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Title: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 05, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
Is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern, scientific era? Leading creation apologist and bestselling Christian author Ken Ham is joined at the Creation Museum by Emmy Award-winning science educator and CEO of the Planetary Society Bill Nye.

http://debatelive.org/ (http://debatelive.org/)
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 05, 2014, 10:57:24 PM
Is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern, scientific era? Leading creation apologist and bestselling Christian author Ken Ham is joined at the Creation Museum by Emmy Award-winning science educator and CEO of the Planetary Society Bill Nye.

http://debatelive.org/ (http://debatelive.org/)
Great debate, If one is truly interested in facts I would suggest you watch it. If you have made up your mind already it has nothing for you.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 06, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
I was truly hoping that anyone who watched this debate would understand that both sides are preaching religious beliefs and there are no "facts" to support either side! Figures ebilly would be the first one to spout out the word "facts" THERE ARE NONE!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 06, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
I was truly hoping that anyone who watched this debate would understand that both sides are preaching religious beliefs and there are no "facts" to support either side! Figures ebilly would be the first one to spout out the word "facts" THERE ARE NONE!
Except that Nye used facts over and over again while Ham kept saying bible.
Except Ham couldn't explain basic mechanics of a giant boat filled with animals.
There were facts introduced, and sadly they didn't support your side. Hey you were the one who brought this up. I agreed and didn't spout a side. I stated that it was a interesting debate and you should go into it with a open mind. Thank you for admitting if you do it that way you could not leave thinking Ham won anything.

THANKS MARK.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: littlebit on February 06, 2014, 07:23:48 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/05/pat-robertson-creationism-ken-ham_n_4733625.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/05/pat-robertson-creationism-ken-ham_n_4733625.html)
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: igahmah at work on February 07, 2014, 02:28:37 AM
There are many Christians who have said Ham does not speak for them. 
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 07, 2014, 03:16:28 AM
the age of the earth/universe is irrelevant. how it all got here is the important part. scientists still have not disproven God. Arguing about the mechanics of the ark is rediculus and just a distraction from the fact God created all.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 07, 2014, 03:29:53 AM
the age of the earth/universe is irrelevant. how it all got here is the important part. scientists still have not disproven God. Arguing about the mechanics of the ark is rediculus and just a distraction from the fact God created all.
You can't disprove anything, but to be fair until christians define god this is pointless. Ham got smoked, that is all
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 07, 2014, 02:04:12 PM
 Can you name a "fact" that was brought up?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 07, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
God is the Creator of all. What definition are you looking for?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 07, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
Michael Snyder
The Truth
 February 7, 2014

Did you get a chance to see the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye “the Science Guy” the other night?  It was definitely entertaining.  Unfortunately, it didn’t do much to clarify the issues that millions of Americans tuned in to learn more about.  In fact, viewers got a lot of information from Bill Nye that simply is not true. 


Image: Bill Nye (Wikimedia Commons).

For example, Bill Nye made it sound like science has discovered fossil layers all over the earth that are neatly stacked on top of one another with less evolved creatures in the earlier layers and more advanced creatures in the upper layers.  He also made the incredible claim that you cannot find a single fossil which is in the wrong layer.  This is such an elementary mistake, and exhibits such a complete ignorance of what the fossil record actually shows, that he should have been laughed off the stage.  This is exactly the kind of extreme anti-intellectualism that Nye was supposedly trying to warn people about.  Sadly, our society has been so “dumbed down” that there are lots of people out there that will actually believe him.

During the debate, Bill Nye said that if we could find “just one” fossil that was out of place that we could change the world.

Well, apparently he is either completely ignorant or he purposely told a huge lie to the American people.

According to Dr. Donald Burge, the curator of vertebrate paleontology at the College of Eastern Utah Prehistoric Museum, mammal fossils are found in nearly every dinosaur dig that he has ever been associated with…


“We find mammals in almost all of our [dinosaur dig] sites. These were not noticed years ago … . We have about 20,000 pounds of bentonite clay that has mammal fossils that we are trying to give away to some researcher. It’s not that they are not important, it’s just that you only live once and I specialized in something other than mammals. I specialize in reptiles and dinosaurs.”

By the way, Dr. Burge is an evolutionist.

Not only that, a whole host of modern creatures have been found in “dinosaur rock layers”.  The following is an excerpt from an article by Calvin Smith…


To the surprise of many, ducks,1 squirrels,2 platypus,3beaver-like4 and badger-like5 creatures have all been found in ‘dinosaur-era’ rock layers along with bees, cockroaches,frogs and pine trees. Most people don’t picture a T. rexwalking along with a duck flying overhead, but that’s what the so-called ‘dino-era’ fossils would prove!

In fact, a total of 432 different mammal species have been identified in rock layers containing dinosaurs.

So does that mean that mammals have been around for tens of millions of years?

No, what it could mean is that the way that evolutionists have been dating the dinosaurs is fundamentally flawed.

Most people do not realize this, but T-Rex bones have actually been discovered that still contain soft tissue inside of them.

If those bones truly were “millions of years old” that would be impossible.

And carbon dating also provides strong evidence that the evolutionary timeline is seriously messed up.

Due to the rate that it decays, there should be absolutely no measurable radioactive carbon left in any fossils that are “greater than 100,000 years old”.

No matter how much radioactive carbon was there in the first place, it should be completely gone from anything that was once living after 100,000 years.

But we find it in all of the ancient fossils that we dig up that get tested.  We even find it in coal, diamonds and in dinosaur bones.

If Bill Nye wants to believe in the theory of evolution that is his choice.  But he should quit calling it “science”.  Those that choose to believe in the theory of evolution are choosing to have blind faith in an ancient pagan religious philosophy despite what the scientific evidence actually demonstrates.

If the theory of evolution was actually true, there should be millions upon millions of transitional fossils in the rock layers that show the development of one species into another species.

Instead, we find just the opposite.

But don’t take my word for it.  Just check out what one of the most famous evolutionists in the entire world has to say about the matter…


The most famous paleontologist in the world, Harvard’s Stephen Jay Gould, said, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology.” (Note” “extreme rarity” is Harvard-speak for “nada, zilch, zippo.”)

So what does the fossil record actually show?

It actually contains remarkable evidence for a sudden creation.  The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Bryan Fischer…


What the fossil record teaches us, in contrast to the theory of evolution, is that increasingly complex life forms appear fully formed in the fossil record, just as if they were put there by a Creator. This is especially true of what is called the “Pre-Cambrian Explosion,” the vast, overwhelming, and quite sudden appearance of complex life forms at the dawn of time. Evolutionists are at a total loss to explain the Pre-Cambrian Explosion.

The biblical record indicates quite clearly that all things, including increasingly complex life forms, came fully formed from the hand of God.

Thus the fossil record is a powerful argument for the existence of a Creator or Intelligent Designer while at the same time being fatal for the theory of evolution.

Science is supposed to be about what you can observe, but nobody has ever seen Darwinian evolution take place.  You cannot see it in the fossil record and you cannot see it in the laboratory.

Just consider this quote from evolutionary microbiologist James Shapiro of the University of Chicago…


“There are no detailed Darwinian accounts for the evolution of any fundamental biochemical or cellular systems, only a variety of wishful speculations.”

And consider this one from University of Bristol scientist Alan Linton…


“Throughout 150 years of the science of bacteriology, there isno evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another. None exists in the literature claiming that one species has been shown to evolve into another.”

For much more on all of this, please see my previous article entitled “44 Reasons Why Evolution Is Just A Fairy Tale For Adults“.

Once again, please feel free to believe whatever you want to believe.  Bill Nye certainly does and Pat Robertson certainly does.  I definitely strongly disagree with both of them.

But I hope that everyone out there will quit claiming that evolution is a “proven fact” like Bill Nye has been claiming.

He is only embarrassing himself in front of the entire country.

And the truth is that Bill Nye even admits that there is a vast array of things about human origins that he does not know.  Here is more from Bryan Fischer…


Where did the atoms that made up the Big Bang come from? Nye has no idea. Where did man’s consciousness come from? Nye has no idea. How can matter produce life? Nye has absolutely no idea. This surely is all one needs to know to recognize the utter bankruptcy of the theory of evolution.

In the end, by making a ridiculous spectacle of himself and mocking Christianity, Bill Nye is actually fulfilling Bible prophecy.  The following was written nearly 2000 years ago…


Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” But they deliberately forgetthat long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Bill Nye can scoff at the Bible all that he wants, but he can never change the truth.

