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Title: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on January 04, 2008, 08:08:12 PM
I haven't seen any articles or threads on here since Debra Hopper took office last year and was curious as to how she has been doing as our new Prosecuting Attorney.  I was hoping that no news is good news, because we need some good things to talk about when it comes to our County Government.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 04, 2008, 08:24:29 PM
How log until the next election.   Maybe we can get a good PA for a change
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: soso on January 04, 2008, 08:35:37 PM
ooops  that don't sound good...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on January 04, 2008, 09:39:13 PM
Don't write any bad checks.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on January 04, 2008, 09:41:55 PM
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How log until the next election.   Maybe we can get a good PA for a change
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Not until 2010.  I think she was elected in 2006 for four years and she took office Jan 07.  So, it sounds like your not pleased with her. Does anyone else have anything to share concerning the PA.  Reason I asked is before she took office the old PA was in the paper all the time for this or that and I just haven't seen any of that since she took over last year.  I was hoping that meant she had been doing a better job!
 
Don't write any bad checks.

So is she death of bad checks?  Well, I guess she should be, because a lot of folks seem to write them around here.

 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: LadyofLaquey on January 04, 2008, 11:16:36 PM
Are you asking about the "non procescutor"?  What do the people of this County expect when they voted for a Family Law Attorney rather than one who has experience in Crimimnal Law.  Too many people will vote for a "local" rather than for the candidate who is better qualified. 

I have read a lot of post on this site from people who have retired to this area.  They have made this their home now and have the best interests of the County in their hearts, but because they are not born and raised here or able to trace their roots back for 2 to 3 generations, they get nowhere when it comes to running for office.  So we continue to have nothing but the "good ol' boy" mentality going on. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 05, 2008, 12:31:38 AM
I thought the PA was a military transplant and got voted in by all the military because she was an ex-JAG officier.  It was the good ol military mentality.

I agree we needed someone with criminal experience and there was such a candidate but there was a big issue about residency even though he was willing to move. Our loss for another 4 years.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: OLDigahmah on January 05, 2008, 02:18:10 AM
I thought she had criminal experience in JAG as a prosecutor.  I remember going to a Ministerial Alliance meeting where she and the other person running (I have forgotten his name) both spoke to the alliance.  She talked like she would be very tough on criminals and would get the cases prosecuted instead of letting them set for a long time.  Not having any experience with the courts I don't know how she is doing, but that was her promise.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: paloha2 on January 05, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
talking about voting....remember Feb 5th and come out and VOTE!!!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ShowmeHillbilly on January 05, 2008, 01:25:47 PM
I have seen her in court. (my sons accident she is prosecuting, and my brother and his girlfriend got into it and they hit each other but she got the worst of it and she prosecuted him) I cant say either way?
I believe she is doing her job in some sense of the word. But as far as trying to speak with her, her returning calls, trying to get info on a situation your involved in she isnt too great at. I am sure its because she is so busy. Not sure?
I do know she was doing family law and worked at Jag. I have heard she is better than the last person we had. But I would rather have someone with criminal experience be in there because its criminal acts that she is prosecuting.
I guess I watch to much law and order. Stuff dont work like that in real life.
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on January 05, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Ask a deputy for an opinion.....or any police officer in the county for that matter.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: crazy horse on January 06, 2008, 08:06:45 PM
Many of our government officials are not from here. Both recent sheriff's are not. The county clerk is not. The PA is not.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: LadyofLaquey on January 07, 2008, 02:14:56 AM
Guess I was talking without knowing.  I just moved here and don't know much except what I have been hearing.  I still don't think she is all that good from what I been hearing.  You all need tougher laws like Texas.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on January 07, 2008, 03:10:27 PM
I've had zero contact with the PA and was just curious as to what other's thought about her performance on the job.  I guess it's not really as good as I had hoped for. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on January 09, 2008, 03:02:04 PM
Speaking as one with more experience with her than I want, I think she is up to the task.  As many of you may recall, I am involved with last years arsons.  Ms. Hooper is prosecuting the culprit to the fullest extent of the law.  My dealings with her make me think she is more than qualifed for the task.  I think the commissioners and she have some budget beefs, but what else is new.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Inside Out on January 09, 2008, 03:38:52 PM
Well I know she is doing a fine job on the cases i'm involved in. Just hope I don't die of old age before it's done and over with but thats not the current PA's fault.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on January 09, 2008, 05:23:52 PM
That's good to hear, thanks for your input.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 11, 2008, 07:10:45 PM
You want to know how is she doing just look at the front page of the DG the case filings are way down and the only thing that has changed since last year is the new PA.   If you do nothing it easy to stay under the radar.  Mybe its time for an AT WILL firing.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: meforme on January 15, 2008, 02:09:04 AM
Maybe the cases filings are down, cause the police and deputies are too busy, patrolling to keep crime down.  After all Meth labs are decreased.  I think they call that the trickle down effect.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on January 15, 2008, 04:31:53 AM
I'm told there is an interesting story in the DG tomorrow.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on January 15, 2008, 06:12:26 PM
I think anytime a new PA takes office the initial year is spent just trying to figure out the logistics of the office.  It'll go back up.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 15, 2008, 07:40:04 PM
I think if you had read last weeks article you would find you statement is not supported by facts.  Even the part time PA ,new on the job, was doing double.  truth is she can't cut it  she needs to go.  When you see her in church pass it on.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: County Resident on January 15, 2008, 10:14:50 PM
If you walk a few miles in her shoes, you'll see that she's in the office at 6:00 a.m. and there until 8:00 p.m. or later working, and works 7 days a week.  Attorney Hooper has lots of cases that were from the last administration that she's prosecuting.  Attorney Hooper is in court almost every day prosecuting cases, and as she is very THOROUGH in her job; she does not go home until she is ready for court the next day.   She could just dismiss a lot of cases and be on her way home; however, because she wants to give the citizens of Pulaski County (including active and retired military) a better community to live in, she's working extremely hard to get all of the "good ole' boy" criminals (who have been walking the streets for years getting by with committing one crime after another) off the streets!  She recently sent someone to prison for 5 years for shoplifting at Wal-mart.  Isn't that what this community wants?  A safer place to live?  She's a very tough attorney and just want Pulaski County needs!  She doesn't cut deals just to get rid of a case, and she just won't file a case just because it will bring in revenue.  Attorney Hooper is all about what's right and just.  She's determined to ensure that the interests of Pulaski County are served.  When you're new on the job, are you expected to know everything when you start?  Of course not!  Give her the same courtesy.  When she started, she had to organize the office (which was a disaster), hire staff, and try to figure out what was going on, besides jump right in and prosecute cases she didn't know anything about.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on January 15, 2008, 10:19:57 PM
She recently sent someone to prison for 5 years for shoplifting at Wal-mart.  Isn't that what this community wants?  A safer place to live? 

I don't really need to be safe from shoplifters...Good Lord...what did the person shoplift???  Now we pay for them to go to prison for 5 years?  No.  JMO, but I don't think that's exactly what the community wants.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: County Resident on January 15, 2008, 10:41:11 PM
Do you know what the background of that person was?  Maybe that person had a history of shoplifting and stealing and gotten away with it time and time again.  Don't you know that everytime someone shoplifts from a business it costs money?  And guess what?  It is passed on to YOU -- the consumer.  Don't you know that if someone gets buy with a small crime, they gradually work up to bigger and bigger crimes?  Don't you know that if that person had gotten away with that crime, maybe the next thing would be armed robbery or even murder.  It could have been one of your loved ones.  You know, I was taught that as Christians we are to love one another, and be tender-hearted towards each other.  So I would say to all Christians, "He that is without sing among you, let him first cast a stone at her".  How about being more supportive of her, encouraging her, and praying for her rather than persecuting her.  How about telling her when you see her "in church":  "Hey, Sister, I appreciate all you do, and I'm praying for you."
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on January 15, 2008, 11:52:34 PM
How about if she quits blaming everyone except herself?  Previous PA's I can accept.  Quit blaming the police because she doesn't have her ducks in a row. It is her job to get those results back form the lab, not the police.  They did their investigation.  They turned it over to her.  In the paper, she attempted to shift all responsibility to others and used excuses I heard while in the military.  Sure it is human nature to do some of this, but not blame it all on everyone else except the person having ultimate responsiblity
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on January 15, 2008, 11:55:57 PM
PS.  I thoroughly enjoyed her rant at Ransdall though.  Shows gumption on her part and makes him look like a real weasel.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: fish on January 16, 2008, 12:56:49 AM
she called me one time at 7 pm to testify in a court case. she wanted to make an example of a deadbeat dad.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Seaside on January 16, 2008, 01:59:56 AM
Oh Please!!!!!  Every prosecutor that comes in has to deal with the cases that the previous prosecutor dealt with.  "Attorney Hooper is in court almost every day prosecuting cases, and as she is very THOROUGH in her job; she does not go home until she is ready for court the next day. " You sure couldn't have proven this to me by what happened on the 9th.  She was so unprepared the Judge walked off in disgust.  >:( My attorney said that the Judge called all the attorneys in her office and chewed them out for not being prepared and when they walked out Hooper just laughed.  If you go on casenet and start putting in case numbers starting with 1 you will find that there are a lot of criminal numbers that don't show up.  I've been told that this is because they have been moved to the "closed division" for one reason or another, so apparently Hooper is dismissing a lot of cases.  Her not filing cases just to bring in revenue, as was put, is going to cost this county a lot.  People are going to start losing their jobs because the revenue has taken a drastic drop.  Hooper needs to get off her butt and start doing her job or she needs to step down and let someone in who knows how to get the job done.   
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 16, 2008, 05:29:16 PM
Wait till you see today's DG the PA put herself in for a raise which she said is state law.  Well everyone remembers the pay raise that the elected officials voted last December.   Do you also remember that none of them will get the raise during their term in office.   In other words you vote a raise for your replacement.   Well it seems the PA thinks it owed her and in spite of a letter from the laywer for counties shes says the county will pay.   Now this is your elected great legal mind at work that doesn't even understand state statues. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 16, 2008, 05:32:34 PM
Working long hours does not mean hard work it generally  means disorganization
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on January 16, 2008, 06:27:04 PM
Here's the most recent article in the DG about this subject. 

Prosecutor responds to commission critics

Published: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:19 PM CST
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Darrell Todd Maurina

A visibly angry county prosecutor told county commissioners Monday morning that she wasn’t happy to learn Sunday morning at church that the commissioners had criticized her handling of cases at Thursday’s meeting.

“You guys got to assassinate me all over the place,” said Pulaski County Prosecutor Deborah Hooper. “When I took office I said I would aggressively prosecute cases. I am doing that … I work on Saturdays and I come in on Sunday afternoons and I believe I owe it to our community to keep us safe.”

 
Hooper said she wasn’t happy that Presiding Commissioner Bill Ransdall objected to her work at a commission meeting to which she had not been invited.

“I don’t read the Daily Guide and I didn’t get the due process of you telling me you would ask these questions,” Hooper.

Ransdall had questioned why Hooper filed only a total of 977 criminal cases in 2007, of which 191 cases were changes-of-venue from other counties that don’t generate court fee revenues for Pulaski County. According to Circuit Clerk Rachelle Beasley, the former prosecuting attorney, Laura Kriebs, filed 1,709 cases in 2006, 1,522 cases in 2005, 1,516 cases in 2004, and 1,496 cases in 2003. Before the office became full-time in 2003, part-time prosecutor Michael Headrick filed 1,823 cases in 2002, 2,070 cases in 2001, and 2,459 cases in 2000, Beasley said.

 
 
Hooper said it’s not fair to judge her performance by the number of cases filed.

“My job is not to give you numbers, my job is to prosecute cases. You need to know that first and foremost,” Hooper said. “These are all bad check cases that were filed by my predecessors, and I would say they were filed to keep the numbers high.”

Hooper warned commissioners that the practices of her predecessors could cause a lawsuit against Pulaski County if she filed charges that led to people being arrested and thrown into jail and those charges didn’t meet legally required standards of probable cause.

 
 
Hooper told Ransdall that her predecessor as prosecuting attorney left her cases in such bad condition that many were unprosecutable and others took hours to clean up. In some cases, defense attorneys had filed court motions requiring “discovery” of the evidence against their clients that weren’t being followed.

“We had literally hundreds of requests for discovery that weren’t put in case files and were in piles of junk,” Hooper said. “I had volunteers come into my office and my employees working on weekends and trying to get through all of the discoveries.”

Hooper held up the file on a single drunk driving case which she said required nearly 20 hours of staff time for 15 minutes in court.

 
 
“There’s a lot more to prosecuting a case than just filing it,” Hooper said.

Faster warning letters to people who write bad checks have also helped cut the number of cases that have to be taken to court, Hooper said.

“The difference is when the auditors came in they said there was a mess in there and I had to wade through that mess,” Hooper said. “If you are a good businessperson, and I know you are, Bill, the earlier you send out the bill the sooner you get your money. The later you send out the bill, the chance you won’t get paid increases exponentially.”

 
 
Hiring a part-time clerk to handle bad checks helped, Hooper said, but that person, Rosalie Butterfield, wasn’t hired until March.

“The first thing we instituted was to get the dang letters out as soon as possible,” Hooper said.

Ransdall asked Hooper how much money she collected from bad checks in 2007; Hooper said her office took in about $185,000 in 2007, compared to Kriebs’ record of about $196,000 the previous year.

 
 
Other problems, Hooper said, included poor police work on cases, poor reports, and poor documentation by some business owners.

“If you can’t identify the person who wrote the check, you can’t prosecute the case,” Hooper said. “I had the misfortune of the defense hitting me on this all the time because they had cases filed all the time that they couldn’t identify who wrote them.”

About 300 cases were reviewed by Hooper’s office and she made a decision not to prosecute them, she said.

 
 
“We need to look at the cases and see if they’re prosecutable. If they’re prosecutable, we prosecute,” Hooper said.

Reports submitted by state troopers are usually well-written and give her what she needs to prosecute, Hooper said, but that’s not always the case with local law enforcement agencies. There are also problems, she said, getting state lab results back on drug cases, though sometimes the fault isn’t with the state lab but rather local police who have lost the lab results.

“I came back from court and said, ‘This is freaking ridiculous that we haven’t got the lab work back in two years.’ So I got on the phone with the highway patrol and found the lab work had been sent to the agency long ago,” Hooper said. “You can’t prosecute if you don’t get the evidence and the evidence isn’t being provided by law enforcement.”

 
 
Hooper had also been criticized Thursday for failing to file some traffic tickets until the end of 2007. There’s an easy explanation for that, she said — sometimes people pay traffic tickets that her office decided not to file for lack of evidence, or for tickets that weren’t filed because the person had also been arrested on a more serious charge.

“Sometimes these guys will be kind enough to send in their money anyway,” Hooper said. “My policy is if they send in their money, they’ve admitted their guilt and waived any statute of limitations or probable cause issues.”

Only about 80 such cases were found, Hooper said.

 
 
“That’s not a large amount,” she said.

Ransdall told Hooper that he wasn’t trying to attack her, but said the total number of cases filed affects many other items in the county budget.

“It appears to me that you are either saying that your criteria for filing a case is higher than your predecessor or law enforcement is not providing what you need to file a case,” Ransdall said.

Hooper agreed, but said a third factor is that new state laws controlling access to the ingredients of methamphetamine have causes a dramatic drop in the number of meth cases being filed. When cases are filed, a lab report is crucial, she said.

“I can’t get past a preliminary (court hearing) without a lab report,” Hooper said. “We’re trying cases a lot faster than they used to file cases, and I can’t file if I don’t have a lab report.”

Commissioner Bill Farnham didn’t like that answer and asked why the field tests used by police to detect drugs weren’t enough to file a charge

“You can’t use the field tests they have?” Farnham asked.

“The field test is acceptable for probable cause, but it’s not enough to take the case to court,” Hooper said. “There is case law from the supreme court that says you can’t use that.”

“We weren’t out to prosecute you,” Ransdall said.

“Well, it certainly felt like it,” Hooper replied.

Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 16, 2008, 07:56:14 PM
That's the most recent "on line" article but there is another in today's hard copy available at news stands in you local community.  It will be on line tonight.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: john q public on January 16, 2008, 08:54:53 PM
Cowboy was talking about pay raises in the middle of terms.  The recent Pulaski county audit found that two county officials received a pay raise effective Jan 2007. It was against state law and auditors told the county to ask for the amount of the raise to be paid back to the county.  I wonder if the money has been returned....money is tight in the court house.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 16, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
It was a total of $1334 for both and I would guess is was all paid back in 2007
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: jsb66763 on January 17, 2008, 06:08:11 AM
I will not slam the PA because I think she wants to do a good job.  I will say she is very disorganized, from my experience in dealing with her.  I applaud her for the extra hours worked but also believe she should spread the work load to her assistant. 
I will say I am livid about the report comment in the paper.  I have been in law enforcement for over ten years, at least full-time.  I take great pride in my report writing abilities and quality of investigations.  That being said, I have worked with four different PAs and have obtained numerous charges and convictions for serious offenses. Some of the PAs have tried numerous murder trials. 
I believe the PAs job is difficult, at best, but there are many cases that have been dismissed that are waiting to be refiled [some for a year].  There are cases that are waiting for criminal charges that are serious felonies, some for as long as five months.  I believe it is a slap in the face to a crime victim to have their case not filed on without a reasonable explanation.
If crime victims, law enforcement, and the public, in general, would be more involved in the criminal justice system, the bugs could be worked out, maybe.  I don't know how many times a report has been taken from a victim and no follow ups are made to be sure an investigation is still active.  New information is not relayed to the investigators, prosecution, etc...
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: meforme on January 17, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
Well I must say I was livid too.  I was a clerk that got some of that discovery last year.  Some of these so called  law enforcement should just carry a tape recorder,cause they couldn't write a report to save anything. Prosecutors got to have evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt". 
 
About the raise, I believe the Auditor pointed Ms. Hooper's salary was suppose to be increased LAST YEAR, but Mr. Ransdall said THE BUDGET WAS ALREADY DONE, so we'll see next year.  It's next year, I bet Bill and the commissioners got their set raise and increased mileage.  Shackleford got a raise that wasn't even on the books.
 
You go D Hooper.  I voted for you the last time and I will vote for you the next time.
 @
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on January 17, 2008, 02:34:39 PM
You can bet La Commissione got their raise.  Pretty good for part time work.  For the 3 of them over $92K.  But then, they can justify it too.  Right?  Just like Hooper can I am sure.  She makes more than all three of the part timers put together.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 17, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
  Well everyone remembers the pay raise that the elected officials voted last December.   Do you also remember that none of them will get the raise during their term in office.   In other words you vote a raise for your replacement.  
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: jsb66763 on January 17, 2008, 03:41:17 PM
meforme, I will agree that there are officers that need some extreme remedial report writing classes.  However, when she first took office, she did some things that made me go hmmm.  But being the fair person I am, I said give her a chance.  Now, I have had a chance to evaluate her work history and think she has done a mediocre job.  Will it get better, I can only hope so.  At this point, I wouldn't vote for her again if Satan was her opposition.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on January 17, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
Having worked for the PA of a much larger city I really think all officers could use some report writing skills. LOL Even in a big city.

"Ain't" should NEVER be used in a police report, nor should any double negative.

I understand that most people write how they talk but those reports should be much better written. JMO

I have nothing against LEO in this county, trust me, I would just like to see some English or grammar workshops for them in addition to all the training they are receiving. *wink*
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: eli on January 17, 2008, 06:19:21 PM
meforme, I will agree that there are officers that need some extreme remedial report writing classes.  However, when she first took office, she did some things that made me go hmmm.  But being the fair person I am, I said give her a chance.  Now, I have had a chance to evaluate her work history and think she has done a mediocre job.  Will it get better, I can only hope so.  At this point, I wouldn't vote for her again if Satan was her opposition.
I believe satan held that job once didn't he?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on January 17, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
From the sound of it, it looks like she isn't filing many cases.  I don't understand how that makes the County Government money, but I guess it must be tied to the court costs charged to each case.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 17, 2008, 08:26:04 PM
Also if someone is found guilty and sent to the DOC its $21.50 per day for time served in pulaski jail,
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on January 18, 2008, 06:49:55 PM
Also if you read today's DG you"ll find that with all the counties financial problems there is also about $9000 that must be refunded this year because of our brilliant PA didn't file the cases.  Will this womans good work ever end ? Maybe she needs to work 8 days a week.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Margarita on March 11, 2008, 06:45:27 PM
Has anyone heard rumors about Hooper not being  the prosecutor anymore?  I have heard this from several people lately, and was wondering if there is any truth to it.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 11, 2008, 07:43:17 PM
It sounds like a good idea we need someone that can do something instead of make excuses. She should have filed about 250 cases by now to get back on track --  just wonder what the actual number is.?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on March 11, 2008, 08:10:53 PM
I just saw her in the court house today .
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on March 21, 2008, 03:08:06 AM
I was raised if you can't something good about something don't say anything at all so I will be quiet (until she's up for reelection). 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: OLDigahmah on March 22, 2008, 12:52:48 AM
Someone posted on another thread that she was out of town and Gifford was acting in her place.  Didn't say she was gone for good though.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on March 22, 2008, 05:19:39 PM
Gifford would be better, maybe she should stay gone for a few months.  I hope folks who read this threat remember that when paperwork doesn't get done in a PA's office, warrants get issued that sometimes shouldn't get issued usually for traffic tickets and the like.  Now you can give her the benefit of the doubt or anything else, but when your hauled in on a warrant that should not of been issued in the first place, you'll have a better understanding of how important that paperwork is.  And YOU are the one that has to prove it was a mistake because PA Hooper NEVER makes a mistake as you can tell from the DG.  And when you hear about her complaining because the LE folks aren't doing their reports correctly, etc, remember it's her who should be training them to the standards she needs in an effort to build a case.  Didn't mean to rant, but here is an example of someone getting elected based on political party, not competence.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on March 22, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
Sorry, first sentence should read thread not threat. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 23, 2008, 12:10:12 AM
Gifford would be better, maybe she should stay gone for a few months.  I hope folks who read this threat remember that when paperwork doesn't get done in a PA's office, warrants get issued that sometimes shouldn't get issued usually for traffic tickets and the like.  Now you can give her the benefit of the doubt or anything else, but when your hauled in on a warrant that should not of been issued in the first place, you'll have a better understanding of how important that paperwork is.  And YOU are the one that has to prove it was a mistake because PA Hooper NEVER makes a mistake as you can tell from the DG.  And when you hear about her complaining because the LE folks aren't doing their reports correctly, etc, remember it's her who should be training them to the standards she needs in an effort to build a case.  Didn't mean to rant, but here is an example of someone getting elected based on political party, not competence.

Bad thing is that folks that get arrested by the Sheriff's Dept. blame them and all they do is enforce the warrant as ordered by the court.  Their hands are tied even if a person showed them the receipt they have to execute the warrant.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on March 23, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
Yankee I understand your point.  I'm not a LE officer, but I have a lot of respect for those that are.  Most are always professional, courteous (even to those that usually don't deserve it) and do their job to the best of their ability.  That's why I said in this public forum that PA Hooper needs to be training the officers on what her standards are to build a case. It has to be very frustrating to an officer to make an arrest, do the paperwork, then find out the PA won't file because she doesn't like how the paperwork reads.  Again, it's her responsbility, not the officer or the Sheriff's, to train LE folks on her standards.  Or, in your case, to have to arrest someone who has complied with the law, go through a cussing only to find out the PA's office didn't do their paperwork (and their answer is it wasn't important enough). 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 23, 2008, 08:44:45 PM
Someone posted on another thread that she was out of town and Gifford was acting in her place.  Didn't say she was gone for good though.


I agree we need to get Hooper out of there but I think this is blown out of proportion.  As I understand her and her lawyer type helpers left Wednesday night  for a conference at the lake and will be back Monday.  I'm not sure why two days at a conferace should make the paper and they way it was written it sounded like she would be gone or had been gone for a while.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on April 15, 2008, 05:57:48 PM
If you think we had trouble before wait till you see todays daily guide.   The PA got a mistrial on a slam dunk case because she lost evidence, did not tell the public defender of witnesses and the list goes on.   This is a TV show are you smarter then a 5th graders.   No the PA couldn't even make this.   Recall at the budget review she brought out these thick files on all that was required to do a case and her case work was low because she worked so hard and no one would give here good information.   What a crock.   Hooper has no idea what she it doing.   David Day needs to contact Jay Nixon and get this woman on the way out before she does any more damage.   We can not afford to have someone with so little capability in the PA job. Get  Hooper out of there now  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! &&*&^
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on April 15, 2008, 06:11:21 PM
I heard from the horses mouth that the only reason she wanted the job was to get medical insurance...which I don't understand because her husband is retired military and they should have tri-care.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on April 15, 2008, 07:15:53 PM
she was military also remember she was a big JAG lawyer
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on April 15, 2008, 08:20:48 PM
Yes, but I don't believe she retired, so she wouldn't have medical benefits through the military.

I saw the article, but haven't been able to read it yet.  Looks like I should do some reading this evening to see what's happening in Pulaski County.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: OLDigahmah on April 15, 2008, 09:33:48 PM
Do you know what the background of that person was?  Maybe that person had a history of shoplifting and stealing and gotten away with it time and time again.  Don't you know that everytime someone shoplifts from a business it costs money?  And guess what?  It is passed on to YOU -- the consumer.  Don't you know that if someone gets buy with a small crime, they gradually work up to bigger and bigger crimes?  Don't you know that if that person had gotten away with that crime, maybe the next thing would be armed robbery or even murder.  It could have been one of your loved ones.  You know, I was taught that as Christians we are to love one another, and be tender-hearted towards each other.  So I would say to all Christians, "He that is without sing among you, let him first cast a stone at her".  How about being more supportive of her, encouraging her, and praying for her rather than persecuting her.  How about telling her when you see her "in church":  "Hey, Sister, I appreciate all you do, and I'm praying for you."

this has nothing to do with sin or Christianity, it is all about incompetance which last time I read my Bible it wasn't a sin.  Maybe the people she hired need more training, but they are probably friends or friends of friends if she hired all new people.  I don't think getting a shoplifter from wal-mart is going to affect the "good old boys" around here at all.  Yes he should have been caught and punished but I wouldn't check that off as a big win for the prosecutor. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on April 15, 2008, 11:18:26 PM
Thanks for the input now what about what happened yesterday.  Most of the people that work for her where there when she came and are much smarter than she is.  They could do 1500 + cases a year and now with her its less than 1000 because she keeps loosing stuff.   Like the 88 tickets in her desk or the money the county had to pay back because she didn't file.   We're not talking about sin but pure lack of ability to handle the task at hand.   
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: jsb66763 on April 16, 2008, 01:57:11 AM
     I agree with you Cowboy.  As an insider, I have seen too many times when things happen and the blame game is played.  Do not misunderstand me! Mrs. Hooper genuinely cares about the community and has a difficult job.  I know many attorneys that would not take the cut in pay to do the job.
     It is my belief the main problem with the prosecuting attorney's office is organization.  As for her staff, follow the military principle.  People are only as good as the person leading them.  If the elected official is disorganized then the staff has to try twice as hard just to keep up. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on April 16, 2008, 04:29:11 PM
I still don't understand why the voter's didn't elect the Democrat that ran against her?  I attended several events during the election and each time I was really impressed with the guy and voted for him as well, because I didn't believe she had what it took to do the job.  But I'm sure he isn't going to try and run for the position again when her term is up.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on April 16, 2008, 05:44:10 PM
Because she got the military and church vote, and they didn't care about qualifications- obviously.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on April 16, 2008, 05:48:27 PM
No she got the Republican vote, which is the majority in this county.  Very few of the military assigned to FLW are registered to vote in Missouri.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on April 16, 2008, 06:00:22 PM
I guess your talking the retired military vote cowboy.  I can see that, but I just wish people would go and listen to these people running for office.  I was was also against Ransdall because he came right out and said from the beginning that he didn't believe the Sheriffs Department needed the LE sales tax.  I knew that if he was elected that it would take years, if ever to convince the guy to let the voters decide the issue.  I guess my gut feeling was spot on!  The guy that ran against Hooper had a ton of experience and really appeared to know what the heck he was talking about, compared to what I saw from her during the election.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on April 16, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
No she got the Republican vote, which is the majority in this county.  Very few of the military assigned to FLW are registered to vote in Missouri.

LOL....don't blame this Republican!  I voted for the Democrat!  I am a firm believer in voting for the best person that I think can do the job.....political parties be damned!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Law101 on April 16, 2008, 10:23:07 PM
She got a lot of votes from the Big Piney area because she came out to our area and went door to door. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on April 16, 2008, 10:37:43 PM
So people don't care about qualifications? - just who they met last.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: jafitzs on April 17, 2008, 01:40:57 AM
 Gifford had been also in August of last year...just a temporary thing though.
Gifford would be better, maybe she should stay gone for a few months.  I hope folks who read this threat remember that when paperwork doesn't get done in a PA's office, warrants get issued that sometimes shouldn't get issued usually for traffic tickets and the like.  Now you can give her the benefit of the doubt or anything else, but when your hauled in on a warrant that should not of been issued in the first place, you'll have a better understanding of how important that paperwork is.  And YOU are the one that has to prove it was a mistake because PA Hooper NEVER makes a mistake as you can tell from the DG.  And when you hear about her complaining because the LE folks aren't doing their reports correctly, etc, remember it's her who should be training them to the standards she needs in an effort to build a case.  Didn't mean to rant, but here is an example of someone getting elected based on political party, not competence.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Eeyore on April 17, 2008, 03:10:34 AM
Did any of the other candidates for any office come out to Big Piney?  It may not just be who you met last - but who cared enough to actually come out to your community and share their thoughts and beliefs and plans.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Law101 on April 17, 2008, 12:04:53 PM
Very few people ever make it out here.  Attorney Lowe did when he was running for Probate Judge.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on April 17, 2008, 12:44:35 PM
The current PA is completly qualified for the job, it's just the execution that is killing her.  I've been to her office several times, and she has a problem locating things.  I'm not sure what the solution is, but it looks like a good "girl Friday" would sure be a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on April 17, 2008, 02:12:02 PM
I've worked with people like that before.  They don't have a system and that creates problems across the board.  These type of jobs require a firm grasp on time management and developing a system for control of the large amounts of documents generated.  Without a good workable system in place you may work long hours, but they aren't as productive as they could be.  Sometimes, you just have to stop, make an assessment of the situation, develop a plan, and then work to execute said plan.  With that accomplished, if you us the system you've developed, your workload becomes easier to manage.  One good thing about having a system in place and then using it, is you don't misplace documents or evidence in this case as easily.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on April 17, 2008, 02:29:10 PM
Part of being qualified is administration.  She can not do either she just can not handle the job and needs to be gone so we the tax payer can receive the quality of job we are paying for .   After all thats gone wrong and she was threatening the commissioners that she would get the raise she was not entitled too until the next election.   Surely she will be smart enough not to run again - hopefully she'll be gone way before that.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on April 17, 2008, 03:48:15 PM
Is she up for re-election this year?  There are not many viable ways to remove a sitting prosecutor.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on April 17, 2008, 04:06:27 PM
AMAZING, could she f!@k up more?? Please, go to the daily guide and read the comments. Maybe, comment if you feel the urge. It was interesting that , on the front page, was this story and right next to it another FIRE story about Midway burning.
Jax <- shaking her head!
I voted for the other guy because he was way more professional, spoke well, and appeared intelligent. He looked like the kind of person that would roll up his sleeves and get down to basics. I listened to them both at one of the "Meet the Candidates" events. I hope next time people will listen and get a grip instead of just going to the polls and voting blindly.
 
The Daily Guide reported this...
After learning during a Monday jury trial that her office had lost photos taken by the state fire marshal’s office of the damage she claimed had been caused by arson, Prosecuting Attorney Deborah Hooper joined Public Defender Jahnel Lewis in calling for a mistrial.
Circuit Judge Mary Sheffield also granted Lewis’ motion to reduce the bail for the defendant, Kaylee Beal, from $50,000 cash-only to $10,000, and allowed a bail bondsman to post professional surety. It wasn’t immediately clear what effect that would have for Beal, who has been in jail since last June on multiple arson charges, each of which carry a $50,000 cash-only bond.
While Hooper agreed to the mistrial, she objected to the bail reduction on public safety grounds.
“Our position on this, as it has always been is that Miss Beal is charged with a significant number of arsons,” Hooper said.
That reasoning didn’t persuade Sheffield, who earlier that day had already seen Crocker Assistant Fire Chief Mark Fancher disqualified as a witness because Hooper didn’t provide sufficient prior notice for the public defender to interview him. Hooper also decided Monday morning that she wouldn’t be prosecuting a separate arson case against Beal involving property owned by Freeland Moss between Richland and Crocker due to lack of evidence.
Several other arson cases involving Beal are also pending, including a historic barn off Highway 28 just north of Veterans Memorial Bridge and the Hilltop Christian Union Church near Crocker.
Most but not all of the Beal cases have been moved to Rolla due to extensive pretrial publicity in the Waynesville Daily Guide and the Dixon Pilot.
The case being tried Monday involved a fire on March 3, 2007, in a house and barn on Highway 133 northeast of Crocker owned by Sgt. 1st Class Matthew Heltz, a soldier stationed at Fort Leonard Wood who had been refurbishing the home and planned to move into it after finishing extensive repair work.
Hooper called only four witnesses. Heltz detailed the work he had done in the house and his efforts to take an older home built in the 1930s and restore it as a retirement house where he would live after he left the Army. Beal’s former boyfriend, Joshua Harris, testified that he was in a car with Beal on the night of the fire, saw flames begin to come out of the buildings on Highway 133 northeast of Crocker on the night of the fire after she said she needed to get out of the car to urinate after a night of drinking and driving, but didn’t immediately report the fire because Beal pulled a knife on him and threatened to kill Harris and his family. Crocker Police Chief Robert Ishmael, who also serves as a captain in the Crocker Rural Fire Protection District, described the extent of the damage he saw.
“We were called out for a brush fire that had turned into a structure fire,” Ishmael said. “The house was fully involved down to the foundation, and it had gone into the grass and two to three acres of grass were on fire.”
Mark Fancher’s testimony was disallowed after Lewis said she hadn’t had adequate time to interview him. Hooper said she didn’t have much choice on the delay.
“I didn’t even know Mr. Fancher existed until two days ago,” Hooper said.
However, the mistrial focused on the testimony of Roger Windell, the regional chief fire investigator for the Missouri State Fire Marshal’s office.
Responding to questions from Hooper, Windell said there was little question that the fire wasn’t accidental due to weather conditions and the fact that two separate fires were found in the house and a barn.
“We had two separate fires, both with no utilities to them,” Windell said. “It establishes pretty well that this was not an accidental fire. There was no electricity to the house, no gas, nothing that would usually cause a fire by accident.”
Windell said he found a lawn tractor inside the barn had papers shoved up into the hood of the tractor and set on fire, and even several acres of grass had been burned, there was no connection between the house fire and the barn fire.
“It was a set fire; somebody set that lawn tractor on fire,” Windell said.
“Is that unusual to have two separate fires on a property?” Hooper asked.
“It is unusual to have two separate accidental fires on the same piece of property,” Windell replied.
Lewis began her cross-examination by questioning the evidence, and received an answer that neither she nor Hooper had expected.
“Did you take any photographs?” Lewis asked.
“Yes, I did,” Windell replied.
Lewis reacted with obvious surprise.
“You did?” Lewis asked. “How many photographs did you take?”
Windell didn’t expect that question from Lewis.
“You should have copies of them,” Windell said. “They were turned over to the prosecutor’s office.”
Windell said he had copies of the photographs on a camera card in his car and would provide them upon request.
The judge called for a recess in the trial to let the two attorneys decide what to do next.
“I’ll let you talk to this witness, but I don’t know what else will pop up in this case,” Sheffield said.
After the recess, Hooper said she didn’t contest Windell’s testimony.
“I don’t doubt that he gave me the photos,” Hooper said, and agreed to a request by Lewis to declare a mistrial because the defense attorney hadn’t had adequate time to review the arson investigation photos.
Sheffield agreed to the joint request by the defense and prosecution.
“I’m going to grant a mistrial at this time; I don’t know what else to do,” Sheffield said.
It’s not clear what will happen next. Hooper has the right to refile the charges after disclosing all evidence to the public defender’s office, as she’s required by law to do prior to the trial.
Speaking after the mistrial was declared, Hooper said she had no idea the photos existed before hearing Windell’s testimony in court on Monday.
“Jahnel (Lewis) and I were both in (the judge’s) chambers saying the problem with this case is I didn’t have any photos; obviously, if I had photos I would have used them,” Hooper said. “I don’t doubt the fire investigator gave me the photos; he said he have me them during (another arson case) preliminary hearing, but I don’t know what happened.”
Hooper said she regretted the mistrial and the mistake with the photos.
“It happens sometimes,” Hooper said.Related StoriesLoading additional related stories...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: littlebit on April 18, 2008, 02:25:59 AM
Whenever incompetence is present, justice will never be served.....
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on April 18, 2008, 02:09:55 PM
Is she up for re-election this year?  There are not many viable ways to remove a sitting prosecutor.

