that American foreign policy (at least his) would henceforth focus on promoting democracy around the world. This put him squarely in the Reagan camp, but he was lambasted as unrealistic, impractical, and a tool of wily neoconservatives. The new policy gave Bush credibility in pressing for democracy in the former Soviet republics and Middle East and in zinging various dictators and kleptocrats. It will do the same for President Obama, if he's wise enough to hang onto it.  The seventh achievement is the Medicare prescription drug benefit, enacted in 2003. It's not only wildly popular; it has cost less than expected by triggering competition among drug companies. Conservatives have deep reservations about the program. But they shouldn't have been surprised. Bush advocated the drug benefit in the 2000 campaign. And if he hadn't acted, Democrats would have, with a much less attractive result.  Then there were John Roberts and Sam Alito. In putting them on the Supreme Court and naming Roberts chief justice, Bush achieved what had eluded Richard Nixon, Reagan, and his own father. Roberts and Alito made the Court indisputably more conservative. And the good news is Roberts, 53, and Alito, 58, should be justices for decades to come.  Bush's ninth achievement has been widely ignored. He strengthened relations with east Asian democracies (Japan, South Korea, Australia) without causing a rift with China. On top of that, he forged strong ties with India. An important factor was their common enemy, Islamic jihadists. After 9/11, Bush made the most of this, and Indian leaders were receptive. His state dinner for Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh in 2006 was a lovefest.  Finally, a no-brainer: the surge. Bush prompted nearly unanimous disapproval in January 2007 when he announced he was sending more troops to Iraq and adopting a new counterinsurgency strategy. His opponents initially included the State Department, the Pentagon, most of Congress, the media, the foreign policy establishment, indeed the whole world. This makes his decision a profile in courage. Best of all, the surge worked. Iraq is now a fragile but functioning democracy.  How does Bush rank as a president? We won't know until he's judged from the perspective of two or three decades. Hindsight forced a sharp upgrading of the presidencies of Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower. Given his achievements, it may have the same effect for Bush.

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Re: W's achievements
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2009, 05:58:46 PM »
Haw haw haw! I want some of what you are drinking, fish! Achievements indeed.  ::)   And you had to go back a whole year to find this? Brilliant!

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2009, 06:00:24 PM »
they are all facts cowpoke. better than coffee, eh?

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2009, 07:28:59 PM »
"Facts"? Possibly. Achievements? Not so much.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2009, 08:34:04 PM »
According to several government historians at Mizzou and a few other universities I have read, President Bush as been handed more challenges than any President in History.  Now, I don't know if I fully agree with "more than any" but he sure received more than his share of them.

One accomplishment he had is nobody has been able to cut my head off or bomb us on our soil since 9-11, that is an accomplishment I think is kinda neat...I hope President-Elect Obama has continued success with that accomplishment.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2009, 08:47:26 PM »
According to several government historians at Mizzou and a few other universities I have read, President Bush as been handed more challenges than any President in History.  Now, I don't know if I fully agree with "more than any" but he sure received more than his share of them.

One accomplishment he had is nobody has been able to cut my head off or bomb us on our soil since 9-11, that is an accomplishment I think is kinda neat...I hope President-Elect Obama has continued success with that accomplishment.

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I agree totally.  If he has done nothing else he has kept the people on our US soil safe.  Granted we have lost a lot of lives in the process but I wager those heroes thought they were doing a good thing.
 
I thought I heard where Obama is dismantling HOmeland Security, that is a step in the wrong direction if you ask me.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2009, 09:00:07 PM »
Actually, nobody bombed our soil or cut off our heads in the years prior to 9/11 either. What is up with that? Bin Laden had not discovered us yet?

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2009, 09:17:56 PM »
I am counting airplanes as bombs...sorry for the confusion.  Cutting off heads is what they like to do when they capture one of our people and I am just guessing (again, very sorry if I started confusion) that is what they would do here if allowed to also.

That is what is up with that...just my humble opinion.