So what do you think about all of these things?  Please feel free to share your thoughts by posting a comment below…


This article was posted: Friday, February 7, 2014 at 5:48 am
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: Hi on February 07, 2014, 03:06:25 PM
Blah Blah Blah ....useless debate, only serves to give nutjobs like Hamm credibility when he deserves none.  You can never change the mind of someone that believes this sort of stuff ever.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 07, 2014, 03:11:21 PM
Blah Blah Blah ....useless debate, only serves to give nutjobs like Nye credibility when he deserves none.  You can never change the mind of someone that believes this sort of stuff ever.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: Hi on February 07, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
keep typing on your computer made with scientific fact
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 07, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
keep typing on your computer made with scientific fact
You can't lump "technology" in with "molecule -to- man evolution"! Two different subjects. Let me guess Hi You didn't watch the debate or read the article I posted? Your just (as usual) making a lame attempt to stir the pot! Are we really more "evolved" by having computers, and poisoning our air and waters to run them? Are we smarter to use up all of our natural resources, and pave over all of our farmland? Bill Nye talked about grade school science at best and is either grossly misinformed....or a bold face lire!  He also made the incredible claim that you cannot find a single fossil which is in the wrong layer.  This is such an elementary mistake, and exhibits such a complete ignorance of what the fossil record actually shows, that he should have been laughed off the stage.  This is exactly the kind of extreme anti-intellectualism that Nye was supposedly trying to warn people about.  Sadly, our society has been so “dumbed down” that there are lots of people out there that will actually believe him.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 07, 2014, 05:55:20 PM
Can you name a "fact" that was brought up?
Age of the earth, problems with the ark, how background radiation was discovered, what it means, that the universe is expanding, how we know how far away stars are. These are but a few.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 07, 2014, 06:13:45 PM
Michael Snyder
The Truth
 February 7, 2014

Did you get a chance to see the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye “the Science Guy” the other night?  It was definitely entertaining.  Unfortunately, it didn’t do much to clarify the issues that millions of Americans tuned in to learn more about.  In fact, viewers got a lot of information from Bill Nye that simply is not true. 


Image: Bill Nye (Wikimedia Commons).

For example, Bill Nye made it sound like science has discovered fossil layers all over the earth that are neatly stacked on top of one another with less evolved creatures in the earlier layers and more advanced creatures in the upper layers.  He also made the incredible claim that you cannot find a single fossil which is in the wrong layer.  This is such an elementary mistake, and exhibits such a complete ignorance of what the fossil record actually shows, that he should have been laughed off the stage.  This is exactly the kind of extreme anti-intellectualism that Nye was supposedly trying to warn people about.  Sadly, our society has been so “dumbed down” that there are lots of people out there that will actually believe him.
Yet when asked for a single one where you had a Precambrian rabbit, Ham was smoked.

During the debate, Bill Nye said that if we could find “just one” fossil that was out of place that we could change the world.

Well, apparently he is either completely ignorant or he purposely told a huge lie to the American people.

According to Dr. Donald Burge, the curator of vertebrate paleontology at the College of Eastern Utah Prehistoric Museum, mammal fossils are found in nearly every dinosaur dig that he has ever been associated with…
Yes Dinosaurs and mammals evolved side by side. The Ignorance here is over 9000. This is why mammals have larger brains, to outsmart there larger preadotors. 


“We find mammals in almost all of our [dinosaur dig] sites. These were not noticed years ago … . We have about 20,000 pounds of bentonite clay that has mammal fossils that we are trying to give away to some researcher. It’s not that they are not important, it’s just that you only live once and I specialized in something other than mammals. I specialize in reptiles and dinosaurs.”

By the way, Dr. Burge is an evolutionist.
Yes what is your point

Not only that, a whole host of modern creatures have been found in “dinosaur rock layers”.  The following is an excerpt from an article by Calvin Smith…


To the surprise of many, ducks,1 squirrels,2 platypus,3beaver-like4 and badger-like5 creatures have all been found in ‘dinosaur-era’ rock layers along with bees, cockroaches,frogs and pine trees. Most people don’t picture a T. rexwalking along with a duck flying overhead, but that’s what the so-called ‘dino-era’ fossils would prove!
Can we see any pictures of these jurassic ducks? A link perhapes.

In fact, a total of 432 different mammal species have been identified in rock layers containing dinosaurs.
Yes again Dino's and mammals co-evolved.

So does that mean that mammals have been around for tens of millions of years?
Yes

No, what it could mean is that the way that evolutionists have been dating the dinosaurs is fundamentally flawed.
NO

Most people do not realize this, but T-Rex bones have actually been discovered that still contain soft tissue inside of them.
Yes, and it was also discovered that it is due to how they fossilized. 

If those bones truly were “millions of years old” that would be impossible.
Nope

And carbon dating also provides strong evidence that the evolutionary timeline is seriously messed up.

Due to the rate that it decays, there should be absolutely no measurable radioactive carbon left in any fossils that are “greater than 100,000 years old”.
You are right, that is why they USE DIFFERENT RADIOACTIVE ISSOTOPES

No matter how much radioactive carbon was there in the first place, it should be completely gone from anything that was once living after 100,000 years.
Yes

But we find it in all of the ancient fossils that we dig up that get tested.  We even find it in coal, diamonds and in dinosaur bones.
Radioactive carbon =/= Regular carbon

If Bill Nye wants to believe in the theory of evolution that is his choice.  But he should quit calling it “science”.  Those that choose to believe in the theory of evolution are choosing to have blind faith in an ancient pagan religious philosophy despite what the scientific evidence actually demonstrates.
as bad as you have messed up maybe you should quite.
If the theory of evolution was actually true, there should be millions upon millions of transitional fossils in the rock layers that show the development of one species into another species.
There are.

Instead, we find just the opposite.
Nope
But don’t take my word for it.  Just check out what one of the most famous evolutionists in the entire world has to say about the matter…


The most famous paleontologist in the world, Harvard’s Stephen Jay Gould, said, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology.” (Note” “extreme rarity” is Harvard-speak for “nada, zilch, zippo.”)
Ah you want species to species and not transitioning to a new species. 

So what does the fossil record actually show?

It actually contains remarkable evidence for a sudden creation.  The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Bryan Fischer…
Except for the billions of years and all

What the fossil record teaches us, in contrast to the theory of evolution, is that increasingly complex life forms appear fully formed in the fossil record, just as if they were put there by a Creator. This is especially true of what is called the “Pre-Cambrian Explosion,” the vast, overwhelming, and quite sudden appearance of complex life forms at the dawn of time. Evolutionists are at a total loss to explain the Pre-Cambrian Explosion.
A period of nearly 500 million years. If this is sudden what is long term

The biblical record indicates quite clearly that all things, including increasingly complex life forms, came fully formed from the hand of God.

Thus the fossil record is a powerful argument for the existence of a Creator or Intelligent Designer while at the same time being fatal for the theory of evolution.
If you are blind it does

Science is supposed to be about what you can observe, but nobody has ever seen Darwinian evolution take place.  You cannot see it in the fossil record and you cannot see it in the laboratory.
Bannana anyone. A evolved fruit that man created by useing evolution... Oh snap. 

Just consider this quote from evolutionary microbiologist James Shapiro of the University of Chicago…


“There are no detailed Darwinian accounts for the evolution of any fundamental biochemical or cellular systems, only a variety of wishful speculations.”

And consider this one from University of Bristol scientist Alan Linton…


“Throughout 150 years of the science of bacteriology, there isno evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another. None exists in the literature claiming that one species has been shown to evolve into another.”

For much more on all of this, please see my previous article entitled “44 Reasons Why Evolution Is Just A Fairy Tale For Adults“.
Or grab a textbook from someone who doesn't put a book before knowladge.

Once again, please feel free to believe whatever you want to believe.  Bill Nye certainly does and Pat Robertson certainly does.  I definitely strongly disagree with both of them.
It's sad mark when Pat is calling this bullshit. I mean It's like the Joker calling you crazy.

But I hope that everyone out there will quit claiming that evolution is a “proven fact” like Bill Nye has been claiming.
So you want us to pretend that a fairy popping all life on earth is a better idea. (Replace fairy with god. its the same thing.)

He is only embarrassing himself in front of the entire country.
Because believing in talking snakes and a 900 year old man building a boat is sno much beter.

And the truth is that Bill Nye even admits that there is a vast array of things about human origins that he does not know.  Here is more from Bryan Fischer…
I don't know is a much better answer than SANTA DID IT. (Replace santa with god)


Where did the atoms that made up the Big Bang come from? Nye has no idea. Where did man’s consciousness come from? Nye has no idea. How can matter produce life? Nye has absolutely no idea. This surely is all one needs to know to recognize the utter bankruptcy of the theory of evolution.
Again I don't know is a reasonable answer. 

In the end, by making a ridiculous spectacle of himself and mocking Christianity, Bill Nye is actually fulfilling Bible prophecy.  The following was written nearly 2000 years ago…


Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” But they deliberately forgetthat long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
Yes god knew that his bull would be found out. Maybe next time he should proof read his book. 

Bill Nye can scoff at the Bible all that he wants, but he can never change the truth.