Believe she was elected back in 2006, so she wouldn't be up for re-election until 2010.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 23, 2008, 12:17:29 AM
Lets hope in 2010 we'll have another qualified candidate to run against her.  She actually carried every precinct in 06 over someone who is a much better prosecutor.  Just like Shackleford, who works part time hours but collects full time pay.  Not only should her pay raise been cancelled, her pay should be cut to match the hours she works at the courthouse.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on May 23, 2008, 12:39:57 PM
Look at how much the judges get paid and how many hours/days they work.  That's what all elected officials can do and most do.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on May 23, 2008, 02:21:27 PM
Lets all see how she peforms on this new list of drug dealers she has the oportunity to put away.. I know I am watching closely..
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 23, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
At the speed at which she works she won't have it all done during the remainder of her term.  I'll bet she will say she lacks evidence
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on May 23, 2008, 04:57:07 PM
I heard from a reliable source, this morning, that she does have her ducks in a row so far.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 23, 2008, 10:54:54 PM
If she has her ducks in a row it will be a first.  Maybe she had a Federal prosecutor help her out.  As for the judges and the hours they work, I think you'd be surprised and the work they put in BEFORE their day starts on the bench.  Comparing judges to Shackleford is like comparing apples to bananas.  The judges actually work their 40 hours and then some.  Shackleford don't get called out in the middle of the night, at least not for the treasurer's position.  I'm usually more positive than this but someone taking money they haven't earned from local taxpayers shouldn't happen and the people shouldn't fall for it. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: exclusive on May 26, 2008, 04:10:40 PM
I have read alot on both sides of the fence and I just cant believe what some people will say. You can ask any LE officer or deputy, they are not happy. But all too often they have to be professionals and be careful who they make comments to. The fact of the matter is that she is not doing her job correctly no matter how hard she is trying. There is something wrong when she is in at 6am and leaves at 8pm and gets almost nothing done. Then all she wants to do is blame everyone else. She even dogs on her own staff. If you are a victim and want to make sure the violator is punished then talk to Scott. He will get you answers and does more work than Mrs. Hooper. And he knows what he is doing. He is the Assistant Prosecutor. To give credit, she is trying but she just isnt good at it. She thinks all cases have to be like they are on tv, PERFECT. I dont mean to slam on her but thins is just not the job for her.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 26, 2008, 06:15:31 PM
I have read alot on both sides of the fence and I just cant believe what some people will say. You can ask any LE officer or deputy, they are not happy. But all too often they have to be professionals and be careful who they make comments to. The fact of the matter is that she is not doing her job correctly no matter how hard she is trying. There is something wrong when she is in at 6am and leaves at 8pm and gets almost nothing done. Then all she wants to do is blame everyone else. She even dogs on her own staff. If you are a victim and want to make sure the violator is punished then talk to Scott. He will get you answers and does more work than Mrs. Hooper. And he knows what he is doing. He is the Assistant Prosecutor. To give credit, she is trying but she just isnt good at it. She thinks all cases have to be like they are on tv, PERFECT. I dont mean to slam on her but thins is just not the job for her.

Your absolutely right, but then a lot of people knew she was incompetent in 2006 when she ran.  This was easily predicted but this is what happens when people vote for the party and not for the most qualified candidate.  Like I said earlier in this thread, if she wants reports that meet her standards then it's up to her to go to the LE folks and TRAIN them to her standards.  To the best of my knowledge she hasn't done that and most likely don't intend to.  Then she wouldn't have anyone to blame.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 26, 2008, 06:17:14 PM
Why can't we get rid of her and give Scott the job untillthe next election. 

Cowboy here is a clear case of why a recall election should be held.  But I'll be a dime to a donut the local republicans won't support it even though she's proven to be incompetent.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on May 27, 2008, 01:21:51 PM
No..I bet not one judge has EVER worked a 40 hour week unless there was once some fluke of a long trial...which around here usually a 2 week murder trial gets resolved in 3 days.  If they don't have court, they are home.  And that could be days at a time.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 27, 2008, 02:22:21 PM
No..I bet not one judge has EVER worked a 40 hour week unless there was once some fluke of a long trial...which around here usually a 2 week murder trial gets resolved in 3 days.  If they don't have court, they are home.  And that could be days at a time.

Coyote I know for a fact each of our judges have been called out in the middle of the night to issue warrants etc, especially to protect kids etc.  When the drug pusher busts were carried out starting at 6 in the morning, the warrants had to be signed before that.  Many times, to keep it totally a secret the warrants are signed not too long before the raid starts. I disagree with you on this one, you may want to research the facts some more.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on May 27, 2008, 03:04:31 PM
They take the warrant to their house...takes about 10 minutes...if that.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: 02Tundra on May 27, 2008, 05:02:52 PM
I surely hope that Democratic candidate runs again when the time comes to vote her out of office.  But with our luck the guy has already found and got a full time prosecutors position somewhere else and we will never see this guy agian.  Pulaski County loses out again!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Law101 on May 27, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
I have been in the courtroom on numerous occasions.  Trust me, there were somedays when the Judge didn't even take a lunch break.  And with the backlog of cases it took months to even get a court date.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on May 27, 2008, 05:55:16 PM
That would most likely be on Law Day.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on May 27, 2008, 11:20:36 PM
If you do scheduled hearings and trials on case net for upcoming days, and search each of our judges, you can see for yourself. I know that Judge Long has a very busy courtroom most of the time. BTW, heard the PA fired her assistant. Anyone else hear that?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: pulaskiivoter on May 27, 2008, 11:35:28 PM
True.  Scott is gone. 
She has been wanting a 10k raise.  Maybe she can get that now!  Afterall she works SOO hard! No one else is capable of doing anything.  Maybe she should fire her staff too!
We thought nothing got done before, wait till you see what happens now!.  I would hate to be a defendant in this county.  You'll sit in jail forever!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 27, 2008, 11:44:30 PM
Well it will give her another place to put the blame as to why she can not get job done- -  it will now be Scott's fault
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 28, 2008, 12:52:54 AM
True.  Scott is gone. 
She has been wanting a 10k raise.  Maybe she can get that now!  Afterall she works SOO hard! No one else is capable of doing anything.  Maybe she should fire her staff too!
We thought nothing got done before, wait till you see what happens now!.  I would hate to be a defendant in this county.  You'll sit in jail forever!

Of course Scott is gone, he's more competent than she is.  As for blaming Scott, now that he's gone it will be hard for her to blame him, and whoever she hires to take his place will be her hire...it won't take much to be more competent than her (I think most of us in this thread is more competent than she is and we're not even lawyers)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 28, 2008, 05:57:52 PM
I heard Scott screwed up big time this weekend and a drug dealer is back on the streets because of it. Just a rumor though....
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on May 29, 2008, 02:49:12 PM
sorry to hear it if that is the case.  Can we fire the PA for letting all those others out on the street through sheer incompetence and apathy?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: calvin on May 29, 2008, 07:52:54 PM
I've only heard second-hand talk so I cannot pretend to know how Ms. Hooper runs her office.  I have heard she is extremely intelligent--perhaps even a genious.  But I've also heard it say that she has organization problems.  I've also heard that she often spends the entire night at the office--so it sounds like she works hard, but maybe she has problems focusing on the important issues and is simply overwhelmed due to organization and focus issues.  This is mere speculation and I do not mean to disparage her.  As for the next election, Attorney Ronda Cortesini would make an excellent prosecutor in my opinion.  I've heard she is tough, yet diplomatic, no-nonsense and highly organized.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on May 29, 2008, 08:14:01 PM
I think Ms. Kimberly Lowe would do it best, if it has to be a woman.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 29, 2008, 10:44:43 PM
I've only heard second-hand talk so I cannot pretend to know how Ms. Hooper runs her office.  I have heard she is extremely intelligent--perhaps even a genious.  But I've also heard it say that she has organization problems.  I've also heard that she often spends the entire night at the office--so it sounds like she works hard, but maybe she has problems focusing on the important issues and is simply overwhelmed due to organization and focus issues.  This is mere speculation and I do not mean to disparage her.  As for the next election, Attorney Ronda Cortesini would make an excellent prosecutor in my opinion.  I've heard she is tough, yet diplomatic, no-nonsense and highly organized.
I don't think she's anywhere close to a genius.  From what I've heard winning the election as prosecutor basically saved her law practice, she wasn't very good.  And she's not getting any better.  There have been several that were allowed to walk because of her mistakes but the assistant gets fired for letting one walk......sounds like a double standard but that's not unusual for her.  I'd sure support a recall in this case, but no way will be the republicans in this county allow it...a democrat that can do the job might get elected.
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 29, 2008, 10:56:04 PM
I'm not sure the assistant let anybody go it may be another reason.  It sure would make a good story for the daily guide to investigate and report. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 29, 2008, 11:01:08 PM
I'm not sure the assistant let anybody go it may be another reason.  It sure would make a good story for the daily guide to investigate and report. 
I agree cowboy but the don't investigate people like her.  This prosecutor gets preferential treatment.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: calvin on May 30, 2008, 12:02:25 AM
I think Ms. Kimberly Lowe would do it best, if it has to be a woman.

I've heard Ms. Lowe is an excellent attorney.  But Ronda Cortisini has a certain gravitas and can appear intimidating at times.  She might put some proper fear into defendants that deserve it.  Yet, I believe Ms. Cortisini is fair and would recommend sentences that fit the crime and accept pleas with lighter sentences if the circumstances warrent it.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 30, 2008, 09:05:18 PM
Well the Daily Guide carried a story about the firing of the assistant PA but we still don't know anymore.  It just says they put a letter in his file and he now works for mark Pugh (SP?).  Since she probably won't find someone else to work for her maybe they can use the savings in salary to offset some of the increased cost of fuel this year.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Eeyore on May 30, 2008, 09:10:40 PM
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Pulaski County no longer has an assistant prosecutor, following a decision Tuesday morning by Prosecuting Attorney Deborah Hooper to terminate Assistant Prosecutor Scott Stafford.
Stafford, who had been hired in 2003 by the former county prosecutor before Hooper was elected in 2006, is now working as an assistant in the law office of Mark Prugh.
Hooper didn’t return a call to her office for comment and it’s not known whether she will try to hire another assistant prosecutor. However, she told County Clerk Diana Linnenbringer that she didn’t have an objection to a Daily Guide request for a copy of her termination letter to Stafford.
That letter indicates that Stafford showed up for work on Tuesday and Hooper requested that he be paid for his work that day. However, the letter gave no reasons for the termination, noting that Stafford’s position is based on an “at-will employment contract” and that “the rules for payment of terminated employees rests with the County Clerk and Commissioners.”
On Thursday, commissioners said they didn’t know anything about Hooper’s decision before it was made. As a separately elected department head, Hooper makes her own hiring and firing decisions and they’re not under the control of the county commission.
However, since the county clerk handles personnel files, Linnenbringer received a notice of the termination from Hooper, with the request to place the notice in Stafford’s “employment disciplinary files” and to “ensure that a check is cut for him for his pay through (Tuesday) as well as any and all accrued leave, if applicable.”
Hooper directed Stafford “to immediately return any and all cases (in his) possession” and was told that “those in your office have already been removed.” Stafford was also directed “to immediately turn over the key to the office and your key fob.”
That abrupt termination brings an end, at least for now, to Stafford’s 13-year career in public service law. He first served as an assistant public defender in Laclede County from 1995 to 2000, then as an assistant prosecutor in Phelps County from September 2000 to May 2003, and has worked in Pulaski County as an assistant prosecutor for the last five years.
Stafford had worked alongside Laura Kriebs when both were assistant prosecutors in the Phelps County Prosecutor’s Office and he came to Pulaski County a few months after Kriebs was elected as Pulaski County’s first full-time prosecutor in November 2002.
Kriebs and Hooper were both candidates in 2002; Kriebs won as a Democrat that year in an election that saw numerous Democrats thrown out of county office, narrowly defeating Hooper who ran a write-in campaign as an independent and was nearly successful even though her name didn’t appear on the ballot.
Kriebs didn’t run for re-election in 2006; Hooper, who filed that year as a Republican, defeated Democratic nominee John Garrabrand.
Stafford has also run for public office; he was the unsuccessful Democratic nominee for Laclede County prosecutor in the 2006 election.
Stafford acknowledged that he was angry when Hooper terminated him on Tuesday but said he didn’t want to publicly criticize Hooper’s decision.
“I really don’t think I want to say anything about it other than I really enjoyed my time working as an assistant prosecutor,” Stafford said. “I think I did a very good job and I’m proud of what I did there.”
Stafford said he’d been considering a job with Mark Prugh, who he’s known for about a half-decade, even before Hooper terminated him.
“From dealing with Mark Prugh personally from the other side, I liked him and I feel it is a good law office,” Hooper said. “There weren’t a lot of opportunities coming up, but that one was.”
Prugh primarily works as a criminal defense lawyer but also practices in other areas, and Stafford said working in a private law firm for the first time since graduating from the University of Missouri Law School in 1995 will help him build his legal skills.
“I want to try to use my law degree to try to help people, and from what I’ve seen here, I’ll also be able to get more experience in areas other than criminal law,” Stafford said.
While Stafford said he wouldn’t rule out another run for prosecutor, he said it won’t be against Hooper.
“In Laclede County, I would have to leave that door open,” Stafford said. “I’ve got a house that I own in Lebanon and I don’t plan to give that up.”
Stafford said he’s lived in Laclede County since 1995, except for the three years he worked in Phelps County.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: pulaskiivoter on May 30, 2008, 10:31:13 PM
If you really want to get an eyeful and be able to form a TRUE opinion, go to the courthouse any day she has court and watch her.  Unprepared is an understatement.  She dismisses cases because she can't get ready for court. Based on what I know, the system only works because of plea bargains.  Scott would plea bargain things away, but she will not do that as often or as quickly.  I know it is her office and she runs it the way she wants to but I believe the community would be served better by getting cases moved through.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on May 30, 2008, 11:57:25 PM
There is a comment on the DG blog that says she hired someone out of Phelps County
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 31, 2008, 12:03:40 AM
Well here we go.  Pretty soon she won't have anyone to blame but herself.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: jsb66763 on June 02, 2008, 02:28:42 PM
Someone posted the Republican committee would not support a recall election.  I wonder how they would feel that she was secretly supporting a democratic candidate that used to be sheriff and giving him info to use against the current candidate, who happens to be a republican.  OOPS.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on June 02, 2008, 02:32:33 PM
Why do we need the Republican committee to support a recall election?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Pete on June 02, 2008, 03:00:50 PM
Someone posted the Republican committee would not support a recall election.  I wonder how they would feel that she was secretly supporting a democratic candidate that used to be sheriff and giving him info to use against the current candidate, who happens to be a republican.  OOPS.

I think JB has his 6 covered.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on June 02, 2008, 03:59:35 PM
What is it thats big enough to cover his 6 :-)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on June 05, 2008, 11:33:59 PM
Someone posted the Republican committee would not support a recall election.  I wonder how they would feel that she was secretly supporting a democratic candidate that used to be sheriff and giving him info to use against the current candidate, who happens to be a republican.  OOPS.
Considering her incompetence, I'm not sure I would trust any information she provided. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: pulaskiivoter on June 25, 2008, 01:10:24 AM
I heard that our wonderful prosector had to dismiss charges today against the guy that did the home invasion last summer.  The one where the homeowner caught the guy and held him for the sheriff's deputies.  Is what I heard true?  I don't want to spread rumors so that's why I am asking If it is true? If its true, why were charges dropped?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on June 30, 2008, 11:13:48 PM
I heard that our wonderful prosector had to dismiss charges today against the guy that did the home invasion last summer.  The one where the homeowner caught the guy and held him for the sheriff's deputies.  Is what I heard true?  I don't want to spread rumors so that's why I am asking If it is true? If its true, why were charges dropped?

I wish the paper could cover the courts on a more regular basis where we could get better information.  It would not be a surprise that she dismissed the charges in that case.  A constant drive for perfection in that office means very few get prosecuted successfully.  I don't think she's advising a democrat candidate for sheriff either.  That sounds like something JB's groupies would spread (No offense JB).  Besides, if I were the candidate I wouldn't believe a word she says.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on July 01, 2008, 12:59:30 AM
I wish the paper could cover the courts on a more regular basis where we could get better information.  It would not be a surprise that she dismissed the charges in that case.  A constant drive for perfection in that office means very few get prosecuted successfully.  I don't think she's advising a democrat candidate for sheriff either.  That sounds like something JB's groupies would spread (No offense JB).  Besides, if I were the candidate I wouldn't believe a word she says.

    Here I thought only rock stars had groupies! Not bad for a fat old Sheriff !!!!               ( No offense taken- loved the laugh! )

         JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: murfyzlaw on September 23, 2008, 12:22:22 PM
I have now experienced the prosecuting attorney's office, and I am so angry.  the cases were thrown out because the prosecutor did not have the correct paperwork in court.  Someone very close to me was made several promises by the prosecutor, NONE were kept,  this is where our tax money is going, there were several witnesses there, including law enforcement, there was a jury selected, and all for nothing.  This person that was on trial, should be locked up, no doubt about it.  What is really scary, is that there are several more serious charges that will supposedly go to trial on this same person, and if the prosecutor's office messes these up it could effect some people very badly for many years to come. (a child)  But if they (the PA) can't handle a couple of exparte violations, how will they handle these other ones?  And will they ever really make it to trial?  I know of several people in this county that have had charges and they were never prosecuted,  statute of limitations had passed,  I so regret voting this woman into office. We had such high hopes yesterday and they were shot down by some small , but very big mistakes.   I have no faith in the Pulaski County justice system whatsover !!!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on September 23, 2008, 03:14:33 PM
She continues to follow the same do nothing pattern that she did in private practice.   When will everyone wake up and get her out of this job. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on October 02, 2008, 01:54:34 AM
She continues to follow the same do nothing pattern that she did in private practice.   When will everyone wake up and get her out of this job. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??

We need to see what it takes to remove an elected prosecutor from office.  No matter the political party, it's obvious to all our current prosecutor is inept and needs to go. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Inside Out on October 30, 2008, 02:43:03 PM
How soon is the Next election for County PA?  I posted before I though she was doing a good Job. Well That has Changed all the way around. It's sad when you find out off the street that people that have done criminal acts against you have bonded and othersd are about to be Paroled.

Shouldn't a victim be notified from the PA's office?

On top of the fact taking years to get stuff moving on a case.
What a Joke.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on October 30, 2008, 02:52:08 PM
I heard from her own mouth, she's only doing it for the steady paycheck and insurance...which I don't know why because her husband is retired and she has tri-care.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Inside Out on October 30, 2008, 02:54:41 PM
Well I'm floored. Hopefully someday we can get a PA that will care about the job and do what is needed to be done. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on October 30, 2008, 04:13:57 PM
I heard from her own mouth, she's only doing it for the steady paycheck and insurance...which I don't know why because her husband is retired and she has tri-care.

She could not make it private practice that's why she ran so she could have a steady income and insurance without the hassle of a lot of work.  You may recall that when they voted the raises, due to the increase in property valuation, she want her increase and was even going to sue.  But it was explain in the news several times that the raise wouldn't take effect until the next election cycle for each office except for the Sheriff .
 
Last year at budget time it came out that she has handle less cases than anyone over the past several years.   I would be interesting to know where her case fillings stand now.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ShowmeHillbilly on October 30, 2008, 08:19:00 PM
I can tell you that an individual went to her office to have something noterized. The first thing she did was say. and I quote,
 
"you arent one of those people trashing me and making comments on the pulaski county web are you?!"
 
the individual answered No and that she didnt even know what that was (because she doesnt and has never been on here) and then she said she would do it but after a few moments she came back and told her she couldnt find her notary stuff??
So she Does read this column!! Fair warning she will use it against you.
 
I do know that there was a case of a drunk and drugged up woman who used her car to try and run over a relative of mine and her friend who were only 15 years old and charges were filed and low and behold Ms. Hooper lost all the evidence and statements so nothing ever happened to the person who tried doing this!!! It made me so mad I bought blew up!!! This woman actually literally ran her car into the ditch to try and hit my 15 year old relative and nothing was done to her because of Ms. Hoopers neglagence!!! This was attempted murder with the use of a vechicle!!!!
I admit that she has a big workload but to loose such evidence that she cant prosecute there is NO excuse for that!!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Eden on October 30, 2008, 08:56:43 PM
Wonder where all that "lost evidence" goes.....maybe where the lost socks go......
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on October 30, 2008, 09:08:14 PM
Wonder where all that "lost evidence" goes.....maybe where the lost socks go......
Good one. :)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: chicken butt on October 31, 2008, 12:01:50 AM
You know the saying "all that goes around, comes around"?  It'll come back to bite her.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Kristi Marie on October 31, 2008, 01:29:54 PM
Yea that Karma is some powerful stuff!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on October 31, 2008, 01:30:52 PM
You know the saying "all that goes around, comes around"?  It'll come back to bite her.
Yea that Karma is some powerful stuff!!
Yes it will, and Yes it is.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on October 31, 2008, 02:33:34 PM
Just read this thread, I don't know what all is going on but when I have been at the courthouse it looks like she has a shit load of work on her plate. That has been my impression. I can't imagine being prepared 100 percent for 100 cases in a few hours. From my experience this county has complained about every prosecutor for as far back as I can remember.. They used to pick on Headrick about his collection of bad checks.. I think Headrick did an admirable job.. I don't know enough about her job to say one way or another how shes doing. I introduced myself to her in the elevator there one day, and she didn't scoff at me.. I also know shes a realistic person, because she was my oppositions attorney in my child custody case, I saw her reprimand my opponent justifiably.. My opponent in that case is doing time in the big house thanks to our prosecutor.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Inside Out on October 31, 2008, 04:37:26 PM
Well I have to say i though things were great the first 3 months she was in office.
With my situation she walked into a mess from the former PA.
Now I can't find out anything nor am I notified of anything you never get a call back and everything goes to voicemail.
I find out more off the street than I do the PA office.
IF the work load is that great mabye bring in more help if the budget is there
 
Heck for the past 3 days I've tried calling and no one has answered the phone.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: murfyzlaw on October 31, 2008, 04:39:39 PM
Someone in my family had several charges against a person, a very volatile situation, involving an adult and 2 children, the charges were either missing or uninvestigated, they were continued umpteen times and then when they finally got to court either the evidence was gone or the wrong evidence was filed, and thrown out.  Yes, i am sure she has a very full plate, but something should be done to alleviate her load so that all criminals are prosecuted and justice is served upon the victims.  i am glad your case worked out for you Rick, but i am afraid you were one of very few of the cases out there.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Inside Out on October 31, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
nix the no phone just got through lol
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on October 31, 2008, 05:48:51 PM
One thing I can assure you of is, money for help is not in the budget.
 
Well I have to say i though things were great the first 3 months she was in office.
With my situation she walked into a mess from the former PA.
Now I can't find out anything nor am I notified of anything you never get a call back and everything goes to voicemail.
I find out more off the street than I do the PA office.
IF the work load is that great mabye bring in more help if the budget is there
 
Heck for the past 3 days I've tried calling and no one has answered the phone.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on October 31, 2008, 05:50:07 PM
I did hear of someone I think a lot of is thinking about running in two years for her job..
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on October 31, 2008, 05:50:56 PM
See they read this site.. LOL
 
nix the no phone just got through lol
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on November 28, 2008, 10:48:07 PM
Rick don't keep us in suspense, who is it?
 
I did hear of someone I think a lot of is thinking about running in two years for her job..
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 29, 2008, 01:25:50 AM
Just some guy who will do a great job, not saying she's doing a bad job, actually I am somewhat pleased with her of late..
 
Sorry can't say, but thanks for the reminder I may ask him about it when I see him again.. He is a very level headed guy..
 
It has recently come to my attention that some local attorneys don't do well finacially, because of their title so to speak we all assume they are loaded.. Nowadays it's hard to make money in any business I suppose....
 
 
Rick don't keep us in suspense, who is it?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 09, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
Just some guy who will do a great job, not saying she's doing a bad job, actually I am somewhat pleased with her of late..
 
Sorry can't say, but thanks for the reminder I may ask him about it when I see him again.. He is a very level headed guy..
 
It has recently come to my attention that some local attorneys don't do well finacially, because of their title so to speak we all assume they are loaded.. Nowadays it's hard to make money in any business I suppose....
 
 

Rick is that person still interested in the Prosecutor's job?  She doesn't seem to be improving.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 10, 2009, 12:09:07 AM
The election is next year.  That's a long time to wait but we can get rid of her then
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on May 10, 2009, 03:08:13 AM
At least one local attorney of her own political party is seriously interested, in addition to a local Democrat who runs in most elections and will probably run in 2010 as well. But no announcements have been made yet and I'm not going to announce names until they decide to do so.



Rick is that person still interested in the Prosecutor's job?  She doesn't seem to be improving.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 10, 2009, 11:35:29 PM
At least one local attorney of her own political party is seriously interested, in addition to a local Democrat who runs in most elections and will probably run in 2010 as well. But no announcements have been made yet and I'm not going to announce names until they decide to do so.




Darell Email me and let's see is we are thinking of the same people...and I promise I won't say a word to anyone, the email will be deleted.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 10, 2009, 11:36:29 PM
The election is next year.  That's a long time to wait but we can get rid of her then

Cowboy I'll sure be glad when her term is up...and to think some around here thought it couldn't get any worse.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 10, 2009, 11:38:04 PM
See they read this site.. LOL
 

Rick, where did you move your store to?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on May 10, 2009, 11:53:16 PM
It is closed permanently.
 
 
Rick, where did you move your store to?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on May 10, 2009, 11:54:40 PM
Haven't spoke to them recently about it.

Rick is that person still interested in the Prosecutor's job?  She doesn't seem to be improving.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 12, 2009, 06:32:24 PM
It is closed permanently.
 
 

Damn, sorry to hear that Rick
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on May 12, 2009, 06:51:38 PM
That's a good thing. Trust me. ;)
 
Damn, sorry to hear that Rick
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 14, 2009, 09:46:39 PM
Good post you have her nailed to a tee
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 14, 2009, 11:26:32 PM
That's a good thing. Trust me. ;)
 

If you say it's good, then it's good:-)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 14, 2009, 11:35:49 PM
Cowboy and Coyote, you raise good points about our PA. I have first hand knowledge that she ran her private firm in a non-chalant way. She was disorganized, kept her firm's door's locked during business hours and would only open the door if the person was someone other than a "client. She let all her calls go to voice mail. Return calls to clients were done sporadically. She often complained about the lack of revenue she pulled in, and at one time was extremely upset because she had to pay her taxes via a "credit-card". I have witnessed first hand her tirade with certain members of the Church she attends. Her decision to run for PA was not for the "good of the community", it was, a financial decision. I had already formulated my opinion of Hooper after I witnessed certain scenarios, but ultimately I lost what little respect I had when her decision to run was made soley for financial reasons. While I believe income should be part of the equation when making certain decisions, it should NOT be the one and only motivating factor when running for public office. Although I don't admire her work ethics, or her unorganized agenda and office affairs, she is full of vinegar and oil, which is helpful in the courtroom. There have been pros and cons for every PA we've had. I've had the privelege of working with a few of them. When you work in the public eye, you're not going to please everyone all the time. You will have your supporters and you will have your nay sayers. It goes with the territory. But, in my opinion, Hooper is a "wolf in sheeps clothing" with a hidden agenda.
As far as the budget goes, it's tight. But with a good criminal assisant, someone to handle bad checks (which is usally done through negotiations and restitution), and a good receptionist who does double duty with the court dockets and other needed affairs, it can all be handled within the budget. So that's income for 3 people to work in the PA's office besides the Assistant PA. The child support clerk is a contract position, whereby the State reimburses the county for this position. It's of my opinion that the PA's office is disorganized, with forgotten cases, and many cases being put at the bottom of the docket because of "no-shows". They do not have a good "check and balance" in place for errors or alerts. Every PA has a different "vision" for how they want things done. The PA has to also run a "business". By the time our PA's get elected, a few of them usually don't consider the "business" side of things. They have many cases piled up and are ready to dig into courtroom action. They are trained to be lawyers, and that's what they do best (well some of them anyways), but many don't have a clue how the business side of things should flow.  :wink1a:

Outstanding post.  Several of us are aware of her hidden agendas (she has more than one).  I'm for a lawyer that is full of piss and vinegar when needed, but that's just a small part of the package, and she's far short (no pun intended) of what this county needs.  When a person runs for PA, in my opinion, they are saying they will also take care of the business aspect of the job.  Her inept ability in that area is only one part of how she is short-changing the county.  If she did her job properly, the cost to the Sheriff's Department would also be reduced.  If you or I did our jobs the way she does hers, we would be summarily fired.  She deserves no less.  It's a shame we have to wait until next year and even that is no gurantee
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Pete on May 16, 2009, 07:19:55 AM
Thanks cowboy and Fedup. I’m laughing at myself Fedup, you used the term “piss and vinegar”. That’s the terminology I was looking for!!!! Thanks!  ;D
I think too, the community should collectively try and define what makes a good candidate for "prosecutor". It’s equally important to understand what being a prosecutor is not: it shouldn’t be a win-loss record, or a mechanical application for every criminal case. At a minimum, one needs a talent for trial work. As for me, I’m looking for someone who is also a people person. Personal qualities are nearly as important as their legal ability, but they should also be sensitive to the needs of the community they represent. I’d be interested in knowing how a Prosecutor or potential candidate defines success.
Showmehillbilly stated that someone went to the office to get something “notarized”. My question is why is the “prosecuting attorney” notarizing documents for the community? In the past, that office usually assigned the “child support clerk” to notarize documents because it was needed in their line of work. Hooper could certainly assign anyone in her office to do that job. It disturbs me to think she would ask anyone if they were “trashing her on the PCW”, if that person had said “yes”, would Hooper deny her the service? 
It’s hard work and long hours for any prosecutor, but as a community, how often do we get a chance to understand what our prosecutor is doing for us? There is no website, there is no communication or portal to allow people to better understand what that office does for us, or at best, defining their role in the judicial system. I certainly don’t expect to have a day-by-day account, but I’d like to see that office work proactively with the community in some capacity.

Where did you say you worked?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: FedUp on May 23, 2009, 10:00:30 PM
Thanks cowboy and Fedup. I’m laughing at myself Fedup, you used the term “piss and vinegar”. That’s the terminology I was looking for!!!! Thanks!  ;D
I think too, the community should collectively try and define what makes a good candidate for "prosecutor". It’s equally important to understand what being a prosecutor is not: it shouldn’t be a win-loss record, or a mechanical application for every criminal case. At a minimum, one needs a talent for trial work. As for me, I’m looking for someone who is also a people person. Personal qualities are nearly as important as their legal ability, but they should also be sensitive to the needs of the community they represent. I’d be interested in knowing how a Prosecutor or potential candidate defines success.
Showmehillbilly stated that someone went to the office to get something “notarized”. My question is why is the “prosecuting attorney” notarizing documents for the community? In the past, that office usually assigned the “child support clerk” to notarize documents because it was needed in their line of work. Hooper could certainly assign anyone in her office to do that job. It disturbs me to think she would ask anyone if they were “trashing her on the PCW”, if that person had said “yes”, would Hooper deny her the service? 
It’s hard work and long hours for any prosecutor, but as a community, how often do we get a chance to understand what our prosecutor is doing for us? There is no website, there is no communication or portal to allow people to better understand what that office does for us, or at best, defining their role in the judicial system. I certainly don’t expect to have a day-by-day account, but I’d like to see that office work proactively with the community in some capacity.

You have another great post, and we have lawyers on both sides of the political arena that fit the bill....and with a greater amount of ability that the current prosecutor.  I just don't see her as successful at anything she has tried.  Like Pete, I am curious where you work:-)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on October 29, 2009, 07:19:53 PM
You are a stand-up woman, Showme.  I applaud you for your persistence and I hope it helps your family.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on October 31, 2009, 08:08:44 PM
All I would like to know is how long it takes them to prosecute someone that wrote a bad check? They have sent him a letter and he never has responded to it, he wont answer his phone just about ready to go to lincoln myself and beat it out of him.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on October 31, 2009, 11:03:07 PM
yeah this guy owes me 800.00 and they know where he is just keep telling me it takes time
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on November 01, 2009, 12:32:27 AM
My mom went in to ask about theirs, the guy owes 900.00 plus and they havent heard a thing!!! They couldnt find the information!


This sounds like the 88 traffic tickets that where found in her desk while she was gone  in December her first year in office. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: jsfwags on November 10, 2009, 05:44:41 AM
attacked in my own home on Dec. 6th 2008
 
-no investigation
-no charges
-over $1000 of my firearms still in armory
-over 100 messages for her
 
.... 0 callbacks
 
i just want my guns back
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on November 10, 2009, 02:24:59 PM
1 more year.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: murfyzlaw on November 10, 2009, 06:35:08 PM
1 more year.

LOL, and as far as she goes, it will be a long one.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: igahmah at work on March 08, 2010, 05:04:51 AM
I agree about Garrabrant, I personally thought he was a pretty sharp attorney and voted for him in the last election however, I would vote for Donald Duck over Deborah Hooper.  Once you have been in the office and have proven not to do a good job you do not deserve a second chance. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: creationscandle on March 08, 2010, 05:39:40 AM
Speaking of:  there are three voters in this household that will NOT be voting for her.  There was a protection order taken out for a woman and the man broke it 13 times and she refuses to prosecute........13 times.....can you believe that????
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: creationscandle on March 08, 2010, 05:44:49 AM
one more thing I forgot to add.......she also told the pulaski county legal advocate that is suppose to be there to assist victums of abuse and in situations as such to have NOTHING to do with the victim, doesn't seem right to me.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 08, 2010, 03:17:21 PM
Well my post was removed due to some slander nonsense, however I will state again I'm hoping an additional party files to run QUICKLY!!