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2009, 11:21:16 PM »
Face it oldcowpoke.  If it is positive and President Bush 's name is associated with it, you are holding your nose, no matter what the facts.  We have to remember, the administration was not remarkable until we got hit on 911.  Then things happened and they happened fast.  While I don't agree with the passing of the unconstitutional patriot act (which was passed almost unanimously by the congress), it probably did save some lives.  I feel Bush was confronted with hard choices and he made choices, based not on public polls and popularity, but on what was the right and correct thing to do to protect this country.  Having said that to you, I think you can go ahead now and put some more lemon juice in your mouth to pucker up your face a little more.

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2009, 11:35:02 PM »
Damn right. George W Bush is an nincompoop who could not find his ass with both hands and a roadmap, if he had not had Rove and Cheney to show him.

Who kept us safe until he got here, for god sake? Who kept those bombs from falling in the years before his election? Nevermind, it is a rhetorical question. Just saying that we were already in the crosshairs, and incidents were happening, but it was only AFTER Bushes election that the major attack happened. Maybe he was the cause of it, not the savior.

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2009, 11:48:19 PM »
Well, I don't believe in calling our President names such as that, no matter what party they are, just out of respect to the office, but I also respect your right to do so.

The good news for you and others with your beliefs is...in a few days W will be back in Texas and your choice for President will be in control along with a huge majority in both the House and Senate.  Not a Republican in sight to blame anything on so whatever happens in the next two years your guys/gals can take all of the credit for.  They have had a large majority in both the House and Senate the last few years but somehow have not been able to promote their agenda but now with the White House also, there is nothing that can stand in their way.

I do wish them the best, afterall....we all have to live with whatever is put in place in DC, no matter who it is.

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2009, 12:18:59 AM »
I called him that before he was ever elected, and nothing happened in 8 years to change my mind. If anybody ever sullied the office of the President, it is GWB. He is the one who has no respect for the office he holds. He has no respect, period. Even his fans say his smirk is real - he is nothing but a smart ass.

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2009, 12:25:50 AM »
Just remember there will be no republicans to blame now.  They get the credit.  they also get all the blame this time around.  If congress were to lose some of the more fanatic liberals, they probably could get something constructive done. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2009, 01:55:35 AM »
and W kept the country safe during how many hurricanes? Floods? wildfires? mudslides? devastating tornados?

He inherited a recession from bubba and got us out of it with tax cuts. congress can get us out of the recession(they caused) the same way. but they would rather try to spend their way out of it,

Bubba sullied the office,W brought dignity back to it.

three attacks during bubba's term killed americans, (uss cole, kobar torwers, 1st bombing of the wtc)

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2009, 02:23:13 AM »
I think W has done a decent job. Some decisions he has made, some might not think them the best. I believe some of the things that Obama wants to do won't work out at all. Hopefully he can prove me wrong, but we'll see. Overall, Bush has done a better job than I could of.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2009, 05:21:00 AM »

The good news for you and others with your beliefs is...in a few days W will be back in Texas and your choice for President will be in control along with a huge majority in both the House and Senate.  Not a Republican in sight to blame anything on so whatever happens in the next two years your guys/gals can take all of the credit for.  They have had a large majority in both the House and Senate the last few years but somehow have not been able to promote their agenda but now with the White House also, there is nothing that can stand in their way.


Republicans will still get the blame, even while they dont have control.  The Dems will say everything that is bad was inherited from the years Bush was in office.

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2009, 05:40:14 AM »

Republicans will still get the blame, even while they dont have control.  The Dems will say everything that is bad was inherited from the years Bush was in office.
Which is EXACTLY what the Reps have been crying for 8 years. Boohoo they inherited a (imaginary) recession, boohoo they inherited a tarnished oval office, boohoo they inherited gridlock in Congress. Poor damn babies. Nevermind  that they had control of the Whitehouse and Congress both for the first 6 years. Whatever the Dems do, they sure as hell learned it from the Reps.

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2009, 06:52:18 AM »
written by Michael Kinsley, December 31, 2008

"We will reopen Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House." the 2000 Republican platform

But they never did. Eight years later, the barricades remain. It was a phony issue, of course just another stick with which to beat Bill Clinton, who closed the road at the insistence of the Secret Service. In an interview with PBS a month after Sept. 11, 2001, Vice President Dick Cheney stated the obvious: "Pennsylvania Avenue ought to stay closed because, as a fact, if somebody were to detonate a truck bomb in front of the White House, it would probably level the White House, and that is unacceptable."