So what do you think about all of these things?  Please feel free to share your thoughts by posting a comment below…


This article was posted: Friday, February 7, 2014 at 5:48 am
I think you need to go outside, get some fresh air and go to church, because we are laughing at you here. Look if you want to believe in a god that's fine, but don't go waving it in public demanding people to look at it.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 07, 2014, 06:25:58 PM
I can easily dispute ALL of your lame postings. (pick one) Yet, I ask myself why? You will still strut around holding hands with Bill Nye saying you have it right!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 07, 2014, 07:40:10 PM
I can easily dispute ALL of your lame postings. (pick one) Yet, I ask myself why? You will still strut around holding hands with Bill Nye saying you have it right!
I don't hold hands with Nye, I hold hands with the real world. I welcome you to join it.
but you said you could dispute any of my lame posting. Prove that god did it is a better answer than I don't know.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 07, 2014, 08:47:16 PM
With my knowledge of science, the odds against any of this happening by chance, and the Bible.......I only have to look out the window! You on the other hand need some more knowledge! I have been trying and posting and trying again....but you chose to believe in the wrong religion! Here's a little something on the mathematical odds!
The Odds Against Life


Last week we discussed how unlikely Planet Earth is. Every facet of our planet—its solar system, and its galaxy—makes life possible. Change anything, and our planet would be as lifeless as space is.

What about life itself? How did life come about? Could there be life elsewhere? NASA conducted an interesting study.They needed to know the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. Earth could not afford the danger if one of our space vehicles were to bring back a deadly microbe for which man had no resistance. 

NASA hired Yale University’s Harold Morowitz, a theoretics expert.  Dr. Morowitz deals with “the laws of large numbers and probabilities.”

Here is how the probabilities theory works: you take a set of circumstances, and you scientifically determine the odds of a certain outcome. For instance, if you flip a coin, you have “even odds” of heads or tails. The more you flip it, the greater the odds are against it coming up “heads”

every time. Once you get to 1/1015, the probability of an event ever happening is negligible.  If you get to 1/1050, the event could not have happened even once in 15 billion-years. After studying the complexity of a protein molecule, Dr. Morowitz concluded that the probability of life occurring by chance is 1/10236. 1/10236 takes into account all the atoms in the universe, and the chance that the right ones came together just once to form a protein molecule.

He said “The universe would have to be trillions of years older, and trillions of times larger, for a protein molecule to have occurred by random chance.”

It’s a bit like throwing 4 billion pennies into the air and having them all land heads-up. Evolutionists tell us that given enough time, this could happen. But as we just learned, there wasn’t enough time and there weren’t enough pennies. (This does not say that life does not exist elsewhere. It just says that it could not exist by random chance.)

The study reminds me of the joke about Neal Armstrong’s first moonwalk. About 100 feet from the Lunar Lander, Neal stooped down and picked up a Rolex watch lying on the moon’s surface. It even had the correct time. Armstrong frantically radioed Houston and asked, “What do we do now? The camera was on me when I picked up the watch! People will think that we weren’t first to the moon. They may even believe the Russians beat us here!”  Houston radioed back, “Don’t worry. We already have a story that earth will believe. We’ll just tell them that the watch evolved on the moon!”

I enjoyed the movie “Contact” starring Jodi Foster. She played a SETI scientist. SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) uses an array of huge radio receivers that listen for “organized”

radio signals. If a signal is random static, it is natural. If it is organized, however, it was undoubtedly sent by an intelligent source. For instance, the signal “2 – 2 – 4″ (about 10 bytes of information) is intelligent. Although SETI has not yet heard any such signal in its 30 years, they keep listening.

By some stretch of logic, many of those same scientists say that a DNA molecule containing four billion bytes of perfectly arranged information did not come from a source of intelligence. It just “happened!”

Considering the odds against evolution being true, why is it so important to some folks that wedo believe in evolution? What does our belief in evolution make possible?
1.The discarding of “right and wrong.” If life is an accident of random atoms, does it really matter if a Boy Scout helps an elderly lady across the street or shoves her under a bus?
2.Abortion rights. If we are just an accident of physics, does it matter if we kill our preborn children? After all, they have no soul. They have no rights. They are just “tissue.” Call any Planned Parenthood abortuary to hear this firsthand.) Tell that to any expectant mother who has felt a kick, heard the heartbeat, or seen the sonogram.

The theory of evolution has put humanity on a slippery slope with no bottom. After all, if mankind becomes extinct through its own excesses, it’s all part of evolution. We just weren’t fit to survive. 
 Somehow, that last assumption seems logical. For if mankind clings to something so unproven, so impossible, and so destructive, perhaps “man wasn’t intelligent enough to survive.”

A fitting epitaph.

Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 07, 2014, 09:14:15 PM
With my knowledge of science, the odds against any of this happening by chance, and the Bible.......I only have to look out the window! You on the other hand need some more knowledge! I have been trying and posting and trying again....but you chose to believe in the wrong religion! Here's a little something on the mathematical odds!
The Odds Against Life
We don't full understand life yet, and have not even left this rock, but heck why don't we do the math anyway and make it up as we go


Last week we discussed how unlikely Planet Earth is. Every facet of our planet—its solar system, and its galaxy—makes life possible. Change anything, and our planet would be as lifeless as space is.
And last week I destroyed ever bit of your "MATH"

What about life itself? How did life come about? Could there be life elsewhere? NASA conducted an interesting study.They needed to know the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. Earth could not afford the danger if one of our space vehicles were to bring back a deadly microbe for which man had no resistance.
Yes this is important, but lets face it our solar system is quite itty bitty compared to the universe.


NASA hired Yale University’s Harold Morowitz, a theoretics expert.  Dr. Morowitz deals with “the laws of large numbers and probabilities.”

Here is how the probabilities theory works: you take a set of circumstances, and you scientifically determine the odds of a certain outcome. For instance, if you flip a coin, you have “even odds” of heads or tails. The more you flip it, the greater the odds are against it coming up “heads”
No, no it isn't. Past events do not predict future odds. Every time you flip a coin it is 49.9 to 49.9 (There is a small chance of it landing on its side.)

every time. Once you get to 1/1015, the probability of an event ever happening is negligible.  If you get to 1/1050, the event could not have happened even once in 15 billion-years. After studying the complexity of a protein molecule, Dr. Morowitz concluded that the probability of life occurring by chance is 1/10236. 1/10236 takes into account all the atoms in the universe, and the chance that the right ones came together just once to form a protein molecule.
Except this is not how math works. One in 1015 isn't really bad odds. If there are 3000 people in town it is very likely that it happened to 3 people. Even 1 in 10236 means that one person in springfield size town likely won. Do you mean 1/1*10^15 Even that is not that large a odd when you add the age of the universe. (13.8 trillion or 1.3*10^11 power + the size of the universe. 1.3*Pi ^3= 1.26 *10^13 power. So the odds of the universe having life is one in 10... Not bad odds all thing considered. 

He said “The universe would have to be trillions of years older, and trillions of times larger, for a protein molecule to have occurred by random chance.”
His math is off by a lot.


It’s a bit like throwing 4 billion pennies into the air and having them all land heads-up. Evolutionists tell us that given enough time, this could happen. But as we just learned, there wasn’t enough time and there weren’t enough pennies. (This does not say that life does not exist elsewhere. It just says that it could not exist by random chance.)
Except you forget we can destroy the pennies that are tales and keep throwing. Eventually all will be heads up.

The study reminds me of the joke about Neal Armstrong’s first moonwalk. About 100 feet from the Lunar Lander, Neal stooped down and picked up a Rolex watch lying on the moon’s surface. It even had the correct time. Armstrong frantically radioed Houston and asked, “What do we do now? The camera was on me when I picked up the watch! People will think that we weren’t first to the moon. They may even believe the Russians beat us here!”  Houston radioed back, “Don’t worry. We already have a story that earth will believe. We’ll just tell them that the watch evolved on the moon!”
I love the whole watch story, however watchs are not alive... If they were. Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0#)

I enjoyed the movie “Contact” starring Jodi Foster. She played a SETI scientist. SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) uses an array of huge radio receivers that listen for “organized”

radio signals. If a signal is random static, it is natural. If it is organized, however, it was undoubtedly sent by an intelligent source. For instance, the signal “2 – 2 – 4″ (about 10 bytes of information) is intelligent. Although SETI has not yet heard any such signal in its 30 years, they keep listening.
At 30 years we are only searching for alien life within 30 lightyears of ourselves... In one direction... Hoping they are at our stage of evolution....and hoping they are not so far advanced that they are hiding there signals. Logic isn't a strong suit is it.

By some stretch of logic, many of those same scientists say that a DNA molecule containing four billion bytes of perfectly arranged information did not come from a source of intelligence. It just “happened!”
And 90 percent of that "Data" is meaningless. If it is a creator, must be a half retarded one.