I would like to see David Lowe run. :-)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: creationscandle on March 08, 2010, 03:29:19 PM
There is another party/person running in which will definately get my vote. His  green and white signs are up advertising in a lot of places and I really think that he will do his job well if he gets elected. (crossing fingers for him)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: creationscandle on March 08, 2010, 03:43:02 PM
>Thanks cowboy and Fedup. I’m laughing at myself Fedup, you used the term “piss and vinegar”. That’s the terminology I was looking for!!!! Thanks!  (http://pegasus.montecarlohosting.net/~pulaskic/smf/Smileys/Blue_Winter/grin.gif)
I think too, the community should collectively try and define what makes a good candidate for "prosecutor". It’s equally important to understand what being a prosecutor is not: it shouldn’t be a win-loss record, or a mechanical application for every criminal case. At a minimum, one needs a talent for trial work. As for me, I’m looking for someone who is also a people person. Personal qualities are nearly as important as their legal ability, but they should also be sensitive to the needs of the community they represent. I’d be interested in knowing how a Prosecutor or potential candidate defines success.
Showmehillbilly stated that someone went to the office to get something “notarized”. My question is why is the “prosecuting attorney” notarizing documents for the community? In the past, that office usually assigned the “child support clerk” to notarize documents because it was needed in their line of work. Hooper could certainly assign anyone in her office to do that job. It disturbs me to think she would ask anyone if they were “trashing her on the PCW”, if that person had said “yes”, would Hooper deny her the service? 
It’s hard work and long hours for any prosecutor, but as a community, how often do we get a chance to understand what our prosecutor is doing for us? There is no website, there is no communication or portal to allow people to better understand what that office does for us, or at best, defining their role in the judicial system. I certainly don’t expect to have a day-by-day account, but I’d like to see that office work proactively with the community in some capacity.



 
 
****I commend you for this excellant posting!!! I am currently a law student, and even with my extreme lack of legal experience, I am absolutly discusted with her work ethics, I am ashamed at someone calling themselves an attorney and rarely being prepared, and highly inappropriate attire for a courtroom, I feel if you are planning on getting into such a highly esteemed field such as an attorney you should dress the part----non-negotiable. woman- dress suit (not a moomoo), men suit with tie. Maybe my standards are a little high for this state but that's my opinion.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 08, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
From my recollection, no one has ever been happy with any prosecuting attorney. When you prosecute people it sure does create some enemies.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: creationscandle on March 08, 2010, 04:04:30 PM
GEEEEEZE.....I can't wait for the next election. Do you know what date it is on?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 08, 2010, 04:18:22 PM
There is another party/person running in which will definately get my vote. His  green and white signs are up advertising in a lot of places and I really think that he will do his job well if he gets elected. (crossing fingers for him)

I'm sorry having worked with many many many lawyers over many many years especially in a large prosecutors office... a fresh out of law school lawyer is just not going to be a benefit for our county in my opinion.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Chas on March 08, 2010, 09:34:48 PM
“ The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.” To quote Shakespeare.  Since he died in 1616 It is safe to say that lawyers have been causing problems  for a long time. Note: This is meant to be funny and a tad sarcastic. I’m not advocating the killing of anyone.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: creationscandle on March 10, 2010, 08:19:06 PM
I can understand not wanting to have one fresh out of law school. I am glad that the one I am rooting for is not fresh out of law school. This county needs some fresh blood in office, and needs someone that will do the job well, this coming from someone actually seeing him in action.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on March 10, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
99% of lawyers are giving the rest a bad name
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on March 10, 2010, 09:45:07 PM
 ***(**& lol! 

99% of lawyers are giving the rest a bad name
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: msheek on March 10, 2010, 10:52:48 PM
Not trying to be real sarcastic hear, but if there was no investigation, how did your firearms end up in the armory?  did the crooks just take them to the sheriff office and say here, I stole these, will you hold them for me or waht.

attacked in my own home on Dec. 6th 2008
 
-no investigation
-no charges
-over $1000 of my firearms still in armory
-over 100 messages for her
 
.... 0 callbacks
 
i just want my guns back
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 11, 2010, 12:21:10 AM
Not trying to be real sarcastic hear, but if there was no investigation, how did your firearms end up in the armory?  did the crooks just take them to the sheriff office and say here, I stole these, will you hold them for me or waht.


I too questioned that post...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 11, 2010, 01:03:21 AM
We have been over this subject several times in the last couple years. The sheriff explained it well..
 :deadhorse:
 
I too questioned that post...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: msheek on March 11, 2010, 01:14:36 AM
Sorry, guess I missed it.  I will look back and see what the deal is.
 
We have been over this subject several times in the last couple years. The sheriff explained it well..
 :deadhorse:
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Pete on March 11, 2010, 02:42:48 AM
Who is this new Jeffery guy running? Why doesn't he have (dem.rep,indep) on his sign's? Did I miss something or is he a new Dem?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 11, 2010, 03:41:00 AM
Republican
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: pulaskiivoter on March 11, 2010, 03:50:04 AM
Does anyone know anything about him?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on March 11, 2010, 04:02:21 AM
I assume you are talking about Jeffrey Thomas. He is attorney James Thomas' son.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 11, 2010, 05:17:11 AM
I assume you are talking about Jeffrey Thomas. He is attorney James Thomas' son.

That statement should say a LOT!!!  *eyeroll*
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: pulaskiivoter on March 11, 2010, 11:53:51 PM
please explain "that should say alot"  I don't know this guy. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on March 12, 2010, 12:53:41 AM
please explain "that should say alot"  I don't know this guy.
She really can't explain because she already had one post deleted because she did say what she thought about a couple of them  ;D
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 12, 2010, 02:54:15 AM
please explain "that should say alot"  I don't know this guy. 

OK, I'll speak up and say a few things that are public knowledge, without going into my opinion of Jim Thomas (which actually isn't bad, but I'd rather not discuss it because it is only my opinion and not necessarily based on documentable facts).

1. Jim Thomas is a criminal defense lawyer. Historically, he's defended a number of people most law enforcement personnel would consider "scumbags," but who have enough money to pay a competent lawyer rather than relying on the public defender.

2. That fact makes law enforcement upset. Jim Thomas' job is to get accused criminals off the hook. That's what criminal defense lawyers do, and it's their constitutional right and obligation to defend their clients to the best of their ability. But anytime you have a criminal defense attorney who does a good job, he'll be unpopular with law enforcement in direct relationship to how popular he is with his clients.

3. Our current prosecutor stated publicly on a regular basis prior to her election that she avoided taking clients in private practice on which she would have a conflict of interest if she were elected prosecutor. That argument was used -- and used successfully -- by Deborah Hooper against John Garrabrandt four years ago and we can expect she'll use it again against Jeff Thomas, with the added complication that while John Garrabrandt could quit his private practice, we can't expect that Jeff Thomas will demand that his father stop practicing law.

At a minimum, the result will be that the county will have to pay a lot of money to hire special prosecutors. That's not unique to Jim and Jeff Thomas; it would have been the case four years ago if John Garrabrandt or Wayne Gifford had been elected.

But there is a difference.

Let's take a step back from this for a moment. Imagine what it will be like to have a prosecutor whose father has, for several decades, been defending the category of people the prosecutor is supposed to be working to put in jail. I'm sure somebody can find some precedents somewhere in Missouri of a son working to put the type of people in jail who his father is trying to defend, but at the very minimum it's going to be an interesting situation.

None of this is trying to support or oppose Jeff Thomas. A good case can be made that he's the better of the two Republican candidates, and right now, those of us who are Republicans have **ONLY** those two choices unless somebody else decides to file. But it is going to be a complicated situation if Jeff Thomas wins.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 12, 2010, 04:06:31 AM
I agree about Garrabrant, I personally thought he was a pretty sharp attorney and voted for him in the last election however, I would vote for Donald Duck over Deborah Hooper.  Once you have been in the office and have proven not to do a good job you do not deserve a second chance. 

For the record, the "guy with green and black signs", Jeff Thomas, graduated from law school in June of 2009... ummm he didn't even have his bar results as of August, so technically he has had approximately 1/2 of a year experience in law.  Absolutely NOT enough to the lead prosecutor of our county.
Thomas, Jeffrey Edward
Bar Number: 61821
Date Admitted: 9/9/2009
Waynesville, MO 65583 US

SEPTEMBER, he has been an attorney since SEPTEMBER!!!!

Jim Thomas his father, was suspended from the bar on at least one occasion and has had numerous complaints.  Surely you can, be deductive reasoning, figure out what my opinion is.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 12, 2010, 11:26:42 AM
Your going to vote for Gifford.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: mo-abc on March 12, 2010, 01:41:17 PM
Darrell - very interesting post. I had never hear of him until I saw the signs go up around town. It would make for a complicated and possibly costly situation.


Does anyone know what the requirements for being the prosecuting attorney are?  It doesn't seem like someone with a few months of experience would be able to run for office?


The choice for me will be who is the best person for the job - not which party they are from.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 12, 2010, 02:38:45 PM
Your going to vote for Gifford.

uhhh that will be a big negative. haha I'm still holding out hope another individual will file. *wink wink*
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Chas on March 12, 2010, 07:19:51 PM
There shouldn’t even be a party affiliation with the jobs of prosecuting attorney or sheriff. The law is the law, regardless of which party a person may belong to.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on March 12, 2010, 07:41:35 PM
I don't think anyone should compare him with his dad or any other attorneys in the area.  He's brand new and maybe that's what this county needs.  Someone who is ready to push his sleeves up and work hard to make his reputation!  What better way to "cut his teeth," than to ride into Dodge and clean things up...

I assume you are talking about Jeffrey Thomas. He is attorney James Thomas' son.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Auctioneer Ed on March 12, 2010, 07:46:37 PM
In reguards the DTM's post, the 2nd paragraph reads something to the effect of "Jim Thomas' job is to get criminals off the hook."
 
As a former law enforcement officer with several years of experience of investigating crimes and bringing people to justice, my opinion of what Criminal Defense Attornies are doing is:
"Their Job Is To Make Sure I've Done Mine!"
If law enforcement and prosecutors looked at the judicial system in that light, they would probably do better jobs done in arresting and prosecuting alleged offenders.
All accused are entitled to adequate defense counsel. That's the way our system works.
JMHO. 
 
Remembering this in considering the topic at hand....... maybe a defense guy/gal would make a better prosecutor than a family law guy/gal.
 
Just throwing that out for discussion.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 12, 2010, 10:28:29 PM
I don't think anyone should compare him with his dad or any other attorneys in the area.  He's brand new and maybe that's what this county needs.  Someone who is ready to push his sleeves up and work hard to make his reputation!  What better way to "cut his teeth," than to ride into Dodge and clean things up...


That is my point, irregardless of who his dad is. He's new, brand new...  He's inexperienced... FAR too inexperienced.  Being the prosecuting attorney is knowing when to plead some cases out and knowing what to take to trial.  And if he has to go to trial, knowing how to prepare for said trial.  An attorney practicing only 6 months does NOT have that experience at all. 

If he truly wants the position he needs to spend time as an assistant APA somewhere and learn.

Furthermore, those of us who've been here for a while know that Jim Thomas has a significant influence on his son.  And it's that influence I'm not willing to have inside the PA's office.

If you had ever worked inside a prosecutors office, you would not want a brand new attorney "cutting their teeth" in the top prosecutorial position, that is just a recipe for disaster. Especially if Wayne Gifford loses to him...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: pulaskiivoter on March 12, 2010, 11:23:09 PM
I do not believe, based on what I have hear, that Jeff Thomas would be able to be "on his own" and his dad would have a lot of influence.  I do not believe a person with six months of experience can get the job done, but I want to hear from him.  Does anyone know him and can get him on here like Garabrandt did?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on March 12, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
many of our past prosecutors have been new to the bar...so it certainly is not new to this county...good or bad, you all decide. I have no opinion on that...I do think that BB has a valid point about working for a prosecutor and learning the ropes.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 13, 2010, 03:33:58 PM
I do not believe, based on what I have hear, that Jeff Thomas would be able to be "on his own" and his dad would have a lot of influence.  I do not believe a person with six months of experience can get the job done, but I want to hear from him.

A factor to consider is that despite Jeff Thomas' lack of trial experience, he and his father, working together, pretty much blew Deborah Hooper away in a recent criminal trial despite her decades of experience.

Does anyone know him and can get him on here like Garabrandt did?

I do not know Jeff Thomas very well at all, but I run into him periodically in my work. If nobody else does, I will raise the issue with him.

I believe it would be much better if someone else does the inviting, however. He will believe -- correctly -- that an invitation by a news reporter to join a discussion site is an invitation to an online interview with thousands of people watching.

Those who have watched me for a while know that I don't generally do aggressive interview-style questioning of public officials here in these forums. I save that for private interviews or public candidate forums where people know they need to be prepared, and if they aren't, it's their fault.

But Jeff Thomas doesn't know that, and I am not sure I would accept if I were in his shoes if a reporter asked me.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 13, 2010, 03:41:35 PM
Auctioneer Ed is right. I'll stand by my statement because it's easier to understand and it's the way many (perhaps most) criminal defense attorneys think, but Auctioneer Ed is providing some important additional balance and nuance.

We live in a constitutional republic with checks and balances. Profit motivates many criminal defense attorneys; ideology, a desire to defend the defenseless, and a sense of "fair play" motivates others. But regardless of motive, the system works by ensuring that people accused of a crime get at least some level of legal representation, which is absolutely essential to democracy and justice, and that prevents police and prosecutors from running roughshod over people's constitutional rights.

In reguards the DTM's post, the 2nd paragraph reads something to the effect of "Jim Thomas' job is to get criminals off the hook."
 
As a former law enforcement officer with several years of experience of investigating crimes and bringing people to justice, my opinion of what Criminal Defense Attornies are doing is:
"Their Job Is To Make Sure I've Done Mine!"
If law enforcement and prosecutors looked at the judicial system in that light, they would probably do better jobs done in arresting and prosecuting alleged offenders.
All accused are entitled to adequate defense counsel. That's the way our system works.
JMHO. 
 
Remembering this in considering the topic at hand....... maybe a defense guy/gal would make a better prosecutor than a family law guy/gal.
 
Just throwing that out for discussion.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on March 13, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
My turn, the smart officer covers all bases in his case and has the needed info on each elelmet of the case to block the defense from using it to their advantage. Or as you put your case together play defense in your mind and locate the weak spots then do something about those spots. Make a SOLID case for submission and yes make sure you do not step on any civil rights of the defendent. Again make a SOLID case.
 
      JB
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 13, 2010, 04:17:40 PM
That is my point, irregardless of who his dad is. He's new, brand new...  He's inexperienced... FAR too inexperienced.  Being the prosecuting attorney is knowing when to plead some cases out and knowing what to take to trial.  And if he has to go to trial, knowing how to prepare for said trial.  An attorney practicing only 6 months does NOT have that experience at all. 

If he truly wants the position he needs to spend time as an assistant APA somewhere and learn.



What about a judge that never practiced as an attorney?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 13, 2010, 04:25:44 PM
What about a judge that never practiced as an attorney?

While this has happened in the past, it hasn't happened in a very very long time. In today's day and age, I wouldn't vote for a judge who's never practice either.

Attorneys who've has many years experience will take advantage of a beginning attorney.  I know I've seen it happen. It does not behoove us to put our county in that position.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 13, 2010, 04:34:40 PM
The question is that better than what we have now a do nothing with all that experience
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 13, 2010, 04:59:31 PM
It takes a lot to get me to publicly and openly take sides in a local election. I'm doing it with this post, and I expect I'm going to have some serious negative consequences as a result.
 
However, I can't see how things could possibly get any worse in the prosecutor's office in its relationship with me as a member of the media, so I guess I have nothing to lose by saying publicly what I've believed for a long time about Mrs. Hooper's utter inability even to do some of the most basic parts of her job.
 
That's not to say that I'm happy with either of Mrs. Hooper's opponents. I think most people familiar with the court system and the three candidates who are running (so far) realize that all three have issues. We do not have a perfect candidate out there.
 
Many of us would think the six-digit salary that the next prosecuting attorney will get from the county should attract good candidates. The simple fact is that it does not.
 
There are two reasons for that.
 
First, the best lawyers, even in rural area like this, are quite capable of earning far more in private practice. Well-qualified lawyers who decide to practice in rural areas have already decided they're going to take a big pay cut over what they could earn in a larger city. Only a relatively small number of them are going to want to take even more of a pay cut to be a county prosecutor.
 
Second, being the prosecutor comes with an incredible amount of crap, and nowhere near enough resources to handle it. Look at what Sheriff King has had to put up with from the public, from elected officials, and from a budget crisis that is completely beyond his control. Now add to that the issues involved in dealing with five city police departments, the sheriff's department, the state patrol, the conservation department (poaching) and numerous other agencies, and all the criminals they arrest, and you have a very high-stress job that many of the best lawyers believe isn't worth their time.
 
Since a massive pay raise for the prosecutor, who is already the county's highest-paid employee, isn't even remotely possible, what do we do next?
 
I have opinions -- strong opinions -- on Mrs. Hooper and Mr. Gifford. My opinions are based on many conversations over a four-year period with law enforcement personnel and I have yet to find a single law enforcement officer in this county who has an opinion of Mrs. Hooper that is positive, though some stay quiet to avoid trouble. If there is a policeman anywhere in this county who thinks Mrs. Hooper is doing a good job, I'd like to hear from that person and will be happy to interview him/her about why he/she likes Mrs. Hooper and thinks she's doing a good job.
 
And yes, Mrs. Hooper -- that is a challenge to you. Find somebody willing to endorse you who is wearing a police uniform and I'll interview him. I have a feeling I'll be waiting for a long time for Mrs. Hooper to produce even one person in law enforcement willing to go on the record with me in a sit-down interview to explain why the officer supports her work.
 
That means I already know how I will vote if Hooper vs. Gifford ends up being the choice in the general election, it won't be for the candidate I voted for last time, and that's not going to be a surprise to either of them.
 
I don't know Jeff Thomas and he deserves a chance to explain himself. I frankly don't yet know what I'm going to do in the Republican primary this fall if my choices are between him and Mrs. Hooper.
 
But put bluntly, I can't see how an inexperienced prosecuting attorney right out of a no-name law school in a different state whose father is a criminal defense attorney could possibly be any worse than what we have now.

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Post by: okie the thread killer on March 13, 2010, 05:21:02 PM
wow....
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 13, 2010, 05:24:26 PM
Right on Darrell  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: murfyzlaw on March 13, 2010, 05:28:15 PM
Thanks for your opinion Mr. Maurina, I share your opinion 1000%, I am waiting to hear more from her opponents.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 13, 2010, 06:06:53 PM
Darrell, I have to say that I agree with you 99%, with the exception of your last sentence.  Police officers will be very frustrated to deal with an inexperienced lawyer.  Hooper was inexperienced in criminal law when she was elected and I said it was a mistake then.  Hindsight is always 20/20.... even though sometimes it's nice to say "I told you so", :-) Please know I am just teasing.

I am not endorsing Wayne Gifford, I have very strong opinions on him myself, but if the choice is going to be only between those two... I will choose Gifford.  My personal opinions on the way he carries himself and interacts with the Judges etc. will have to be put aside.  Out of those two, Gifford, KNOWS the law.  That is one benefit he has going for him.  Out of all three, IF they are the only three.... I'm choking while I state this... Wayne Gifford is finally going to get my vote.

Hopefully we'll get another runner before the March 25th meet the candidates at East Elementary!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: igahmah at work on March 13, 2010, 06:12:10 PM
Good work Darrell.  I agree.  For the record, does anybody know how many prosecutions have resulted in a guilty verdict under Mrs. Hooper?  Does anybody know how many cases have not even made it to trial yet under Mrs.Hooper?  I don't know I'm just wondering if anybody has her record and can make it public on here.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 13, 2010, 06:13:55 PM
Good work Darrell.  I agree.  For the record, does anybody know how many prosecutions have resulted in a guilty verdict under Mrs. Hooper?  Does anybody know how many cases have not even made it to trial yet under Mrs.Hooper?  I don't know I'm just wondering if anybody has her record and can make it public on here.

Oh honey..... the stories I could tell you...  It's a BAD record, very bad.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: whatsnew on March 13, 2010, 06:15:52 PM
The best opinion I have ever seen from you Darrel. Thank you!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: whatsnew on March 13, 2010, 06:31:30 PM
I will never vote for Debra Hooper.. EVER.
I also will not vote for a son of a criminal defense lawyer for the prosecutors office..
If they ple a case, Is that fair?
Will Jim Thomas have more new clients then he could possibly represent because his son is our prosecutor?
This is far more serious when you add in the inexpierence factor.......
Not acceptable in my book..
So they leaves Mr. Gifford by default, unless someone else runs.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 13, 2010, 06:43:57 PM
I heard that the lawyers support Gifford to be prosecutor because he will press charges on every crime and everyone will have to hire lawyers to defend them.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on March 13, 2010, 06:55:30 PM
Darrell, I have to say that I agree with you 99%, with the exception of your last sentence.  Police officers will be very frustrated to deal with an inexperienced lawyer.  Hooper was inexperienced in criminal law when she was elected and I said it was a mistake then.  Hindsight is always 20/20.... even though sometimes it's nice to say "I told you so", :-) Please know I am just teasing.

I am not endorsing Wayne Gifford, I have very strong opinions on him myself, but if the choice is going to be only between those two... I will choose Gifford.  My personal opinions on the way he carries himself and interacts with the Judges etc. will have to be put aside.  Out of those two, Gifford, KNOWS the law.  That is one benefit he has going for him.  Out of all three, IF they are the only three.... I'm choking while I state this... Wayne Gifford is finally going to get my vote.

Hopefully we'll get another runner before the March 25th meet the candidates at East Elementary!!

Gifford is knows law very well and is good at his job...I realize he rubs some people the wrong way, but he does know the law.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on March 13, 2010, 07:03:39 PM
I heard that the lawyers support Gifford to be prosecutor because he will press charges on every crime and everyone will have to hire lawyers to defend them.
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The greater majority would have public defenders would be my guess.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: pulaskiivoter on March 13, 2010, 08:53:29 PM
Darrell, where did Jeff Thomas get his law degree?
Was't Gifford prosecutor once before?  Was he deelected or what?  If you were here then, how was he?
Darrell even if it were not outoud, does local law enforcement think any of the three would be better than the other?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 13, 2010, 10:59:49 PM
Darrell, where did Jeff Thomas get his law degree?

Cooley Law School in Michigan.

Was't Gifford prosecutor once before?  Was he deelected or what?  If you were here then, how was he?

He's been prosecutor more than once before, having been appointed to fill vacancies; if I understood what he told me recently, he was elected once but then defeated for re-election. What I know about his performance is secondhand and others are better qualified to comment.

Darrell even if it were not outoud, does local law enforcement think any of the three would be better than the other?

What I hear universally is "anybody but Hooper." Beyond that, I think different police chiefs and senior leaders have different opinions.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: luge on March 14, 2010, 04:40:13 AM
Wow, that was a good read. I like to see local media take stands on issues. You don't see that much anymore, so I applaud you for that, Darrell. I hope she does answer you. I would be interested in hearing her response.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on March 14, 2010, 05:30:33 AM
Prosecution/Prostitution..........Election/Erection
No matter what you call it someone is going to get screwed.....period.
JMHO  :poke:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 14, 2010, 06:15:20 AM
Well said Darrell!! How about getting us some case counts from last year.  Also how many of those cases were changes of venues to Pulaski County.  Why is there cases that have a change of venue out of Pulaski County that have had ZERO action on them since being filed in the new court?  And did she actually file about 300 cases in the last few weeks of the year to make up?   I was planning on putting together the case information but am no longer in the area with easy access to the Circuit Clerks. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 14, 2010, 11:08:39 PM
I'm not even sure why we're even talking about Hooper, surely everyone knows she wont be reelected right? I'm not even sure why she is running again. This election (as of right now) is between Gifford and Thomas.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: tpgunbiz on March 15, 2010, 08:11:40 AM
I absolutely Hate Gifford, but for the that reason Id vote for him to be  prosicuter, Hes Ruthless, he has no heart, and he has no respect for Judges. My ex sister in law used him in a disability case. he made such an ass out of himself the judge almost threw out the case. This was in St. Louis. He was also my adversary in a divorce case not too long later. he threatened to physically hit my ex wife..( He was her lawyer) for asking questions. He seems to me to be a hack lawyer, but he does know the law and he is a ruthless, heart less , Mean individual, who is what this county needs as a prosicuter. not some lazy ass wannabe . I think this may be his calling. He sure as hell has no other place as a lawyer. My vote will be for him as long as he uses his traits to further the counties betterment. He sucks as a humanitarian. He rules as an a$$hole that gets shit done.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 15, 2010, 03:46:19 PM
I absolutely Hate Gifford, but for the that reason Id vote for him to be  prosicuter, Hes Ruthless, he has no heart, and he has no respect for Judges. My ex sister in law used him in a disability case. he made such an ass out of himself the judge almost threw out the case. This was in St. Louis. He was also my adversary in a divorce case not too long later. he threatened to physically hit my ex wife..( He was her lawyer) for asking questions. He seems to me to be a hack lawyer, but he does know the law and he is a ruthless, heart less , Mean individual, who is what this county needs as a prosicuter. not some lazy ass wannabe . I think this may be his calling. He sure as hell has no other place as a lawyer. My vote will be for him as long as he uses his traits to further the counties betterment. He sucks as a humanitarian. He rules as an a$$hole that gets shit done.

Ok we share the same opinion.  The Judges dislike him a lot and I'm afraid that reputation won't help us as a county.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on March 17, 2010, 01:48:49 AM
My question is I went to her office today to find out what was going on with the guy who wrote me a bad check last July and all I found out was is last Friday he had court and the lady said all she knew was they pressed charges against him and I could not find out anymore since she was in court. So now what do i need to do? And why did they not contact me about him going to court on the check he wrote to me?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 17, 2010, 02:00:03 AM
Why is it her staff didn't know any more about it.  Hoops can't be the only source of information or does it make her feel important to be the only one who knows the answer.   We need to DEEM her unnecessary and take her off the ballot without a vote.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on March 17, 2010, 02:12:28 AM
I don't know why the lady didn't know more but I sure wish she would have known. But my biggest peeve is not being told about them setting him a court date because I want to know what is going on since it is my money that is being played with here.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 17, 2010, 02:31:37 AM
I don't know why the lady didn't know more but I sure wish she would have known. But my biggest peeve is not being told about them setting him a court date because I want to know what is going on since it is my money that is being played with here.

For the moment, let's set aside the issue of what can or should have happened with victim notification in a bad check case. Our prosecuting attorney may or may not have done things the way they should have been done.

But regardless of what she did or did not do, here's what you can do. Go to Casenet, which you can access here:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name)

Type in this guy's name. You'll find all the current or past criminal or civil cases he's ever had, unless they were dismissed for lack of prosecution. Your case will be among them, or ar least should be.

Once you have the case number, everything about the case is an open public record. Anybody can access it, including me as a member of the news media, and I do that on a regular basis. If the online docket doesn't answer your questions -- and it may not -- then go to the second floor of the courthouse to Circuit Court Clerk Rachelle Beasley's office and ask to see the case file paper documents. The court clerks may want to watch you while you read the case file, but it is your legal right as a citizen to review any case file.
 
The only reason your file might not be accessible would be if the judge still has it in the courtroom, or if the clerks haven't yet had time to put it back in the proper place. You might have to wait a few days, but all your questions should be answerable from the paper court file, and most of your questions should be answerable from the electronic records.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on March 17, 2010, 02:35:19 AM
thank you i will do that since it isnt on casenet yet.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 17, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
thank you i will do that since it isnt on casenet yet.

Kathy is the case showing in CaseNet at all?  If it is not in CaseNet there have been no charges filed unless the accused is a minor. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on March 17, 2010, 02:18:50 PM
he is no minor and no it isnt showing up on casenet at all, all i know is the secretary in hoopers office said they went to court last friday and that they preseed charges on him for the bad check since it was for 800.00. if he had wrote a check for 500.00 or less he would have only gotten a fine. still makes no sense at all to me.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: igahmah at work on March 17, 2010, 10:46:12 PM
We had a return check at the fireworks stand that the church runs in July 2004, we just got payment for it last month.  I know there are other more important things for the office to do but I just think that is an extremely long time to wait for a bad check to be resolved.  I'm surprised it didn't just drop off the records in 5 years.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 17, 2010, 10:58:36 PM
Any you would think bad checks would be a priority because some of the fees go back to the prosecutors office.  Where I was before funded an investigator and a staff person JUST on collection of bad check fees.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Just_a_Biker on March 17, 2010, 11:42:34 PM
There was a time here that the only thing that DID get prosecuted was bad checks...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on March 18, 2010, 01:29:25 PM
Biker, I LOVE your signature line! It fits at nearly EVERY level of Government.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Just_a_Biker on March 18, 2010, 03:44:38 PM
Biker, I LOVE your signature line! It fits at nearly EVERY level of Government.

Thanks Jax!  I remember studying Roman history in HS and thinking (way back then!), "wow, that's America".  People don't think it could ever happen to us, but that's just their arrogance talking, because far greater nations have fallen in the past.  I'm happy with how most of our Congressmen in Missouri conduct business, the governor, those in Federal politics and some things at the local level are a completely different story...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 20, 2010, 03:54:53 PM
Kathy sent you a PM.  It's there.....they just spelled his name wrong. lol
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 20, 2010, 04:09:04 PM
does anyone know if these three will be at the meet the candidates night on the 25th?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on March 20, 2010, 05:22:22 PM
I believe that meet the candidate night is for school board candidates only.  The Chamber and the Senior centers do some later in the summer for the August/November election.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 20, 2010, 06:05:00 PM
awww see that serves me right for only reading the big bold print and not the little print. hahaha going too fast all the time for small print. LOL
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on March 30, 2010, 10:08:07 PM
I filed for prosecutor today and welcome any questions folks may have about what my plans are, who I am, my experience, why I want the job etc.  I hope to have my website up and running tonight.
 
Thanks,
Kevin Hillman
Candidate for Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on March 30, 2010, 10:10:28 PM
Welcome aboard my son!!!!!
 
          JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 30, 2010, 10:11:48 PM
Pulaski County Web endorses Kevin Hillman for Prosecuting Attorney.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 30, 2010, 10:12:21 PM
Let me know when you have a link.


I filed for prosecutor today and welcome any questions folks may have about what my plans are, who I am, my experience, why I want the job etc.  I hope to have my website up and running tonight.
 
Thanks,
Kevin Hillman
Candidate for Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 30, 2010, 10:25:07 PM
Pulaski County Web endorses Kevin Hillman for Prosecuting Attorney.

I'm writing this not to criticize or disagree with Rick, just to note that Rick Lepard and I run separate businesses. Some people don't know that and are going to come across this post and assume that Rick speaks for me or that I speak for Rick.

My only endorsement in this race, at least so far, is a negative one ... almost anyone would be better than the incumbent prosecutor, Deborah Hooper. I've written about my reasons previously on this thread.

Ms. Hooper needs to be gone. Whether Kevin Hillman, Jeff Thomas or Wayne Gifford would be best to replace her is a legitimate question for voters to review in the next few months.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 30, 2010, 10:31:45 PM
I filed for prosecutor today and welcome any questions folks may have about what my plans are, who I am, my experience, why I want the job etc.  I hope to have my website up and running tonight.
 Thanks,
Kevin Hillman
Candidate for Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney

Others will ask lots of questions so I'll leave the obvious ones (i.e., why do you want the job, why vote for you and not your opponents) to others. I'll be asking those things later in a formal interview closer to the Republican primary in August.

But here are some more specialized questions others probably won't ask.

Question 1: Please describe your understanding of the Missouri Sunshine Law and how, if elected prosecutor, you will handle city councils, school boards, the county commission, and other government agencies that you believe are violating it.

Question 2: Sheriff JB King appears to have already endorsed you on this board and even more clearly on the "other board." Please outline your relationship with local law enforcement agencies, how you will treat requests from them to file charges, and how you will handle situations where you do not believe the police officer or deputy has given you enough in the probable cause statement to file a credible charge against an alleged offender.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on March 30, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
"""""Question 2: Sheriff JB King appears to have already endorsed you on this board and even more clearly on the "other board." Please outline your relationship with local law enforcement agencies, how you will treat requests from them to file charges, and how you will handle situations where you do not believe the police officer or deputy has given you enough in the probable cause statement to file a credible charge against an alleged offender."""""
 
 
           As a sheriff you are filed on for lawsuits all the time. Many are strange cases, types of legal actions you have never heard about etc. Mr. Hillman, a fellow Republican, has been very kind to me over the past three years to provide sound legal advice on these actions without cost to me or the county. Some of these consults have taken a lot of time. So yes I am happy to see him in the race. I have a very high opinion of him as a person and as a lawyer.
 
              JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 30, 2010, 11:20:41 PM
Kevin Hillman has my vote unequivocally!!!!!  I was on pins and needles today waiting to hear if we had an additional candidate! :-) I was very glad when I heard.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on March 30, 2010, 11:25:23 PM
Now we have another alternative to eliminate Hooper in the primary - THAT IS FANTASTIC
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Racer on March 31, 2010, 01:15:06 AM
I filed for prosecutor today and welcome any questions folks may have about what my plans are, who I am, my experience, why I want the job etc.  I hope to have my website up and running tonight.
 
Thanks,
Kevin Hillman
Candidate for Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney

Thank you Kevin for filing.  You have the support of our family.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on March 31, 2010, 03:27:58 AM
I'm writing this not to criticize or disagree with Rick, just to note that Rick Lepard and I run separate businesses. Some people don't know that and are going to come across this post and assume that Rick speaks for me or that I speak for Rick.

My only endorsement in this race, at least so far, is a negative one ... almost anyone would be better than the incumbent prosecutor, Deborah Hooper. I've written about my reasons previously on this thread.

Ms. Hooper needs to be gone. Whether Kevin Hillman, Jeff Thomas or Wayne Gifford would be best to replace her is a legitimate question for voters to review in the next few months.
OMG DTM!  I do not remember you EVER being so "political" to the point of voicing such strong opposition.  I darn near fell off my chair. 

After reading the questions you've poised to Kevin Hillman, I am really hoping that you'll be able to post questions to the Candidates right here on PCW!  I can tell you I will be looking forward to such a thread!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 31, 2010, 03:41:30 AM
so do we need to create a new thread for questions for candidates?  Since this was kinda a "bash on Hooper" thread.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 31, 2010, 04:05:23 AM
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Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on March 31, 2010, 04:12:04 AM
Here are my answers to Darrell's questions.  Sorry for the delay, my girls had a soccer game tonight.  My oldest scored 2 goals any my youngest had an assist!

Others will ask lots of questions so I'll leave the obvious ones (i.e., why do you want the job, why vote for you and not your opponents) to others. I'll be asking those things later in a formal interview closer to the Republican primary in August.

But here are some more specialized questions others probably won't ask.

Question 1: Please describe your understanding of the Missouri Sunshine Law and how, if elected prosecutor, you will handle city councils, school boards, the county commission, and other government agencies that you believe are violating it.

I deal with the Sunshine Act on a daily basis in my capacity as city attorney for St. Robert.  Basically, everything is an open record/open meeting unless it deals with very specific exceptions.  The main ones that we deal with on a daily basis are personnel issues, pending litigation, and real estate purchases/sale/leases. 

I would try and advise each of the boards of the rules of the Sunshine Act to help with compliance.  Keep in mind that the prosecutor is the attorney for the county commission, but each city and school board has their own separate attorney to advise them.  I will have to be careful not to interfere their attorney's advice.  If it is a serious violation, one that I think was knowing and purposeful, then criminal charges may be appropriate.  That would be reviewed on a case by case basis.

Question 2: Sheriff JB King appears to have already endorsed you on this board and even more clearly on the "other board." Please outline your relationship with local law enforcement agencies, how you will treat requests from them to file charges, and how you will handle situations where you do not believe the police officer or deputy has given you enough in the probable cause statement to file a credible charge against an alleged offender.

I believe that I have a good relationship with the local law enforcement agencies.  I have worked very closely with St. Robert PD and have worked with the Waynesville PD as well.  I have also gotten to know many in the Sheriff's Department and I am very proud that Sheriff King has expressed his support so strongly.  I have not worked with the police departments in Crocker, Richland, and Dixon as much because I have been in St. Robert.  However, I think I am a pro police prosecutor.  What I mean by that is I am here for them.  If they need to call me in the middle of the night to ask me a questions, that is fine with me.  I would rather them get it right, instead of trying to fix the screw up later.  I also am here to try and make their lives easier.  I will do everything in my power to try and take their viewpoint into account.  There are times when the prosecutor and police will disagree.  But, if I tell them why and explain it, then we both come out ahead.  I plan on filing all charges that warrant being filed.  If it does not meet the standard that I set, which is that I am convinced that the case is solved, then I'll ask for more investigation and explain why.  The prosecutor is charged with not just winning every case, but seeking justice. 