Sept. 11 is the excuse for many of the Bush Administration's failures and disappointments. It is also the basis for the one great claim made on George W. Bush's behalf: At least he has protected us from terrorism. In the seven years since that day, there has not been another foreign-terrorist attack on the American homeland. The trouble is that there were no foreign-terrorist attacks on the American homeland in the seven years before 9/11 either. The risk of another terrorist attack didn't increase on 9/11 only our awareness of the risk. The Bush Administration took office mocking the concern that someone might blow up the White House but soon enough was echoing that concern.

The platform on which Bush entered the presidency eight years ago comes from a lost world, in which even the party out of power saw an America of unthreatened prosperity and security. "Yesterday's wildest dreams are today's realities, and there is no limit on the promise of tomorrow," the GOP said. The biggest foreign policy challenge America faced in 2000, according to this party document, was to avoid misusing our enormous power. "Earlier generations defended America through great trials," the platform declared. Then it quoted the Republican nominee, Bush, on the importance of showing the "modesty of true strength. The humility of real greatness." Even enthusiasts of Bush's foreign policy would not describe it as displaying the humility of true greatness. More like the pugnacity of lost greatness. All that talk of one superpower us bestriding a "unipolar" world seems as dated as Seinfeld reruns.

The measure of Bush's failure as President is not his broken promises or unmet goals. All politicians break their promises, and none achieve the goals of their soaring rhetoric. But Bush stands out for abandoning the promises and goals that got him elected, taking up the opposite ones and then failing to keep or meet those.

In 2000 Bush excoriated his predecessor for launching wars without an "exit strategy." In 2008 he leaves his successor a war that has already lasted for years longer than America's involvement in World War II, with no exit in sight. Bush got elected warning against using U.S. troops for "nation-building" meaning any goal beyond immediate military necessity. Then once in office, he promised to bring democracy to the entire Middle East and ended up destroying Iraq as a nation in the name of saving it.

Bush leaves the stage still justifying his Iraq disaster on the grounds that prewar intelligence showed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. He acknowledges that this intelligence was wrong but maintains he relied on it in good faith. Who cares? What matters is whether there were WMD, not how sincerely he believed there were. WMD were how he justified the war. How do you explain to families of the war dead why a war must go on for years after even the man who started it thinks starting it was based on a mistake?

The current economic calamity was a bolt from the blue to many who should have known better, but only one of them had been in charge for the previous eight years. Only one spent much of that time bragging about how swell everything was, thanks to him. Many shared the heedless assumption that there was no limit on how much government or individuals could borrow, but only one turned record surpluses into record deficits. And only one lectured us, Reagan-style, about burdensome government and then, almost casually, expanded government's role in the economy more than any President since F.D.R.: taking over banks and bailing out the auto companies.

O.K., but didn't he do anything right? Well, he came up with serious money to treat AIDS and malaria in Africa. He used the bully pulpit to embrace Muslims in the great post-9/11 American bear hug, when there was real danger of the opposite reaction. And you could say that Bush's disastrous presidency vindicates democracy.

Let's not forget that, in 2000, more people voted for the other guy.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1869213,00.html

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2009, 01:35:25 PM »
Which is EXACTLY what the Reps have been crying for 8 years. Boohoo they inherited a (imaginary) recession, boohoo they inherited a tarnished oval office, boohoo they inherited gridlock in Congress. Poor damn babies. Nevermind  that they had control of the Whitehouse and Congress both for the first 6 years. Whatever the Dems do, they sure as hell learned it from the Reps.

There is no doubt they can argue that they inherited a bad economy and that Bush will be blamed for that even though B. Frank and H. Reid played big roles in the banking problems...I always have said that the President doesn't have as much to do with the economy as many say but they always get the blame or credit for the economy...this time will be no different.
 
It will be hard to talk about gridlock, Dem's own the city.  A friend that lobbys in D.C. told me the other day that other than stopping by to say "hi" to a few friends, he doesn't have any Republicans on his list to visit this year, they have no power so why spend the time...that is as much proof as anything...when a lobbyist writes you off...LOL.
 
