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Title: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 27, 2012, 03:16:35 AM
Justin Smith (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000089833417) ATTENTION CROCKER AND SURROUNDING AREAS AGAIN; Due to the MINORITY of people being upset that we were going to sell beer at our Rodeo in Crocker. We were forced to CANCEL THE BEER GARDEN. Let me explain, the few people who were upset got lawyers involved and basically forced us to shut it down, or the stock contractor, Mr. Bob Kasper, would suffer the consquences of losing money. I can not justify making someone else, trying to earn a living, to lose out because of a few hipocrits in my town. I do, however, ask that everyone still please attend the Rodeo as all proceeds will go to repair the playground equipment. I apologize that I could not win this battle for my community, but, I assure you the war is not over. So again, please attend and plan on eating dinner with us at the park. We will still have our concession stand open and that will be, now, our only source of income. I also want to thank all that have supported our efforts to improve our community.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 27, 2012, 03:19:04 AM
He claims the oposition was. Pat Ruckman, Angela & Bill Medlen, Richard Harris (pastor of the Amazing Grace church), Larry Richardson (pastor of the Crocker Christian Church) Kenny & Sherry Moore. And a few others who wouldn't give their names.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: 2CardJohnE on July 27, 2012, 03:54:55 AM
what a joke....makes me sad this town is my home.  Pat was the 1st to go running into city hall throwing a fit and she dont even live in city limits.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: 2CardJohnE on July 27, 2012, 04:15:45 AM
Ted W. Helms (http://www.facebook.com/thelms1) This really upsets me. I have started to write several things on here that would not have been appropriate for me to write. Forgive me for that, but I guess all I will say is that I am ashamed and sorry this happened, and I ask the Lord to forgive those who imposed their will on others. Time for me to shut up now.18 minutes ago Edited LikeUnlike 1
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on July 27, 2012, 04:32:21 AM
what a joke....makes me sad this town is my home.  Pat was the 1st to go running into city hall throwing a fit and she dont even live in city limits.
Next time have a wine tasting event and you will see all the whiners there sucking down wine and cheese :anger:
Being as hot as it is and NO beer is inhumane!!
 
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: matrsnot on July 27, 2012, 12:20:54 PM
It is fast becoming a norm in this country.  The minority rules over all.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Just_a_Biker on July 27, 2012, 12:36:44 PM
f**k em!
Every damn one of them had better be holding a position within the city, to improve their city.  If not, they can shut their mouths and preach whatever hypocritical crap they want to spew on Sundays.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: stiffcat76 on July 27, 2012, 12:58:23 PM
tell me religious nuts dont rule. i think they should have the beer garden and deal with the lawyer later.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: jeepguy on July 27, 2012, 01:48:18 PM
well maybe some of those so called Holly rollers will donate some of their time and money to help rebuild the park, after all they are sucking the money out of the locals and not paying taxes, so that is the least they can do.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: fish on July 27, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
New American Standard Bible 1 Timothy 5:23
No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.

Beer is 100% natural, no additives, no preservatives. a couple hydrate you faster than water. It's got to be good for you.

It is obvious these so called church leaders don't know their bible.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 27, 2012, 05:28:32 PM
Did the organizers have the required permits to have the beer garden?  If so they should go ahead and have it, if not then it should not be allowed and a lesson learned for their next event.

If they had the permits what exactly was threatened to get them to chnge the plans?
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Chas on July 27, 2012, 05:32:57 PM
Just another one of those contradictions of the bible.  However most of the stuff in the bible says not to get drunk. Sounds like a bunch of self-rightous SOBS got a lawyer so they had to back down. it is Christians like thes that make me question all Christians.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Chas on July 27, 2012, 05:38:12 PM
The churches should have to make up the difference or stay out of it and stick to saving souls. Those that would not give their names should be known as Cowards for Christ.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: 2CardJohnE on July 27, 2012, 05:39:28 PM
Did the organizers have the required permits to have the beer garden?  If so they should go ahead and have it, if not then it should not be allowed and a lesson learned for their next event.