Considering the odds against evolution being true, why is it so important to some folks that wedo believe in evolution? What does our belief in evolution make possible?
Why is it so important that your mythos be told. Evolution is tested and has been used for meds, oil drilling, and cloning. (Supporting the cattle industry) What has your god ever done.
1.The discarding of “right and wrong.” If life is an accident of random atoms, does it really matter if a Boy Scout helps an elderly lady across the street or shoves her under a bus?
It isn't a accident, it is a chemical reaction. Understanding that we are interconnected and as a society if we work together everyone does better... Yes it helps. But Mark why do you need god to be good?
2.Abortion rights. If we are just an accident of physics, does it matter if we kill our preborn children? After all, they have no soul. They have no rights. They are just “tissue.” Call any Planned Parenthood abortuary to hear this firsthand.) Tell that to any expectant mother who has felt a kick, heard the heartbeat, or seen the sonogram.
Brain waves are the only difference between lower and sapient life forms. Why should you care what a women does with her body. If no brain waves no person.

The theory of evolution has put humanity on a slippery slope with no bottom. After all, if mankind becomes extinct through its own excesses, it’s all part of evolution. We just weren’t fit to survive. 
And it is our fault. If we accept religion it is the act of god. Gives man motive to keep himself alive.
Somehow, that last assumption seems logical. For if mankind clings to something so unproven, so impossible, and so destructive, perhaps “man wasn’t intelligent enough to survive.”
I don't believe that Mark, religion is helpful to some. It just shouldn't rule the world of the 21 century.

A fitting epitaph.
It really is Mark, it's funny how you meant science but no mater how you wrote it I got religion was what we outgrew
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 07, 2014, 10:22:05 PM
evolution is a religion. but it does not explain life or provide a moral compass.

atheism is a waste of living. no belief system other than doing what a huiman wants to with no frame of reference for structure

Belief in God is logical. The bible and the christian religion provides structure for a productive and happy life.

man has proven many times he cannot be trusted to his own devices. God gives instruction and answers the question of life and how we ahould live it.

the age of the universe is a waste of time to debate. evolution is still an unproven theory.

Study the complexity of just one thing in the universe, and prove it all just "happened".
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 07, 2014, 10:45:21 PM
evolution is a religion. but it does not explain life or provide a moral compass.
Evolution is a fact. We use it to make vaccines. It does not explain life. That is abiogenises.4. How life began (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgzzQmOZzZk#ws)

atheism is a waste of living. no belief system other than doing what a huiman wants to with no frame of reference for structure
Well there is the whole what is best to survive, or just being a good person... But whatever.

Belief in God is logical. The bible and the christian religion provides structure for a productive and happy life.
Yes the Crusades prove how great a christian life can be. Or the witch trials, or all the deaths to heretics. The bible says that the earth is on pillars in Issah. 

man has proven many times he cannot be trusted to his own devices. God gives instruction and answers the question of life and how we should live it.
Man has also proved how we can be trusted at times. The fact that your god hasn't been here for 2000 years and we are now to the point to start to see the stars. WOW.

the age of the universe is a waste of time to debate. evolution is still an unproven theory.
Yes but the debate wasn't about proving evolution right. It was proving Ham was full of pork. A young earth is impossible.

Study the complexity of just one thing in the universe, and prove it all just "happened".
Study the Complexity of your God and prove it just happened.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 08, 2014, 02:54:11 AM
evolution is not fact. it is a theory that has not been proven

to be anti God is to denounce good. how can an atheist develop a moral compass? by their surroundings, Christian influences. How else will a person determine right from wrong?

there were also muslim crusades. no mention? skewing facts? yes there were dark days in Christianity, fuel by evil. those events happened how many hundreds of yrs ago?

when has man been shown to be trusted? God is an omnipresent God. He is the alpha and the omega. we are now to the point to see the stars? LOL LOL

define a "young" earth. the age of the earth is irrelevant. it is only important to those trying to disprove God and Christianity. There are Christians that are confused and try to put a time table on when the earth was made so date of the last days can be predicted.

nothing "just " happened. God created all, including all the details of each creation. that is why a belief in evolution is folly.

those trying to disprove God should approach the task scientifically. gather the facts, conduct experiments(like creating dirt from nothing) and let the conclusions make the point. Many cannot accept the fact there is a God that created all, because they approached the issue with an already decided bias.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 04:08:10 AM
evolution is not fact. it is a theory that has not been proven
Yeah it kind of has. You know the flu vaccine...

to be anti God is to denounce good. how can an atheist develop a moral compass? by their surroundings, Christian influences. How else will a person determine right from wrong?
God... Good. Are you reading the same book that I am. You know the one where slavery and owning women was A-ok. The one were it was commanded to kill someone who doesn't believe in you and to kill your kids if they disobay. That is good? No thank you I will be evil and love my neighbors and help everyone thank you very much.

there were also muslim crusades. no mention? skewing facts? yes there were dark days in Christianity, fuel by evil. those events happened how many hundreds of yrs ago?
Yep followers of god killed followers of god. Yeppy. It still in happening. 9-11-2001, again christians vs Muslims.

when has man been shown to be trusted? God is an omnipresent God. He is the alpha and the omega. we are now to the point to see the stars? LOL LOL
I trust men, most are ok. There are some bad eggs but that happens.

define a "young" earth. the age of the earth is irrelevant. it is only important to those trying to disprove God and Christianity. There are Christians that are confused and try to put a time table on when the earth was made so date of the last days can be predicted.
It really doesn't matter, if you believe that god created earth first and stars second, than how could the stars be seen. If god created plants first and the sun second how did the plants grow.

nothing "just " happened. God created all, including all the details of each creation. that is why a belief in evolution is folly.
Never said nothing just happened. I said I don't know, a Viable answer.

those trying to disprove God should approach the task scientifically. gather the facts, conduct experiments(like creating dirt from nothing) and let the conclusions make the point. Many cannot accept the fact there is a God that created all, because they approached the issue with an already decided bias.
Anyone trying to prove god just needs to create a ounce of soil from nothing and everyone would believe. Oh that's right your god can't do that anymore.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 08, 2014, 04:32:29 AM
You should use your "I don't know" answer more often ebilly!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 08, 2014, 04:49:56 AM
is the flu vaccine been proven 100% effective? evolution has not been proven either.

which verses? you can pick and choose all you want from the bible, but you need to study a bit what you are choosing. many slaves were the result of wars. many indentured themselves to pay a debt.

muslims are not followers of the God of the bible. muslims kill anyone not following allah.

ya better read Genesis again. God did not create plants first and the sun second. your ignorance is showing.

Then how was the universe created if God did not create it? When did evolution begin? what triggered it?

 Finally, you just acknowledged God created the earth! LOL LOL

 How do you know God can not make dirt anymore. to disprove God, scientists are the ones that need to create dirt from nothing. If man could create dirt or a human from nothing, than that would prove God didn't create us or the earth.

take  Mark's advice with the I don't know answer.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 05:22:46 AM
is the flu vaccine been proven 100% effective? evolution has not been proven either.
Of course not, because the virus evolves. Thanks for proving my point.

which verses? you can pick and choose all you want from the bible, but you need to study a bit what you are choosing. many slaves were the result of wars. many indentured themselves to pay a debt.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
this is your moral god, I don't care who a person is, you should never own another person. A god should be above this, but evidently basic human rights that even china has is to much for your god. Oh and you can beat them as well.
 
    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Keep excusing your god.

muslims are not followers of the God of the bible. muslims kill anyone not following allah.
Actually they are, maybe study what you say first. They both worship the god of Abraham.

ya better read Genesis again. God did not create plants first and the sun second. your ignorance is showing.
day 3 plants, day 4 the sun and moon.


Then how was the universe created if God did not create it? When did evolution begin? what triggered it?
The universe was created by a singularity expanding into the entire known universe. Evolution began when the first cell formed 4 billion years ago. Solar, volcanic and radiation.


 Finally, you just acknowledged God created the earth! LOL LOL
A god that can't do anything might as well not exist. I gave you the benifit of the doubt.


 How do you know God can not make dirt anymore. to disprove God, scientists are the ones that need to create dirt from nothing. If man could create dirt or a human from nothing, than that would prove God didn't create us or the earth.
You are the one making the claim that god can make earth, go ahead and prove it.... I am waiting.


take  Mark's advice with the I don't know answer.
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Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 08, 2014, 05:48:32 AM
nope flus come and go they do not evolve

as it is stated in your post, many slaves willingly became slaves. slavery was also used as a judgment for the disobedient of God's ways. what did moses say? he led the jewish slave out of Egypt. God did not condone slavery, He allowed it for Hids purposes. Again, cherry pick all you want to stay ignorant.

big bang? LOL LOL where did that "known" universe come from? How did that first cell form? what caused the action? how did solar, volcanic, radiation come about?

Dance about all you want, you finally acknowledged God created the earth. There was no benefit(benefit) of the doubt! LOL LOL

The fact that man cannot create earth from nothing, proves God did!