I have said since the Republicans lost control of the House and Senate that they deserved to.  They didn't do what they were sent to DC to do and they did need to go.  Now, it is the Dem's turn to see if they can produce.  If they do as our open minded buddy oldcowpoke suggests and do it like the Republicans and place blame somewhere else all the time, they will be short lived too and it will swing back.  I didn't believe in the blame game for the R's and it won't be accepted from the Dem's either by most people.
 
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2009, 04:39:07 PM »
micheal kinsley LOL LOL. and the last line of your post cowpoke, is why the dems hate W. They can't believe he beat gore AND was reelected. that has been the reason for the hate and bashing of W for 8 yrs. W did far more than the dems want to concede,they just hate to admit he wasn't as bad as they say.
 there was a recession when W took office, and he got us out of it.

It made perfect sense to keep penn. ave. closed after 9/11. will nobama open it?

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2009, 05:57:46 PM »
The reason people hate Bush is because he is a loudmouth braggart who did not do the job he was elected to do. He did not "beat" Gore. Kinsleys last line said that "more people voted for the other guy", and that, sir, is a FACT. Bush was awarded the win by scotus.

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2009, 06:24:51 PM »
hmmmmmmm...popular vote does not elect our President.  There is a thing called the Electoral College that we use and since we use it....yes he did beat Vice President Gore and then he beat Sen. Kerry.  That same process is what elected President-Elect Obama, not the popular vote.

As far as Kinsley talking about Republicans, that is like asking Rush about Democrats.

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2009, 06:27:44 PM »
you're right dave,except rush is right! LOL LOL


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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2009, 07:01:34 PM »
you're right dave,except rush is right! LOL LOL
And so is Kinsley. You cant bear to think about it but Kinsley is very right.

Electoral college notwithstanding (yes I understand how elections and government works, Dave. I am at least as educated as you), Gore got more votes. That is all Kinsley said. He said more people voted for the other guy. Period.

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2009, 07:48:09 PM »
Since popular vote does not elect the president, then it must be the electoral college does?  What a concept!!!  So you are saying Bush was a minority elected president.  Is that correct?  What would you be saying if all the sudden Obama was not the pres-elect?  You would be screaming racism.  That is a fact also.  But since Bush defeated two democratic (read also in THEIR case: useless) you cannot use that term.  So, you accuse him of stealing the election....Much like someone else I know of who used Acorn to garner bought votes.

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2009, 09:16:16 PM »
And so is Kinsley. You cant bear to think about it but Kinsley is very right.

Electoral college notwithstanding (yes I understand how elections and government works, Dave. I am at least as educated as you), Gore got more votes. That is all Kinsley said. He said more people voted for the other guy. Period.

In no way was I questioning your education or intellect, I simply was under the impression you may have thought the President was elected by the popular vote by reading your statement, my mistake.  I hope you will forgive my ignorance.
 
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2009, 09:22:30 PM »
My god you people assume a lot. What fact are you talking about matrsnot? That i would be screaming racism? That is not a fact and it is a very presumptuous assumption too. None of you can change the fact that bush did not win the popular vote in 2000. That is what is stated and that is all that is stated. What COULD also be stated is that he ran crying to the lawyers, just like a certain former sheriff of this county. And 2000 was not an anomaly. Two other democrats lost the presidential election while winning the popular vote. Hayes and Harrison. So enough with all your assumptions. You keep spouting all the same old dialogue and you think your opponents are all alike. Well wake up. I am not winston, and I am not anybody else that you might compare me to.

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2009, 11:50:26 PM »
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.  It seems that anybody not liking Obama is labeled a racist and I should not have assumed you would go that way.  The premise is the same though.  Bush was not the first nor will he be the last president to get in office when not obtaining the popular vote and collecting the electoral votes necessary to become president.  Also remember in this current election, many votes were not counted in a few states due to democrat "rules".  This pre-empted many votes that would have made the difference in who ran.  The DNC just did not believe a woman could win, so the fix went in.  I also feel even McCain could have beat her.

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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2009, 01:56:07 AM »
Bush's accomplishments.

Any list that needs THAT much spin instead of a list with numbers is dubious, at best.
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2009, 04:00:38 AM »
 kinsley is left,not right. but rush is always right. LOL LOL

can't stand the facts winston? many have been listed many times, the main achievement? W kept us safe since 9/11. he did the job he was elected to do. I hope nobama will do the same.