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who will really be in incharge
« on: January 17, 2009, 09:50:04 PM »

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Speaker Pelosi: ready to battle Obama
 
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has initiated a series of moves aimed to tighten her grip on Congress. In the process, she’s agitated the President-elect, her colleagues, and of course, House Republicans.

She’s making clear that as popular as Barack Obama remains (83% approval rating); she could care less about Congress’s dismal approval rating (20%). She will rule with an iron fist, so it appears.
Her first step was to silence House Republicans.
She ended six-year term limits for Committee chairs and further restrict the opportunity for all members to offer alternative legislation.
House Republicans were furious.
In a letter to the Speaker, several Republican Congressional leaders wrote “changing the House rules in the manner highlighted by recent media reports would have the opposite effect: further breaching the trust between our nation’s elected representatives, and the men and women who send them to Washington to serve their interests and protect their freedom.”
Then, as congressional Democrats take the lead in responding to the sinking economy, Pelosi’s own subcommittee and even some full-committee chairmen — who normally wield significant influence in writing legislation — have been forced to wait on the sidelines as monumental bills are written in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office.
Many frustrated Democrats, while sensitive to the need to enact these bills quickly, feel like they’ve been frozen out of the process.
“I and others have brought this up in caucus meetings,” said Rep. Alcee Hastings (Fla.), the third-ranking Democrat on the Rules Committee.
Finally, the President-elect is feeling the heat from the Speaker who’s demanding that Obama make good on his promise to tax the wealthy as part of his emergency stimulus plan.
He’s indicated that he wants the opposite – Obama wants to postpone the tax increases, and instead pass tax decreases, $350 billion worth. He tried to scare Congress into acting quickly but there’s still no measure to act on.
Madame Speaker is playing political hardball.
While the President-elect is dining with conservative journalists in a spirit of non-partisanship, Speaker Pelosi is doing her best to thicken the partisan battle lines.
For now, while the Republican Party remains in disarray, President-elect Obama will find his chief adversaries are in his own party.  With the House Speaker a primary obstacle to any meaningful change in Washington.
 
http://www.examiner.com/x-431-SF-Politics-Examiner~y2009m1d16-Speaker-Pelosi-ready-to-battle-Obama
 
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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 10:54:51 PM »
I sat in meeting/meal a few years ago that several of the past MO Speaker of the House members were at.  I will never forget past Speaker Bob Griffin (D) saying that the worst thing he ever had to deal with as the Democrat Speaker was when a Democrat Governor was elected.  He talked about how hard it was to keep the majority party together and working in the same direction.  The same thing is true in DC with the House Speaker and President being the same party.

The Speaker has to worry about the Governor/President taking control of their House if they are the same party because the Gov/Pres will had out "goodies" to the House members for favors...when they are not the same party "goodies" are seldom handed out, if ever.  The Gov/Pres can go around the Speaker much easier in the House and if they get enough power there, the Speaker has no power in dealing with the higher office.

A funny and fun political thing to watch, we just finished that experience in MO with our party, (although it was not that much of an issue because of who was involved).  Before someone starts thinking I am talking bad about Pres. Elect Obama or Speaker Polosi, this is true in most state governments (those set up like ours) and in DC and is true of both parties.  Happens almost every time and is MUCH more of a war than between parties, you just seldom see much of it.

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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 11:05:33 PM »
Perhaps she will be successful in destroying her own party from within.  With such a low approval rating for the Congress, I think she will.  that should be enjoyable to watch.  Blocking out the Republicans so as to make them nonexistent is politics in the democratic party.   Blocking out her own party is something else again.  Waiting to see what these "monumental" bills will consist of.

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 11:13:36 PM »
For the most part it happened with the last Republican Congress and lack of leadership in the last Republican Senate...and yea very well could again.  If this Democrat Congress wanted to improve their numbers all they would have to do is elect a moderate Democrat as Speaker, someone LIKE a Liberman.  Go ahead with their liberal agenda (no I don't like that) and use the moderate as the spokesperson.  People would relate to that better and the liberals would for the most part get what they want with less of a fight.

My opinion is, most of American is not ultra liberal or ultra conservative, more in the middle.  However the Democrats have some of their most liberal in power, not a reflection of America but what the money part of the party wants, the NE part of the party.  That is their choice and I am not knocking them for it...they are in power and have the right to do whatever, I just think they could accomplish more with less of a fight if someone other than Speaker Polosi were at the mic each day.  Guess if I am right I should hope they are not reading this.

JMO...not looking for some argument...too tired for that.

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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 11:17:19 PM »
Me either Dave.  Just putting thoughts out there.  Can the House have a new election for Speaker without her consent?

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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 11:20:49 PM »
My understand (not positive of this) is the U.S. House and ours is set up the same (we are modeled after them).  We can call a caucus meeting anytime with or without the Speaker and yes, we can remove/change leadership anytime we want.  Of course you would count the votes and give them a chance to step down first (for personal reasons) but yes new Speakers, Speaker Pro-Tems, Whips, etc... can be changed whenever a majority of the caucus wants it changed.  Simple matter of an election in the caucus.

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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 11:30:28 PM »

at least the Representatives do have a choice then.  That is a good thing.

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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 12:17:39 AM »
Me either Dave.  Just putting thoughts out there.  Can the House have a new election for Speaker without her consent?

I think Matrsnot and Rep. Day may be misunderstanding each other.
 
Technically, the Speaker of the House at the federal level and in most states is elected by the full House of Representatives, not just the majority party. That's not the same as the majority leader, majority whip, minority leader, minority whip, and other party-specific offices, which are elected by rather than just nominated by their party's caucus.
 
Now in the real world, whoever the majority party caucus nominates is elected Speaker of the House -- most of the time. So the vote in the majority caucus is what really counts, not the rubber-stamp vote in the full House. Even if a member of the majority votes the other way in protest, it usually makes no difference. Too many things are at stake, such as control of committee chairmanships and the legislative agenda, for a serious groundswell of opposition within the majority party to arise and have the minority candidate win the speakership.
 
But there have been rare exceptions. One of them happened a few years ago in California when the majority switched in the lower house, which was then divided by only a single vote, and the Speaker from the previous year managed to get a member of the majority party to switch sides and vote to keep him in office instead of a candidate from the majority party. I don't remember what happened after that, but I'm sure things went REALLY badly for that member in the majority caucus, tempered by the knowledge that the person could switch parties and throw control back to the other side.
 
So yes, theoretically the House of Representatives could vote to get rid of Speaker Pelosi if enough Democrats got angry enough to unite with the Republicans to throw her out. But in the real world, that will never happen today with the House being so strongly under Democratic control. Even years ago, the old "Yellow Dog Democrat" Southerners who often crossed party lines to vote for Republican issues in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s faithfully voted for very liberal Northern Democratic Speakers they strongly disliked, such as Tip O'Neill, because conservative Southern Democrats would then be given chairmanships of important committees by the Speaker to keep them somewhat under control.
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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 12:23:49 AM »
Thanks for the clarification Darrell.  Just seems to me the wicked witch of the west is way too far to the left and will cause more problems than she will solve.

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Re: who will really be in incharge
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 12:27:47 AM »
Darrell is correct...I was just dealing with the real world.  Yes, the whole House elects the Speaker but it is the majority party that REALLY elects the Speaker.  Once the race is over within the party, they unite and keep control of the House by supporting the winner of the caucus election.  An overthrow won't happen unless it is within the majority party itself, (although the threat of it comes up now and then) because the members of the majority party eventually remember that if they split like that...the minority party will win.
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