You can't even answer the easy ones! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 08, 2014, 06:26:26 AM
"The universe was created by a singularity" Can you define singularity for me? (Grade school stuff at best)
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 06:47:59 AM
nope flus come and go they do not evolve
You are joking right. You honestly believe this. DO YOU KNOW HOW VACCINES WORK. DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY DON'T WORK ON THE FLU? The virus that causes the flu is a fast mutating virus that can change within hours of infection. A flu vaccine is a dead or dying virus that your body is introduced to so your immune system knows how to identify it. When the flu virus evolves it is no longer noticed by your body. This is why there can be no permanent vaccine to the flu.

as it is stated in your post, many slaves willingly became slaves. slavery was also used as a judgment for the disobedient of God's ways. what did moses say? he led the jewish slave out of Egypt. God did not condone slavery, He allowed it for Hids purposes. Again, cherry pick all you want to stay ignorant.
So you agree with slavery. You thing daughters should be sold into slavery. Keep your morality, that is horrid.

big bang? LOL LOL where did that "known" universe come from? How did that first cell form? what caused the action? how did solar, volcanic, radiation come about?
The universe began in a single point of spacetime. Time was infinity compressed so the very first instant was infinintly long ago. Try thinking in relative time, not absolute time. I sent a video how the first cell formed. If you don't know how stars formed... Well my son could tell you, I will have him explain after he gets out of kindergarten.

Dance about all you want, you finally acknowledged God created the earth. There was no benefit(benefit) of the doubt! LOL LOL
Make more stuff up. Sarcasm is lost on you isn't it.

The fact that man cannot create earth from nothing, proves God did!
The fact that god can not create earth proves you are full of manure.

You can't even answer the easy ones! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Of course I can, I just can't answer it to primates at your lever of intellect.

Oh mark a singularity is a point where space and time are so compressed that space is infinitely small and time is infinitely slow. Imagine as you get closer to the singularity space gets thicker and time slows down. As you reach the singularity time stops and space is super thick.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 08, 2014, 07:18:37 AM
Did you forget words like  hypothetical, theory, BELIEF? Singularity is simply a word used when they don't know what the heck it is! Also, Quantum mechanics does not permit particles to inhabit a space smaller than their wavelengths. So how did all those particles get into that dot? Where did the "space and time" come from to get into the dot? And how on God's green earth did they become alive, and full of information?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 07:48:27 AM
Did you forget words like  hypothetical, theory, BELIEF? Singularity is simply a word used when they don't know what the heck it is! Also, Quantum mechanics does not permit particles to inhabit a space smaller than their wavelengths. So how did all those particles get into that dot? Where did the "space and time" come from to get into the dot? And how on God's green earth did they become alive, and full of information?
Not Hypothetical, we have seen there effects driving our galaxies. Supermassive black holes my friend, are the core of ever spiral galaxy. There were no particles in the DOT, nor mater of any sort, only energy. Mater came later as energy cooled. Where did it come from, well that makes a lot of assumptions. One would be that there was a before for it to exist. According to Einsteins general theory there would have been no before, as time was infinitely stretched. As for how life came from non-life. I already put a video out explaining that.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 08, 2014, 12:05:46 PM
Not Hypothetical, we have seen there effects driving our galaxies. Supermassive black holes my friend, are the core of ever spiral galaxy. There were no particles in the DOT, nor mater of any sort, only energy. Mater came later as energy cooled. Where did it come from, well that makes a lot of assumptions. One would be that there was a before for it to exist. According to Einsteins general theory there would have been no before, as time was infinitely stretched. As for how life came from non-life. I already put a video out explaining that.
Dude? There was a before...before the beginning? So.....where did the before....before the beginning come from?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 08, 2014, 03:54:25 PM
where is smallpox, yellow fever, polio? why don't they return?

did I say I agreed with slavery? no I don't thing (think)my daughter should be sold into slavery. Instead of cherry picking parts of the bible, read all the verses on slavery.

your "theory " of creation is unfounded. What is your proof? did you make te cell video? Do you have documented proof from your experiments to prove your theory?.
The stars were formed the same way the rest of the universe was formed. God said let there be light. You really should not be passing on unproven and erroneous information to your son, your choice to keep him ignorant of the truth.

I am not making up the fact you finally acknowledged God created the earth. Those are your words and they were not used in sarcasm. You've taken the 1st step acknowledging God. Now you believe He created the earth. Great leap in progress indeed. It is senseless and fruitless to state a belief in evolution or big bang or any other theory, after acknowledging God's existence and the earth is one of his creations. show a fact that God cannot create the earth, other than saying He didn't.

Go ahead and try to insult my lever(level) of intellect! LOL you are the one trying to dance around what you say. It isn't rocket science to believe in the indisputable fact that the universe and all that is in it was created by God. Scientists have been unable to replicate His creations. Why? Because only God can create something visible from the invisible.



Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 04:48:11 PM
Dude? There was a before...before the beginning? So.....where did the before....before the beginning come from?
How can there be a before time. Where did it exist. How can you go north of the north pole?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
where is smallpox, yellow fever, polio? why don't they return?
Because they are slower mutating viruses. Really this is elementary(School) my dear fish

did I say I agreed with slavery? no I don't thing (think)my daughter should be sold into slavery. Instead of cherry picking parts of the bible, read all the verses on slavery.
Fine name one verse where god said slavery was bad, or even where he said that it was only a jewish law. Stop cherry picking your own book.

your "theory " of creation is unfounded. What is your proof? did you make te cell video? Do you have documented proof from your experiments to prove your theory?.
Would you like me to make te cell video. Would you like me to get top scientist to prove it. No you want to complain.
The stars were formed the same way the rest of the universe was formed. God said let there be light. You really should not be passing on unproven and erroneous information to your son, your choice to keep him ignorant of the truth.
So in 24 hours light traveled 14 billion light years. Man you crazier than smoked ham.

I am not making up the fact you finally acknowledged God created the earth. Those are your words and they were not used in sarcasm. You've taken the 1st step acknowledging God. Now you believe He created the earth. Great leap in progress indeed. It is senseless and fruitless to state a belief in evolution or big bang or any other theory, after acknowledging God's existence and the earth is one of his creations. show a fact that God cannot create the earth, other than saying He didn't.
How about the fact that you can't grow plants without the sun, (That was created on the 4th day as well as the stars. According to that it would take four years just for the first star to appear.) How about the fact that there is no evidence for a god. How about there are no 2 people on earth that perfectly agree with each other on the bible. 

Go ahead and try to insult my lever(level) of intellect! LOL you are the one trying to dance around what you say. It isn't rocket science to believe in the indisputable fact that the universe and all that is in it was created by God. Scientists have been unable to replicate His creations. Why? Because only God can create something visible from the invisible.
Lever of intellect... I am sorry for that remark, i don't think you could figure out the lever yet.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 08, 2014, 06:16:28 PM
How can there be a before time. Where did it exist. How can you go north of the north pole?

Your words!
Not Hypothetical, we have seen there effects driving our galaxies. Supermassive black holes my friend, are the core of ever spiral galaxy. There were no particles in the DOT, nor mater of any sort, only energy. Mater came later as energy cooled. Where did it come from, well that makes a lot of assumptions. One would be that there was a before for it to exist. According to Einsteins general theory there would have been no before, as time was infinitely stretched. As for how life came from non-life. I already put a video out explaining that.
OK Now I see what you were trying to say. On first read I thought you were saying "One would be that there was a before for it to exist" That's why I had the quotation marks in my post. Now I can see you were just blaming Einstein for your confusion. I don't have to make assumptions...I know how it happened!
                                                                                  P.S. Still a little confused by that post. Who stretched out time (the heavens)?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 07:20:30 PM
Your words! OK Now I see what you were trying to say. On first read I thought you were saying "One would be that there was a before for it to exist" That's why I had the quotation marks in my post. Now I can see you were just blaming Einstein for your confusion. I don't have to make assumptions...I know how it happened!
                                                                                  P.S. Still a little confused by that post. Who stretched out time (the heavens)?
What stretched out time? It might be that quantum foam un-popped the singularity, but honestly I don't know. That is not a cope out, there are scientist working on that very question. I am not blaming einstein at all. I am saying there was no before time.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 08, 2014, 07:31:07 PM
"quantum foam"  LOL  Keep trying!  150 years and counting.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 07:39:14 PM
"quantum foam"  LOL  Keep trying!  150 years and counting.
Except that we can measure it. http://www.technologyreview.com/view/507691/how-to-measure-quantum-foam-with-a-tabletop-experiment/ (http://www.technologyreview.com/view/507691/how-to-measure-quantum-foam-with-a-tabletop-experiment/)
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 08, 2014, 08:02:00 PM
can't answer...again?? LOL LOL YOU are the one saying God condoned slavery! Prove it!
The slaves were not to be mistreated. slavery was used as a punishment and to humble the jews into following God's ways
Exodus 21:2
Deuteronomy 15:12-15
Exodus 22:1-3 He is sold for his crime
Exodus 21:20 owners were held accountable
there are more verses, but again, you are too lazy to read and try to prove your point
where is the source of the cell? how did it get there? POOF! It just happened? LOL LOL
so galileo could not see the stars (he was an astronomer)? Why are there names for constellations in the bible? when is the first recording of see the stars? The sky was dark every night? You are the one doing the smoking! LOL LOL how did the greeks come up with their gods without the stars? LOL LOL
the stars were visible as soon as God created them

can't grow plants without the sun? ever hear of grow lights? LOL LOL LOL There was no immediate need for vegetation. but it was there when he created the animals!