I hope that answers your questions!

Kevin
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on March 31, 2010, 04:17:29 AM
After reading the questions you've poised to Kevin Hillman, I am really hoping that you'll be able to post questions to the Candidates right here on PCW!  I can tell you I will be looking forward to such a thread!!

Oh, I think you'll be looking forward much more to questions other people ask. I can interview candidates whenever I want. It's what reporters do. The benefit of the Pulaski County Web is that it allows the average Joe and average Jane to question people in public about why they think they should be elected.

OMG DTM!  I do not remember you EVER being so "political" to the point of voicing such strong opposition.  I darn near fell off my chair. 

It takes a lot for me to take a stance such as what I did, and am doing, with the current prosecutor.

Read between the lines of something Sheriff King said but didn't say and perhaps cannot say -- the county prosecutor, who is supposed to be the county's attorney, wasn't doing her job of providing him legal counsel in lawsuits, but instead the St. Robert city attorney had to donate lots of his time for free to help the sheriff in cases where she was not doing her job. Now multiply that problem with numerous other examples of problems in the prosecutor's office that I see regularly in my work, and add in the frustrations of virtually every senior-level law enforcement official in this county, and you'll see why I wrote what I did.

It takes a great deal for me to take a strong public stance on an elected official who I need to cover. That involves serious risks to my ability to do my job, and it also is usually unwise for many other reasons. But in this case, because the work the prosecutor does largely involves things that are not common knowledge to the general public, I believe the public good demands that I speak up about what I have seen and what police tell me that they have seen.

You didn't see me talking this way about Tony Crismon, or Dennis Thornsberrry, or JT Roberts, or any of the other people who have been targets on this board. And you won't see me talking this way about Jeff Thomas or Wayne Gifford or Kevin Hillman -- a reasonable person with full awareness of the facts could reasonably conclude that any of those three people would make a good prosecutor, though some may be better than others.

Deborah Hooper is an entirely different category.

The primary purpose of the prosecuting attorney is to protect the public by putting criminals behind bars to take dangerous people out of society, or making them pay fines high enough to punish them for bad conduct and deter them from similar future conduct. When the prosecutor loses the confidence of the police, the prosecutor can no longer be effective.

As I said before, if Ms. Hooper can find any police officer in Pulaski County who is willing to endorse her and go on the record in an interview with me explaining why the officer believes Ms. Hooper is doing a good job, I would love to interview that officer.

Most of our local police will keep quiet in public and not openly attack the prosecutor, and that's probably the right thing to do. But that very silence speaks volumes -- generally police are very supportive of the prosecutor because they believe the prosecutor is doing everything possible to help the police put bad guys behind bars.

I think I will be waiting a long time for that interview.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on March 31, 2010, 04:19:08 AM
Oh, I think you'll be looking forward much more to questions other people ask. I can interview candidates whenever I want. It's what reporters do. The benefit of the Pulaski County Web is that it allows the average Joe and average Jane to question people in public about why they think they should be elected.

It takes a lot for me to take a stance such as what I did, and am doing, with the current prosecutor.

Read between the lines of something Sheriff King said but didn't say and perhaps cannot say -- the county prosecutor, who is supposed to be the county's attorney, wasn't doing her job of providing him legal counsel in lawsuits, but instead the St. Robert city attorney had to donate lots of his time for free to help the sheriff in cases where she was not doing her job. Now multiply that problem with numerous other examples of problems in the prosecutor's office that I see regularly in my work, and add in the frustrations of virtually every senior-level law enforcement official in this county, and you'll see why I wrote what I did.

It takes a great deal for me to take a strong public stance on an elected official who I need to cover. That involves serious risks to my ability to do my job, and it also is usually unwise for many other reasons. But in this case, because the work the prosecutor does largely involves things that are not common knowledge to the general public, I believe the public good demands that I speak up about what I have seen and what police tell me that they have seen.

You didn't see me talking this way about Tony Crismon, or Dennis Thornsberrry, or JT Roberts, or any of the other people who have been targets on this board. And you won't see me talking this way about Jeff Thomas or Wayne Gifford or Kevin Hillman -- a reasonable person with full awareness of the facts could reasonably conclude that any of those three people would make a good prosecutor, though some may be better than others.

Deborah Hooper is an entirely different category.

The primary purpose of the prosecuting attorney is to protect the public by putting criminals behind bars to take dangerous people out of society, or making them pay fines high enough to punish them for bad conduct and deter them from similar future conduct. When the prosecutor loses the confidence of the police, the prosecutor can no longer be effective.

As I said before, if Ms. Hooper can find any police officer in Pulaski County who is willing to endorse her and go on the record in an interview with me explaining why the officer believes Ms. Hooper is doing a good job, I would love to interview that officer.

Most of our local police will keep quiet in public and not openly attack the prosecutor, and that's probably the right thing to do. But that very silence speaks volumes -- generally police are very supportive of the prosecutor because they believe the prosecutor is doing everything possible to help the police put bad guys behind bars.

I think I will be waiting a long time for that interview.

Wow..... very good post Darrell, very impressive!!!  I know LE likes Mr. Hillman. :-)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 31, 2010, 05:39:05 AM
I filed for prosecutor today and welcome any questions folks may have about what my plans are, who I am, my experience, why I want the job etc.  I hope to have my website up and running tonight.
 
Thanks,
Kevin Hillman
Candidate for Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney

Glad you are in Kevin!  I heard rumors back in the summer that you were going to run and then had about lost hope. lol. 

If I am still a resident of the County on election day you have my vote. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 31, 2010, 05:39:37 AM
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Thanks for suggesting him Rick.  Made that easy for me to add. lol
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on March 31, 2010, 11:33:03 AM
Kevin has my support as well as that of my family and friends. You have to look no further for a person who is more qualified, caring about the public safety, and loyal to the law enforcement personnel. It has been a disaster the last three years and Kevin will have a mess to clean up.

Make no mistake, if you are on the wrong side of what is right you will pay a heavy price with Kevin Hillman as our Prosecutor. He is above repproach and will make this County safe.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Auctioneer Ed on April 01, 2010, 01:05:22 PM
When I first started working as a Gate Guard at Ft Wood, I came into contact with an individual trying to drive through the South Gate, rather intoxicated! Mr Hillmann was Trial Counsel (Prosecutor) at the time. The subject was found that this was his 5th DWI between 2 states. Mr Hillmann & I ended up in US District Court in Springfield, where the subject was indicted by the Grand Jury, based on evidence presented by Mr Hillman and some testimony from me. This Subject should still be in jail for "Felony DWI"
 
This is my personal experience with Kevin as a Prosecutor! Just facts! Who are you going to support, now?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on April 01, 2010, 04:37:27 PM
Not sure I understand.   The judge  and/or jury didn't do their job because??
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: JuneBug67 on April 01, 2010, 05:41:33 PM
He has my vote!  This past summer I was having a lot of problems with some certian boys, I am sure many of you my remember, he was the reason it was put to a stop.  REALLY FAST!!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on April 03, 2010, 12:22:55 AM
Not sure I understand.   The judge  and/or jury didn't do their job because??

No, actually I think everyone did their jobs in that case.  As this case happened on Fort Leonard Wood, it went to the Federal Grand Jury for an idictment for felony DWI.  The Grand Jury indicted this individual based on Auctioneer Ed's testimony.  This individual was on probabtion from the State of Missouri for other cases, which was revoked and he was sent to Missouri state prison for 10 years if I remember.  He then entered a plea of guilty in Federal Court to felony DWI and received a Federal prision sentence that was consecutive to the Missouri sentence.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on April 03, 2010, 03:36:02 AM
I know I can say I am disappointed in her because I went back over to talk to them about the check that was wrote to me, the lady in the office went to the back and said yes they went to court on my check and was pressing charges so I said then someone made a 300.00 mistake because on casenet it stated he went to court on a 500.00 or less passing bad checks and the lady said so what is the problem so I laughed and said I could see if the check he wrote me was for 500.00 but it wasn't she looked at me so strange and said what do you mean so I said the check he wrote to me was for 800.00 not 500.00 that is when I got told a new lady was taking over the cases and they would all have to get together and find out what is going on and they would call me and still to this day still no phone call. All I know it is really starting to tick me off because if it were me to have written a bad check I would probably have a good fine to pay and time to be served. They need to learn to talk to one another in that office and learn to give out the right information and stop beating around the bush and when they say they will call you then they should do it! 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: igahmah at work on May 03, 2010, 03:33:33 PM
I plan on voting for Kevin Hillman but he is going to have to get his name out there more if he expects to win.  I see a kazillion signs out there for Thomas and Hooper.  I see very few signs for Hillman.  And some people vote according to name recognition.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 03, 2010, 03:46:56 PM
I am sure Mr. Hillman is working on it but in his defense he has a full-time job and can't just go out and put up signs all day.  Mrs. Hooper has a husband that's retired that can do it and Jeff Thomas, well .... I'm not sure if he's worked anywhere but his dad's law firm since he passed the bar in October so I'm sure he's got plenty of time as well.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 03, 2010, 03:48:40 PM
I dont see why anyone would vote for thomas-a kid 1 year maybe out of law school.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on May 03, 2010, 05:34:06 PM
The problem over the years is that some people think they have a status of "privileged ownership" over certain elected offices within County (and to a lesser degree City) government, or we the people have elected some outright disasters to office. Bottom line is election time is a time for reflection, review, and accountability. Not renewal of incompetence or a proving ground for the unproven and inexperienced.

Tough questions need to start being posed to those running for office during public venues and by the media instead of the watered down and sugar-coated type of questions that are recycled year after year. Moderators and the local media need to stop with the patty-cake approach, and put the candidates to the test publically with as much vigor locally as is done on the national scene. Counting on your church group or father to get you into office is not a campaign, its a crutch that will not hold the weight inthe public forum.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on May 03, 2010, 05:46:09 PM
Kevin has signs out.  He also has past prosecutorial experience while in the Army.  He worked for a law firm locally and then became the St. robert City Attorney adn was recently appointed Municipal Judge at Waynesville.
this has been over a period of years and he was my next door neighbor so I learned much from talking to him. I intend to vote for  him in this election.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 03, 2010, 06:00:43 PM
Hooper is gone in August.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 03, 2010, 06:31:27 PM
I will have more signs out this weekend.  We have been working west to east.
 
Kevin
 
I plan on voting for Kevin Hillman but he is going to have to get his name out there more if he expects to win.  I see a kazillion signs out there for Thomas and Hooper.  I see very few signs for Hillman.  And some people vote according to name recognition.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 03, 2010, 07:13:51 PM
I suppose we could ask for a debate between the three parties. Getting some to agree may be difficult.  Normally that only happens after you have the two party candidates.

If those are in favor of this type of thing I will try and set it up.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on May 03, 2010, 07:16:13 PM
Like the idea myself.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 03, 2010, 08:15:27 PM
Ok it's in the works. I will contact all parties and invite them to participate. :-) I have already contacted a more than qualified person to be a non-bias moderator.  He is not local and has many many many years of legal experience in all sides of the law, so I'm sure he knows the tough questions that need to be asked.

Now how does this work as far as Gifford.  His primary is uncontested... is he invited... not invited?

I would think that local questions should be asked too.... not just only ones the moderator suggests. 


I am going to guess though that this is not going to happen.  I think there are some who will decline to participate.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 03, 2010, 08:36:02 PM
I'm in for the debate.  Just let me know the time and place.  Also, you can ask me questions here anytime.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on May 03, 2010, 08:39:17 PM
How do you get spagetti sauce stains off a white shirt once it has been washed and dryed and set in already?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 03, 2010, 08:42:02 PM
How do you get spagetti sauce stains off a white shirt once it has been washed and dryed and set in already?

Also are there certain types or brands of sauce that come out easier than others?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 03, 2010, 08:45:53 PM
I refer such questions to my wife, as I am the expert at getting the stain on the shirt, not off.  I should have said questions about the prosecutor's race.  Thanks for calling me on that Taz:)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 03, 2010, 09:35:25 PM
How do you get spagetti sauce stains off a white shirt once it has been washed and dryed and set in already?

spray n wash dual action works great.... i was quite amazed. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on May 04, 2010, 12:36:21 AM
Where do you find the spagetti?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on May 04, 2010, 12:55:21 AM
Where do you find the spagetti?

lol JB...my own self, I always buy spaghetti
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: DerekW on May 04, 2010, 01:34:27 AM
Kevin,
Our neighborhood could use a couple of your signs!  Our location is simple, almost directly across I-44 from the VFW.  Your opponent has one out there all by itself...so come on now!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 04, 2010, 03:00:04 AM
Speaking of spaghetti and eating, you are all invited to my campaign kick-off dinner, the information is below:
 
Everyone is invited to a campaign kick-off dinner to support Kevin Hillman for Pulaski County Prosecutor.
 
Saturday May 15, 2010
6:00 pm to 8:00 pm
Pulaski County-Fort Wood Shrine Club
26920 Shrine Road (off Hwy 17 South)
Buckhorn, MO
 
Chicken and Roast Beef Dinner provided and a cash bar is available
Special Guest Speaker: Sheriff JB King
 
Please contact Allie Hillman at 573-336-0709 or alliehillman@gmail.com to RSVP
 
Contributions suggested but not required
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 04, 2010, 01:15:29 PM
DerekW,

I am happy to bring some out.  I sent you a PM for addresses so they are not broadcast to the public.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin,
Our neighborhood could use a couple of your signs!  Our location is simple, almost directly across I-44 from the VFW.  Your opponent has one out there all by itself...so come on now!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on May 04, 2010, 02:01:06 PM
Can you drop off some signs at the Shrine Club? We were talking about that this weekend, if there were some there we could pick up and put up at our homes
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 04, 2010, 04:49:46 PM
I am now taking suggested questions for the Prosecutorial debate.  The moderator will have final say in which questions are selected.

Please submit questions to blissfullybusy@yahoo.com

I will be sending out formal invitations to the candidates as soon as I can find a place to hold the debate.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on May 04, 2010, 07:30:24 PM
Ask each candidate how many times they have been questioned for over billing hours on legal aid cases?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 04, 2010, 08:08:54 PM
.....
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 05, 2010, 02:59:36 AM
Ask each candidate how many times they have been questioned for over billing hours on legal aid cases?

I have never been questioned over this.  In fact, I have not taken legal aid cases.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 11, 2010, 02:30:41 AM
Have the venue set and the moderator is booked now........

do you think Friday night or Saturday morning would be better?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Just_a_Biker on May 11, 2010, 12:13:18 PM
I'm in for the debate.  Just let me know the time and place.  Also, you can ask me questions here anytime.

I, as well as others, have asked several questions on the K2 thread that have gone unanswered.
http://pulaskicountyweb.com/smf/index.php?topic=21555.new#new (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/smf/index.php?topic=21555.new#new)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on May 11, 2010, 12:46:16 PM
Have the venue set and the moderator is booked now........ do you think Friday night or Saturday morning would be better?

Blissfully, If you want maximum attention to what the candidates say, you want the media present.

I have a complete calendar of every government meeting and other major event in the county. Before a final date is set, it might be helpful to give me a phone call, and to make a similar phone call to Gary Knehans of KJPW/KFBD Radio to avoid conflicts with sporting events, since I don't track sports schedules. Between the two of us, we can probably alert you to any major schedule conflict that would deter public participation and/or prevent us from attending.

Additionally, a call to Alan Gerstenecker of the Waynesville Daily Guide and Steve Smith of the Pulaski County Mirror would be a good idea. The timing may be critical for Alan if its on a Friday night because if the debate runs too late he can't get back to put the paper out by his deadline.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on May 11, 2010, 04:58:39 PM
DerekW,

I am happy to bring some out.  I sent you a PM for addresses so they are not broadcast to the public.

Thanks,
Kevin


Kevin,

Derek is my husband. You can bring his sign, along with those you were to bring me, to my office.

A Brand New Day: A.C.T. Now!!
107 B Historic Rte 66 E.
Waynesville

Next to Dr. Phil's place.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 12, 2010, 03:23:20 AM
 
I, as well as others, have asked several questions on the K2 thread that have gone unanswered.
http://pulaskicountyweb.com/smf/index.php?topic=21555.new#new (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/smf/index.php?topic=21555.new#new)

Your questions about the K2 ban are a question about why should or can the government control what consenting adults want to ingest.  I am not a complete libertarian so my opinion is yes, the government can in a limited manner control what consenting adults ingest.  Let me explain why I come to that conclusion.  I have spent over a decade working in courtrooms prosecuting and defending criminal cases.  My guess is somewhere between 75-80% of crime committed is a result of a chemical dependency or a mental condition.  All of this property crime that is occurring in this county (burglary, break-ins, shoplifting etc) is because criminals are stealing so they can afford to buy another hit of heroin or another round of meth.  It is really sad to see what someone will do to feed their addiction.  Yes, I realize that alcohol has many of the same evils, but prohibition was tried and was a complete disaster.  Is it a perfect solution, no, but it is what the law says.

Therefore, as prosecutor, I intend on prosecuting drug crimes aggressively and fairly.  Many of these folks needs to be sent to prison, many need to be sent to rehab, some to both.  If the State outlaws K2 which seems likely, I'll prosecute those who break the law.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 12, 2010, 03:26:02 AM
Kevin,

Derek is my husband. You can bring his sign, along with those you were to bring me, to my office.



A Brand New Day: A.C.T. Now!!
107 B Historic Rte 66 E.
Waynesville

Next to Dr. Phil's place.

 
I'll try and bring them by tomorrow.  You are on the list, I promise!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on May 12, 2010, 03:48:42 AM

 
I'll try and bring them by tomorrow.  You are on the list, I promise!
Kevin I'll take one if you bring it to me  ;D
Just go out the back gate and head south (958 miles) until you reach the Gulf of Mexico then turn east and drive to Navarre Beach..... Honk and I'll come out and get it.  ###$$#@!   ***(((*    :wink1a:   :wink1a:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 12, 2010, 04:14:27 AM
Kevin I'll take one if you bring it to me  ;D
Just go out the back gate and head south (958 miles) until you reach the Gulf of Mexico then turn east and drive to Navarre Beach..... Honk and I'll come out and get it.  ###$$#@!   ***(((*    :wink1a:   :wink1a:



Can I put it next to the oil slick?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on May 12, 2010, 05:12:06 AM

Can I put it next to the oil slick?
Oil slick?? What oil slick ???
Thats a Hoax started by the democrats to keep the yankees out of the south and converting to the republican party ***(((*   :th_gen129:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on May 12, 2010, 05:03:51 PM

 
I'll try and bring them by tomorrow.  You are on the list, I promise!

No prob! I will be there after 2PM but leave them at the door if I am not there. See you saturday at your dinner.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Just_a_Biker on May 12, 2010, 11:47:44 PM

Your questions about the K2 ban are a question about why should or can the government control what consenting adults want to ingest.  I am not a complete libertarian so my opinion is yes, the government can in a limited manner control what consenting adults ingest.  Let me explain why I come to that conclusion.  I have spent over a decade working in courtrooms prosecuting and defending criminal cases.  My guess is somewhere between 75-80% of crime committed is a result of a chemical dependency or a mental condition.  All of this property crime that is occurring in this county (burglary, break-ins, shoplifting etc) is because criminals are stealing so they can afford to buy another hit of heroin or another round of meth.  It is really sad to see what someone will do to feed their addiction.  Yes, I realize that alcohol has many of the same evils, but prohibition was tried and was a complete disaster.  Is it a perfect solution, no, but it is what the law says.

Therefore, as prosecutor, I intend on prosecuting drug crimes aggressively and fairly.  Many of these folks needs to be sent to prison, many need to be sent to rehab, some to both.  If the State outlaws K2 which seems likely, I'll prosecute those who break the law.

Nearly 2 months ago I asked several questions, and have repeated those questions occasionally over the past 6+ weeks and still no answers.  We differ on the law itself, no big deal I'd be just as happy to challenge it in court as you would be to defend it.  However, you still have not answered the remainder of the questions posed on the thread.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 13, 2010, 03:41:20 AM
Nearly 2 months ago I asked several questions, and have repeated those questions occasionally over the past 6+ weeks and still no answers.  We differ on the law itself, no big deal I'd be just as happy to challenge it in court as you would be to defend it.  However, you still have not answered the remainder of the questions posed on the thread.

I have looked at the post I am not sure what you want me to answer as I am not the one who votes on the law.  I merely enforce it.  Do I agree with your assertions that this is big daddy government, no I do not.  Is it Constitutional, yes I believe it is.  Can this be enforced, yes just like any other drug offense.  Was this the right thing to do, yes it was.  Did anyone come and speak out against either Waynesville or St. Robert banning this stuff?  Not a single person.

I am all about limited government, but the one place government is permitted to act and should act is protecting law and order.  Does that mean we need a police state, absolutely not.  I have proudly defended folks whose rights were violated and will continue to do so.  But, drugs and the problems they bring are not about a consenting adult choosing to enjoy a smoke on Saturday night.  They are about the heroin addict I ran into today who was arrested for the 4th time trying to get into Wal-Mart to steal.  He'll move onto someone's house so he can steal something to get some money to buy some more heroin.  He is just that hooked, and will stop at nothing to get more.  I have also been in jail talking to a client who was busted for meth and about to lose his daughter, who meant everything to him.  I'll let you imagine the anguish he felt.  It took several rounds of rehab and jail but last time I ran into him he was clean.  He is the exception.  For many of them, it is a revolving door.

I am not trying to preach and I know we disagree, but K2, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. are bad things.  I'll throw alcohol in there.  It's not just the people who use who are the victims, it is the innocent guy driving home who gets hit by someone whose drunk, high, stoned or whatever.  Or it is my client's daughter, who had to go to foster care because mom and dad were both in prison because of meth.  K2 is bad stuff, just ask the inventor who called smoking it like Russian Roullette.  The K2 ban was the right thing to do not so much for the users, but for the innocent folks who get in their way.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Racer on May 13, 2010, 03:55:56 AM
I have looked at the post I am not sure what you want me to answer as I am not the one who votes on the law.  I merely enforce it.  Do I agree with your assertions that this is big daddy government, no I do not.  Is it Constitutional, yes I believe it is.  Can this be enforced, yes just like any other drug offense.  Was this the right thing to do, yes it was.  Did anyone come and speak out against either Waynesville or St. Robert banning this stuff?  Not a single person.

I am all about limited government, but the one place government is permitted to act and should act is protecting law and order.  Does that mean we need a police state, absolutely not.  I have proudly defended folks whose rights were violated and will continue to do so.  But, drugs and the problems they bring are not about a consenting adult choosing to enjoy a smoke on Saturday night.  They are about the heroin addict I ran into today who was arrested for the 4th time trying to get into Wal-Mart to steal.  He'll move onto someone's house so he can steal something to get some money to buy some more heroin.  He is just that hooked, and will stop at nothing to get more.  I have also been in jail talking to a client who was busted for meth and about to lose his daughter, who meant everything to him.  I'll let you imagine the anguish he felt.  It took several rounds of rehab and jail but last time I ran into him he was clean.  He is the exception.  For many of them, it is a revolving door.

I am not trying to preach and I know we disagree, but K2, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. are bad things.  I'll throw alcohol in there.  It's not just the people who use who are the victims, it is the innocent guy driving home who gets hit by someone whose drunk, high, stoned or whatever.  Or it is my client's daughter, who had to go to foster care because mom and dad were both in prison because of meth.  K2 is bad stuff, just ask the inventor who called smoking it like Russian Roullette.  The K2 ban was the right thing to do not so much for the users, but for the innocent folks who get in their way.

Great post.    :{:{:    :th_gen129:    ***(**&    ###$%%^&
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: DerekW on May 13, 2010, 06:14:42 AM

My guess is somewhere between 75-80% of crime committed is a result of a chemical dependency or a mental condition.  All of this property crime that is occurring in this county (burglary, break-ins, shoplifting etc) is because criminals are stealing so they can afford to buy another hit of heroin or another round of meth.  It is really sad to see what someone will do to feed their addiction.  Yes, I realize that alcohol has many of the same evils, but prohibition was tried and was a complete disaster.  Is it a perfect solution, no, but it is what the law says.

Therefore, as prosecutor, I intend on prosecuting drug crimes aggressively and fairly.  Many of these folks needs to be sent to prison, many need to be sent to rehab, some to both.  If the State outlaws K2 which seems likely, I'll prosecute those who break the law.

Is there any REAL chance of getting a drug court in Pulaski County? If I am not mistaken the courts did a pilot drug court in Texas County.
 
oops~ this is Jax. I just happen to be on Derek's computer at the moment. :sleepy1a:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 13, 2010, 12:40:01 PM
Kevin... you made a blanket statement "I am not trying to preach and I know we disagree, but K2, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. are bad things." and that concerns me.  Cocaine is used by Physicians.  One use is to for numbing, so that a broken nose can be fixed.  Have you had a cancer ridden family member vomit excessively, cry out in pain?  Marijuana HAS medicinal properties, has LESS side effects than the "legal" meds used, yet I watched my Father die, and am presently watching another family member suffer, because of blanket statements like that from our Legislators.  Educate yourself about the truths concerning these drugs........
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 13, 2010, 01:04:19 PM
Kevin... you made a blanket statement "I am not trying to preach and I know we disagree, but K2, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. are bad things." and that concerns me.  Cocaine is used by Physicians.  One use is to for numbing, so that a broken nose can be fixed.  Have you had a cancer ridden family member vomit excessively, cry out in pain?  Marijuana HAS medicinal properties, has LESS side effects than the "legal" meds used, yet I watched my Father die, and am presently watching another family member suffer, because of blanket statements like that from our Legislators.  Educate yourself about the truths concerning these drugs........

You are confusing a prosecutor with legislators.  The prosecutor only enforces the laws that are made, he/she doesn't make the laws.  If you want to change the law then call the people who change them. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 13, 2010, 01:35:11 PM
Kevin... you made a blanket statement "I am not trying to preach and I know we disagree, but K2, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. are bad things." and that concerns me.  Cocaine is used by Physicians.  One use is to for numbing, so that a broken nose can be fixed.  Have you had a cancer ridden family member vomit excessively, cry out in pain?  Marijuana HAS medicinal properties, has LESS side effects than the "legal" meds used, yet I watched my Father die, and am presently watching another family member suffer, because of blanket statements like that from our Legislators.  Educate yourself about the truths concerning these drugs........

I was referring to illegal uses of drugs, not ones prescribed by a physician.  I am not a legislator, only a prosecutor, so I enforce the laws not make them. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 13, 2010, 03:20:03 PM
Marijuana isnt bad and its clogging up our prison systems.  Almost every other country in the world has legalized marijuana.  America couldnt even begin to tax it so it stays illegal.  It better than presription meds and most definitly alchohol.  Yet alchohol gets a pass because its taxable.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on May 13, 2010, 03:34:14 PM
While i agree that pot is not the worst thing we could have legalized, Almost every country in the world HAS NOT legalized it. In fact, most countries have stiffer laws than us concerning possestion and sales. Most of Eurpope is is a major crime to be cought with it. The only country to try to legalize it was Holland , but they went too far and legalized other drugs too, and it really back fired on them and now, it is illegal in Holland also.
But I do agree that the government should take over the control of production, and sales, similar to tobacco, and alcohol, but then the agency would be have to be called ATF and POT or PATF or ATFP or FATP
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on May 13, 2010, 03:40:54 PM
Is there any REAL chance of getting a drug court in Pulaski County? If I am not mistaken the courts did a pilot drug court in Texas County.
 
oops~ this is Jax. I just happen to be on Derek's computer at the moment. :sleepy1a:

bump......please answer, I believe that the prosecutor is the right person to ask about this since i don't currently have the ear of a judge.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 13, 2010, 03:44:37 PM
While i agree that pot is not the worst thing we could have legalized, Almost every country in the world HAS NOT legalized it. In fact, most countries have stiffer laws than us concerning possestion and sales. Most of Eurpope is is a major crime to be cought with it. The only country to try to legalize it was Holland , but they went too far and legalized other drugs too, and it really back fired on them and now, it is illegal in Holland also.
But I do agree that the government should take over the control of production, and sales, similar to tobacco, and alcohol, but then the agency would be have to be called ATF and POT or PATF or ATFP or FATP

I think the main problem with legalized marijuana would be the fact that if it was sold in stores like ciggarettes, people could grow it themselves cheaper and distribute it.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 13, 2010, 04:00:30 PM
bump......please answer, I believe that the prosecutor is the right person to ask about this since i don't currently have the ear of a judge.

I believe they have or are seeking a grant for a drug court like the one that exists in Texas County.  So yes, they are working on it as far as I know.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on May 13, 2010, 04:02:20 PM
Thank you.....I have been hearing that for 3 years now but I am not expecting that you can do anything about it. I just believe that it would be really helpful for this county
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 13, 2010, 04:09:29 PM
Kevin, while I am WELL aware you are not a Legislator, I have to sit back and wonder....how aggressive will you be at prosecuting someone with a small amount of marijuana, who is suffering from cancer, MS, AIDS, etc?  These are things that need to be considered.

Marijuana is illegal for two reasons... first and foremost, the pharmaceutical companies can't make money on it, and two, our Government hasn't figured out how to make money on it, because it is such an easy plant to grow.  If, I had to do over again... the hell with what was legal, I would have done my best to obtained it for my Father's comfort during his passing.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 13, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
Kevin, while I am WELL aware you are not a Legislator, I have to sit back and wonder....how aggressive will you be at prosecuting someone with a small amount of marijuana, who is suffering from cancer, MS, AIDS, etc?  These are things that need to be considered.

Marijuana is illegal for two reasons... first and foremost, the pharmaceutical companies can't make money on it, and two, our Government hasn't figured out how to make money on it, because it is such an easy plant to grow.  If, I had to do over again... the hell with what was legal, I would have done my best to obtained it for my Father's comfort during his passing.

I have never prosecuted, nor have I seen someone prosecuted, for the situation you describe.  Again, medical situations are not what I was talking about.  I am talking about the drug users who are victimizing the people in this county.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: littlebit on May 13, 2010, 05:10:54 PM
I am well aware that hard drugs cause alot of crimes, but I am curious to see what percentage of crimes Marijuana users cause. (Other than being caught with the substance.)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 13, 2010, 05:13:23 PM
Rofl, do marijuana users even leave their houses, except to grab some munchies?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 13, 2010, 06:08:04 PM
Excellent answer Kevin, but I do feel you need to know (in your heart and mind), how you will go forward in such a situation.  Just because you haven't prosecuted, nor seen prosecution for such a thing, reality is.... it can very well happen.  In the State of Missouri, there is NO medicinal marijuana....it is illegal to possess, or grow it.  There have been people prosecuted for possession/growing of marijuana, who used it for medicinal purposes.  Google John Wilson of New Jersey, a Multiple Sclerosis patient. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7170696 (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7170696)
Google Peter McWilliams, Jonathan Magbie, paraplegic James Montgomery... use your resources and find out how many people are still in prison for possession of marijuana, who had serious conditions such as cancer, AIDS, MS, etc.  You may be surprised to find out they were prosecuted for possession of marijuana, they were using as medication.  Yes, people have been, and still are being prosecuted for MEDICINAL marijuana.  Think about it Kevin, because you will be the one to decide how aggressive such cases will be handled here.

I'm sorry, but I've personally seen the suffering... I am presently seeing the suffering, and it nauseates me to see such injustices, because the pharmaceutical companies can't line their filthy pockets off the backs of seriously ill people. 

I agree, we have to get drugs such as Meth off the streets, and I applaud all the effort our PD has put into accomplishing this, but is it in the best interest, financially, of our community, to go after non-violent/non-victimizing crime of medicinal marijuana possession/growing?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 13, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
The problem is if its illegal, its illegal plain and simple, once someone gets away with using or possesing for medicinal purposes it opens pandoras box for anyone to claim medicinal use or possesion. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Happy Family on May 13, 2010, 06:43:02 PM
Kari, I know Kevin Hillman and I think I can tell you 2 things about him that may ease your concerns regarding this situation.
#1 Kevin is smart enough to know better than to publicly post that he wouldn't aggressively prosecute medicinal marijuana use. Whether he would or he wouldn't, he knows better than to post it. There are people out there with serious drug problems who are already searching for easy ways to get out of trouble. They are desperate enough to claim anything.
#2 Kevin has a family and knows the pain he would feel to watch any of them go through something so horrific as the pain often associated with cancer.  I am not claiming to know what he would do or that he won't prosecute the law, just that he can be a compassionate person when compassion is what is necessary for that particular situation.
 
He has my vote.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 13, 2010, 06:56:08 PM
Kari, I know Kevin Hillman and I think I can tell you 2 things about him that may ease your concerns regarding this situation.
#1 Kevin is smart enough to know better than to publicly post that he wouldn't aggressively prosecute medicinal marijuana use. Whether he would or he wouldn't, he knows better than to post it. There are people out there with serious drug problems who are already searching for easy ways to get out of trouble. They are desperate enough to claim anything.
#2 Kevin has a family and knows the pain he would feel to watch any of them go through something so horrific as the pain often associated with cancer.  I am not claiming to know what he would do or that he won't prosecute the law, just that he can be a compassionate person when compassion is what is necessary for that particular situation.
 
He has my vote.

Very well put!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 13, 2010, 08:54:26 PM
I am not making my decision based on my question, but I am most interested in HOW each candidate answers such difficult questions.

I am aware that the Prosecutor DOES have the right to make recommendations to the Judge, also has the right to determine IF a case is such, that it warrants prosecution.  I have watched Prosecutors "drag their legs" on cases, as I'm sure many of you have also witnessed, while rushing to get others listed on the docket.

I believe this race is going to be one of the more interesting ones, and I look forward to hearing each candidate's views.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on May 13, 2010, 10:36:52 PM
The problem is if its illegal, its illegal plain and simple, once someone gets away with using or possesing for medicinal purposes it opens pandoras box for anyone to claim medicinal use or possesion. 

Aren't there, already, a whole host of drugs that are illegal if you don't have a prescription ?  So whats the difference?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: taximan on May 14, 2010, 02:20:44 PM
I have done alot of reading on this thread, and just finally getting around to throwing in my two cents, so here it goes:
 
As it is painfully obvious, this thread has been an anti Hooper thread.  That being said, I've read things from evidence being lost on an arson case, to not prosectuing somebody who wrote an 800 dollar bad check.  I've read how this board supports Kevin Hillman and how even the sheriff endorses him, which is wierd because he is probably not supposed to have an opinion and support the current prosecutor, but that is probably a different subject for a different time.
 
My point is this:  No matter who gets elected, they will obviously inheret the case load that Hooper will undoubtly leave behind.  After the honeymoon period is over, and everyone is done congradulating each other on a job well done of getting elected, that's when the preasure will be and then whomever it is in the seat will be catching the same flack (sp?) as the current prosecuter does. Bottom line, nobody will ever be completly happy with whoever it is, especially when it something that involves them personally.
 
BTW, after doing some thinking, if somebody writes a bad check for a large amount, they get prosecuted, and do the time that it requires, what good does it do the person?  Aren't they stil out of the money anyway?  Just something that I randomly thought about.
 
I look foward to whatever responses, both positve and negative, come from my post.
 
God bless everyone of you.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on May 14, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
I have done alot of reading on this thread, and just finally getting around to throwing in my two cents, so here it goes:
 
As it is painfully obvious, this thread has been an anti Hooper thread.  That being said, I've read things from evidence being lost on an arson case, to not prosectuing somebody who wrote an 800 dollar bad check.  I've read how this board supports Kevin Hillman and how even the sheriff endorses him, which is wierd because he is probably not supposed to have an opinion and support the current prosecutor, but that is probably a different subject for a different time.
 