If they had the permits what exactly was threatened to get them to chnge the plans?
They did have the permits and Justin had mentioned the the Mayor was going to help run the tent.  I guess he just did not get permission from Pat Ruckman  (((**&^^%
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: fish on July 27, 2012, 05:47:37 PM
no contradiction at all. the bible clearly states God says it is good to drink wine. beer was around then too. No condoning of drunkedness though.

those so called church leaders should be billed for any costs they caused the people setting this up.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Coyote on July 27, 2012, 05:48:42 PM
I'm thinking that people can withstand a few hours without beer.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: fish on July 27, 2012, 05:55:56 PM
it isn't the main draw, just an option for those of legal age.

 an ice cold beer is mighty refreshing on a hot day. so is iced tea and soda but I am guessing permits may not be needed for those.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Just_a_Biker on July 27, 2012, 06:01:07 PM
I'm thinking that people can withstand a few hours without beer.

As a non-beer drinker, I agree.  However, you are missing the point.  The beer tent was to be a well regulated, well organized, FUND RAISER for the children of Crocker.  Those who think they know what's best for others have now taken that fund raiser away.  If they want to "do the right thing" then THEY need to donate funds to the park board to offset the loss of the beer tent.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 27, 2012, 06:02:37 PM
so what was the threat that caused the beer garden to be dropped?

They did have the permits and Justin had mentioned the the Mayor was going to help run the tent.  I guess he just did not get permission from Pat Ruckman  (((**&^^%
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: 2CardJohnE on July 27, 2012, 06:12:41 PM
so what was the threat that caused the beer garden to be dropped?
   I have not heard specificly from anyone other then what justin had wrote..  "We were forced to CANCEL THE BEER GARDEN. Let me explain, the few people who were upset got lawyers involved and basically forced us to shut it down, or the stock contractor, Mr. Bob Kasper, would suffer the consquences of losing money. I can not justify making someone else, trying to earn a living, to lose out because of a few hipocrits in my town."
I wondered if they directed anything toward AFRA? 
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 27, 2012, 06:29:10 PM
It seems to me that something is being left out of this story, it all the required permits were obtained how were a few people and their lawyers going to cause anyone to lose money.

   I have not heard specificly from anyone other then what justin had wrote..  "We were forced to CANCEL THE BEER GARDEN. Let me explain, the few people who were upset got lawyers involved and basically forced us to shut it down, or the stock contractor, Mr. Bob Kasper, would suffer the consquences of losing money. I can not justify making someone else, trying to earn a living, to lose out because of a few hipocrits in my town."
I wondered if they directed anything toward AFRA?
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Chas on July 27, 2012, 06:53:50 PM
It is not the point that people can stand a few hours without beer. It is that few got a lawyer and forced the shut down. The sorry SOBs
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 27, 2012, 08:08:01 PM
Westboro Crocker Church.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Coyote on July 27, 2012, 08:26:03 PM
ROFL....Bird.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 27, 2012, 08:53:23 PM
I swear I should make that county asshole list I been debating for years.. Only think keeping me from it is deciding wether I belong on it or not.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on July 27, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
As a non-beer drinker, I agree.  However, you are missing the point.  The beer tent was to be a well regulated, well organized, FUND RAISER for the children of Crocker.  Those who think they know what's best for others have now taken that fund raiser away.  If they want to "do the right thing" then THEY need to donate funds to the park board to offset the loss of the beer tent.
Damn you Timmy... Don't do that to me,...As a non-beer drinker, I spit,Sh*t coughed and choked on that statment  :wink1a:
 
 
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 27, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Just more do gooders driving good people away from the church. They get angrier every time the donations go down.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Just_a_Biker on July 27, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
Damn you Timmy... Don't do that to me,...As a non-beer drinker, I spit,Sh*t coughed and choked on that statment  :wink1a:
 