The facts is , there is evidence of God all around us! You acknowledged God's existence!
How do toy know there are no 2 people that agree perfectly on the bible? Proof???

you keep tripping over yourself. You acknowledge God exists and created the earth. then you say He doesn't exist! You are truly confused!
put down the comic books and the dictionary trying to learn new words!
there is a  no before time! that was the period before God created all. read gen 1. That is the beginning of OUR time. before that was God's time. the alpha and the omega, remember? that's like saying until you were born there was nothing and after you die there is nothing. wrong and a bit arrogant.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57617796-71/stephen-hawking-declares-there-are-no-black-holes/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57617796-71/stephen-hawking-declares-there-are-no-black-holes/)
where did all that mater(matter) come from. what drive this activity? perpetual motion? LOL LOL
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 08, 2014, 08:35:02 PM
can't answer...again?? LOL LOL YOU are the one saying God condoned slavery! Prove it!
It's in your holy book, in the laws handed down from moses.
The slaves were not to be mistreated. slavery was used as a punishment and to humble the jews into following God's ways

It was ok to beat them as long as you didn't kill them.

Exodus 21:2
Always telling me to read in context. What about him falling in love with a female slave. Oh than you can own him forever because he doesn't want to leave her. Such a great law there.

Deuteronomy 15:12-15
So as long as it's temporary slavery is good.



Exodus 22:1-3 He is sold for his crime 
Yep the price of a slave is a ox. And the bull of this is that those that could not pay for there freedom most likely stole because they were poor.


Exodus 21:20 owners were held accountable
You can't beat them to death. Wow so kind.
there are more verses, but again, you are too lazy to read and try to prove your point
Nope read every one, and it made me sick thinking you believe this.

where is the source of the cell? how did it get there? POOF! It just happened? LOL LOL
I gave you the video, watch it already.

so galileo could not see the stars (he was an astronomer)
He shouldn't have if the earth in only 6000 years old. You are the one who believes in a book of fairy tales.
? Why are there names for constellations in the bible?
You mean that people named stuff. WOW

 when is the first recording of see the stars? The sky was dark every night? You are the one doing the smoking! LOL LOL how did the greeks come up with their gods without the stars? LOL LOL
the stars were visible as soon as God created them
They would not be you idiot. Light travels at 186,000 MPS. Stars are several light years away. We figured this out with math.


can't grow plants without the sun? ever hear of grow lights? LOL LOL LOL There was no immediate need for vegetation. but it was there when he created the animals!
Ever heard of heat. No sun means no heat.


The facts is , there is evidence of God all around us! You acknowledged God's existence!
No I have not, you need to learn how to read.

How do toy know there are no 2 people that agree perfectly on the bible? Proof???
Find me two people who do perfectly agree and I will admit I was wrong.


you keep tripping over yourself. You acknowledge God exists and created the earth. then you say He doesn't exist! You are truly confused!
put down the comic books and the dictionary trying to learn new words!
Learn to read

there is a  no before time! that was the period before God created all. read gen 1. That is the beginning of OUR time. before that was God's time. the alpha and the omega, remember? that's like saying until you were born there was nothing and after you die there is nothing. wrong and a bit arrogant.
If I sound arrogant it is because I am arguing with a mental midget. You have made claim after claim and don't even attempt to prove anything. 


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57617796-71/stephen-hawking-declares-there-are-no-black-holes/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57617796-71/stephen-hawking-declares-there-are-no-black-holes/)
Did you even read what you posted. It states that Hawking thinks black holes are not what we think they are. READ

where did all that mater(matter) come from. what drive this activity? perpetual motion? LOL LOL
There was no mater in the early universe. It was all energy. The only reason entropy works is because we live in a expanding universe. If it was shrinking it would appear that energy keeps building up.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: shadylane on February 08, 2014, 11:49:10 PM
To be anti God is to denounce good. how can an atheist develop a moral compass? by their surroundings, Christian influences. How else will a person determine right from wrong?

The Christian bible condones incest, killing, genocide and the torture and death of gods only begotten son.
You find this morally acceptable because it was written in a book. Now tell me why you have a moral compass and atheist's don't?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 09, 2014, 02:32:18 AM
can't prove it with verses? What a surprise ! LOL LOL

which verse said it was ok to beat the slaves?

better read ex 21:2, Deuteronomy 15:12-15, again. it doesn't say that. making up crap again? LOL LOL

better read Exodus 22:1-3 again. it is about property rights. being poor is no excuse for theft. you probably won't understand.

you only get sick(?) because you don't understand your own reasoning.

another question you won't answer. the cell just happened! LOL LOL

how could galileo be an astronomer without stars? LOL LOL

you are the one saying no 2 people agree perfectly on the bible. the proof is on you! LOL LOL too lazy still?

nope, God named the stars psalms 147-4
they were visible to abram gen 15:5 I guess your math was wrong! LOL LOL

God created light the first day gen 1 :4 and the vegetation the 3rd day . better reread genesis!

you can't deny you acknowledged God created dirt. You acknowledge God exists, you can't dance around and deny you said what is plainly in your post! LOL LOL

I have proven everthing I state with truth and logic. you have backtracked and danced around denying what you posts plainly show you have said! LOL LOL

so your view of black holes is in contrast to hawking's opinion. he at least has done research . now there is a difference of thought on black holes that skews your beliefs.

How do you know there was no mater(matter) in the early universe?

the reason we are living in an expanding universe is because God is still creating.

where did all those elements that cause what you call entropy come from? Poof, they just happen? Nope

you acknowledged God created the earth, accept he created all the elements involved in that creation and all since.

scientists keep trying to describe the creations of God in human terms. doesn't work. what can science create from invisible to become visible? Nothing

Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 09, 2014, 02:34:17 AM
you are confused or delusional shady. your choice!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 09, 2014, 03:20:10 AM
can't prove it with verses? What a surprise ! LOL LOL
Every single one you provided said slavery was A-ok.

which verse said it was ok to beat the slaves?
Exodus 21:20 As long as the slave does not die there was no punishment for beating your slave... No let me take that back, as long as he didn't die the same day you beat him it was a-ok. If you caused internal bleeding and he died a week later, well thats cool

better read ex 21:2, Deuteronomy 15:12-15, again. it doesn't say that. making up crap again? LOL LOL
Yes it does, in context Ex 21:2-6"If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him.If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free."But if the servant declares, 'I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,'then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.
Your book your rules. NOT MINE

better read Exodus 22:1-3 again. it is about property rights. being poor is no excuse for theft. you probably won't understand.
And it only punishes the poor. Why not a law where the poor were given jobs and wages to pay off what they owed, but no they became livestock.

you only get sick(?) because you don't understand your own reasoning.
You get sick becuase of Viruses and Bacteria that causes infection. Some viruses are quick evolvers and some are not. How dumb are you.

another question you won't answer. the cell just happened! LOL LOL
I gave you a video, here is another. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_PsBbk4yQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_PsBbk4yQQ)

how could galileo be an astronomer without stars? LOL LOL
You are the one that said that there should be no stars. My universe if 13.6 billion years old. Yours is 6000 years.

you are the one saying no 2 people agree perfectly on the bible. the proof is on you! LOL LOL too lazy still?
I have yet to meet two that do. you have yet to provide one counterproof.

nope, God named the stars psalms 147-4
He calls them all by name. A book of poetry and not understanding the symolism. THEY ARE THE ANGELS, STARS ARE ANGELS IN THE BIBLE.
they were visible to abram gen 15:5 I guess your math was wrong! LOL LOL
Yes which means Genises is wrong. How can you be this dumb.

God created light the first day gen 1 :4 and the vegetation the 3rd day . better reread genesis!
And god created the stars and sun and moon on the fourth day.

you can't deny you acknowledged God created dirt. You acknowledge God exists, you can't dance around and deny you said what is plainly in your post! LOL LOL
I don't make any such claim. Please learn to read. Please learn context.

I have proven everthing I state with truth and logic. you have backtracked and danced around denying what you posts plainly show you have said! LOL LOL
You have proven nothing. You are as bad as Ham. Bible said it. Your bible is crap. I don't care what it says except that it influnces what people believe. Your book is a joke and you are the punchline.

so your view of black holes is in contrast to hawking's opinion. he at least has done research . now there is a difference of thought on black holes that skews your beliefs.
No I read what was actually wrote and agree. I wish you had read it.