My point is this:  No matter who gets elected, they will obviously inheret the case load that Hooper will undoubtly leave behind.  After the honeymoon period is over, and everyone is done congradulating each other on a job well done of getting elected, that's when the preasure will be and then whomever it is in the seat will be catching the same flack (sp?) as the current prosecuter does. Bottom line, nobody will ever be completly happy with whoever it is, especially when it something that involves them personally.
 
BTW, after doing some thinking, if somebody writes a bad check for a large amount, they get prosecuted, and do the time that it requires, what good does it do the person?  Aren't they stil out of the money anyway?  Just something that I randomly thought about.
 
I look foward to whatever responses, both positve and negative, come from my post.
 
God bless everyone of you.


    I am sure the rumor about Kevin stems from the fact I will be speaking at his dinner party tomorrow night. For the record I made the same speech offer to both of the other REPUBLICAN PA candidates. I have also said that Kevin has assisted me with legal matters that concern the sheriff for the past several years and his advice has been very welcome.

         JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ShowmeHillbilly on May 14, 2010, 04:29:12 PM
Great Question Kari!!
I know I hate to see people using marijauana just because they want to and yes it is illegal. And there are FAR more harmful drugs out there that they are taking! I cant even imagine wanting to put drano or any other mixture of meth into my body. How it doesnt kill them is beyond me. But... I also suffer from MS, RSD (Reflex Sympothetic Dystrophy wich is a constant pain in the nerves of your body that NEVER goes away!) I have had a neck fusion at c6-c7 that never healed corectly due to the fact I was never sent home in a neck brace for the weeks it needed to heal correctly. I has bad scar tissue and demylination right on that area. I have disk degenerative disease and a herniated disk at L1 & L2 that an operation wont help that keeps me in pain when I try and stand to do dishes and sweeping the floor?? I cant even explain how that feels. They recently found 2 leaking valves in my heart as well. Cause by the stress I put myself thru and maybe a littel to do with all of the drugs I used to take for 4 years to try and ease my pain. I took up to 6 percocet (that were prescribed before I got any affect from it because I was on it so long). I am severaly allergic to morphine (stopped my heart) and to demoral! So I have no other drug to take but toradol that helps but doesnt take away the pain. My back teeth are rotten from taking the percocet for so long. My dentist asked why and I had to explain that I was allergic to the other drugs that they could have switched me to. It has torn up my stomach in the process, messed up my digestive system and has costed me I couldnt tell you how many dollar for those drugs. So... I had to stop taking them, requesting them and now jsut try and meditate on the pain. It makes me angry and aggitated and I hate that cause it has changed me as a person living with all of this. I have fibromyalgia on otp of it and to look at me.. I look great and try to keep myself that way in a battle to not let the disease take me!
My doctor told me that if he could give me medical marijana he would! Said it was cheaper, easier on my body all together, a Natuarlly grown herb placed here by god adn all the man made laboratory medicine is NOT going to help me but harm me!
Now what am I do to?  I am divorced now and live on 818..00 a month with a 1,900.00 spendown every 6 months BEFORE medicaid will step in. This means with the currant medicines I take,it costs me 186.00 a month for my meds a month. (no pain meds involved just ones to deal with the depression I suffer because of the pain and the anti anxiety meds im on to calm my nerves to help ease the pain) I have rent, electric,, water, phone, cable,  internet, (anddon go there ,I have no other money to even get out and enjoy life so internet and cable is NEEDED) I have car insurance (mandaded by the state if Not I go to jail and pay dearly that they dont deduct when trying to get help) and I pay life insurance premium on me that is term (somebody has to bury me) and i pay for my 2 kids and grandsons life insurance (who's gonna bury them if I dont?) I also have to buy food, clothes, personal items and feed my dog who is my companion.
What is the answer for this Mr. David Day (you are our representative who was against this) on what I can do?
I have NO family who have the money to help me at all. I have no husband, partner or friends who are capable. Why is an herb, that  helps with pain, calms your nerves and relaxes you that does not cost so much to obtain so bad for our people in this condition? why isnt it available to us?
I believe that if your family member or child for that matter suffered as I do, and right now my right arm by my elbow and up to my shoulder hurts so bad I cant even shift my car, and Im right handed  and it is now going into my neck and head and down my leg! I hurt so bad went to ER and they took xray and nothing wrong with the bone. they said it was an advanced condition due to my MS! I now have to start all over with Drs. to find a way to get help because I have moved to a new state that the help is worse! 
I could use this naturally grown herb to HELP me not HURT me! and it would be so much cheaper!
They dont get violent, they dont kill people when they drive, and it isnt meth, cocaine or any other type drug!
Maybe the government instead of giving bail outs should use that money to help the people who need it to continue to pay and support your federal drug administration?!
I wouldnt wish what I am going thru on my worst enemy! I truely wouldnt and there are more who are suffering more than I with diseases and cancer and etc. and cant find help that is needed with a drug that can do it! Maybe that is why God has it here?? That is why it grows here? It can be regulated! You regulated cigarettes and beer and drugs!! No its not perfect but you did it. This can be the same!


Excellent answer Kevin, but I do feel you need to know (in your heart and mind), how you will go forward in such a situation.  Just because you haven't prosecuted, nor seen prosecution for such a thing, reality is.... it can very well happen.  In the State of Missouri, there is NO medicinal marijuana....it is illegal to possess, or grow it.  There have been people prosecuted for possession/growing of marijuana, who used it for medicinal purposes.  Google John Wilson of New Jersey, a Multiple Sclerosis patient. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7170696 (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7170696)
Google Peter McWilliams, Jonathan Magbie, paraplegic James Montgomery... use your resources and find out how many people are still in prison for possession of marijuana, who had serious conditions such as cancer, AIDS, MS, etc.  You may be surprised to find out they were prosecuted for possession of marijuana, they were using as medication.  Yes, people have been, and still are being prosecuted for MEDICINAL marijuana.  Think about it Kevin, because you will be the one to decide how aggressive such cases will be handled here.

I'm sorry, but I've personally seen the suffering... I am presently seeing the suffering, and it nauseates me to see such injustices, because the pharmaceutical companies can't line their filthy pockets off the backs of seriously ill people. 

I agree, we have to get drugs such as Meth off the streets, and I applaud all the effort our PD has put into accomplishing this, but is it in the best interest, financially, of our community, to go after non-violent/non-victimizing crime of medicinal marijuana possession/growing?
 
If there is a prosecuting attorney who is willing to look into this or have an opinion about it that is the one I will be voting for!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: hfpd1835 on May 27, 2010, 07:46:07 PM
over 2 years ago I had a firearm stolen by someone who had already been convicted of felony assult. It was recovered within 48 hours by the PCSD with a confession and the location of the firearm from the person who stole it. I was told it would take a week or 2 to process and we would be able to recover it, next we were told it had been sent to the crime lab and would take a month or so , next we were told it would be 6 months , six months later we were told it still wasnt back , six months after that we were told the same. after a new evidence officer took ove we were told that our firearm had NOT been at the crime lab he had just taken it up himself. The prosicutor told us she wasnt going to file untill it came back from the crime lab with his fingerprints on it so she could get a conviction, Now her office wont even return our calls and are just giving us the run around and wont even tell us whats going on with the case if there is even a case. so much for that whole crime victims bill of rights thing , guess that only applies OUTSIDE of Pulaski County.
 
Since everyone else seems to be asking questions of Kevin let me throw one out there :
      Is prosecuting repeat offenders who are on probation for violent crimes a priority for you , and do you feel that you can get convictions with a confession even if you dont have fingerprints ?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 27, 2010, 08:12:57 PM
Great Question Kari!!
I know I hate to see people using marijauana just because they want to and yes it is illegal. And there are FAR more harmful drugs out there that they are taking! I cant even imagine wanting to put drano or any other mixture of meth into my body. How it doesnt kill them is beyond me. But... I also suffer from MS, RSD (Reflex Sympothetic Dystrophy wich is a constant pain in the nerves of your body that NEVER goes away!) I have had a neck fusion at c6-c7 that never healed corectly due to the fact I was never sent home in a neck brace for the weeks it needed to heal correctly. I has bad scar tissue and demylination right on that area. I have disk degenerative disease and a herniated disk at L1 & L2 that an operation wont help that keeps me in pain when I try and stand to do dishes and sweeping the floor?? I cant even explain how that feels. They recently found 2 leaking valves in my heart as well. Cause by the stress I put myself thru and maybe a littel to do with all of the drugs I used to take for 4 years to try and ease my pain. I took up to 6 percocet (that were prescribed before I got any affect from it because I was on it so long). I am severaly allergic to morphine (stopped my heart) and to demoral! So I have no other drug to take but toradol that helps but doesnt take away the pain. My back teeth are rotten from taking the percocet for so long. My dentist asked why and I had to explain that I was allergic to the other drugs that they could have switched me to. It has torn up my stomach in the process, messed up my digestive system and has costed me I couldnt tell you how many dollar for those drugs. So... I had to stop taking them, requesting them and now jsut try and meditate on the pain. It makes me angry and aggitated and I hate that cause it has changed me as a person living with all of this. I have fibromyalgia on otp of it and to look at me.. I look great and try to keep myself that way in a battle to not let the disease take me!
My doctor told me that if he could give me medical marijana he would! Said it was cheaper, easier on my body all together, a Natuarlly grown herb placed here by god adn all the man made laboratory medicine is NOT going to help me but harm me!
Now what am I do to?  I am divorced now and live on 818..00 a month with a 1,900.00 spendown every 6 months BEFORE medicaid will step in. This means with the currant medicines I take,it costs me 186.00 a month for my meds a month. (no pain meds involved just ones to deal with the depression I suffer because of the pain and the anti anxiety meds im on to calm my nerves to help ease the pain) I have rent, electric,, water, phone, cable,  internet, (anddon go there ,I have no other money to even get out and enjoy life so internet and cable is NEEDED) I have car insurance (mandaded by the state if Not I go to jail and pay dearly that they dont deduct when trying to get help) and I pay life insurance premium on me that is term (somebody has to bury me) and i pay for my 2 kids and grandsons life insurance (who's gonna bury them if I dont?) I also have to buy food, clothes, personal items and feed my dog who is my companion.
What is the answer for this Mr. David Day (you are our representative who was against this) on what I can do?
I have NO family who have the money to help me at all. I have no husband, partner or friends who are capable. Why is an herb, that  helps with pain, calms your nerves and relaxes you that does not cost so much to obtain so bad for our people in this condition? why isnt it available to us?
I believe that if your family member or child for that matter suffered as I do, and right now my right arm by my elbow and up to my shoulder hurts so bad I cant even shift my car, and Im right handed  and it is now going into my neck and head and down my leg! I hurt so bad went to ER and they took xray and nothing wrong with the bone. they said it was an advanced condition due to my MS! I now have to start all over with Drs. to find a way to get help because I have moved to a new state that the help is worse! 
I could use this naturally grown herb to HELP me not HURT me! and it would be so much cheaper!
They dont get violent, they dont kill people when they drive, and it isnt meth, cocaine or any other type drug!
Maybe the government instead of giving bail outs should use that money to help the people who need it to continue to pay and support your federal drug administration?!
I wouldnt wish what I am going thru on my worst enemy! I truely wouldnt and there are more who are suffering more than I with diseases and cancer and etc. and cant find help that is needed with a drug that can do it! Maybe that is why God has it here?? That is why it grows here? It can be regulated! You regulated cigarettes and beer and drugs!! No its not perfect but you did it. This can be the same!

Sorry for your problems but I just wanted to say Marijuana cant be regulated anyone can grow it themselves they cant tax it so its not legal end of story.  Your better off just breaking the law and smoking it anyway.  possesing under 35 grams is a misdemeanor with a fine at the worst.  Just find someone who smokes it (there are a ton of people that do that you wouldnt ever think) and get some to illeviate your problems.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 27, 2010, 08:52:35 PM

Sorry for your problems but I just wanted to say Marijuana cant be regulated anyone can grow it themselves they cant tax it so its not legal end of story.  Your better off just breaking the law and smoking it anyway.  possesing under 35 grams is a misdemeanor with a fine at the worst.  Just find someone who smokes it (there are a ton of people that do that you wouldnt ever think) and get some to illeviate your problems.
That is it in a nut shell....they can't figure out how to make money from making it legal, so make it illegal and you can collect court fees, fines, and funds for your prisons to house all those "horrible" marijuana users/growers/suppliers.

I really hope David Day takes the time to REALLY study how medicinal marijuana helps people who need it, discard those that just want it for recreational use and wane illness/disease, see those that are suffering and will continue to suffer, because our Powers that Be, here in Missouri, feel there are alternatives.  Learn what the side effects are of those legal alternatives, research how many people can not use those legal alternatives (like listening), then sit back and figure out WHY you would not do all in your power to help those people by supporting legislation to legalize medicinal marijuana.  All of our Legislators should sit back, and ask themselves why they would rather someone suffer, possibly end up with a criminal record, then to allow them to make an informed choice as to their treatment.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 27, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
It also prudent to note that pharmacutical companies pay hospitals and other huuuuuge amounts of money so their "legal" drugs (that are ten times more addicting and harmful) are the go to's when making the decision on which drugs are to be sold.  I also wouldnt be suprised if they are behind the scenes making sure stuff like medicinal marijuana doesnt get passed. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 27, 2010, 10:53:14 PM
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/bills/hb1670.htm (http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/bills/hb1670.htm)  May 14th, 2010, Missouri HB 1670, for medicinal marijuana, did make it to Committee.....
The list of Committee members are listed here http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/commit/com170.htm (http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/commit/com170.htm)

Now it will be a matter of seeing if it dies in Committee (no hearing date has been set), or if our Legislators actually do their research on the benefits of medicinal marijuana, and discard the old myths/propaganda the pharmaceutical companies, and our previous Government agencies have passed on for decades.

Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ~kathy~ on May 27, 2010, 11:27:46 PM

 
BTW, after doing some thinking, if somebody writes a bad check for a large amount, they get prosecuted, and do the time that it requires, what good does it do the person?  Aren't they stil out of the money anyway?  Just something that I randomly thought about.
 

I went over again the other day and finally found out a new lady had taken over the bad check department and I told her I hadn't heard a thing from anyone and was tired of hearing others say they would find out something and give me a call so she went and got the file herself and seen the guy who wrote me the bad check had not made 1 payment the judge told him to do so it may take me longer to get my money back out of the guy who wrote the check but i don't care next month he will be going to jail for 90 days for not doing as he was told so maybe when he gets out this time he will start making the payments to pay off the check if not he will go back to jail, makes no difference to me how long it takes to get my money but this way this guy is finding out i am not going to be push around anymore and i am going to go to court that day he gets locked up just so i can be there and smile at him so he will see while i am out being able to do things the honest way he will be upset because now he wont be able to spend the summer with some people he wanted to be with all would have been avoided if he had just taken care of the bad check in the first place instead of thinking he was a big shot whom no one would ever bring down.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on May 28, 2010, 04:25:43 AM
over 2 years ago I had a firearm stolen by someone who had already been convicted of felony assult. It was recovered within 48 hours by the PCSD with a confession and the location of the firearm from the person who stole it. I was told it would take a week or 2 to process and we would be able to recover it, next we were told it had been sent to the crime lab and would take a month or so , next we were told it would be 6 months , six months later we were told it still wasnt back , six months after that we were told the same. after a new evidence officer took ove we were told that our firearm had NOT been at the crime lab he had just taken it up himself. The prosicutor told us she wasnt going to file untill it came back from the crime lab with his fingerprints on it so she could get a conviction, Now her office wont even return our calls and are just giving us the run around and wont even tell us whats going on with the case if there is even a case. so much for that whole crime victims bill of rights thing , guess that only applies OUTSIDE of Pulaski County.
 
Since everyone else seems to be asking questions of Kevin let me throw one out there :
      Is prosecuting repeat offenders who are on probation for violent crimes a priority for you , and do you feel that you can get convictions with a confession even if you dont have fingerprints ?

Yes, repeat and violent offenders are an absolute priority.  I am at the Municipal Judge's Conference right now and we were discussing the difference between someone who screws up once, learns their lesson, and goes on with life.  Then there are the people who do not learn and the second time around need to be put away for as long as possible, to protect society. 

As to the confession question, you can not convict solely on a confession alone.  However, as long as there is some other evidence of the crime, then the confession is a powerful piece of evidence to use against the criminal.  Not knowing all of the facts except what you told me, it seems to me to be enough to go forward with a case.

Your post brings up something else that I have been hearing a lot of from people as I go around the county.  That is the customer service at the Prosecutor's Office is lousy.  Rudeness, not returning calls, telling you different things each time, and blaming law enforcement are not something I will tolerate in my office.

I hope that answers your questions, let me know if it did not.

Thanks,
Kevin
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on May 28, 2010, 04:37:05 AM
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Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on May 28, 2010, 04:37:43 AM
we really need a like button here, lol
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 28, 2010, 05:28:21 AM
Formal invitations have been sent out today to all candidates running for the Prosecuting Attorney of Pulaski County.

This event will be held at the Parker Fine Arts building at the Waynesville Middle School, July 16, 2010 at 6:00 p.m.

Please submit questions that you would like to ask the candidates to blissfullybusy@yahoo.com. They will be reviewed by an impartial moderator and chosen at random at the event.

Any questions, please feel free to contact me via private message.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: David Day on May 28, 2010, 12:31:33 PM
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/bills/hb1670.htm (http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/bills/hb1670.htm)  May 14th, 2010, Missouri HB 1670, for medicinal marijuana, did make it to Committee.....
The list of Committee members are listed here http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/commit/com170.htm (http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills101/commit/com170.htm)

Now it will be a matter of seeing if it dies in Committee (no hearing date has been set), or if our Legislators actually do their research on the benefits of medicinal marijuana, and discard the old myths/propaganda the pharmaceutical companies, and our previous Government agencies have passed on for decades.



That bill is dead, bills that are killed in the Speakers Office are almost always assigned to a committee on the last day of session.  This one was assigned the same day we adjourned for this session.

I will admit, I have "moved" a little on this issue, as I do recognize that every drug out there (at least almost every drug) has medical use if handled correctly.  The problem that this bill, and others that have been filed in Missouri have, is they are for the most part based on the CA law where you can smoke pot if you have a headache.  I have visited with legislators in CA about the issue (research) and most will tell you that it is out of control.

This bill pretty well says that anyting that causes pain is a reason to get a script, there are almost no restrictions on usage other than you can't use it on school grounds, on a public bus, etc...unless a designated usage area is set up.  Nothing would stop someone from driving down the interstate while using it according to what I read in the bill text.  It also opens the door to use medical marijuana as a defense in other illegal acts (instead of the devil made me do it...).  I am not an attorney, but it was actually an attorney in the legislature who supports medical marijuana that point that one out to me.  This bill also reaches into the employee/employer relationship without spelling out restrictins I think need to be included.  Do we want a guy on the interstate smoothing pavement who just finished his treatment for pain in his leg?

Lastly, this bill also requires a permit be bought to have this as a drug (would be legal under this bill).  I don't believe anyone that is given a script for a legal drug should have to buy a permit, it should be handled like any other drug.

If the advocates of medical marijuana get serious about making it legal for true medical purposes, I will take a look at it with an open mind.  The reason I have opposed the legislation in the past is simply because they are like this one, pretty well opens the door for it to be prescribed for almost any reason.  The use of the term "severe pain" is pretty open ended, most of you ladies would tell us guys that we don't know what "severe pain" is :)
 
I just think this bill, and the ones that have been filed like it in the past are too open ended.  As I said, if someone files a serious bill dealing with the issue, I am more than happy to look at it with an open mind.

Dave
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 28, 2010, 01:28:25 PM
David, I have to say that I am happy to read your post that you have "moved" on this subject!!!  I do remember that not that long ago you felt there were other medications that could be used, and this new post shows that you HAVE stepped back and given the use of medicinal marijuana a fresh look with open eyes!!!!!!

I do agree with the vagueness of the bill.  Prescribing medicinal marijuana, because someone has a hangnail, and feels the pain is severe is NOT the proper use of this medication.  As for headaches, I do not believe you are talking about "cluster headaches" that some people do suffer from, and I've discovered (though my research of medicinal marijuana) does respond well to medicinal marijuana.  A plain old headache, is not a cause for medicinal marijuana!  Conditions that medicinal marijuana would be prescribed for should be MEDICALLY DOCUMENTED conditions, not just at the whim of the patient or Doctor.  Unfortunately, I do know some unscrupulous Doctors that would prescribed medicinal marijuana just for the almighty greenback, and "patients" that really want it for recreational purposes.

I also agree that a patient prescribed a medication, should not have to pay for a permit to have their medication, and I applaud you for bringing up that point.  Why should a patient suffering from a condition be "penalized" for having that condition?!  How many of our Senior Citizens are already pinching pennies just to pay co-payments for their medications now.

Medicinal marijuana should have the same restrictions that other pain-killers have, no driving, work restrictions, etc.  I know myself, I will NOT get behind a steering wheel, if I am on pain medication (except Excedrin), because I realize my senses are not up to par (due to the med and possibly the pain).  I'm in that situation right now, due to my recent surgery.  Yes, it's a bummer having to depend on others, BUT I'm looking out for myself and others.....better a little dependent, than spending a lifetime of being sorry!

I really am thrilled that you've opened your eyes, hopefully, a Bill will be written (you may help with that) that can pass and help all those that are presently suffering.  As I said, if I were able to do it over, yes... I would have broken the law to obtain marijuana for my Father, to ease his pain during his dying process.  That is a regret that I must live with.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: littlebit on May 28, 2010, 01:31:21 PM
Do we want a guy on the interstate smoothing pavement who just finished his treatment for pain in his leg?

What is stopping the same guy from taking Percocets, or Vicodens?
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: David Day on May 28, 2010, 02:00:19 PM

What is stopping the same guy from taking Percocets, or Vicodens?
 

If a person wants to do that, nothing stops it now (anyone can pop a pill without anyone seeing them), however those medications normally have restrictions on them that the employee/boss work around.  They likely would not be allowed on heavy equipment while using certain drugs.  This bill, in the way it is written, actually prevents the boss from making restrictions in the minds of many legal folks, and I agree that the argument could be made.  I believe the intent is to keep the boss or company from discriminating against someone using it, but because of the vague wording it could prevent any restrictions from being put on the worker.

Dave
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: littlebit on May 28, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
If a person wants to do that, nothing stops it now (anyone can pop a pill without anyone seeing them), however those medications normally have restrictions on them that the employee/boss work around.  They likely would not be allowed on heavy equipment while using certain drugs.  This bill, in the way it is written, actually prevents the boss from making restrictions in the minds of many legal folks, and I agree that the argument could be made.  I believe the intent is to keep the boss or company from discriminating against someone using it, but because of the vague wording it could prevent any restrictions from being put on the worker.

Dave

So, if the same restrictions were on the prescribed Marijuana that were on other prescribed meds (narcotics) would you be more apt to legalize it?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: David Day on May 28, 2010, 02:11:56 PM

So, if the same restrictions were on the prescribed Marijuana that were on other prescribed meds (narcotics) would you be more apt to legalize it?

As I said, if a number of issues were addressed, many of which I spelled out above, I would look at it with an open mind.

Dave
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: igahmah at work on May 28, 2010, 03:01:05 PM
I will never take Percoset again.  Took three in a 24 hour time period last weekend and was sicker than a dog!!!!  Bring on the marijuana.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 28, 2010, 03:03:20 PM
Its clear to me after reading this thread some people dont REALLY know the effects of marijuana.  Its not a pain reliever, you still feel pain you just dont care, your lazy and hungry most of the time.  That is the effects of marijuana.  Your  lucky if people actually even leave their house to do something if they have smoked. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on May 28, 2010, 03:34:30 PM
Dude, that's all a good thing.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 28, 2010, 04:03:44 PM
Dude, that's all a good thing.

Thats what Im saying!!!! (http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/new/Smoking/smoking-red-eyes-009.gif) (http://www.smileyshut.com/Smileys/Smiley-Huts-Free-Smoking-Smileys.html)Movies 2010 (http://www.trailershut.com/movies-2010.html)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 28, 2010, 05:03:25 PM
Its clear to me after reading this thread some people dont REALLY know the effects of marijuana.  Its not a pain reliever, you still feel pain you just dont care, your lazy and hungry most of the time.  That is the effects of marijuana.  Your  lucky if people actually even leave their house to do something if they have smoked. 
Actually, you're wrong.  With Multiple Sclerosis, and some other conditions, there's something called spacisity,  which can be EXTREMELY painful and disabling.  Medicinal marijuana works better, and is safer than baclofen to relax the spastic muscles.  Normal muscle relaxers do not work on this kind of neurological condition.  Though the dosage of medicinal marijuana varies, it's normally a very small amount and does not cause the "don't care, lazy, hungry" feeling you spoke of.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: igahmah at work on May 28, 2010, 07:20:11 PM
I do know the effects of marijuana (came of age in the age of Aquarius, Love, Sex and Rock and Roll) and if I was in severe pain and possibly the last stages of my life I would take the marijuana in a heartbeat.  We are talking about people who can't leave their house anyway because of pain, people who have lost their appetites because of illness, you are just making a good argument for marijuana for medicinal purposes. 
 
 
Its clear to me after reading this thread some people dont REALLY know the effects of marijuana.  Its not a pain reliever, you still feel pain you just dont care, your lazy and hungry most of the time.  That is the effects of marijuana.  Your  lucky if people actually even leave their house to do something if they have smoked. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 28, 2010, 08:48:18 PM
im not against it I encourage it actually
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 28, 2010, 09:49:50 PM
The biggest problem I've seen concerning medicinal marijuana is due to those who see it as a "recreational" drug.  It has been given a bad rap and many of our Legislators just can't seem to get pass old myths, and belief that people want it just for recreational purposes.  What these Legislators forget is many medications are abused by people for "recreational purposes", and it's never going to stop.

With that said, I could care less if someone uses it for recreational purposes.  My concern is that those who need it for medicinal purposes have access to it without fear of prosecution, and without fear that dangerous sprays may have been used on it.  There are so many medicinal herbs that have been used by people for thousands of years, yet there is so much "fear" concerning marijuana!  Marijuana has been used in China for at least 2000 years, medicinally.  Most people aren't aware that there are a number of plants that one can legally own, that cause hallucinations.  How many of us have seen Morning Glories?  Wait until it goes to seed and viola!  Morning Glory seeds, Ipomoea, is a hallucinogen.  Are we going to eradicate all Morning Glories and arrest anyone who possesses it's seeds?  To prevent the use of medicinal marijuana, because some people will abuse it, simply punishes those in genuine need of it's medicinal value.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on May 29, 2010, 01:15:42 PM
One of my grandmothers was told by her doctor many many years ago to take morning glory seeds for, I think, her blood pressure. Can't remember for sure..It might have been for something else...But you do have to be very careful with them....we had a young man drown several years ago while high on morning glory...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 29, 2010, 02:18:53 PM
Okie... the seeds are also used as a laxative, it depends on the amount used.  Most people don't want Morning Glories around their gardens because the vines will strangle other plants.  Yep, Morning Glories are violent, drug traffickers!

People really would be shocked to find out what some of our house plants, garden plants, and wild plants can do, yet they are legal to have!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on May 29, 2010, 02:36:53 PM
Everyone, please step back from the computer keyboards for a moment, read this thread's drift for the last few days, and ask what it will look like to somebody who is coming here to see what people are saying about Pulaski County Prosecutor Deborah Hooper.

If you haven't been reading for a long time -- and most people haven't -- this thread looks like a bunch of potheads organized a "let's get rid of Hooper as prosecutor" movement, and maybe even convinced our state representative to give prescription pot a second look.

Do the opponents of Deborah Hooper really want to have her start going all over the county, pointing to this website, and saying, "See, this proves I fight crime -- the potheads are organizing to vote me out!"

I don't know of anyone in Pulaski County who is seriously suggesting that we follow the lead of some cities by deciding to stop enforcing drug laws against marijuana. Unless a candidate for prosecutor decides to start advocating a position like that, or is accused of being "soft on pot," I really don't see what the medical marijuana issue has to do with a thread that is designed to discuss Deborah Hooper's performance in office.

Asking Kevin Hillman his position on enforcement of marijuana laws was a legitimate question, and he's answered it. Could I politely suggest that the discussion after that question was asked has veered into areas that help nobody?

There are other threads on this board where medical marijuana could be discussed or has been discussed before. That's the right place for what is being said here.

Personally, I have very little sympathy for those who want to decriminalize marijuana or other similar illegal drug. But there are other places where that can be discussed and I fully support the constitutional right of people to peaceably petition their government for redress of grievances -- even if they're wrong, like the pot legalization people.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on May 29, 2010, 03:38:39 PM
Thank you, Darrell for addressing this.

I have been thinking about the hijacking, for lack of a better word, of this thread for a while but didn't really know the right way to address the issue.

I follow this thread closely by having the posts sent to my email, which is then sent to my phone. I am sure that most people don't follow that closely but I am equally sure that many people are following this thread.

Is there a way that the medical marijuana/morning glory posts that have come after the candidate's response was made could be removed from this thread and moved to a thread of their own?

It is an important topic and should be discussed but just in a more appropriate area. For that matter it seems that we should have a candidates forum for all candidates in the upcoming elections.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 29, 2010, 03:57:01 PM
DTM, how insulting.... a rational, intelligent discussion as to how a Prosecuting Attorney would address an issue as we had originally started concerning marijuana is NOT a bunch of pot heads discussing how to keep Hooper in Office.  My original question is a legitimate question.  Will our County resources be wasted on prosecuting people who are using marijuana, as a medicine for a serious condition, when other, more serious crimes are neglected.  Had there not been a discussion showing the medicinal value of marijuana, the thoughts of those in the area concerning it, then it would have looked like people just wanting the issue of marijuana, use/possession, overlooked in the criminal justice system.

I, personally, do not endorse Hooper, as many here know I am presently involved in a case (as the victim) that has been drug out far too long. 

Did this thread go a little off course, maybe a tad, but it still is addressing issues that our PA will have to face.  Kevin gave an excellent answer, and I did post that.
This thread, as it states, is about our PRESENT PA, not the candidates, yet that is another area where this thread has gone.  Threads tend to develop a life of their own, according to the interests at the time.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 29, 2010, 04:37:49 PM
DTM, how insulting.... a rational, intelligent discussion as to how a Prosecuting Attorney would address an issue as we had originally started concerning marijuana is NOT a bunch of pot heads discussing how to keep Hooper in Office.  My original question is a legitimate question.  Will our County resources be wasted on prosecuting people who are using marijuana, as a medicine for a serious condition, when other, more serious crimes are neglected.  Had there not been a discussion showing the medicinal value of marijuana, the thoughts of those in the area concerning it, then it would have looked like people just wanting the issue of marijuana, use/possession, overlooked in the criminal justice system.

I, personally, do not endorse Hooper, as many here know I am presently involved in a case (as the victim) that has been drug out far too long. 

Did this thread go a little off course, maybe a tad, but it still is addressing issues that our PA will have to face.  Kevin gave an excellent answer, and I did post that.
This thread, as it states, is about our PRESENT PA, not the candidates, yet that is another area where this thread has gone.  Threads tend to develop a life of their own, according to the interests at the time.

Not that he needs defending but I believe he did say that the original question was on point, however it drifted after the answer.  My take on his post was the legalization of Marijuana is not a prosecutor issue it's a legislator issue and one that could be moved to a different thread.  Right now weed is illegal and needs to be prosecuted, not really something that is up for debate.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on May 29, 2010, 04:51:31 PM
Why can't it be regulated and taxed?  Both alcohol and tobacco are and are not hard for an ordinary person to grow or produce.


Sorry for your problems but I just wanted to say Marijuana cant be regulated anyone can grow it themselves they cant tax it so its not legal end of story.  Your better off just breaking the law and smoking it anyway.  possesing under 35 grams is a misdemeanor with a fine at the worst.  Just find someone who smokes it (there are a ton of people that do that you wouldnt ever think) and get some to illeviate your problems.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 29, 2010, 05:01:05 PM
You people make me laugh sooo hard its tough not to come back every few hours for a comical fix....OH NOES my thread isnt about the PA anymore, the original thread is a witchhunt anyway, its not like the lot of you even have a clue as to the inner workings of the legal system, and think what you see on tv is how it happens.  This thread is now going to be about my favorite type of candy bar.
 
Snickers is a candy bar (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Candy_bar) made by Mars, Incorporated (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Mars,_Incorporated). It consists of peanut nougat (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Nougat) topped with roasted peanuts (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Peanut) and caramel (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Caramel_candy) covered with milk chocolate (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Milk_chocolate).[1] Snickers is the best selling chocolate bar of all time and has annual global sales of US $2 billion.[2]
The original Snickers was formerly sold as Marathon in the United Kingdom (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/United_Kingdom) and Ireland (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland).[3] More recently, Snickers Marathon branded energy bars (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Energy_bar) have been sold in some markets.[4] In May 2008, Mars, Incorporated (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Mars,_Incorporated) was rumoured to temporarily re-launch the Marathon bar. 
 