 

lol
It's true... Gave up beer around 06ish & hard liquor last year... I still have a beer every year on Pop's Ride and the occasional shot in memory of someone, but my drinkin days are behind me if I want to stay vertical....
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on July 27, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
lol
It's true... Gave up beer around 06ish & hard liquor last year... I still have a beer every year on Pop's Ride and the occasional shot in memory of someone, but my drinkin days are behind me if I want to stay vertical....
You make me so proud young fellow!!  :th_gen129:
Now if I could just get you to stop chasing women.....OH crap what am I saying....never mind :wink1a:
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: ~kathy~ on July 28, 2012, 03:51:45 AM
so what was the threat that caused the beer garden to be dropped?


from Justin Smith... They actually threatened to sue the AFRA Rodeo for "false advertisement" on their website. I had full support of the AFRA and the stock contractor Bob Kasper. I just could not justify them losing money. I truly hope everyone comes out and supports us. We need all the help we can get.

It states on all AFRA Rodeo paperwork that there is not to be any alcohol at any of there showings BUT Justin and others talked to them and got the go ahead to have a beer garden, so all the complainers said if they have it they were going to sue AFRA for false advertisement.   

It is just stupid because these older people that are complaining have no kids that play in the park and could careless about the town !!!! It is people like them is why Crocker has NOTHING for kids to do, because they want it to be a complete retirement village. I can say I don't see any of the complainers going to the rodeo and i think that the people who live out of town and want to complain should shut their faces...I know for a fact that people like Pat Ruckman think they can rule everyone, I found that out 1 year when the river flooded 1 time down by her daughters place and she went to the county shed DEMANDING they do something to get her daughter out and make the river go down. HAHA People like that are a joke. But everyone can thank people like her because as long as they think they have a say Crocker will never have anything...it is time for a change.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: 2CardJohnE on July 28, 2012, 04:16:41 AM
when you google afra rodeo this is what it says on the front page  NOTICE: Per the AFRA rule book there is NO ALCOHOL allowed at any of our sanctioned events. Please see the rule book for complete details and consequences that will be enforced. http://americanfamilyrodeo.com/ (http://americanfamilyrodeo.com/)  but if you read the rule " per the AFRA rule book.. page 8 line 31 this is what it says 31. After a formal hearing presented to the AFRA Board, any stock contractor, judge, employee, director, AFRA personnel, members or appointed helper found guilty of being physically or verbally abusive to any AFRA members, abusive to any stock, consuming or distributing alcohol or drugs on the rodeo grounds may be fined $100.00 for the first offense and any further offense will be taken before the Board of Directors with the possibility of losing sanctioning and/or being banned from the association depending on the offense.
It only deals with AFRA association members and has nothing to do with a vendor at the venue,,,,those complaining had make copys of the front page and passed them out around town. did not copy the actual rule
a few of the complainers did show up
 