How do you know there was no mater(matter) in the early universe?
Because mater can't exist at the temperatures of the early universe.

the reason we are living in an expanding universe is because God is still creating.
No it is becuase dark energy makes up 80% of the universe.

where did all those elements that cause what you call entropy come from? Poof, they just happen? Nope
Energy cooled to form hydrogen, than stars.

you acknowledged God created the earth, accept he created all the elements involved in that creation and all since.
I do not acknowledge your god The elements are still being forged in the heart of the stars.


scientists keep trying to describe the creations of God in human terms. doesn't work. what can science create from invisible to become visible? Nothing
Yet we have created so much by understanding it. And invisible to visible. Dude you are using it. Wifi transmitters invisible signals and make visible information appear on the computer.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 09, 2014, 04:35:07 AM
under certain terms. remember many volunteered to be indentured.

nope. in context exodus 21: 12-36 is about personal injuries, more is covered than just slaves. but masters were held accountable.

ex 22:1-3 is pretty clear for most. remember the world was not developed as it is now.
Leviticus 23:22 ESV
English Standard Version

"And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God."

being poor was not an excuse for theft

not as dumb as you, I rarely get sick.LOL LOL

Nope . I asked if it was dark every night night

nope, they are stars

Genesis came before galileo. you are wrong. the fuzzy math doesn't add up! LOL LOL

how do you know the temperature of the early universe. who took the temperature? LOL LOL

I have disproven your points with truth and logic. you simply do not accept what you refuse to believe and understand. God is the alpha and the omega. He was there before all your stupid scientific claims. One day we may find out from the Author of the bible how all was created.

how do you know dark energy makes up 80% of the universe? who did the measuring? what is the size of the universe?

what temperature is the hydrogen when stars are formed? who measured? stars are 100% hydrogen? don't think so.

You acknowledged God created the earth. He is still expanding the universe.

sound is invisible before and after you make it. the computer was not made with invisible components. radio waves were created with visible equipment. all those components in a radio, wifi, tv are created and transmitted with visible equipment. now, take something invisible and make something visible, man can't . only God can. All He had to do is say let there be....
you try it, what's the result? science has yet to replicate any of God's creations. Science keeps proving the existence of God and proof He created all, everyday, whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 09, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
 I think the translated word "slave" meant "paid worker" back then. At the least it had a lot different meaning back then as it does to us today. Also some parts of the Bible are songs, lessons, and metaphors. (not to taken literally) Its not a science book its a 'How to live your life' book! Some is literal.

 Some is symbolic.

 Some is parabolic.

 Usually it is obvious. For example, Cain's blood cried out from the ground. That is symbolic.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: shadylane on February 09, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
you are confused or delusional shady. your choice!

I'm neither, confused nor delusional. That's why I disagree with religious fanatics.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 10, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
how would you know you aren't shady? LOL LOL
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 10, 2014, 03:24:37 AM
 Evolutionism holds to several key “miracles” that magically overcome the laws of nature. Without these miracles—anomalies that defy established scientific understanding—the religion of evolutionism simply could not stand. Evolutionist proponents of the big bang theory claim that planets and stars formed when bits of matter and gas were compressed spontaneously.

But this violates Boyle’s law of gas established in the seventeenth century, which states that gases cannot be compressed without some intervening mechanism. So what is the evolutionists’ intervening mechanism? Nothing. It happened all by itself; it was a miracle. They likewise believe that biological organisms could produce offspring of higher complexity simply by means of natural selection. This is not science, however, and must also fall within the realm of miracle. In fact, evolutionists hold on to many more miracles (or assumptions) in their religion of evolutionism.

Foolishness

While Christian creationists willingly admit that creationism is religious in nature and that miracles have their place in our religious belief system, evolutionists claim that their religion is actually pure science and based entirely upon evidence and scientific reasoning. They then prop up this hypocritical religion using tax funds, not only to fuel their research (desperately searching for that elusive evidence) and pay their preachers…er…professors, but also to teach it in public schools at public expense as if it were objectively scientific. It is time for evolutionists to admit that they do believe in miracles, that evolutionism is a religion, and a hypocritical one at that. Because, while creationists have a God who satisfies the demand for an external agent, evolutionists have nothing, and they claim to need nothing to account for their miracles. They have rejected God, and in so doing, they have rejected common sense itself. Rightly so did the Psalmist conclude, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” (Ps. 14:1
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 10, 2014, 02:11:27 PM
Evolutionism holds to several key “miracles” that magically overcome the laws of nature. Without these miracles—anomalies that defy established scientific understanding—the religion of evolutionism simply could not stand. Evolutionist proponents of the big bang theory claim that planets and stars formed when bits of matter and gas were compressed spontaneously.

But this violates Boyle’s law of gas established in the seventeenth century, which states that gases cannot be compressed without some intervening mechanism. So what is the evolutionists’ intervening mechanism? Nothing. It happened all by itself; it was a miracle. They likewise believe that biological organisms could produce offspring of higher complexity simply by means of natural selection. This is not science, however, and must also fall within the realm of miracle. In fact, evolutionists hold on to many more miracles (or assumptions) in their religion of evolutionism.

Foolishness

While Christian creationists willingly admit that creationism is religious in nature and that miracles have their place in our religious belief system, evolutionists claim that their religion is actually pure science and based entirely upon evidence and scientific reasoning. They then prop up this hypocritical religion using tax funds, not only to fuel their research (desperately searching for that elusive evidence) and pay their preachers…er…professors, but also to teach it in public schools at public expense as if it were objectively scientific. It is time for evolutionists to admit that they do believe in miracles, that evolutionism is a religion, and a hypocritical one at that. Because, while creationists have a God who satisfies the demand for an external agent, evolutionists have nothing, and they claim to need nothing to account for their miracles. They have rejected God, and in so doing, they have rejected common sense itself. Rightly so did the Psalmist conclude, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” (Ps. 14:1
I think your problem is that you think higher complexity arises from natural selection. Natural selection and mutations allow complexity to arise.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 10, 2014, 03:24:51 PM
I think your problem is that you think higher complexity arises from natural selection. Natural selection and mutations allow complexity to arise.
Is it a miracle? Mutations are birth defects. Let me guess.....as long as you hide 'impossibility' (see...odds post) behind billions of years anything can happen? You believe in miracles, and evolutionism is a religion, and a hypocritical one at that!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 10, 2014, 04:09:38 PM
Is it a miracle? Mutations are birth defects.
,Not all of them, some are neutral or even quite rarely positive. (One is a billion but not impossibe) those that make the child less likely to survive eventually get destroyed by natural selection, while those neutral eventually bleed into the gene pool. Lets say there is a mutation that makes a snake have a slightly longer tongue. Normally this wouldn't matter but then half of those snakes get stuck on a island where the only food is termites. Those snakes with the slightly larger tongue can get to the termites. Lets continue this line of thought. Lets say that on this island there is a cold season for nearly 3 months. Most snakes hibernate at this point, but a few of them have evolved a higher than normal metabolism rate and thus can produce there own heat. When spring comes the snakes that could eat all winter are fit while the others are weak. Female snakes will want to mate with the healthy snakes, thus carrying the mutation into the new gene pool.
Let me guess.....as long as you hide 'impossibility' (see...odds post) behind billions of years anything can happen? You believe in miracles, and evolutionism is a religion, and a hypocritical one at that!
As long as you do a puzzle one piece at a time it all makes sense. No one can step across a nation in a single step, but even if you move a mile a hour, you will eventually see the ocean. Mt Improbable may seem steep, but come look at the back side of the mountain. It's not steep at all, just much, much longer.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 10, 2014, 04:55:44 PM
Yawn!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 10, 2014, 04:57:48 PM
mutations (aka birth defects) are caused by satan. satan can only pervert whart God has created. why do some families have diseases that carry over from generation to generation? some have a history of diabetes,alcoholism,cancer,etc... and the offspring will be at a high risk to suffer the same disease. Is being born armless a "mutation"?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: Hi on February 10, 2014, 08:10:00 PM
mutations (aka birth defects) are caused by satan. satan can only pervert whart God has created. why do some families have diseases that carry over from generation to generation? some have a history of diabetes,alcoholism,cancer,etc... and the offspring will be at a high risk to suffer the same disease. Is being born armless a "mutation"?