History
In 1930, the Mars family introduced its second product, Snickers, named after their favorite horse.[6][edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=2)] Renaming in UK and IrelandIn the UK and Ireland, it was originally sold under the name Marathon. Mars standardized many of its global brand names and the name was changed to Snickers in 1990. For 18 months before the name changed, the words "Internationally known as Snickers" were printed on the side of the Marathon wrapper. Following the name change, the bar moved from being Britain's ninth most popular bar to the third most popular.
Mars has since re-registered the original name as a UK trademark. There is also a campaign to rename the bar: Bring Back Marathon (http://www.bringbackmarathon.org)[edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=3)] Snickers DuoA replacement for the king size Snickers bar, was launched in the UK in 2004, and designed to conform to the September 2004 Food and Drink Federation (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Food_and_Drink_Federation) (FDF) 'Manifesto for Food and Health'. Part of the FDF manifesto was seven pledges of action to encourage the food and drink industry to be more health conscious.[7] Reducing portion size, clearer food labels, reduction of the levels of fat, sugar and salt were among the FDF pledges. Mars Incorporated pledged to phase out their king-size bars in 2005 and replace them with shareable bars. A Mars spokesman said: "Our king-size bars that come in one portion will be changed so they are shareable or can be consumed on more than one occasion. The name king-size will be phased out."[7]
These were eventually replaced by the 'Duo', a twin bar pack. Though this change to Duos reduced the weight from 3.5 to 3.29 ounces (99 to 93 g), the price remained the same. Splitting it into two bars, enables sharing or saving one bar for another time. The packaging (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/smf/#) even has step-by-step picture instructions of how to open your 'Duo' into two bars, in four easy-to-follow actions.[8] As Mars stated fulfillment of their promise, the Duo format was met with criticism by the National Obesity Forum and National Consumer Council (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/National_Consumer_Council).[9][edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=4)] Australian recallIn July 2005, tens of thousands of Snickers and Mars Bars (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Mars_Bar) were removed from New South Wales store shelves (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/smf/#) due to a series of threatening letters which resulted in fears the chocolate bars had been poisoned.[10] Mars received letters from an unidentified individual indicating that he planned to distribute poisoned chocolate bars to store shelves.[10] The last letter he sent included a Snickers bar contaminated with a substance which was not identified.[10] This substance was later identified as rat poison. The letters claimed that there were seven additional chocolate bars which had been tampered with which were for sale to the public.[10] As a precautionary measure, Mars issued the massive recall.[10] Mars said that there had been no demand for money, only complaints directed to an unidentified third party.[10][edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=5)] Ingredients(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Snickers_opened.jpg/220px-Snickers_opened.jpg) (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/File:Snickers_opened.jpg) (http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png) (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/File:Snickers_opened.jpg)Snickers (original)In the US, Snickers ingredients are: milk chocolate (sugar, cocoa butter, chocolate, skimmed milk, lactose (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Lactose), milkfat, soy lecithin (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Lecithin), artificial flavor), peanuts, corn syrup (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Corn_syrup), sugar, skim milk, butter, milkfat, partially hydrogenated soybean oil (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Partially_hydrogenated_soybean_oil), lactose, salt, egg whites (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Egg_whites) and artificial flavor.[citation needed (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
In the UK, Snickers ingredients are: sugar, peanuts, glucose syrup, vegetable fat, skimmed milk powder, cocoa butter, cocoa mass, lactose, demineralised whey powder, milk fat, salt, emulsifiers (soy lecithin (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Lecithin), E442), egg white, natural vanilla extract and hydrolysed milk protein. Milk chocolate contains milk solids 14% minimum.[edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=6)] Products containing SnickersIn the early 2000s, deep fried chocolate (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Chocolate) bars (including Snickers, and Mars bars (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Deep_fried_Mars_Bar)) became popular at US state fairs (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/State_fair), although they had been a local speciality in some fish and chips (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Fish_and_chips) shops in Scotland (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Scotland) for some time[11] despite containing an estimated 440 kilocalories (1,800 kJ) per bar.[12]
In 2006, the UK Food Commission highlighted celebrity chef Antony Worrall Thompson (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Antony_Worrall_Thompson)'s "Snickers pie",[13] which contained five Snickers bars among other ingredients, suggesting it was one of the unhealthiest desserts ever; one slice providing "over 1,250 kilocalories (5,200 kJ) from sugar and fat alone", more than half a day's requirement for an average adult. The pie had featured on his BBC (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/BBC) Saturday programme some two years earlier and the chef described it as an occasional treat only.[14]
The Cheesecake Factory (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/The_Cheesecake_Factory) restaurant bakes and sells its own "Snicker's Bar Chunks and Cheesecake" which consists of its own Original Cheesecake with whole Snickers chunks baked right into it. It is topped with peanuts and drizzled with chocolate sauce for the plate presentation. [15][edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=7)] VariationsOthers include:[edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=8)] Advertising[edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=9)] Super Bowl XLI commercialOn February 4, 2007, during Super Bowl XLI (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLI), Snickers commercials aired which resulted in complaints by gay and lesbian groups against the maker of the candy bar, Masterfoods USA of Hackettstown, New Jersey (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Hackettstown,_New_Jersey), a division of Mars, Incorporated (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Mars,_Incorporated). The commercial, which had four alternate endings,[citation needed (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] showed a pair of auto mechanics accidentally touching lips while sharing a Snickers bar. Realizing that they "accidentally kissed", they, in three of the four versions, "do something manly" (mostly in the form of injury, including tearing out chest hair, striking each other with a very large pipe wrench (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Pipe_wrench), and drinking motor oil (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Motor_oil) and windshield washer fluid (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Windshield_washer_fluid)). In the fourth version, a third mechanic shows up and asks if there is "room for three in this Love Boat (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/The_Love_Boat)".
The website for the commercials, since taken down, also featured Super Bowl players viewing the commercials and reacting with disgust to the "kiss".[citation needed (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] The website said that the commercials would be aired during the upcoming Daytona 500 (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Daytona_500).[citation needed (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Complaints were lodged against Masterfoods that the ads were homophobic (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Homophobia). Human Rights Campaign (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Human_Rights_Campaign) president Joe Solmonese (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Joe_Solmonese) is quoted as saying
"This type of jeering from professional sports figures at the sight of two men kissing fuels the kind of anti-gay bullying that haunts countless gay and lesbian school children on playgrounds all across the country."
;[17]Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Gay_and_Lesbian_Alliance_Against_Defamation) (GLAAD) president Neil Giuliano (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Neil_Giuliano) said "That Snickers, Mars and the NFL would promote and endorse this kind of prejudice is simply inexcusable." Masterfoods has since pulled the ads and the website.[18][19][edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=10)] Mr. TIn 2008, a European Snickers commercial in which Mr. T (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Mr._T) fires Snickers bars at a racewalker (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Racewalk) for being a "disgrace to the man race" was pulled after complaints from a US pressure group that the advertisement was homophobic.[20] The advert originally began airing mid-2007.[edit (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/w/index.php?title=Snickers&action=edit&section=11)] NASCARIn NASCAR (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/NASCAR) racing, Snickers (and the rest of the Mars (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Mars,_Incorporated) affiliated brands) sponsor Kyle Busch (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Kyle_Busch)'s #18 Toyota for Joe Gibbs Racing (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Joe_Gibbs_Racing). Prior to that the brand served as a primary sponsor for Ricky Rudd (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Ricky_Rudd)'s #88 Robert Yates Racing (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Yates_Racing) Ford as well as an associate sponsor for the team's #38 car driven first by Elliott Sadler (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Elliott_Sadler) and then by David Gilliland (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/David_Gilliland), and an associate sponsor for the MB2 Motorsports (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Ginn_Racing) #36 Pontiac driven by Derrike Cope (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Derrike_Cope), Ernie Irvan (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Ernie_Irvan), Ken Schrader (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/wiki/Ken_Schrader), and others.
 
As you can see snickers bars are delicious and go along way in american culture.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 29, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
Not that he needs defending but I believe he did say that the original question was on point, however it drifted after the answer.  My take on his post was the legalization of Marijuana is not a prosecutor issue it's a legislator issue and one that could be moved to a different thread.  Right now weed is illegal and needs to be prosecuted, not really something that is up for debate.
Bliss, though I understand your point "weed is illegal and needs to be prosecuted", it IS up to the PA what cases he/she feels merits prosecution.  Example:  Do you prosecute, using tax payers money, with the same zeal,  the 80 year old cancer patient that has 6 months to a year to live, for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia, that  you would prosecute a healthy 35 year old (who is in possession of the same amount) using marijuana for recreational purposes only?  There is a real possibility that our PA will come up against such cases, and as tax payers, do you not feel that people have the right to know HOW that money is being used?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 29, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
Waynesvillian, I am still angry that I can not get the Snickers Cruncher bars.... they got me hooked then took them away!  :anger:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on May 29, 2010, 05:59:53 PM
I feel your pain!!!!!! %%$%$$#
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: littlebit on May 29, 2010, 06:24:11 PM
Everyone, please step back from the computer keyboards for a moment, read this thread's drift for the last few days, and ask what it will look like to somebody who is coming here to see what people are saying about Pulaski County Prosecutor Deborah Hooper.

If you haven't been reading for a long time -- and most people haven't -- this thread looks like a bunch of potheads organized a "let's get rid of Hooper as prosecutor" movement, and maybe even convinced our state representative to give prescription pot a second look.

Do the opponents of Deborah Hooper really want to have her start going all over the county, pointing to this website, and saying, "See, this proves I fight crime -- the potheads are organizing to vote me out!"

I don't know of anyone in Pulaski County who is seriously suggesting that we follow the lead of some cities by deciding to stop enforcing drug laws against marijuana. Unless a candidate for prosecutor decides to start advocating a position like that, or is accused of being "soft on pot," I really don't see what the medical marijuana issue has to do with a thread that is designed to discuss Deborah Hooper's performance in office.

Asking Kevin Hillman his position on enforcement of marijuana laws was a legitimate question, and he's answered it. Could I politely suggest that the discussion after that question was asked has veered into areas that help nobody?

There are other threads on this board where medical marijuana could be discussed or has been discussed before. That's the right place for what is being said here.

Personally, I have very little sympathy for those who want to decriminalize marijuana or other similar illegal drug. But there are other places where that can be discussed and I fully support the constitutional right of people to peaceably petition their government for redress of grievances -- even if they're wrong, like the pot legalization people.

Did I just get called a "Pothead"?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on May 29, 2010, 06:31:33 PM
Did I just get called a "Pothead"?
With all the crap and killing going on in Kandahar........I hope your keeping your "POTHEAD" down and covered  :th_gen129:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on May 29, 2010, 06:57:27 PM
Stop getting high and posting on here.. LOL
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on May 29, 2010, 07:05:53 PM
Kari, I understand your point as well.

If we were in a county where the prosecuting attorney or one of the candidates had decided that prosecuting for marijuana was not going to be a priority, this would be an entirely appropriate discussion. Since there are cities, counties, and even entire states that have decided to stop prosecuting "personal use" quantities of marijuana, it was entirely appropriate to ask Kevin Hillman what his policy will be if elected. Same for any of the other candidates.

However, to my knowledge, neither the prosecutor nor any of her three challengers has taken that position.

But hey, who knows? Ms. Hooper doesn't prosecute a lot of other things, and just this week she apparently decided to notify every reporter in Pulaski County except me that Paul Cary, the former Army specialist who had pleaded guilty to multiple armed robberies, had been sentenced. Maybe she's decided to stop prosecuting personal-use quantities of pot and we just missed that because there are so many other incidents she isn't prosecuting, either.

Perhaps I should ask Ms. Hooper how many personal-use pot cases she's prosecuted in the last four years. The answer might be interesting.

Bliss, though I understand your point "weed is illegal and needs to be prosecuted", it IS up to the PA what cases he/she feels merits prosecution.  Example:  Do you prosecute, using tax payers money, with the same zeal,  the 80 year old cancer patient that has 6 months to a year to live, for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia, that  you would prosecute a healthy 35 year old (who is in possession of the same amount) using marijuana for recreational purposes only?  There is a real possibility that our PA will come up against such cases, and as tax payers, do you not feel that people have the right to know HOW that money is being used?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 29, 2010, 08:01:44 PM
DTM, it may be a good question for all the candidates, after all.... it is at the tax payers expense.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 29, 2010, 08:03:33 PM
Stop getting high and posting on here.. LOL
Gee Rick... it's a legal high!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on May 29, 2010, 08:35:57 PM
Bliss, though I understand your point "weed is illegal and needs to be prosecuted", it IS up to the PA what cases he/she feels merits prosecution.  Example:  Do you prosecute, using tax payers money, with the same zeal,  the 80 year old cancer patient that has 6 months to a year to live, for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia, that  you would prosecute a healthy 35 year old (who is in possession of the same amount) using marijuana for recreational purposes only?  There is a real possibility that our PA will come up against such cases, and as tax payers, do you not feel that people have the right to know HOW that money is being used?

I agree with you completely and that's why I think the original question should have been asked and answered.  It was the additional comments regarding "why" it should be legal that were kind of off topic for this particular thread.  Discretion is an on point topic for the PA or candidates for the PA.  I believe one of the candidates has stated publicly that they will charge anything and everything to the fullest extent of the law.  That doesn't necessarily make for the best candidate either, because, like you said, there are sometimes when circumstances require alternative measures.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 29, 2010, 09:14:55 PM
I believe one of the candidates has stated publicly that they will charge anything and everything to the fullest extent of the law.  That doesn't necessarily make for the best candidate either, because, like you said, there are sometimes when circumstances require alternative measures.
***(**& ***(**& ***(**& The scales of Justice HAS to weigh out fairly. To "prosecute to the fullest extent of the Law" is NOT always weighing Justice out fairly.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: David Day on May 29, 2010, 11:00:47 PM
Everyone, please step back from the computer keyboards for a moment, read this thread's drift for the last few days, and ask what it will look like to somebody who is coming here to see what people are saying about Pulaski County Prosecutor Deborah Hooper.

If you haven't been reading for a long time -- and most people haven't -- this thread looks like a bunch of potheads organized a "let's get rid of Hooper as prosecutor" movement, and maybe even convinced our state representative to give prescription pot a second look.

Do the opponents of Deborah Hooper really want to have her start going all over the county, pointing to this website, and saying, "See, this proves I fight crime -- the potheads are organizing to vote me out!"

I don't know of anyone in Pulaski County who is seriously suggesting that we follow the lead of some cities by deciding to stop enforcing drug laws against marijuana. Unless a candidate for prosecutor decides to start advocating a position like that, or is accused of being "soft on pot," I really don't see what the medical marijuana issue has to do with a thread that is designed to discuss Deborah Hooper's performance in office.

Asking Kevin Hillman his position on enforcement of marijuana laws was a legitimate question, and he's answered it. Could I politely suggest that the discussion after that question was asked has veered into areas that help nobody?

There are other threads on this board where medical marijuana could be discussed or has been discussed before. That's the right place for what is being said here.

Personally, I have very little sympathy for those who want to decriminalize marijuana or other similar illegal drug. But there are other places where that can be discussed and I fully support the constitutional right of people to peaceably petition their government for redress of grievances -- even if they're wrong, like the pot legalization people.

My mistake Darrell, I was simply responding because in the thread my name was brought up a few times and felt the need to address it, especially since I received 3 or 4 e-mails saying that some felt I should.

Back to my corner.

Dave
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 30, 2010, 02:16:02 AM
Awww, David... you're allowed out of the corner to come play with us!!! :wink1a: ;D
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on May 30, 2010, 04:36:11 AM
My mistake Darrell, I was simply responding because in the thread my name was brought up a few times and felt the need to address it, especially since I received 3 or 4 e-mails saying that some felt I should. Back to my corner.
Dave

Rep. Day, for whatever it's worth, I have no problem with your comments... in fact, this is a subject that **SHOULD** be directed to you, and it probably belongs in your corner, not here, since you are the one and only participant on this board who can actually vote on changing the law on this issue.

This is not an issue for the prosecutorial race until/unless someone running for prosecutor starts to say we should not make it a priority to prosecute people for possession of personal-use quantities of marijuana. So far nobody is making that statement.

As you know, I've privately communicated to you my very serious concerns about the drug legalization movement. I've seen the tremendous damage that drug legalization has done in the Netherlands and some other places. I realize there are conservatives who view this as a "government intrusion in private life" issue. I can respect that argument, but I fundamentally disagree with it, unless we're prepared to go all the way back to the 1800s where quack medicines were being hawked at county fairs by unregulated medicine shows by "doctors" with little or no medical training before the government got into the business of protecting people from dangerous and useless drugs.

If we're going to grant that government has a role in protecting the public health -- and I realize not all conservatives agree with that based on free market principles -- then banning dangerous drugs is a key part of the government's responsibility. We need to be consistent, and that means either abolishing the Food and Drug Administration entirely and allowing anybody to hawk anything on the streets or accepting the FDA and science-based protection of public health.

There is simply no way, based on current FDA rules, that marijuana would **EVER** be considered acceptable medicine if it were not for political pressure being brought to bear on the issue. Now maybe we shouldn't have the FDA at all, but if we're going to have it, then things like marijuana should be banned.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on May 30, 2010, 06:01:37 AM
DTM, walk just a few yards in the shoes of those who DO suffer from serious conditions that have used all the FDA approved drugs, and discovered that medicinal marijuana relieved the suffering better than any of the drugs pushed by pharmaceutical companies.

As for the FDA, take a look into how many times they've approved drugs, only to recall their approval due to the drugs going through the "fast track"...... Yep, the pharmaceutical companies have a LOT of money to spread around.

Most all of our medicines are simply money making copies, of what nature/G_D has already supplied for us.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 08, 2010, 07:52:12 PM
I have not heard from Mrs. Hooper or Mr. Gifford regarding the debate.  I put on the letter that they must RSVP by yesterday and neither responded. I called both their offices and their homes and have not had a response.

Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on June 08, 2010, 08:51:11 PM
I have not heard from Mrs. Hooper or Mr. Gifford regarding the debate.  I put on the letter that they must RSVP by yesterday and neither responded. I called both their offices and their homes and have not had a response.



WOW, so has Mr. Thomas RSVP'd as of yesterday?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on June 08, 2010, 08:58:03 PM
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say they have 20 thousand more important things to worry about than a debate atm, especially Hooper if shes as bad and disorganized as many of you think she is.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 08, 2010, 10:02:42 PM
Yes Mr. Thomas has agreed to participate.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on June 08, 2010, 10:28:42 PM
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say they have 20 thousand more important things to worry about than a debate atm, especially Hooper if shes as bad and disorganized as many of you think she is.

I don't think its asking to much to spend 2 hours every 4 years to interview for a 6 figure income job.   And yes we KNOW hoops is as bad and disorganized as we think/
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 08, 2010, 10:40:02 PM
As I stated in my invitations to each candidate, participation in this debate will be a strong testament to the commitment to accountable government and the concerns of Pulaski County families.

Our county is strongest when our elected leaders are accessible and accountable to its citizens, explain their decisions and answer tough questions. That standard of openness must start long before Election Day. 

I for one don't understand an attorney who is running for Prosecutor declining to participate in a debate, when "debating" or arguing their point to win favor is the main factor of their job.  If you can't stand and debate and represent yourself then why should we trust you to stand and argue for the safety of our county.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 08, 2010, 10:44:01 PM
I don't think its asking to much to spend 2 hours every 4 years to interview for a 6 figure income job.   And yes we KNOW hoops is as bad and disorganized as we think/

Exactly!  I know that some of them have spent longer at lunch/dinner trying to earn a single vote.  This will be a place where they will be able to be heard by many.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: igahmah at work on June 09, 2010, 01:16:51 AM
Well, there is one trial off her list she doesn't have to work on.  LOST!!!!!!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on June 09, 2010, 02:35:56 AM
Hey, you guys are a tough crowd!
 
On a serious note, if you can't make it to the debate or can't wait to ask a question, please feel free to ask me here.  If you want to know why I want this job, what my qualifications and experience are, or my position on something, ask.  If you don't want to do it publicly, send me an e-mail or personal message.  Call me or stop by St. Robert City Hall and we'll chat.  I am applying for a job from you, the voters, and you have every right to interview me.  That's why I was happy to accept the debate invite and was glad at least one of my opponents did as well.
 
Thanks,
Kevin
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on June 09, 2010, 03:19:32 PM
I have a question, will it be considered assault on a minor when you are debating Thomas?  Maybe even Assault on a minor with a deadly weapon(the mind can be a deadly weapon right)?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on June 09, 2010, 03:33:14 PM
I have a question, will it be considered assault on a minor when you are debating Thomas?  Maybe even Assault on a minor with a deadly weapon(the mind can be a deadly weapon right)?

While I believe I have far more legal and prosecutorial experience, Jeff is a nice guy so I don't think I'll be assaulting him.  At least he is showing up.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Chas on June 09, 2010, 06:03:56 PM
Not everyone thinks Hooper is doing a bad job.  I heard that mentioned at the meeting in Laquey and from others.  I don’t blame her for not wanting to be part of a debate that is organized by someone that is on the PCW.  She knows what people think of her that are on this site.  I also believe that not everything is her fault.  She blames the Sheriff dept the sheriff dept blames her when it is more likely somewhere in the middle.   I’m not voting for her.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on June 09, 2010, 08:04:17 PM
I have a question, will it be considered assault on a minor when you are debating Thomas?  Maybe even Assault on a minor with a deadly weapon(the mind can be a deadly weapon right)?

Let's give Jeff credit... he took on Deborah in court defending someone accused of robbing the Lion's Den store and defeated a sitting prosecutor who has been a lawyer almost as long as Jeff has been alive.

That should carry some weight. No matter what somebody thinks of the current prosecutor, it shows that Jeff is able to try and win cases against somebody who has been a lawyer for a long, long time.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on June 09, 2010, 09:07:34 PM
Wtf does that prove..your trying to tell me he shouldnt be able to win cases because hes young? Or he should only beat people younger than him.  All as I was saying is he is inexperienced and should get slaughtered by someone with the experience of Hillman.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Chas on June 09, 2010, 09:14:10 PM
Go Waynesvillian. By the way great name.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 10, 2010, 01:04:51 AM
Not everyone thinks Hooper is doing a bad job.  I heard that mentioned at the meeting in Laquey and from others.  I don’t blame her for not wanting to be part of a debate that is organized by someone that is on the PCW.  She knows what people think of her that are on this site.  I also believe that not everything is her fault.  She blames the Sheriff dept the sheriff dept blames her when it is more likely somewhere in the middle.   I’m not voting for her.

I've known Mrs. Hooper for a very long time both professionally and socially, so I'm not just someone "on PCW".  Even if I was, I'm still a voter and it should matter.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: JuneBug67 on June 10, 2010, 01:22:35 AM
Not everyone thinks Hooper is doing a bad job.  I heard that mentioned at the meeting in Laquey and from others.  I don’t blame her for not wanting to be part of a debate that is organized by someone that is on the PCW.  She knows what people think of her that are on this site.  I also believe that not everything is her fault.  She blames the Sheriff dept the sheriff dept blames her when it is more likely somewhere in the middle.   I’m not voting for her.

I agree,  I am not just someone on PCW and I look to this site to gain information.  I am smart enough to figure out who is supported, or popular, but that won't sway my vote.  I think hidding behind the context that everyone hates me is a really poor excuse not to address the voters.  I have only lived in Missouri for 7 years and if she allows this site to be the only source of information about her, with no response from her than I guess she really doesn't care about me and by the way that seems to be what people on this board voice the loudest and that does sway my vote.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on June 10, 2010, 02:28:54 AM
I agree,  I am not just someone on PCW and I look to this site to gain information.  I am smart enough to figure out who is supported, or popular, but that won't sway my vote.  I think hidding behind the context that everyone hates me is a really poor excuse not to address the voters.  I have only lived in Missouri for 7 years and if she allows this site to be the only source of information about her, with no response from her than I guess she really doesn't care about me and by the way that seems to be what people on this board voice the loudest and that does sway my vote.

Mega Dittos....Very well said!
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on June 10, 2010, 03:50:26 AM
It just feels to me like you have an agenda about Hooper, something I read you wrote somewhere.. Therefore it does make you look biased, and not the ideal person to hold the debate. Then again she doesn't come here and defend herself, so you know what I always say, "People don't come here who have something to hide." Not saying she does, but in my opinion it seems strange. I know I'd be in here defending myself if I were attacked. Then again I can just ban them LOL..

I've known Mrs. Hooper for a very long time both professionally and socially, so I'm not just someone "on PCW".  Even if I was, I'm still a voter and it should matter.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on June 10, 2010, 08:01:39 AM
Let's give Jeff credit... he took on Deborah in court defending someone accused of robbing the Lion's Den store and defeated a sitting prosecutor who has been a lawyer almost as long as Jeff has been alive. That should carry some weight. No matter what somebody thinks of the current prosecutor, it shows that Jeff is able to try and win cases against somebody who has been a lawyer for a long, long time.

I had someone ask me a question yesterday about this.

No, I am not making a public endorsement of Jeff Thomas, or for that matter, Kevin Hillman or Wayne Gifford or any other local candidate for any office. I don't get involved in supporting or opposing local candidates barring extreme cases. The Deborah Hooper situation is one of those cases where, as part of my work, I have seen things for the last four years that the general public needs to know about and which cannot be allowed to continue.

Accused criminals have walked free in this county with smiles on their faces because of Deborah Hooper's errors. Want proof? Remember the arson case from a few years ago where the accused arsonist's defense attorney asked the state fire marshal why he didn't take pictures, the state fire marshal said he did, the surprised defense attorney asked where they were, and the state fire marshal pointed to Deborah Hooper and said he gave them to her? After something like that, there wasn't any choice; the jury had to be dismissed, the case had to be started all over again, and dozens of man-hours of firefighters and law enforcement personnel who had driven to Rolla to testify were all wasted for no reason whatsoever except that Deborah Hooper lost key evidence. Fortunately, the state fire marshal kept copies.

Unfortunately, that is not an isolated case. I believe, given her track record of the last four years, that any of her three opponents would be an improvement.

My public challenge to Mrs. Hooper stands. If she, as the sitting prosecutor, can find any law enforcement officer in Pulaski County willing to publicly endorse her and do a sit-down, on-the-record interview with me about why that officer supports her work as prosecutor for the last four years and deserves to be re-elected, I'll interview that officer in-depth and in detail on why that officer believes she is doing a good job.

There are less than eight weeks until the primary election. The clock is ticking on that offer. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on June 10, 2010, 03:06:59 PM
I had someone ask me a question yesterday about this.

No, I am not making a public endorsement of Jeff Thomas, or for that matter, Kevin Hillman or Wayne Gifford or any other local candidate for any office. I don't get involved in supporting or opposing local candidates barring extreme cases. The Deborah Hooper situation is one of those cases where, as part of my work, I have seen things for the last four years that the general public needs to know about and which cannot be allowed to continue.

Accused criminals have walked free in this county with smiles on their faces because of Deborah Hooper's errors. Want proof? Remember the arson case from a few years ago where the accused arsonist's defense attorney asked the state fire marshal why he didn't take pictures, the state fire marshal said he did, the surprised defense attorney asked where they were, and the state fire marshal pointed to Deborah Hooper and said he gave them to her? After something like that, there wasn't any choice; the jury had to be dismissed, the case had to be started all over again, and dozens of man-hours of firefighters and law enforcement personnel who had driven to Rolla to testify were all wasted for no reason whatsoever except that Deborah Hooper lost key evidence. Fortunately, the state fire marshal kept copies.

Unfortunately, that is not an isolated case. I believe, given her track record of the last four years, that any of her three opponents would be an improvement.

My public challenge to Mrs. Hooper stands. If she, as the sitting prosecutor, can find any law enforcement officer in Pulaski County willing to publicly endorse her and do a sit-down, on-the-record interview with me about why that officer supports her work as prosecutor for the last four years and deserves to be re-elected, I'll interview that officer in-depth and in detail on why that officer believes she is doing a good job.

There are less than eight weeks until the primary election. The clock is ticking on that offer. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.

Your wrong again, you are making a public endorsement against Deb Hooper, its plain as those glasses on your face that you dont like her and are biased in anything you say that has to do with the Prosecuting Attorney race, its also clear that your with Hillman.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: just_here on June 10, 2010, 03:35:38 PM
From what I read, I don't believe Darrel dislikes Ms. Hooper personally.  In all honesty, you could probably take her name away from this entirely and just focus on her actions.  I believe that Darrel has some legitimate concerns as far as her ability to successfully run the prosecutor's office and rightly so.  The underlying hint of personal vindictivness on Darrel's part is offensive.  I see a reporter trying to get information out to the public in order for us to make an informed decision that will better the people.  I for one consider what Darrel has to say extremely informative since he has sat in the courtroom more than anyone else on this site and observed Ms. Hooper's performance on a regular basis.  Furthermore, I don't think Darrel has had to dig too deeply to find things troubling in Ms. Hooper's last 4 years.  Matter of fact, it seems to me that her actions have given him plenty of fodder.  I'm sure those victims who recieved no justice due to her lack of professionalism would and are praising Darrel's efforts to get the information out to those who haven't stepped foot in a courtroom in the last 4 years, but who might in the future.
 
Also, I can't see him being completely in Mr. Hillman's corner if he is pointing out the atributes of Mr. Thomas.  Speaking as someone from the public, I have heard nothing of Mr. Thomas other than he is extremely inexperienced.  I don't think Darrel has said anything to the contrary, he's only reported what he witnessed as far as Mr. Thomas' performance in the courtroom.  As far as Mr. Hillman is concerned, I have heard nothing but praise for the man where his abilities are concerned and it is my understanding his resume is extremely impressive.  Once again, nothing different from Darrel.  However, if Darrel were to bring to light anything to the contrary concerning Mr. Thomas or Mr. Hillman, I'm sure he would bring it to the public's attention.
 
What it all boils down to, is that Darrel seems to be reporting the things that he is aware of, which by definition, is a reporter's job.  If Darrel chose to sit silent and these things were brought to light after the election, then he would be condemed for withholding the truth.  When making a decision like this, I want as much creditable information as I can get in order to make my decision.  No one has produced any information to the contrary to contradict anything that Darrel has published, good or bad.  Until that happens, I believe I will continue to take what Darrel says into consideration and support him in his efforts.   
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Chas on June 10, 2010, 04:04:07 PM
While I don’t think Darrell has come out and supported anyone.  He has come out against Hooper.  Which is his right, I don’t see how what he wrote can be taken any other way. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Kristi Marie on June 10, 2010, 06:45:35 PM
Question for everyone~ I have been going to court with my son for 3 years now~ his case was dismissed yesterday~ I have sat in that courtroom alot over the last few years and they are backed up like you would not believe~ I don't think it is all Ms Hooper herself, go sit there sometime and watch what happens in court, then come back and post about her~ I don't know her personally all I have ever seen is her in court, and I know alot of people don't like her, but all i'm saying is that I don't think it is all her fault for court being backed up so bad~
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on June 10, 2010, 11:59:38 PM
Thats the point she is inefficient.  She has done 50-70% the number of cases of prior PA (the actual numbers are post somewhere). 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 11, 2010, 02:17:53 AM
It just feels to me like you have an agenda about Hooper, something I read you wrote somewhere.. Therefore it does make you look biased, and not the ideal person to hold the debate. Then again she doesn't come here and defend herself, so you know what I always say, "People don't come here who have something to hide." Not saying she does, but in my opinion it seems strange. I know I'd be in here defending myself if I were attacked. Then again I can just ban them LOL..


I would like to clarify... I'm not "holding" the debate. I simply took the initiative to make the arrangements happen.  William O. Worsham, Attorney at Law will be the neutral moderator.  He is not from this county and has years of experience in all aspects of the law including prosecution and will determine what questions will need to be asked.  He will be determining the questions and who is asked what. He does not know any of the candidates, their history or their party affiliation.  There will be 5-7 questions that will be provided to the candidates prior to the debate to prepare answers and then several questions that will be submitted from the constituents and the candidates, nor I, will know what those ones are.

I really have nothing more to do with the actual debate other than making sure people are where they need to be and at what time.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on June 11, 2010, 11:38:52 AM
Your wrong again, you are making a public endorsement against Deb Hooper, its plain as those glasses on your face that you dont like her and are biased in anything you say that has to do with the Prosecuting Attorney race, its also clear that your with Hillman.

Others have said on my behalf most of what I would have said in response to your specific post, and I thank them (specifically JustHere and Chas) for doing so.
 
It's always an interesting sport when people try to figure out who a reporter supports. I posted here recently because someone contacted me privately and said people were saying I was supporting Jeff Thomas. You think I'm supporting Kevin Hillman. If people can't figure out which of those two Republican candidates I am supporting, that's probably a good thing. I am a conservative Republican, that's not a secret, and barring unusual circumstances I will almost always vote for a Republican unless the Democrat is a strong conservative or obviously more qualified.

But since people are already guessing and guessing wrongly what I think, I probably need to address that. Rather than let people continue to guess, here's my personal opinion on the race:

1. All three candidates other than Hooper probably can do the job. Hooper has proved she cannot do the job.

2. All four candidates have both pros and cons. (Yes, even Hooper has a few things in her favor: she has years of experience, she graduated from good schools, and was a committed conservative Republican who volunteered for military service in the JAG Corps during a period when the anti-military attitudes of the Vietnam War made volunteering for the military an important statement on her part.) I think a reasonable person, knowing what I know, could cast a well-informed vote for any of the three candidates other than Hooper.

3. Each of the three remaining candidates are better than others in some ways, while worse than others in different ways.

A: Wayne Gifford was the prosecutor twice before, and has been a special prosecutor even under Deborah Hooper when Hooper had conflicts of interest and she needed to appoint an outside prosecutor. He grew up here, he knows the county extremely well, and would be a competent prosecutor if elected. He'd also annoy lots of people with his attitude. There are older people in law enforcement who remember his past work as prosecutor and like the fact that he's a pit bull with sharp teeth. He has a track record that can best be summarized as saying he's a very aggressive and tough lawyer who knows the law very well, but whose interpersonal skills leave something to be desired. When running for office, people skills are important, and it's probably the main reason (other than being a Democrat) that he's likely unelectable. But regardless of his people skills, he would be much better than Hooper at actually getting the job done, and if Hooper somehow manages to win the Republican nomination there is no doubt in my mind that I will publicly endorse Gifford in the general election.

B. Kevin Hillman is relatively new to this county, though he has lived here for a number of years. Lots of people outside the legal community don't know him, and while I have had the opportunity to observe his work, not being a "known commodity" is going to be an important problem for a lot of people. He's been a military prosecutor before, but so has Deborah Hooper, and we saw how well that worked out. There are major differences between military and civilian prosecution, the key one being the tremendous fire hose of work civilian prosecutors face, and Kevin needs to answer questions about how he will manage the prosecutor's office and their massive workload. Kevin is also in the Missouri National Guard, and while that's a big positive in my book, some view that as a negative. People need to be aware that he might get called up for active duty and we need to make sure there's a "Plan B" in place in case he's called up. He's been a lawyer in this area for a number of years, though much less than either Wayne Gifford or Deborah Hooper, and the fact that he's worked for Tyce Smith before becoming the St. Robert City Attorney and now also Waynesville Municipal Judge should be taken into account. (Wayne Gifford is also the Crocker prosecutor, BTW, so he also has municipal experience.) He has a track record, though it's thinner than that of Gifford or Hooper. Those who want to vote for Hillman will likely do so because they value experience but believe Gifford is unnecessarily abrasive and Hooper is demonstrably incapable of doing the job.

C. Jeff Thomas is a young lawyer right out of law school, but the fact that he's the son of a local lawyer and grew up in this area can and should carry weight. He also graduated from a law school with a poor reputation, but he's explained to me that he attended that school because he could get through it in one year less than other law schools. That seems like a reasonble explanation to me. Being the son of Jim Thomas is a positive in some people's book and a negative in others, and it needs to be taken into account because unless his father retires, there will have to be many special prosecutors appointed to handle cases in which he or his father were involved as defense attorneys. (That's also an issue for the other two candidates, though it's less of a problem for them because unlike the others who won't have family members currently practicing law, Jeff Thomas' father will still be here in this county and still working.) The major negative against Jeff Thomas is his lack of experience, but the fact is that even with that lack of experience, he was still able to beat Deborah Hooper in a prominent court case. Those who vote for Jeff Thomas will be those who place less value on experience than on knowing the community and being known, and who believe Thomas has proved by beating Hooper in court that youthful energy can be more effective than years in legal practice.
 
4. Those who believe I have a personal animosity against Deborah Hooper are wrong. I voted for her four years ago. I thought, for a variety of reasons, that she was a better candidate than either of her two Democratic opponents. I was wrong, that's crystal clear from what I have seen in the courtroom, and I'm not afraid to admit it when facts show I've made a mistake.
 
5. The most important reason I oppose Deborah Hooper is the terrible relationship Hooper has developed with local law enforcement. A prosecutor's best friends should be the local police because it is the prosecutor's job to send the people to jail who the police have arrested. When the police don't like the prosecutor, the least that can be said is that something is seriously wrong.

So what's the best answer? That's really up to the individual voters and how much value they put on different types of candidate qualifications.
 
Two of the three candidates have been prosecutors before and have track records as good lawyers. With the third candidate, people are taking a risk with a young and relatively inexperienced lawyer, but he's already shown himself better than Hooper in the courtroom. And experience is not the sole factor voters should consider: Hooper is the most experienced of all the Republican candidates, but she's had long enough in office to prove she can't do the job. Some people may also say that having a young and aggressive prosecutor who knows the area well is better than having Gifford or Hillman because of specific things about Hillman or Gifford that they don't like.

I've tried to frame the issues, but nowhere in this post have I told anyone how I will vote, other than that as a Republican I will vote in the Republican primary but will cross over to vote for Gifford if Hooper wins the Republican nomination. I sincerely believe a reasonable voter could make an informed decision to support Hillman, Thomas or Gifford, and any of those three will do a better job than the current prosecutor.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on June 11, 2010, 03:11:06 PM
Darrel are you Dave from Radio Shacks long lost brother?  If not I bet your besties.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on June 11, 2010, 03:58:21 PM
Darrel are you Dave from Radio Shacks long lost brother?  If not I bet your besties.

Nope, I don't have a brother.

I do buy lots of equipment from Radio Shack and have for more than 30 years, but I can't honestly say I know the local people very well. I have no problem with them, I just don't have a reason to visit their store too much since their equipment usually works well and doesn't need to be fixed or replaced very often.