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 28, 2012, 04:23:53 AM

Kevin Ware

 This is in reference to the Crocker Community Park and the rodeo to be held this weekend. Community is defined in Merriam-Webster's dictionary as "A unified body of individuals". Somewhere along the way, we have lost sight of what a community truly is. Each individual is entitled and encouraged to have their own personal beliefs and should feel free to express them in such a way that does not become a detriment to their community. The beer garden was not something that the park board took lightly in any respect. The topic was discussed and debated in several publicly open meetings, legal research was done, the ethical implications were raised. All parties involved (AFRA, City Council, City Attorneys, Crocker Police Department, and the stock contractor) were all informed and gave approval before the matter was even put to a vote. Not all board members agreed at first, but after much deliberation, not coercion, we voted unanimously to approve. The beer garden was not implemented simply to promote a party atmosphere, but we saw it as an opportunity to raise a significant amount of money, every cent to be applied toward the repair of the playground equipment. We understand that the rodeo is a family event. Every member has a family in this community and many of us have small children. We would in no way, shape or form have a family event that we could not feel 100% comfortable that our family would be safe to attend. In order to maintain this family atmosphere the beer garden was to be in a location segregated from the arena. This area would have been roped off and no beverages were to leave this area. There would have been a significant police presence to eliminate underage drinking and unruly conduct. It is my and only my suspicion that the people who led the charge against this did not understand how seriously we took putting a beer garden in the park. We were fully prepared for resistance from a portion of the community but naively assumed that it would be done civilly. Instead, myself and several other members of the park board were subjected to a multitude of phone calls while we were at work. This may be acceptable to some, but as person who has volunteered countless hours of my time and effort to the improvement of our community, I found it in very poor taste. We are volunteers who have given our time, at the expense of our own families, for each and every one of you. We give freely to our community and ask little in return. Respect and support. Calls were also made to AFRA forcing them to threaten to cancel the rodeo entirely if the beer garden was not removed. This would have resulted in no money raised and a loss of income for the stock contractor. We were regrettably forced to comply with the wants of the few. I apologize on behalf of my fellow park board members if any person has been offended by any of the comments made but please understand our frustration and forgive us if we seem bitter. The people opposed to the beer garden should feel free to raise concerns and voice opinions at each and every park board meeting. As stated above, this was heavily debated over several months. We have meetings the first Monday of every month at 6:30 pm in the saddle club building at the park. Our agendas are posted and all members of the community are encouraged to attend. These meetings are the time and place to handle these issues. If you are unable to attend these meetings, there is a Crocker Community Park facebook page where we welcome your input. We would like to thank all of you for your continued support and encouragement. Lets not lose sight of what a community is..."A UNIFIED body of individuals". Come to the rodeo and help us improve our community.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 28, 2012, 04:24:54 AM
I was just told the event went well tonight. They are expecting even better tommorow night.. Go support it..
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: 2CardJohnE on July 28, 2012, 04:33:19 AM
I was just told the event went well tonight. They are expecting even better tommorow night.. Go support it..
It did go well...i honestly can say i have never seen the park full of that many vehicles and stock trailers.
the Nacho's i had would of washed down better with a bud light tho
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: whatsnew on July 28, 2012, 01:33:26 PM
what pi$$es me off anbout Pat Ruckman is she accepted a scholarship for her daughters college from VFW... hello...THEY SELL BEER!!!! can you say hypocrite... maybe Ruckmans don't need Crockers money... go rent storage sheds from the Currys and get your heating and cooling from Crawfords... wouldn't want any beer drinkers supporting them now would we??? (((**&^^%
And Angela and Bill Medlen? ??? is this for real? ??? ??? ??
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Just_a_Biker on July 30, 2012, 12:43:52 PM
The rodeo Friday night was great.  And the beers that I bought at the gas station on the way in were still nice & frosty when I passed them out to some of the hard working folks there that night.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: oneandoneonly on July 30, 2012, 03:18:24 PM
I heard that turnout better than expected for both nights. Is there any truth to that?
 
To all the 'beer' fans, that would sure be a BIG blow...
 
 
I was just told the event went well tonight. They are expecting even better tommorow night.. Go support it..
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: Just_a_Biker on July 30, 2012, 03:59:38 PM
I heard that turnout better than expected for both nights. Is there any truth to that?
 
To all the 'beer' fans, that would sure be a BIG blow...
 
 

It's not a BIG BLOW... the beer tent would have brought in ADDITIONAL funds... There's no way to recoup the funds that were lost by not having the beer tent...
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: fireman_jeff on July 30, 2012, 04:32:41 PM
I have a question.... How much money did the park board lose in their deposit alone? I know for something like that there would have to have been a deposit placed. I wouldn't imagine it would be small.
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: 2CardJohnE on July 31, 2012, 02:17:12 AM
I have a question.... How much money did the park board lose in their deposit alone? I know for something like that there would have to have been a deposit placed. I wouldn't imagine it would be small.
i think they were just out the up front fees for the license...being a non profit event they only had to pay for each keg as it was opened...any left over beer in the keg would of just made for a nice "clean up the trash" event the next day :)
Title: Re: Rodeo in Crocker forced to not sell beer.
Post by: mandie_81z on July 31, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
I did hear that the churches that these people belong to were willing to make a donation to the cause, and that some were more generous than others... but I'm not sure where that info came from other than someone who was working the rodeo.