WHAT????
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 10, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
mutations (aka birth defects) are caused by satan. satan can only pervert whart God has created. why do some families have diseases that carry over from generation to generation? some have a history of diabetes,alcoholism,cancer,etc... and the offspring will be at a high risk to suffer the same disease. Is being born armless a "mutation"?
It's things like this that makes me laugh. You have to be a poe, no one can be this dumb
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 11, 2014, 01:30:55 AM
isn't everything supposed to improve during evolution?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 11, 2014, 01:38:34 AM
can't answer? thought so! Birth defects prove millions of years of macro-Evolution's not possible.

just like your fable of the creation of the universe. It is imbecilic to apply man's laws to God's creation. God is not tied to any time.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 11, 2014, 05:40:51 AM
isn't everything supposed to improve during evolution?
No you moron. If you don't know what evolution is in even it's most fundamental form just shut up and let the grownups talk. Everything dies, there are minute changes from parent to child. The most fit have offspring. That is it. Natural Selection allows the most fit to breed, and those that are most fit are those that breed. That is all there is. It doesn't make you live longer or smarter unless it gives you a better chance to breed.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 11, 2014, 02:00:39 PM
evolution just gives someone the most fir to breed? LOL LOL Better look in the mirror. Minute changes from parent to child? LOL LOL  disease free parents give birth to a child born with a disease. Evolution is and has always been a hoax!It is an unproven theory. The fossil chain is incomplete. On the other hand, Creationism, is easy to understand, provable and makes perfect sense. Put the atheist handbook down and you may learn something!~ LOL LOL
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 11, 2014, 03:11:59 PM
Why breed at all? If you are a self replicating entity, why complicate things?  And why did we lose our monkey fur...so we could kill a Buffalo and use his? God put us here fully able to adapt and change to different environmental conditions. One animal has NEVER or will NEVER change into a different KIND of animal. Nothing ever found nor nothing will be found to support this ridiculous theory!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 11, 2014, 08:58:53 PM
Why breed at all? If you are a self replicating entity, why complicate things?
A very good question, thank you. I am happy to answer but this question alone needs it's own thread. It is such bit topic that I don't want to get overshadowed.
  And why did we lose our monkey fur
Because we did not live a enviroment where fur was a advantage to us, In fact we needed to dissipate heat quickly when hunting. 
...so we could kill a Buffalo and use his?
Actually yes. funny ain't it.
God put us here fully able to adapt and change to different environmental conditions. One animal has NEVER or will NEVER change into a different KIND of animal. Nothing ever found nor nothing will be found to support this ridiculous theory!
Nylon eating Bacteria.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 11, 2014, 09:36:51 PM
"Because we did not live a enviroment where fur was a advantage to us, In fact we needed to dissipate heat quickly when hunting."  The ice age? 
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 12, 2014, 02:26:03 AM
lol lol

Who is this "we" crap? you had to dissipate heat quickly when hunting? why? have you ever hunted? LOL LOL

we didn't evolvce from cavemen. I don't recall men in the bible being covered with fur! In fact adam and eve had to have garments made for them by God to cover themselves.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 12, 2014, 04:51:48 AM
"Because we did not live a enviroment where fur was a advantage to us, In fact we needed to dissipate heat quickly when hunting."  The ice age?
The ice age happened much later, after humans had the technology of fire. If we did not we would have been one dead end in a long line of dead ends.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 12, 2014, 05:20:32 AM
the capability of fire caused the ice age ? LOL  LOL the ice age was a natural cycle if it in fact occured. it is still an unproven theory. just like the global warming hoax. what caused the cessation of the ice age if it in fact occurred?
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 12, 2014, 03:44:42 PM
the capability of fire caused the ice age ? LOL  LOL the ice age was a natural cycle if it in fact occured. it is still an unproven theory. just like the global warming hoax. what caused the cessation of the ice age if it in fact occurred?
No you idiot. I said mankind developed fire and a ice age happened much later. Are you too retarded to understand that they are not linked, only that one happened and then the other. The Ice age did happen on its own, Please just shut up if you can not learn to understand what is wrote.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: Hi on February 12, 2014, 03:49:59 PM
Fish is one of those guys that says hahaha global warming.....why is it so cold now if the globe is supposed to be warming.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 12, 2014, 05:00:45 PM
I can understand what is wrote(written). It is just that a dacs is trying to play science teacher by quoting  atheist doctrine! LOL LOL the ice age happened on it's own, but man is causing global warming? LOL LOL
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 13, 2014, 04:08:06 AM
I can understand what is wrote(written). It is just that a dacs is trying to play science teacher by quoting  atheist doctrine! LOL LOL the ice age happened on it's own, but man is causing global warming? LOL LOL
Rivers flood on there own, how can my damn be causing the flooding stupid engineers.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 13, 2014, 05:48:57 PM
Rivers flood on there (their) own? LOL LOL heavy rain, winter runoff doesn't have anything to do with flooding? LOL ask the folks that live along the gascanade or the roubidoux? They can explain it so you will understand! LOL LOL

You don't know how your damn (dam) could be causing the flooding? LOL LOL
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 13, 2014, 11:25:13 PM
Rivers flood on there (their) own? LOL LOL heavy rain, winter runoff doesn't have anything to do with flooding? LOL ask the folks that live along the gascanade or the roubidoux? They can explain it so you will understand! LOL LOL

You don't know how your damn (dam) could be causing the flooding? LOL LOL
Not realizing that I was mocking you.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 14, 2014, 01:45:51 AM
don't think so! just a distraction from questions you cannot answer! lol lol
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 14, 2014, 08:42:07 PM
don't think so! just a distraction from questions you cannot answer! lol lol
I answered them, but you are too dense to figure them out. I had assumed that a neutron star was the most dense object in and seen universe, but nope. You win that contest by a country mile. Your intellect has proven a singularity by being infinitely dense. If every neuron in your brain was multiplied by 10^109 and converted to electrical energy there wouldn't be enough electricity to power a nightlight.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: Racer on February 14, 2014, 09:48:13 PM
Now that's funny.  Lol
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: shadylane on February 15, 2014, 01:40:05 AM
No you idiot. I said mankind developed fire and a ice age happened much later. Are you too retarded to understand that they are not linked, only that one happened and then the other. The Ice age did happen on its own, Please just shut up if you can not learn to understand what is wrote.

You lost you cool and Mr. Fish won that round by default.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 15, 2014, 02:25:42 AM
LOL LOL Truth and logic wins again!!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: ebilly99 on February 15, 2014, 03:09:32 AM
LOL LOL Truth and logic wins again!!
I lost but it was because I couldn't put up with your moronic statements. I lost, but you by no way won.
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 15, 2014, 03:54:11 PM
Excuses excuses ! LOL LOL At least now you admit you are a loser! LOL LOL

Truth and logic keeps winning!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: shadylane on February 16, 2014, 02:28:10 AM
LOL LOL Truth and logic wins again!!

Not.
Ebilly lost that round because he allowed anger to overcome truth and logic.
In the heat of battle he allowed himself to pick up the weapons of the narrow minded and superstitious.
There are many of these weapons laying about when debating religion with fundamentalist Christians..

Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 16, 2014, 03:48:16 AM
lame excuses, another loser for the pile! LOL LOL

Truth and logic always wins! LOL LOL
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 17, 2014, 01:34:58 AM
Guess the tv scientist couldn't hold his own in this debate

Bill Nye “the Science Guy” and a Tennesssee congresswoman went toe-to-toe over climate change Sunday, a topic that’s heating up as much of the United States suffers from either fierce winter storms or intense drought.

Rep. Marsha Blackburn, a Republican, said there is no consensus on what is driving extreme weather and changes in climate. Plus, there needs to be a cost-benefit analysis of what can be done about it, she told NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“What we have to do is look at the information that we get from climate scientists,” she said. “As you said, there is not agreement around the fact of exactly what is causing this.”

Mr. Nye, who recently debated evolution with creationism proponent Ken Ham, said politicians like Ms. Blackburn are exacerbating America’s problems by casting doubt on scientific evidence.

“So what I would encourage everybody to do is back up and let’s agree on the facts. Would you say that the Antarctic has less ice than it used to?” he said, adding later, “You are a leader. We need you to change things, not deny what’s happening.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/16/bill-nye-science-guy-and-rep-marsha-blackburn-dont/#ixzz2tXTE5JoL (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/16/bill-nye-science-guy-and-rep-marsha-blackburn-dont/#ixzz2tXTE5JoL)
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Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: shadylane on February 17, 2014, 02:17:53 AM
lame excuses, another loser for the pile! LOL LOL

Truth and logic always wins! LOL LOL

"lame excuses, another loser for the pile!"

You lose.
There is nothing truthful nor logical with your side of the debate.
You have repeatedly claimed that Christian theology is better than logic.
Are you now being untruthful, illogical or both?


Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 17, 2014, 02:48:44 AM
Christian theology is truth AND logical! Truth and logic, remember? LOL LOL

show me where I have claimed Christian theology is better than logic! Prove it!

You are just on the same pile as the other liar!
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: fish on February 17, 2014, 02:50:48 AM
and pretend scientists should not be taken any more serious than the average person

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/02/16/nye-goofs-holds-up-pic-of-arctic-while-talking-about-antarctic-watch-bill-nye-debate-gop-rep-marsha-blackburn-nye-hold-up-pic-of-arctic-and-then-asks-if-antarctic-has-less-ice-climate-depot-answ/ (http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/02/16/nye-goofs-holds-up-pic-of-arctic-while-talking-about-antarctic-watch-bill-nye-debate-gop-rep-marsha-blackburn-nye-hold-up-pic-of-arctic-and-then-asks-if-antarctic-has-less-ice-climate-depot-answ/)
Title: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Post by: mark on February 17, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
Yep, kinda figured he was a paid puppet like so many others!