As for the current topic, I don't think I've ever discussed the prosecutor's race with anyone working at the local Radio Shack. However, it's been four years that Deborah Hooper has been the prosecutor so maybe I've said something to them since her campaign began back in 2005 or since she took office in 2006, but if I have, I've forgotten it.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Coyote on June 11, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Outside the box:  I would like to see someone snatch up Wayne Gifford and send him off to Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and get his wardrobe fixed.  I really like Wayne, but his "attire" is just wrong.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kari on June 11, 2010, 04:39:31 PM
Outside the box:  I would like to see someone snatch up Wayne Gifford and send him off to Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and get his wardrobe fixed.  I really like Wayne, but his "attire" is just wrong.
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Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Jax on June 11, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
Darrell,

Thank you for your observations of facts. Your placing all of the candidates with their qualifications and/or lack thereof is very helpful.

I will refer to this post to share with others so that they can add it to other information to make an informed decision.

Jackie
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on June 13, 2010, 04:39:42 AM
Thanks for the clarification.. Sounds good to me.

I would like to clarify... I'm not "holding" the debate. I simply took the initiative to make the arrangements happen.  William O. Worsham, Attorney at Law will be the neutral moderator.  He is not from this county and has years of experience in all aspects of the law including prosecution and will determine what questions will need to be asked.  He will be determining the questions and who is asked what. He does not know any of the candidates, their history or their party affiliation.  There will be 5-7 questions that will be provided to the candidates prior to the debate to prepare answers and then several questions that will be submitted from the constituents and the candidates, nor I, will know what those ones are.

I really have nothing more to do with the actual debate other than making sure people are where they need to be and at what time.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on June 14, 2010, 03:43:55 AM
I wanted to respond to Darrell's post because I think some of what he wrote needs clarification and a response from me.  I realize it was Darrell's opinion and he was simply responding to what others said, so I have no problem with what he said.  I am just adding my two cents.

1.  On being "relatively new to this county."  I realize this is a matter of opinion on how long you have to live somewhere to not be new, but I don't think I just showed up here.  I have lived in this community for nearly 10 years (I came here in 2000 and the family came and bought our first home here in 2001).  We built our second house here last year and we intend on staying.  We fell in love with the area and the people and chose to stay even though I could have moved several times.  I just wanted to clarify if someone questioned how long my family has been here.

2.  On handling the caseload.  Yes, I was a military prosecutor and I am currently the chief prosecutor in the Missouri National Guard.  I have also been a civilian prosecutor.  For 3 years, part of which I was still in law school, I worked for the Butler County, Ohio Prosecutor's office in Hamilton, Ohio.  This is the suburban county north of Cincinnati and south of Dayton with a population of 400,000.  When I was there the office had 43 assistant prosecutors.  I had the privilege of working up from a law clerk to serving as an assistant prosecutor after I passed the bar.  I handled all sorts of cases, including my own misdemeanor docket where I had charging authority.  I handled nearly 3,000 cases per year and it was busy as I-75 ran right through the middle of my jurisdiction.  I left the office when I came on active duty in the Army to repay my ROTC obligation.  Even in the Army I prosecuted in the civilian arena as a Special Assistant U.S. Attorney.  There, I prosecuted misdemeanors and felonies in Magistrate Court and U.S. District Court in Springfield.  I have also handled over 3000 cases per year in St. Robert as the municipal prosecutor, something I am still doing today.  So, my point is that with my experience as a civilian prosecutor I think I understand the difference between civilian and military prosecutors and the way the offices run. I also am confident that I can handle the caseload based upon my experience gained over the years.

3.  My National Guard Service.  I hope that no one holds it against me that I continue to serve my country and state in the Guard.  Military service is important to me, that's why I did 5 years on active duty and have been in the Guard since 2006.  I find it a little odd that my opponents having no military service (save Ms. Hooper's service on Active Duty in the Army which should be commended) is not questioned, and seen as a plus?  I have 2 kids and a wife so I always have a Plan B if I get the call and have to deploy and serve my country.  For the prosecutor's office, it is quite simple.  I plan on hiring folks who I trust, and can trust if that happens.  I would also use my salary while I would be gone to add attorneys.  I would not double dip.  My assistant would become the acting prosecutor and additional assistants would be added in my absence to fill the gap.  I will also note that there are 2 current county prosecutors in the Guard with me, a Circuit Judge, and 2 others running for county prosecutor, so I am not unique.  I do not plan on micromanaging this office so my assistants will be ready and well qualified to fill the void for the 12 months I could be gone if ever deployed.

4.  On not being known.  I'll agree with Darrell on this one.  I am sure that I am not as well known as some others in this race, however I am not sure they are known for the right reason.  On the other hand, I haven't been a hermit either.  I am an active member of the Waynesville United Methodist Church and have been the trustee chair and financial secretary in the past.  I belong to the United Methodist Men and served as the treasurer for a number of years.  I am currently on the Stewardship/Finance Committee.  My family and I didn't start going to church when I decided to run for office, we have been regular attendees since we moved here and became members when we decided to stay here.  I am a member of the Rotary Club and will be on the board of directors this year.  I am a member of Waynesville Lodge #375 A.F.& A.M.  I am also an active member of the Pulaski County Shrine Club.  I am a member of the Scottish Rite. I referee youth and high school soccer.  I have been president of the Pulaski County Bar Association and have been the treasurer for several years.  I am a graduate of the Missouri Bar's Leadership Academy in 2006 and serve as the Chair of the Military Law Committee.  I am the Municipal Judge in Waynesville (hey, for the St. Robert City Attorney to be appointed the judge in Waynesville means someone must think I am ok).  If you don't know me and want to meet me, call me 336-0788 and I am happy to meet for lunch or whatever. 

5.  On Jeff Thomas being the son of a local lawyer and growing up here carrying weight.  I have had quite a few people from Dixon tell me that Jeff did not grow up in Dixon but lived for the majority of his childhood with his mother in the St. Louis area and did not attend or graduate from Dixon High School.  I am only repeating what I have been told, so someone should check into that if it carries weight to you.  I do not think Jeff's father should be an issue except to point out that for every case that his father would serve as defense counsel, the county would have to pay for a special prosecutor.  When I served as a special prosecutor in the past, I billed the county $100.00 per hour.  That could add up to a lot.

6.  My record is available, including my resume with dates, on my website at www.kevinshillman.com (http://www.kevinshillman.com).  My academic record is there as well (I think I graduated from 2 fine institutions of higher learning, Centre College and the University of Cincinnati College of Law).  I always welcome any questions or comments.  Again, if you want to meet me, just give me a call.  I'll also be out campaigning, so just come up and grab me.

Thanks,
Kevin





B. Kevin Hillman is relatively new to this county, though he has lived here for a number of years. Lots of people outside the legal community don't know him, and while I have had the opportunity to observe his work, not being a "known commodity" is going to be an important problem for a lot of people. He's been a military prosecutor before, but so has Deborah Hooper, and we saw how well that worked out. There are major differences between military and civilian prosecution, the key one being the tremendous fire hose of work civilian prosecutors face, and Kevin needs to answer questions about how he will manage the prosecutor's office and their massive workload. Kevin is also in the Missouri National Guard, and while that's a big positive in my book, some view that as a negative. People need to be aware that he might get called up for active duty and we need to make sure there's a "Plan B" in place in case he's called up. He's been a lawyer in this area for a number of years, though much less than either Wayne Gifford or Deborah Hooper, and the fact that he's worked for Tyce Smith before becoming the St. Robert City Attorney and now also Waynesville Municipal Judge should be taken into account. (Wayne Gifford is also the Crocker prosecutor, BTW, so he also has municipal experience.) He has a track record, though it's thinner than that of Gifford or Hooper. Those who want to vote for Hillman will likely do so because they value experience but believe Gifford is unnecessarily abrasive and Hooper is demonstrably incapable of doing the job.

C. Jeff Thomas is a young lawyer right out of law school, but the fact that he's the son of a local lawyer and grew up in this area can and should carry weight. He also graduated from a law school with a poor reputation, but he's explained to me that he attended that school because he could get through it in one year less than other law schools. That seems like a reasonble explanation to me. Being the son of Jim Thomas is a positive in some people's book and a negative in others, and it needs to be taken into account because unless his father retires, there will have to be many special prosecutors appointed to handle cases in which he or his father were involved as defense attorneys. (That's also an issue for the other two candidates, though it's less of a problem for them because unlike the others who won't have family members currently practicing law, Jeff Thomas' father will still be here in this county and still working.) The major negative against Jeff Thomas is his lack of experience, but the fact is that even with that lack of experience, he was still able to beat Deborah Hooper in a prominent court case. Those who vote for Jeff Thomas will be those who place less value on experience than on knowing the community and being known, and who believe Thomas has proved by beating Hooper in court that youthful energy can be more effective than years in legal practice.
 
So what's the best answer? That's really up to the individual voters and how much value they put on different types of candidate qualifications.
 
Two of the three candidates have been prosecutors before and have track records as good lawyers. With the third candidate, people are taking a risk with a young and relatively inexperienced lawyer, but he's already shown himself better than Hooper in the courtroom. And experience is not the sole factor voters should consider: Hooper is the most experienced of all the Republican candidates, but she's had long enough in office to prove she can't do the job. Some people may also say that having a young and aggressive prosecutor who knows the area well is better than having Gifford or Hillman because of specific things about Hillman or Gifford that they don't like.

I've tried to frame the issues, but nowhere in this post have I told anyone how I will vote, other than that as a Republican I will vote in the Republican primary but will cross over to vote for Gifford if Hooper wins the Republican nomination. I sincerely believe a reasonable voter could make an informed decision to support Hillman, Thomas or Gifford, and any of those three will do a better job than the current prosecutor.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on June 14, 2010, 04:23:37 AM
Kevin, just wanted to say thanks for all you have done for the Acosta Family during this difficult time..
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on June 14, 2010, 04:45:53 AM
Mr. Hillman Sir.
I have a question if you don't mind.
Of all the Jobs that you are doing now, how many will you have to give up if You win your bid for the Pulaski county Prosecutor?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on June 14, 2010, 11:36:06 AM
I appreciate Kevin Hilman's public answers to questions that people are going to ask. Some of the answers he stated publicly are things I already knew because I've already asked him privately, but they're questions that many people have and which need to be answered in public.
 
I also said things regarding Wayne Gifford and Jeff Thomas that need to be addressed in public. I know Wayne well enough to know that he'll answer those questions in an interview, but that may end up waiting until after the primary election because he doesn't have an opponent on the Democratic side of the ballot. I think Jeff will do the same in an interview with me, and also in the upcoming public debate.
 
Kevin Hillman does have a serious name identification problem. One of the most common questions I get about him is this: "Who is this Hillman guy and where did he come from?" I think he's well-known in certain circles but mostly unknown in others -- and that's going to hurt him in the primary.
 
Before anyone raises the issue that Kevin Hillman has been in this county slightly longer than me -- I've seen numerous times that in this area, especially for a lot of the rural long-term residents who are most likely to turn out in primary elections, anyone who didn't grow up here or has lived here for several decades is a "newcomer." That most definitely includes me, and I've been told that in no uncertain terms many, many, many times. And it probably doesn't help that I'm a northerner and a "city boy" -- I've lived in small rural counties before, and the anti-urban sentiment in much of rural Pulaski County is just as strong as I've seen in parts of rural Iowa, and the anti-Yankee sentiment in a few places around here is almost as strong as what I've seen in rural Texas.
 
Pulaski County is very much a divided county. The rural northern part of the county thinks and acts VERY differently from the area closer to Fort Leonard Wood. That has a dramatic effect on our local politics at the county commission level and in the primary elections for countywide offices, and a lesser but still noticeable effect in low-turnout general elections. Some of the things that help people get elected in the November general election are actually hurtful at the primary election level.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on June 14, 2010, 01:24:42 PM
I'll have to resign as city attorney for St. Robert and municipal judge for Waynesville.


Mr. Hillman Sir.
I have a question if you don't mind.
Of all the Jobs that you are doing now, how many will you have to give up if You win your bid for the Pulaski county Prosecutor?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: paloha on June 14, 2010, 05:02:14 PM
I grew up knowing Wayne Gifford...been in the home many times. He's just as rude now as he was a little boy. Yes, he fights hard for whomever he's hired by....stepping on anyone in the way is nothing to him. Personally, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse rather than him.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on June 17, 2010, 05:47:10 PM
I've been gone from this site for quite a while, but I see nothing has changed.  Darrell and maybe some others of you know who I am, so my comments should come as no suprise.  I'm not sure why people are concerned about the relationship between law enforcement and the proscecuter.  From some things I have seen, Pulaski County lacks a lot in law enforcement expertise.  Maybe they don't like being told how to correctly do their jobs, or maybe if they did a better job, the proscecuter could do a better job.  My experience with Ms. Hooper is extensive, and while she may not be the slickest lawyer in town, nobody tries harder.  I think she is exactly what this county needs.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on June 17, 2010, 06:50:34 PM
I've been gone from this site for quite a while, but I see nothing has changed.  Darrell and maybe some others of you know who I am, so my comments should come as no suprise.  I'm not sure why people are concerned about the relationship between law enforcement and the proscecuter.  From some things I have seen, Pulaski County lacks a lot in law enforcement expertise.  Maybe they don't like being told how to correctly do their jobs, or maybe if they did a better job, the proscecuter could do a better job.  My experience with Ms. Hooper is extensive, and while she may not be the slickest lawyer in town, nobody tries harder.  I think she is exactly what this county needs.

Thank you, BigEdd... I think your voice is an important one to hear.

Since you noted my name, I probably ought say a few things.

Deborah Hooper has some supporters in Pulaski County; for example, one man spoke up at the Laquey meeting when Hooper was repeatedly attacked and made clear the critics did not speak for him. Some of those supporters of Hooper are crime victims who either had their cases successfully prosecuted or for whom, in the victim's opinion, Hooper did everything she could to help.

There's one area on which I will not criticize Hooper: It's not fair to call her lazy. She works long hours and tries hard. Sometimes she succeeds, and when she does, the victims on whose behalf Hoooper worked hard often appreciate her hard work.

Of course, there are also other cases and other victims who have a different view of the matter.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 17, 2010, 08:34:17 PM
Thank you, BigEdd... I think your voice is an important one to hear.

Since you noted my name, I probably ought say a few things.

Deborah Hooper has some supporters in Pulaski County; for example, one man spoke up at the Laquey meeting when Hooper was repeatedly attacked and made clear the critics did not speak for him. Some of those supporters of Hooper are crime victims who either had their cases successfully prosecuted or for whom, in the victim's opinion, Hooper did everything she could to help.

There's one area on which I will not criticize Hooper: It's not fair to call her lazy. She works long hours and tries hard. Sometimes she succeeds, and when she does, the victims on whose behalf Hoooper worked hard often appreciate her hard work.

Of course, there are also other cases and other victims who have a different view of the matter.

Trying hard is one thing, I understand that and commend her for her efforts.  However, I can try as hard as I possible can, working endlessly and long hours, but no matter how much "trying" I do I will never be an NBA star.  Just because you try hard that doesn't necessarily mean that is where you talents are.

As Albert Einstein said,  "Everybody is a genius. But, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing it is stupid." Perhaps she's a fish and the PA's office is a tree she's trying to climb.

In addition, with all her trying she still doesn't have a good track record.  Why would you want to continue having someone who has to try with everything in them to do a less than mediocre job when someone else with half the effort could do three times as good of a job?

And the relationship between LE and the prosecutor is a very pertinent subject matter when it comes to elections.  LE and the PA will not always agree, they will not always see eye to eye, but they do have to be cordial enough to work together, they are on the same team.  The PA has to have a good rapport with officers so that when they correct them it's actually received and reapplied.

Part of the PA's job is to educate officers on how to do their jobs better, what they need to include in reports, what kinds of questions to ask when talking to witnesses/victims so the PA may do his/her job better.  Has she EVER taken time to schedule officer education?  No.... this is something done regularly in other counties, including smaller counties like Webster and Dallas, not just the big counties.

Her organizational skills leave a lot to be desired too.  When you have subpoenas repeatedly given to officers the DAY OF a scheduled hearing or trial it is going cause problems between them, especially when officers have odd days off and sleep on odd schedules. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on June 17, 2010, 09:06:46 PM
ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT POST
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on June 18, 2010, 12:35:51 PM
People speak of this "track record" a lot.  Does anyone have any official statistics?  How many cases filed, how many tried, how many plea bargained, how many convicted, how many dismissed, etc.?  What is her percentage of success compared to previous prosecutors?  As far as training LE, if I were the chief of an agency that needed training, I would consider it my responsibility to get the training.  I might go to the prosecutor for the training, or I might go elsewhere, like the State.  Has anything like that occured?  As far as organizational skills, I seem to recall similar comments made about the previous prosecutor.  I'm not sure it is a matter of skill as much as funding to hire administrative personnel in the office.  We all know the county has money problems.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on June 18, 2010, 02:29:47 PM
The case numbers are shown in this thread somewhere - one of us could look them up.   Its hard to go somewhere to get training on what this PA whats from officers.  I think the PA office has the same resources they have had in the past yet the case work is down 30-50%.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on June 18, 2010, 02:57:26 PM
These are valid questions. I've done some of the statistical work a couple of years ago and printed it on the front page of the Waynesville Daily Guide; more recently others have done similar digging.

YankeeTrader, can you please help here by giving up-to-date info to Ed?

The summary, however, is that Deborah Hooper's track record is horrible.

Things are so bad that when people pay their traffic tickets AND SIGN THE FORM PLEADING GUILTY, at one point Circuit Clerk Rachelle Beasley was having to mail thousands of dollars of money back to the people who had tried to pay their traffic tickets because Hooper had failed to file the tickets within the statute of limitations. The county was at one point risking losing state-funded personnel in the circuit clerk's office because the caseload filed by Hooper had dropped so badly.

Things are somewhat better now, in part because Hooper's actions were so obviously unacceptable that everybody, even her, agreed something had to be done to address the mess.

I realize most of the money from traffic fines goes to other places, but the total number of cases filed **IS** key to showing the state that the number of personnel in the circuit clerk's office is justified. When the county is in dire financial straits, mailing back money from tickets because the prosecutor can't be bothered to file them before the statute of limitations runs out is beyond belief. That's not just a poor management decision, it is incompetence.

People speak of this "track record" a lot.  Does anyone have any official statistics?  How many cases filed, how many tried, how many plea bargained, how many convicted, how many dismissed, etc.?  What is her percentage of success compared to previous prosecutors?  As far as training LE, if I were the chief of an agency that needed training, I would consider it my responsibility to get the training.  I might go to the prosecutor for the training, or I might go elsewhere, like the State.  Has anything like that occured?  As far as organizational skills, I seem to recall similar comments made about the previous prosecutor.  I'm not sure it is a matter of skill as much as funding to hire administrative personnel in the office.  We all know the county has money problems.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 18, 2010, 03:38:15 PM
These are valid questions. I've done some of the statistical work a couple of years ago and printed it on the front page of the Waynesville Daily Guide; more recently others have done similar digging.

YankeeTrader, can you please help here by giving up-to-date info to Ed?

The summary, however, is that Deborah Hooper's track record is horrible.

Things are so bad that when people pay their traffic tickets AND SIGN THE FORM PLEADING GUILTY, at one point Circuit Clerk Rachelle Beasley was having to mail thousands of dollars of money back to the people who had tried to pay their traffic tickets because Hooper had failed to file the tickets within the statute of limitations. The county was at one point risking losing state-funded personnel in the circuit clerk's office because the caseload filed by Hooper had dropped so badly.

Things are somewhat better now, in part because Hooper's actions were so obviously unacceptable that everybody, even her, agreed something had to be done to address the mess.

I realize most of the money from traffic fines goes to other places, but the total number of cases filed **IS** key to showing the state that the number of personnel in the circuit clerk's office is justified. When the county is in dire financial straits, mailing back money from tickets because the prosecutor can't be bothered to file them before the statute of limitations runs out is beyond belief. That's not just a poor management decision, it is incompetence.


Especially when all you have to do as a PA for traffic tickets is sign your name.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: tpgunbiz on June 19, 2010, 01:28:39 AM
See also how many bad checks have been prosecuted while she has been in office.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on June 19, 2010, 04:04:19 PM
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YankeeTrader, can you please help here by giving up-to-date info to Ed?




I am on the laptop this weekend.  When I get back to the desktop Monday with my bookmarks I will try to get a summary year to date the way I did last time.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on June 19, 2010, 04:05:55 PM
See also how many bad checks have been prosecuted while she has been in office.

If I remember right she is using the bad check cases to fund part of her office.  Can't rightly blame her there with the dismal financial picture of our County due to no LE tax helping at least part of it.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on June 23, 2010, 01:30:37 PM
Wayne Gifford has accepted the invitation to the debate.  The only candidate I have not heard from is Deborah Hooper.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: petersam on June 23, 2010, 11:45:11 PM
I grew up knowing Wayne Gifford...been in the home many times. He's just as rude now as he was a little boy. Yes, he fights hard for whomever he's hired by....stepping on anyone in the way is nothing to him. Personally, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse rather than him.

I know this is a little off-topic too but since we're discussing candidates here, I wanted to throw in our two cents.  We have quite the record with Gifford and that man is half nutty.  You simply could not pay me, or anyone in my family for that matter, to vote for this man.  We spent two years dealing with him in a divorce case and during that time, he was so incompetent that he honestly couldn't even get the official decree issued.  In the end he was threatened with contempt by the judge for not performing his job correctly and we we got incredibly close to reporting him to the Mo Bar for fraud when he could not account for the money we had given him and how it had been spent.  Eventually he had to refund us THOUSANDS of dollars because he had taken the money and could not show that any of the portion refunded went to help our case.

I would think that someone who can't even manage to sign and mail in a paper to the courts, would probably have the same kind of record Hooper does.  I simply cannot figure out how this man still has a practice.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on June 24, 2010, 01:25:11 AM
Judging by the fact that you were getting divorced, your probably hard to please anyway.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Racer on June 24, 2010, 01:39:01 AM
Judging by the fact that you were getting divorced, your probably hard to please anyway.



Oh that's just mean..   :shame:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: petersam on June 24, 2010, 11:49:44 AM
Judging by the fact that you were getting divorced, your probably hard to please anyway.

I wasn't getting divorced, Waynesvillian.  Nice try with your little dig there though :).
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on June 24, 2010, 03:15:09 PM
"We spent two years dealing with him in a divorce case"   
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: petersam on June 24, 2010, 09:58:32 PM
"We" as in the royal we.  My family.  It was not my divorce but I think it's cute that you're making my personal experience with Mr. Gifford about the fact that I might have gotten divorced at some point in my life.  Adorable!

Glad to see Gifford's got at least one vote here in town though.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: DocWIN0 on June 29, 2010, 12:07:43 PM
Quote from: Supporter of Kangaroo-Court
“Sadly, the jury decided the verdict based upon the evidence placed before them,” Hooper said. “Apparently, they did not believe the victim.”


Wow, am i the only one who found this attitude to be disturbing? Perhaps not...Stalin and his cadre of 'professional-witnesses' found 'evidence' to be the major hurdle which blocked the path of a fair trial. Fair for the State anyhow...
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on June 30, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
I am on the laptop this weekend.  When I get back to the desktop Monday with my bookmarks I will try to get a summary year to date the way I did last time.

 ??? ???
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on July 08, 2010, 03:18:20 AM
Here are the numbers of criminal cases filed that was requested.  The source for these numbers is the Circuit Clerk's office.  Draw your own conclusions.
 
Year     Cases Filed          Prosecutor
2000     2458                  Headrick
2001     2070                  Headrick
2002     1823                  Headrick
2003     1496                  Kriebs
2004     1516                  Kriebs
2005     1522                  Kriebs
2006     1709                  Kriebs
2007      977                   Hooper
2008     1022                  Hooper
2009     1022                  Hooper
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on July 08, 2010, 12:27:14 PM
These are meaningless statistics.  What does the number of cases filed have to do with anything??  The percentage of convictions would be more meaningful.  I have never heard a candidate campaign on the number of cases he/she intends to file.  Is that what you are running on??
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 08, 2010, 03:34:52 PM
those numbers next to the Sheriff's calls for service numbers might be interesting.


 
Here are the numbers of criminal cases filed that was requested.  The source for these numbers is the Circuit Clerk's office.  Draw your own conclusions.
 
Year     Cases Filed          Prosecutor
2000     2458                  Headrick
2001     2070                  Headrick
2002     1823                  Headrick
2003     1496                  Kriebs
2004     1516                  Kriebs
2005     1522                  Kriebs
2006     1709                  Kriebs
2007      977                   Hooper
2008     1022                  Hooper
2009     1022                  Hooper
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on July 08, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
These are meaningless statistics.  What does the number of cases filed have to do with anything??  The percentage of convictions would be more meaningful.  I have never heard a candidate campaign on the number of cases he/she intends to file.  Is that what you are running on??

It doesnt matter half the people in this county would look at that chart and think it was meaningful and 1/3 of the remainder cant even read.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on July 08, 2010, 03:45:21 PM
So that's why you don't understand the links you post.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 08, 2010, 04:34:08 PM
God forbid he might want to fight crime here. Really? Really!

These are meaningless statistics.  What does the number of cases filed have to do with anything??  The percentage of convictions would be more meaningful.  I have never heard a candidate campaign on the number of cases he/she intends to file.  Is that what you are running on??
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 08, 2010, 04:38:15 PM
Those statistics mean a whole lot if you're the victim in a case that was never filed on.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: taximan on July 08, 2010, 05:07:08 PM
Is there a statistic showing the number of cases filed verses the number of cases actually prosecuted and sucessfully won?  That number would probably mean a heck of alot more than just mere number of cases filed.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on July 08, 2010, 06:35:38 PM
Amen.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on July 08, 2010, 07:28:27 PM
Let me respond to your post.  I posted these numbers because they had been requested and I was able to get the numbers from the Circuit Clerk's office.  I have never stated that I am running on the number of cases I will file.  I think I have stated why I am running a number of times on this site, or I would encourage you to check my website for more info on me.  I am running because I think I am the best person to bring positive changes to the prosecutor's office and run it in a professional manner. 

If you think the current prosecutor is doing a good job and the office is running good, then by all means vote for her.  I would challenge you to speak with the law enforcement officer who work with her while they are off duty and get their opinion.  I would also encourage you to speak with the other people in the courthouse to see what they think.  If they tell you she is doing great, then go with it.

Finally, I will disagree with you that they are meaningless statistics.  I think the conviction rate can be meaningless because a prosecutor could file on only cases they know for sure they are going to win.  Thus, they will have a 100% conviction rate and 10 cases filed in a year.  Do you count plea bargins as a conviction? What about an acquital on the most serious charge and a conviction on something less?  Does that count?  Those can be easily manipulated.  These numbers are the raw numbers and meaningful because either the crime rate dropped by around 40% from 2006 to 2007 or there are not as many crimes being prosecuted in this county.   

These are meaningless statistics.  What does the number of cases filed have to do with anything??  The percentage of convictions would be more meaningful.  I have never heard a candidate campaign on the number of cases he/she intends to file.  Is that what you are running on??
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: bigedd on July 08, 2010, 07:40:55 PM
Mr. Hillman, I realize you don't know who I am, but I think we have just about beat this horse to death.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on July 08, 2010, 09:05:13 PM
You are right, you have the benefit of knowing who I am and I do not know who you are.  Feel free to call me, e-mail me, personal message me, or stop by St. Robert City Hall if you would like to discuss any of my positions.  I realize that as a candidate it is a risk to come on a forum like this and I can be attacked, but I think it is important for people to know who they are voting for and this is one way for them to find out.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: CreationsCandleShop on July 08, 2010, 09:22:35 PM
Crime has definately NOT dropped, the crimes are not being prosecuted......Remember when the Waynesville square was closed off due to the fact a person sent a lady a letter through the mail which included a white substance in it and she took it to the Sherriffs Dept and hazmat, local police, and local surrounding fire stations were called in to start evacuating the surrounding area (on the Saturday during frogfest). NOTHING was ever done about that felony offense, it was just brushed up under the rug, in fact the man that the Order of protection was taken out against actually broke the order over 10 times and still NOTHING was done. Genice, whom is the pulaski county legal advocate was told by Deborah Hooper NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VICTUM (which is an offense to be reported to the legal bar). So she had to move out of the state to protect herself........I think this atrocity speaks volumes. And to even try to get to her, the man that had the Order of protection against him even sent mail addressed from the post master (posing as the post master) and she contacted the post master and the post master didn't know anything about it......In any other state these actions above would be considered felony offences or at least brought up on charges.  Maybe it's just me but to pose as a federal official sounds criminal to me.  At least the postal service has opened up two federal investigations so maybe something will be done to stop these types of criminal actions.
 
****And yes Mr Kevin Hillman, I would love to hear some of your positions in cases like this.
 
 
Let me respond to your post.  I posted these numbers because they had been requested and I was able to get the numbers from the Circuit Clerk's office.  I have never stated that I am running on the number of cases I will file.  I think I have stated why I am running a number of times on this site, or I would encourage you to check my website for more info on me.  I am running because I think I am the best person to bring positive changes to the prosecutor's office and run it in a professional manner. 

If you think the current prosecutor is doing a good job and the office is running good, then by all means vote for her.  I would challenge you to speak with the law enforcement officer who work with her while they are off duty and get their opinion.  I would also encourage you to speak with the other people in the courthouse to see what they think.  If they tell you she is doing great, then go with it.

Finally, I will disagree with you that they are meaningless statistics.  I think the conviction rate can be meaningless because a prosecutor could file on only cases they know for sure they are going to win.  Thus, they will have a 100% conviction rate and 10 cases filed in a year.  Do you count plea bargins as a conviction? What about an acquital on the most serious charge and a conviction on something less?  Does that count?  Those can be easily manipulated.  These numbers are the raw numbers and meaningful because either the crime rate dropped by around 40% from 2006 to 2007 or there are not as many crimes being prosecuted in this county.   
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on July 09, 2010, 03:21:32 AM
I do not know all of the facts of the case you are talking about so it is tough for me to comment on it specifically.  However, I will say that I will agressively prosecute cases and incidents such as this will not be swept under the rug.  Sorry I can't be more specific but I just do not know of the incident you are talking about.

Crime has definately NOT dropped, the crimes are not being prosecuted......Remember when the Waynesville square was closed off due to the fact a person sent a lady a letter through the mail which included a white substance in it and she took it to the Sherriffs Dept and hazmat, local police, and local surrounding fire stations were called in to start evacuating the surrounding area (on the Saturday during frogfest). NOTHING was ever done about that felony offense, it was just brushed up under the rug, in fact the man that the Order of protection was taken out against actually broke the order over 10 times and still NOTHING was done. Genice, whom is the pulaski county legal advocate was told by Deborah Hooper NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VICTUM (which is an offense to be reported to the legal bar). So she had to move out of the state to protect herself........I think this atrocity speaks volumes. And to even try to get to her, the man that had the Order of protection against him even sent mail addressed from the post master (posing as the post master) and she contacted the post master and the post master didn't know anything about it......In any other state these actions above would be considered felony offences or at least brought up on charges.  Maybe it's just me but to pose as a federal official sounds criminal to me.  At least the postal service has opened up two federal investigations so maybe something will be done to stop these types of criminal actions.
 
****And yes Mr Kevin Hillman, I would love to hear some of your positions in cases like this.
 
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on July 11, 2010, 06:22:50 PM
Part One
Part One
   All Crime
Year
       Rural
             
          All
2001
332
819
1656
2002
321
728
1598
2003
240
706
1555
2004
252
714
1536
2005
366
844
2375
2006
373
965
2067
2007
370
959
2218
2008
252
1199
1451
2009
408
1913
2321
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on July 11, 2010, 06:43:52 PM
I have posted the Uniform Crime Reports stats on the numbers of arrests in Pulaski County. They are broken down by; rural, and all. They are broken down by part one crimes the ten or so most serious and by part two all REPORTABLE crimes which are the 20 or so most normal crimes. Then at the end we have total arrests for all of Pulaski County as in the 2,321 figure for 2009.
 
Remember that these are only the 30-35 most common statutes that are violated and filed on. Some govt. employee chose these as the reporting norm and all Pulaski County LE agencies submit the numbers to the UCR system.
 
So in simple terms you can say that the majority of the 2,321 arrests for 2009 made it to the PA for consideration along with a few others that are not a reportable offense. And you can also say that not every arrest did warrant a case file or PC statement to the PA. Believe it or not most LE weed out bad or weak cases when they can and do not send them forward. You can also say that in many cases of he said/she said the case file is sent to the PA for a final decision on a case that does not have a lot of facts.
 
So bottom line is that in 2009 roughly 2,321 cases may have gone to the PA for review.
 
If you want to see what a UCR report looks like go the the MSHP web site and enter a UCR question into the system. I tried to import a UCR PDF file to post here and could not get the job done.
 
    JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on July 11, 2010, 08:25:31 PM
So as the number of crimes increases the number of cases filled goes down.   Doesn't this mean that we are holding more people in county jail at our expense rather than putting them through the system and out of our jail.??  Therefore, Hooper can claim more expense for the county as one of her accomplishments.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on July 11, 2010, 09:04:19 PM
So as the number of crimes increases the number of cases filled goes down.   Doesn't this mean that we are holding more people in county jail at our expense rather than putting them through the system and out of our jail.??  Therefore, Hooper can claim more expense for the county as one of her accomplishments.


nah, they are just released to go do it again, cause they cant be held without charges filed
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: taximan on July 12, 2010, 11:28:50 AM
So bottom line is that in 2009 roughly 2,321 cases may have gone to the PA for review.
 
Using that logic, in 2001, roughly 1656 cases went to the PA for review, and 2070 cases got filed.
 
The bottom line is that it is easier being on the outside looking in, no matter what it is.  The praises that are heaped upon a person while they are compaigning can quickly disappear once they are in the office they run for.  The thing to remember is that when you are seeking an office that requires people to vote you in, no matter what it is, that makes that person a politician, no matter if it's running for a secratary, a prosecuter, a sherriff, or whatever it is.  You say what it takes to get you there, you say what it takes to keep it.  If you've never had the office before, you don't know all the inside things that go along with it, and no matter what it is, everybody answers to somebody.
 
 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: tpgunbiz on July 13, 2010, 08:14:32 AM
The fact is we need a new prosecuter. Weather it be my fav, your fav or even the agressive guy, we need a new one. too many real criminals have walked due to Hoopers lack of prosecution , just read the news. She is above and beyond the laziest and incompetent prosicuter this county has had in a long while. I say vote for Kevin, hes new blood and not and old fogey like all the others here. lets progress the community, not leave it in old times.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: smcollins0359 on July 15, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
Choices for Pulaski County Prosecutor:
 
As the former Special Agent in Charge of the US Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID) at Fort Leonard Wood, I have had the opportunity to work with and or closely observe the professionalism, effectiveness and other qualifications of many of the attorneys within Pulaski County; consequently, I feel that I should share my observations with my fellow Pulaski County voters.  Of course we all have to make our own decisions, but the more facts and information we have to make informed decisions, the better our decisions generally are.  I don’t have strong personal ties to any of the candidates and don’t socialize with any of them.  The below input is provided for your consideration and is merely based on my personal observations and opinions.  Please don’t take anything I say as anything more than my personal opinion, which is designed to offer information voter should research and come to their own conclusions when it comes time to cast your vote. 
 
HOOPER:  I can say with relative certainty that most law enforcement officials I’ve worked with in Pulaski County are to say the least disappointed and frustrated by Mrs. HOOPER’s performance in the position she currently holds.  She seems to do things her way despite whatever advise or input is offered to her by law enforcement officers, which tends to create a rift between the two communities … this is a huge negative in that police and prosecutors should foster strong working relationships , trust and mutual respect.  I think this is going to cost her severely in the upcoming election.  I think she has forgotten that she serves the people of this county and that she’s supposed to be part of a team. 
 
GIFFORD:  Through all of my experiences with Mr. GIFFORD, he seems very competent as a trial attorney, he has a great deal of litigation experience and is qualified to serve as the District Attorney; however, he is pretty well known for having an abrasive personality, which is not a great trait for any elected official.  In my opinion, this attribute of his personality alone gives me pause in voting for him, as I see a strong potential that he will repeat the mistakes of Mrs. HOOPER in doing things his way and forgetting who he serves and that he’s supposed to be a part of a team charged with protecting society. 
 
HILLMAN:  I was a case agent at Fort Leonard Wood in the mid-1990s when Mr. HILLMAN was a military prosecutor, and I have to say he was pretty good at his job.  He has a good deal of experience and in my opinion is very competent.  He is not a native of the Ozarks, but neither am I … I’ve been in and out of the Pulaski County area since 1985, so if this is the criteria for public service neither Mr. HILLMAN nor myself meet it?  Having said that, all of my experiences with Mr. HILLMAN indicate to me that he listens to law enforcement, as well as the will of the people and he tends to make well thought out and sound decisions.  I see him as someone who can rebuild a strong team between the prosecutor’s office, law enforcement and the people of this amazing county.  For these reasons, he’s earned my vote.   
 
THOMAS:  By all accounts Mr. THOMAS is a great guy and earnestly wants to do the right thing; however, this time last year he was in law school.  In my opinion the District Attorney of any jurisdiction has to have a proven track record as a litigator … they need to intimately understand the ins and outs of the judicial system from a practical rather than theoretical standpoint.  We cannot afford to have him make his rookie mistakes as the District Attorney.  In my opinion his father’s experience as an attorney no more qualifies him to be a prosecutor than my experience makes my son qualified to be a federal agent. 
 
I hope this helps some of you … all I ask is that we all do our own research and vote based on what we each think is best for the community, not who we grew up with, what party we belong to, or merely what someone else told us.  So don’t take anything I’ve said as fact, do the research and come to your own conclusions. 
 
Very Respectfully,
Shaun M. Collins
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: smcollins0359 on July 15, 2010, 04:20:51 PM
Dear Waynesvillian,
 
I find it interesting that someone unwilling to display their name would assert that an opinion apparently different than yours is bought and paid for?  Nobody on the face of this planet can afford to buy my opinion, which is why I'm not afraid to use my actual name. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on July 15, 2010, 04:25:00 PM
u mad?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: smcollins0359 on July 15, 2010, 04:36:17 PM
Merely unimpressed.  I would think people would want to develop a strong government, not make a mockery of others attempts to do so.  It would appear we're on here for different reasons.  I don't want four more years of regret ... and you?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on July 15, 2010, 04:42:12 PM
Well my initial comment was because I was clearly unimpressed about how you managed to rehash what was already said about each and every candidate pretty much word for word by others here, which led me to believe there was an alterior motive afoot, as for the who gets the PA position, i honestly dont care, although with hooper i could rest easy knowing that if I get speeding tickets in Pulaski County there would be a 75% chance nothing would come of it. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: smcollins0359 on July 15, 2010, 04:58:10 PM
That is a much better comment, one that has a point and potentially valid concerns that I think people would be better served by than your initial approach.  However, I did not rehash anyone else’s comments; the comments I wrote were my original thoughts and observations.  If others are saying similar things, they might be an indication of a pattern more than a conspiracy??  I don't want anyone to take anyone’s word for anything ... I want them to become informed and make a good decision.  When we elect officials, we owe it to ourselves to pick the best one possible.  I firmly believe if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem and I would urge you to make valid points rather than banter ... you will be helping others and making a positive impact.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 15, 2010, 06:30:42 PM
Reminder:

Debate is tomorrow at 6pm at the Parker Fine Arts building.

All but Hooper will be present for the debate.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on July 15, 2010, 07:59:15 PM
InB4 deborah smearing about not attending.......Shooting trials are far more important wouldnt everyone agree?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 15, 2010, 08:08:17 PM
InB4 deborah smearing about not attending.......Shooting trials are far more important wouldnt everyone agree?

She had months to prepare for this event and it's at 6pm on a Friday night.  No trial would interfere with this debate.

The point of her not attending is one thing, the fact that she never even bothered to respond is another.

It is just poor etiquette to receive an invitation to something and simply not respond.  That shows a lack of care for anyone else.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on July 15, 2010, 08:23:21 PM
Ill file your response in the Another person having no idea what it takes to try a case file.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 15, 2010, 08:29:13 PM
Ill file your response in the Another person having no idea what it takes to try a case file.

hahaha If you only knew you would realize how ignorant that statement is. :-)  A simple email, all of 1 minute of time, declining is all it would have taken.  She has been out door to door lately campaigning so she really has had time to respond.  The excuse of a trial is weak at best.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 15, 2010, 09:09:52 PM
Kudos.

Dear Waynesvillian,
 
I find it interesting that someone unwilling to display their name would assert that an opinion apparently different than yours is bought and paid for?  Nobody on the face of this planet can afford to buy my opinion, which is why I'm not afraid to use my actual name. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Racer on July 15, 2010, 09:16:06 PM
Choices for Pulaski County Prosecutor:
 
As the former Special Agent in Charge of the US Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID) at Fort Leonard Wood, I have had the opportunity to work with and or closely observe the professionalism, effectiveness and other qualifications of many of the attorneys within Pulaski County; consequently, I feel that I should share my observations with my fellow Pulaski County voters.  Of course we all have to make our own decisions, but the more facts and information we have to make informed decisions, the better our decisions generally are.  I don’t have strong personal ties to any of the candidates and don’t socialize with any of them.  The below input is provided for your consideration and is merely based on my personal observations and opinions.  Please don’t take anything I say as anything more than my personal opinion, which is designed to offer information voter should research and come to their own conclusions when it comes time to cast your vote. 
 
HOOPER:  I can say with relative certainty that most law enforcement officials I’ve worked with in Pulaski County are to say the least disappointed and frustrated by Mrs. HOOPER’s performance in the position she currently holds.  She seems to do things her way despite whatever advise or input is offered to her by law enforcement officers, which tends to create a rift between the two communities … this is a huge negative in that police and prosecutors should foster strong working relationships , trust and mutual respect.  I think this is going to cost her severely in the upcoming election.  I think she has forgotten that she serves the people of this county and that she’s supposed to be part of a team. 
 
GIFFORD:  Through all of my experiences with Mr. GIFFORD, he seems very competent as a trial attorney, he has a great deal of litigation experience and is qualified to serve as the District Attorney; however, he is pretty well known for having an abrasive personality, which is not a great trait for any elected official.  In my opinion, this attribute of his personality alone gives me pause in voting for him, as I see a strong potential that he will repeat the mistakes of Mrs. HOOPER in doing things his way and forgetting who he serves and that he’s supposed to be a part of a team charged with protecting society. 
 
HILLMAN:  I was a case agent at Fort Leonard Wood in the mid-1990s when Mr. HILLMAN was a military prosecutor, and I have to say he was pretty good at his job.  He has a good deal of experience and in my opinion is very competent.  He is not a native of the Ozarks, but neither am I … I’ve been in and out of the Pulaski County area since 1985, so if this is the criteria for public service neither Mr. HILLMAN nor myself meet it?  Having said that, all of my experiences with Mr. HILLMAN indicate to me that he listens to law enforcement, as well as the will of the people and he tends to make well thought out and sound decisions.  I see him as someone who can rebuild a strong team between the prosecutor’s office, law enforcement and the people of this amazing county.  For these reasons, he’s earned my vote.   
 
THOMAS:  By all accounts Mr. THOMAS is a great guy and earnestly wants to do the right thing; however, this time last year he was in law school.  In my opinion the District Attorney of any jurisdiction has to have a proven track record as a litigator … they need to intimately understand the ins and outs of the judicial system from a practical rather than theoretical standpoint.  We cannot afford to have him make his rookie mistakes as the District Attorney.  In my opinion his father’s experience as an attorney no more qualifies him to be a prosecutor than my experience makes my son qualified to be a federal agent. 
 
I hope this helps some of you … all I ask is that we all do our own research and vote based on what we each think is best for the community, not who we grew up with, what party we belong to, or merely what someone else told us.  So don’t take anything I’ve said as fact, do the research and come to your own conclusions. 
 
Very Respectfully,
Shaun M. Collins

Thank you for your well stated and professional opinion.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on July 15, 2010, 09:47:34 PM
hahaha If you only knew you would realize how ignorant that statement is. :-)  A simple email, all of 1 minute of time, declining is all it would have taken.  She has been out door to door lately campaigning so she really has had time to respond.  The excuse of a trial is weak at best.

Im confused why you think your owed anything?  Actually imo its in hoopers best interest not to attend this debate and let the other 3 candidates lose votes to each other, helping her chances.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 15, 2010, 11:52:30 PM

Im confused why you think your owed anything?  Actually imo its in hoopers best interest not to attend this debate and let the other 3 candidates lose votes to each other, helping her chances.

I do feel that she owes every one in this county an opportunity to see what she's about, what her skills are and how she thinks she can better this county.  We are HIRING her for a job by electing her.  So yes I do feel she OWES me the courtesy of telling me why she should get my vote. 

I will no longer be addressing you because you are obviously here just to cause a ruckus.  You have stated very clearly that you don't care who's elected and as you stated earlier you probably prefer Hooper because won't get in trouble if you get a speeding ticket.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 16, 2010, 12:04:50 AM
Her no showing the debate show what she thinks of the people of the county,  She has been doing the job for a few days now, how much prep would she have to do?  far less than any of the challengers I would think.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: tpgunbiz on July 16, 2010, 08:02:44 AM
Im glad she isnt showing, people dont need any BS to base their opinions on.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Waynesvillian on July 16, 2010, 03:32:53 PM
I do feel that she owes every one in this county an opportunity to see what she's about, what her skills are and how she thinks she can better this county.  We are HIRING her for a job by electing her.  So yes I do feel she OWES me the courtesy of telling me why she should get my vote. 

I will no longer be addressing you because you are obviously here just to cause a ruckus.  You have stated very clearly that you don't care who's elected and as you stated earlier you probably prefer Hooper because won't get in trouble if you get a speeding ticket.

You werent going to vote for her anyway. Dont you work for hillman anyway?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on July 16, 2010, 07:41:17 PM

You werent going to vote for her anyway. Dont you work for hillman anyway?


   No she does not,  She is a professional mom.

         JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 16, 2010, 07:44:58 PM

   No she does not,  She is a professional mom.

         JB

Actually that's inaccurate as well. I work in publishing currently formatting books in foreign languages, but I suppose being a professional mom would make sense given the number of children I have. ahaha
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on July 16, 2010, 08:58:11 PM
Actually that's inaccurate as well. I work in publishing currently formatting books in foreign languages, but I suppose being a professional mom would make sense given the number of children I have. ahaha


Well I will be dinged,  a fellow book writer?????  Welcome aboard! Sorry about the lack of accuracy.
JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2010, 01:48:29 AM
Hoopers response to the prosecutorial debate was that they lied and she won't come on the gossip site to defend herself. Her words to me..
 
It was clear to me she reads this gossip site though.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on July 31, 2010, 02:15:07 AM
It's common knowledge in this community that many Koreans living around here are American citizens because they're married to soldiers but often don't understand English well enough to follow the news on a regular basis. That means many Koreans have no easy way to know what the candidates believe unless someone translates ads or newspaper articles for them.
 
In addition to the English-language ads on the Pulaski County Daily News, Jeff Thomas and Kevin Hillman have both arranged to translate their ads into Korean for potential Korean voters.
 
The ads have been distributed to Korean businesspeople in Pulaski County and also in Korean-owned stores and businesses. However, a lot of people on this site know Koreans, so here are downloadable copies of the Jeff Thomas for Prosecutor ad. These can be viewed online, or downloaded to a computer and printed out using a standard printer.
 
Feel free to pass these ads on to any Koreans you know who may be interested, or view them yourself if you want to see what a Korean-languge campaign advertisement looks like.
 
FRONT: http://pulaskicountyweb.com/files/image/UPLOAD-JeffThomasCampaign2010A_Koreanfront.jpg (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/files/image/UPLOAD-JeffThomasCampaign2010A_Koreanfront.jpg)
 
BACK: http://pulaskicountyweb.com/files/image/UPLOAD-JeffThomasCampaign2010A_Koreanback.jpg (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/files/image/UPLOAD-JeffThomasCampaign2010A_Koreanback.jpg)
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 02:42:14 AM
Darrell, will Kevin Hillman get the same courtesy of posting his bilingual campaign ad that you are providing for Mr. Thomas? I am going out on a limb here and assume that you will be so as not to present the slant of favoritism.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on July 31, 2010, 02:51:01 AM
Darrell, will Kevin Hillman get the same courtesy of posting his bilingual campaign ad that you are providing for Mr. Thomas? I am going out on a limb here and assume that you will be so as not to present the slant of favoritism.
Please read it again HCC.
"In addition to the English-language ads on the Pulaski County Daily News, Jeff Thomas and Kevin Hillman have both arranged to translate their ads into Korean for potential Korean voters."

 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 03:04:53 AM
Roger that Maynard! I was referring to the "link" to the actual ad that Darrell made available to "pass on to any Koreans you may know". I did not see the same links for the Hillman ad that was referenced for dissemination. Or am I missing the boat?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on July 31, 2010, 03:10:28 AM
Roger that Maynard! I was referring to the "link" to the actual ad that Darrell made available to "pass on to any Koreans you may know". I did not see the same links for the Hillman ad that was referenced for dissemination. Or am I missing the boat?
Cool.......I gotcha  :wink1a:   :{:{:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2010, 03:38:16 AM
You noticed that too?
 
 
Roger that Maynard! I was referring to the "link" to the actual ad that Darrell made available to "pass on to any Koreans you may know". I did not see the same links for the Hillman ad that was referenced for dissemination. Or am I missing the boat?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on July 31, 2010, 03:40:05 AM
Here is the link to my Korean advertisement:  http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=150661&l=47a0d2eff4&id=100000960483143 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=150661&l=47a0d2eff4&id=100000960483143)
 
Special thanks to Dr. Anne Maurina for helping to translate this for me.  Please pass this along to anyone who may be interested.
 
Also, please come and meet me and have some coffee and ice cream on me tomorrow.  7-9 am at Westside Cafe in Waynesville, free cofee.  2-4 pm Tastebuds in Richland (corner of Hwy 7 and A), free ice-cream.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 31, 2010, 03:45:54 AM
Hoopers response to the prosecutorial debate was that they lied and she won't come on the gossip site to defend herself. Her words to me..
 
It was clear to me she reads this gossip site though.

Who lied? She better not be suggesting that I lied. The debate was done with absolute integrity.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 03:49:24 AM
Darrell. When you get a break in your otherwise busy schedule, can you hook a brother up and provide the same relief to Mr. Hillman that you gave to Mr. Thomas? I just know it was an oversight, but really Darrell, where's the love?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2010, 03:57:31 AM
Cheapster.

Here is the link to my Korean advertisement:  http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=150661&l=47a0d2eff4&id=100000960483143 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=150661&l=47a0d2eff4&id=100000960483143)
 
Special thanks to Dr. Anne Maurina for helping to translate this for me.  Please pass this along to anyone who may be interested.
 
Also, please come and meet me and have some coffee and ice cream on me tomorrow.  7-9 am at Westside Cafe in Waynesville, free cofee.  2-4 pm Tastebuds in Richland (corner of Hwy 7 and A), free ice-cream.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 03:58:02 AM
Oh Hooper reads this site with vigor, and makes sure everyone at Westside Baptist knows what slanderous lies are spread about her on this site. That dog don't hunt this election cycle Deborah. The opportunity was your's to make a difference and the fault is at your doorstep.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2010, 03:58:32 AM
Pretty sure she meant the candidates.

Who lied? She better not be suggesting that I lied. The debate was done with absolute integrity.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2010, 04:00:01 AM
Surprised she defends herself from a gossip site that she shrugs off as insignificant.. Again we shall see how insignificant we gossipers are at the polls.. Theres a lesson we can learn from her..
 
I think her only saving grace would be that her oponents votes are split between Hillman and Thomas, either way we will get a count on her oponents and her proponents.


Oh Hooper reads this site with vigor, and makes sure everyone at Westside Baptist knows what slanderous lies are spread about her on this site. That dog don't hunt this election cycle Deborah. The opportunity was your's to make a difference and the fault is at your doorstep.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on July 31, 2010, 04:08:07 AM
I am guessing there will be a lot of coffee drunk tomorrow morning, so I'll be paying for it.  I told Dave to make sure the toilets worked. 

Cheapster.

Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on July 31, 2010, 04:16:04 AM
Darrell. When you get a break in your otherwise busy schedule, can you hook a brother up and provide the same relief to Mr. Hillman that you gave to Mr. Thomas? I just know it was an oversight, but really Darrell, where's the love?

I'm trying to handle both of the two Republican challengers equally. Jeff Thomas arranged to send me a JPG version of his ad. If Kevin Hillman does the same, I'll post it as well. (CORRECTION 1: I now have a JPG of Kevin Hillman's ad and will post it soon. CORRECTION 2: it's here: "Korean language version of Kevin Hillman ad for prosecutor now available for free download: http://pulaskicountyweb.com/files/image/UPLOAD-Kevin%20HillmanCampaign2010A.jpg (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/files/image/UPLOAD-Kevin%20HillmanCampaign2010A.jpg) ") I'd even take Deborah Hooper's money if she wanted to pay for an ad, though anybody who knows me realizes ad dollars don't affect my coverage of the race in the slightest bit.

I've been accused repeatedly of favoring candidates in this race. I have only one candidate on whom I am taking a stance, and that's Deborah Hooper, who I believe needs to be voted out of office based on her poor performance record for the past four years.

Jeff Thomas, Kevin Hillman, and Wayne Gifford all have pros and cons. Each of them bring different things to the table, and the prosecutor's office will operate very differently during the next four years depending on which of the three is elected. While there will be major differences, I am fairly sure any of them would be competent prosecutors, and I am very sure any one of the three would be better than what we have now.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2010, 04:40:09 AM
Hillmans only con is he has only been here ten years.


I'm trying to handle both of the two Republican challengers equally. Jeff Thomas arranged to send me a JPG version of his ad. If Kevin Hillman does the same, I'll post it as well. (CORRECTION -- I now have a JPG of Kevin Hillman's ad and will post it soon.) I'd even take Deborah Hooper's money if she wanted to pay for an ad, though anybody who knows me realizes ad dollars don't affect my coverage of the race in the slightest bit.

I've been accused repeatedly of favoring candidates in this race. I have only one candidate on whom I am taking a stance, and that's Deborah Hooper, who I believe needs to be voted out of office based on her poor performance record for the past four years.

Jeff Thomas, Kevin Hillman, and Wayne Gifford all have pros and cons. Each of them bring different things to the table, and the prosecutor's office will operate very differently during the next four years depending on which of the three is elected. While there will be major differences, I am fairly sure any of them would be competent prosecutors, and I am very sure any one of the three would be better than what we have now.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: tpgunbiz on July 31, 2010, 05:44:27 AM
Im just curious, And Im not bieng snide, But there are also Hispanic, Chinese, Japanese, German, Isreali, Cuban, (just to name a few) Peoples here as well. Why Only a Korean Translation outside of English. Plus I thought you had to Speak and write English to be a citizen of this country? Just Curious. Im not attacking any reasoning. Pure Curiosity.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on July 31, 2010, 09:55:01 AM
Im just curious, And Im not bieng snide, But there are also Hispanic, Chinese, Japanese, German, Isreali, Cuban, (just to name a few) Peoples here as well. Why Only a Korean Translation outside of English. Plus I thought you had to Speak and write English to be a citizen of this country? Just Curious. Im not attacking any reasoning. Pure Curiosity.

The candidates would need to speak for themselves on why they have not created a Spanish version of their campaign literature. That's probably the only other foreign language that is commonly spoken around here by people who have limited English fluency. If someone wants to produce Spanish-language campaign material and pay to put it in an advertisement, I will be happy to do so. I used to live in New Mexico and I am quite aware of the benefits of Spanish-language campaign literature.

Political candidates in Pulaski County have produced campaign literature from time to time in Korean. This is not the first time.

Here's why.

Other than Spanish-speakers, military wives account for the vast majority of people in this community for whom English is not their primary language. Thirty or forty years ago, there might have been a fair number of Vietnamese and Japanese wives in this area who spoke minimal English, but that's no longer the case -- we haven't had troops in Vietnam for more than three decades, and while we do have troops in Japan, fewer Japanese women are marrying American soldiers and those who do often have significantly better knowledge of English because of changes in the Japanese educational system. While there are a lot of German wives around here, most of them are quite able to read and write English because they have been taught English for years in their school system.

That simply is not the case for a large portion of the Korean immigrant community. While some of the Korean immigrants in this community are fully fluent in English, the level of fluency required to obtain American citizenship is quite minimal. Being able to read street signs, carry on a conversation, and read a restaurant menu requires a lot less knowledge of English than what is required to read news articles about the performance of elected officials. In addition, the Korean community here has its own network of churches, social organizations, stores, restaurants, and other businesses, which means convincing one Korean to vote for a particular candidate means they're likely to talk about their voting choice to a lot of other people.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 01:53:21 PM
You da man Darrell! Wasn't casting dispersion's on you about your public support (or lack their of ) of a specific candidate. I was just busting heavy's on you
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 31, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
Pretty sure she meant the candidates.



Aww I see.  I just find it disheartening that someone who is supposed to "debate" for a living and basically defend the citizens of the county against criminals, couldn't even come and defend herself.

And Mr. Hillman may only have 10 years in this county, but that's more than Mr. Thomas.  If I'm not mistaken he spent most of his youth with his mother in the St. Louis area, went to college in Florida, law school in Michigan.  He's only 26 years old so adding all that up I'm thinking Mr. Hillman has been here in Pulaski County longer than Mr. Thomas.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on July 31, 2010, 02:23:06 PM
You da man Darrell! Wasn't casting dispersion's on you about your public support (or lack their of ) of a specific candidate. I was just busting heavy's on you


   "Busting heavy on Darrell" is NOT a crime. You are free to go.

          JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on July 31, 2010, 02:43:35 PM
If Hooper can't defend herself how can she defend us
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on July 31, 2010, 03:11:05 PM

   "Busting heavy on Darrell" is NOT a crime. You are free to go.

          JB

Sheriff King is right.

I am, at minimum, a "limited public figure" as legally defined by the key case on libel law, New York Times v. Sullivan. At least in the limited context of Pulaski County issues, and probably anyplace else, I'm pretty much fair game for virtually any attack anybody wants to make. It would take attacks which are not only demonstrably false but extreme in their nature for me to successfully make a civil claim for libel and shut an attacker down via the courts.

That's the reality of anybody who chooses to take part in public life, especially public officials but also other public figures.

Personally, I'd rather use facts and logic to respond to attacks rather than lawsuits, but I understand that not everybody feels that free speech is the best way to handle things.

By the way, for those who wonder why a conservative like me is so adamant about free speech and who think I am somehow inconsistent, my views are far from a new concept. You don't need to be a member of the ACLU to believe that prior review and other forms of pre-publication censorship are fundamentally incompatible with a responsible and responsive government. In fact, as the noted Puritan John Milton wrote in 1643: "Let her (truth) and falsehood grapple; who ever knew truth put to the worse in a free and open encounter?"
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 04:38:17 PM
Just finished with reading the DG and noticed the ad Thomas has in the paper that professes to outline his "REAL EXPERIENCE". He outlines his experience "SINCE 2008". Really? Endless amount of experience wraped up in 1 1/2 years. Well in my opinion, a year and one half of experience does not qualify you as a viable candidate. Get a few more years working for DAD then give it a legitimate go at election. With that limited experience as seen in the DG today, this candidate could potentially manage animal control for the Sheriff Department at best. No offense JB :th_thwhistling: .

I agree with Cowboy in that the best way to address your critics and defend your record is to mix it up with your opponents  :fight: . Not run and hide, and claim everything discussed is a lie  :shame: . She has publically, out of convenience, said what a wonderful job all LE does, but will lambast every LE agency, each Chief of Police and the Sheriff behind closed doors and at Church on Sunday. Can I get an Amen sister  ###$%%^& ?

I've made no bones about my support of Hillman. My support does not come easy. The man outlines graphically his experience, as well does Gifford. But, Hillmans approachability is substantially of higher caliber when dealing with victims than Gifford's. Thomas has Dad's money and Stepmoms time to try and "BUY" him into office. These are not the times to give votes to a candidate that has no, none, zero, nada experience, or to a candidate that has been the absolute worst Prosecuting Attorney ever to hold that office in Pulaski County.

I support Kevin Hillman, and I truly believe in his ability to do the job and "PROTECT" the citizenry. Mrs. Hooper come out from behind the pew, and get on here to let everyone know what your real position is and defend your record. What else do you have to loose? Everything else has been a failure up to this point. Get on here and try to "Rock The Vote"  ###$$#@! . Let us know what you stand for, because up to this point it seems you stand for nothing  :shame: .
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 31, 2010, 05:00:48 PM
Just finished with reading the DG and noticed the ad Thomas has in the paper that professes to outline his "REAL EXPERIENCE". He outlines his experience "SINCE 2008". Really?

And really he didn't even pass the bar until October of 2009, so he's not even been a "real" grown up attorney for a year.  He must be claiming law school as "real" experience. hahaha
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 06:13:30 PM
Oh Bliss say it ain't so! I should have checked. Did it take that long for him to get the Cracker Jacks Box open? Just kidding, don't come unhinged. He at least was able to achieve something I would have definitely failed at.

But seriously, 2009. Do most candidates count college lectures as "REAL EEXPERIENCE". Hell, I'm going to shoot for dog catcher in Waynesville then using my online training from ITT.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on July 31, 2010, 07:36:26 PM
I will not get into the issue here of whether Kevin Hillman, Jeff Thomas, or Wayne Gifford would make a better prosecutor.
 
I will say, however, that having personally seen the respective performance of Deborah Hooper as prosecutor and Jeff Thomas as defense attorney in a criminal case now being announced in Jeff Thomas' ads, Thomas is right that he successfully defended a woman in court who was found not guilty after sitting in the county jail for months because she couldn't make bail. Regardless of whether the woman should have been prosecuted by Hooper or not -- and that is a legitimate question -- Jeff Thomas showed that his trial skills, despite limited experience, were considerably more effective than those of Deborah Hooper.
 
In other words, even though Hooper has far more experience than Thomas, Thomas is still a substantially better lawyer in the courtroom.
 
Perhaps that's just saying how bad Hooper is, but I can say that after watching young lawyers practice law for decades, Thomas is a competent young lawyer and is a whole lot better than what we have now. I also believe either Hillman or Gifford would be substantial improvements.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 08:20:24 PM
Good points all Darrell! So having said that, and due to the lack of organizational skills; inability to properly prepare a winnable case; lack of a systematic chain of custody or accountability of criminal evidence; and no substantiated cooperation with local law enforcement to be able to speak too, is it remotely possible that even the most youngest of candidates with vastly limited experience could make the current PA look like a hack. That is not a platform that holds water.

That is not a chance we need to take, nor be encouraged by if a lack of experience wins you "ONE" case against the current PA. You cannot put a price on experience and demonstrated achievement, with a vastly superior background. One winning case does not make for a viable replacement for the current disaster I voted for the last time. Shame on me once  :shame: , you won't fool me twice or the other votes I will bring on election day.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on July 31, 2010, 11:10:11 PM
According to Darrells report on the candidates finance reports and filings of the same, Mrs. Hooper cannot even get that process done with the proper protocol. Good God Deborah, for the sake of humanity (drama point) get on here and explain yourself.

Help us liars and inuendo experts know what you are really all about and what your position is. Please help me sleep at night knowing you are, at least during your lame duck period, on the job handeling the peoples business. Make me understand.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on August 02, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
That's why I have to press "1" for English, because all citizens are required to speak and write it?  How much could the government save in paper and ink alone if that were true?

Plus I thought you had to Speak and write English to be a citizen of this country?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on August 02, 2010, 04:32:48 PM
According to Darrells report on the candidates finance reports and filings of the same, Mrs. Hooper cannot even get that process done with the proper protocol. Good God Deborah, for the sake of humanity (drama point) get on here and explain yourself.

Help us liars and inuendo experts know what you are really all about and what your position is. Please help me sleep at night knowing you are, at least during your lame duck period, on the job handeling the peoples business. Make me understand.

If Hooper can't defend herself how can she defend us :jester:
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on August 03, 2010, 03:26:11 AM
I need all of your help to make the positive changes you all have asked for.  Please make sure you vote tomorrow! 
-Kevin
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 03, 2010, 04:47:57 AM
And do it on the Republican ballot.. There is only one contested race on the Democratic side..
 
 
 
I need all of your help to make the positive changes you all have asked for.  Please make sure you vote tomorrow! 
-Kevin
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on August 04, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
Thanks Pulaski County web for your support.  Now we need to set our eyes on November to finish the job.  Thanks to all who voted yesterday!
-Kevin
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: fireman_jeff on August 04, 2010, 12:55:46 PM
 :{:{: Congrats Kevin. I might know of a certain FD that stood behind you and will do it again in November.  ***(**&
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 04, 2010, 02:33:49 PM
You will be the next prosecutor, that goes without saying. But we will be sure and support you further..
 
 
Thanks Pulaski County web for your support.  Now we need to set our eyes on November to finish the job.  Thanks to all who voted yesterday!
-Kevin
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on August 04, 2010, 02:40:32 PM
Wonder how the Lame Duck is doing today and what her reaction is?  Congratulations Kevin on a resounding win.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Chas on August 04, 2010, 02:50:48 PM
Congratulations Kevin. It will be interesting to see how well you and the PCSD work together.  I have said recently that it was a he said she said type of deal.  I like many others hope that this will be a much better partnership. I also hope as PA that you still be on this site to update the people and to defend yourself if need be.  Which I hope you never have to.  Now let’s throw some methheads in jail.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on August 04, 2010, 04:34:55 PM
Wonder how the Lame Duck is doing today and what her reaction is?  Congratulations Kevin on a resounding win.


   She came into the office at 4am today and has a ton of cases (law day) set for hearrings and reviews today. We have 38 inmates in the jail and all are waiting to go to third floor. It will be a long day.
JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: kevinhillman on August 04, 2010, 05:12:41 PM
I'll still be on here.  Maybe Rick can put a thread that is "Ask the Prosecutor a question" or something like that.  Remember though, I still have to win in November.
-Kevin

Congratulations Kevin. It will be interesting to see how well you and the PCSD work together.  I have said recently that it was a he said she said type of deal.  I like many others hope that this will be a much better partnership. I also hope as PA that you still be on this site to update the people and to defend yourself if need be.  Which I hope you never have to.  Now let’s throw some methheads in jail.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Chas on August 04, 2010, 05:17:01 PM
Cool. You will win.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: HCC on August 04, 2010, 11:00:10 PM
Great job Kevin. Now that the primary is over, get to work. Let the games begin. Again, big time kudos to Rick.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Valor7 on August 04, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
Great job Kevin. Now that the primary is over, get to work. Let the games begin. Again, big time kudos to Rick.

   Agree 150% with you on this post. On to November!!!
JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 04, 2010, 11:52:27 PM
Thanks.
 
Great job Kevin. Now that the primary is over, get to work. Let the games begin. Again, big time kudos to Rick.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 04, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
Maybe we should just go ahead and put that up, the chances of you losing are nix to nine to nada. Kidding I'll wait.. Thanks for being a stand up guy.. If all the politicians were like you, this board wouldn't need to exist.

I'll still be on here.  Maybe Rick can put a thread that is "Ask the Prosecutor a question" or something like that.  Remember though, I still have to win in November.
-Kevin

Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 05, 2010, 12:05:22 AM
I might add she didn't leave until 8:30pm last night. No doubts she works.


   She came into the office at 4am today and has a ton of cases (law day) set for hearrings and reviews today. We have 38 inmates in the jail and all are waiting to go to third floor. It will be a long day.
JB
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on December 14, 2010, 12:10:48 AM
Just saw in the news that the Prosecutor from Phelps Count (Rolla area) since losing the election has filed very few charges. Her comaprable numbers from last year were around 700 and now are around 100 for the same time period.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on December 14, 2010, 11:40:40 AM
I'll bet the pay is still the same
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Lepard LLC on December 14, 2010, 07:32:41 PM
Here is the story. http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-citizens-criticize-outgoing-pr-121310,0,2419287.story (http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-citizens-criticize-outgoing-pr-121310,0,2419287.story)
 
 
Just saw in the news that the Prosecutor from Phelps Count (Rolla area) since losing the election has filed very few charges. Her comaprable numbers from last year were around 700 and now are around 100 for the same time period.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Probie on December 15, 2010, 03:34:55 AM
wonder if they would investigate it in pulaski if enough of us told them about it
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: cowboy on December 29, 2010, 11:57:35 AM
heard on the radio that Hooper is now suing the county for over $43,000 in back pay. 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: matrsnot on December 29, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
She will need the money.  Who is going to hire her from the outside?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Yankee Trader on December 29, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
heard on the radio that Hooper is now suing the county for over $43,000 in back pay. 

Wonder how she can be successful with that if the State sets the wages earned by office holders.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: okie the thread killer on December 29, 2010, 05:53:17 PM
check it out, she has a case. the law says the prosecutor is to be paid the same as associate judge...was not being done.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on December 29, 2010, 08:51:00 PM
heard on the radio that Hooper is now suing the county for over $43,000 in back pay. 


 
(http://pulaskicountyweb.com/files/image/article/thumb_2356.jpg) (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/news.php?viewStory=2356)
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Prosecuting Attorney Deborah Hooper
Hooper sues county for $43,000; lawsuit claims she wasn't paid enough (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/news.php?viewStory=2356)
PULASKI COUNTY, Mo. (Dec. 29, 2010) — While county commissioners ended their Monday morning meeting thinking they had a $102,000 end-of-year fund balance, they ended the day being served lawsuit papers at their homes by Bobby Ray, a bail bondman who delivered a lawsuit by outgoing Prosecuting Attorney Deborah Hooper claiming the county hadn’t paid her enough money and demanding an extra $43,715.98. According to the lawsuit, county commissioners erred by paying Hooper only $96,000 per year rather than the $106,181 per year she says she was entitled to receive beginning July 1, 2007 and $109,366 beginning July 1, 2008. State law specifies in RSMo. 56.261.1 that the salary of a full-time prosecutor is to be equal to that of an Associate Circuit Judge; the Missouri Citizens’ Commission on Compensation for Elected Officials, which is authorized by Article XIII:3 of the Missouri State Constitution, set those higher rates on Dec. 1, 2006. Hooper’s lawsuit says the county “refuses to recognize the higher pay scale established by ... that Commission” having “taken the position that a mid-term increase in the Prosecuting Attorney’s salary violates the constitutional prohibition of Article VII, Section 13, that ‘the compensation of State, County and Municipal officers shall not be increased during the term of office.’” Click here to read more on Pulaski County Daily News ... (http://pulaskicountyweb.com/news.php?viewStory=2356)
By Darrell Todd Maurina
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Probie on December 29, 2010, 11:16:45 PM
I bet this evidence won't get lost.
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Probie on December 29, 2010, 11:17:52 PM
This explains why most of her cases haven't went threw to much time filing one against the county... 
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: Eeyore on December 30, 2010, 12:36:26 AM
why did she not bring this up til now?  Did she not know she was underpaid?
Title: Re: How's the Prosecuting Attorney Doing?
Post by: darrellmaurina on December 30, 2010, 01:29:54 AM
why did she not bring this up til now?  Did she not know she was underpaid?

She's raised the issue for a number of years. Bill Ransdall disagreed and called the Missouri Association of Counties and relied on their legal advice. The rest of the commissioners basically followed his lead. But he isn't the one getting sued.