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Title: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 05, 2009, 08:19:49 PM
Just over the wires... there was a mass shooting at Ft. Hood.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2009/11/msnbc-7-killed-in-shooting-at-ft-hood-in-texas/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2009/11/msnbc-7-killed-in-shooting-at-ft-hood-in-texas/1)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Eden on November 05, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
That is too close to Ft. Wood - I went into a panic!

Keep us updated.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 05, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
Right now they don't know if they were military or civilian shooters. Base is on lock-down, one shooter caught.... supposively dressed in BDUs.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
Have they locked down FLW yet??
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 05, 2009, 08:42:39 PM
Now reporting there is a third shooter... they are reporting they are in fatigues (guess they mean BDUs?)
Reporting shootings at house theater, one at PX, one at processing center.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 08:44:35 PM
Why would they lock down FLW?  isolated to Hood.  It isnt like a WMD was set off.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
Why would they lock down FLW?  isolated to Hood.  It isnt like a WMD was set off.

3 different shooters dressed as Military...
can you say possible terrorist attack??
Duh?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 08:49:35 PM
doubt it...
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 05, 2009, 08:54:26 PM
Apparently there was a graduation today, so even with gate guards, non-authorized personnel could have entered the Post.  FBI has been called in....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
doubt it...
Why would you doubt the possibility? they catch terrorist everyday in this country, sooner or later some will get to carry out there plot before capture.
Prepare for the worst. Pray for the best.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 09:01:29 PM
There are also shootings involving more then one shooter every day, but we dont lock down every location it happens at. 
I pray for thefamilies of those that got wounded or killed...i pray for the police to catch these guys...but i refuse to fuel a post 9/11 panic.  It seems like everytime something happens people want to scream terrorist act....this happens a lot.....open post....in cities....wherever.  before 9/11 it was just a news event.....just like now.  If information becomes available to consider it a terrorist attack they would lock us down...but there is nothing to indicate that.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 09:12:45 PM
There are also shootings involving more then one shooter every day, but we dont lock down every location it happens at. 
I pray for thefamilies of those that got wounded or killed...i pray for the police to catch these guys...but i refuse to fuel a post 9/11 panic.  It seems like everytime something happens people want to scream terrorist act....this happens a lot.....open post....in cities....wherever.  before 9/11 it was just a news event.....just like now.  If information becomes available to consider it a terrorist attack they would lock us down...but there is nothing to indicate that.
When 2 or more shooters go on s military post to kill military personal it a terrorist plot.
It doesn't mean they are Muslim but they are Terrorist.
remember the oklahoma bombing and McViegh?
Terroist.
You must be a Obamanite right?
And we do lock down things everyday, wasn't waynesville school just locked down the other day?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 09:19:08 PM
no..not an Obamanite. 
And you are correct, 2 or more people by the DoD definition does make for a (possible) terrorist act.  That still doesnt mean we need to lock down here.  regardless of thier religion...it may just be a couple of knuckleheads that decided to start shooting for whatever inane reason they came up with.

If they did it in a crowed mall...it could be considered a terrorist plot...or just a shooting....dont let the location of a military post send you into a panic until it is decided that there is an issue.  W ehad some shootings here on Ft Wood a while back...they didnt lock down Fort Hood did they? I dont even think they locked down here...

do you really want to see the cars lined up out to I-44 again over a possibility?  I dont. 
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 09:32:19 PM
no..not an Obamanite. 
And you are correct, 2 or more people by the DoD definition does make for a (possible) terrorist act.  That still doesn't mean we need to lock down here.  regardless of thier religion...it may just be a couple of knuckleheads that decided to start shooting for whatever inane reason they came up with.

If they did it in a crowed mall...it could be considered a terrorist plot...or just a shooting....dont let the location of a military post send you into a panic until it is decided that there is an issue.  W ehad some shootings here on Ft Wood a while back...they didnt lock down Fort Hood did they? I dont even think they locked down here...

do you really want to see the cars lined up out to I-44 again over a possibility?  I dont.
So your worried about inconvenience and not saving lives huh?
I don't care if they back traffic up to St.Louis if it will save a life.
You don't live in the same world I do.
I live on the gulf coast next to Hurlbert field.
Trust me you couldn't even get on this base without security Clarence or Eglin air base Or Penscola NAS.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 09:35:34 PM
You cant get on those bases because of what is there...equipment...documents...ect.  What better opportunity for a terrorist to take some people out ....traffic all backed up....no where to run...and he starts shooting one at a time..slowly and methodically.   Lives will be saved when these guys are caught....or at least the last one.....still no reason to activate a full alert status here.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
OK Maynard...I concede. i was watching a video feed from Ft Hood....they focused in on a truck with a sign on the back that said "Post Police"....not "Military police"

case closed...the terrorist will be caught by privates with trash bags on detail.   hahahaha   We can all sleep sound tonight.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
You cant get on those bases because of what is there...equipment...documents...ect.  What better opportunity for a terrorist to take some people out ....traffic all backed up....no where to run...and he starts shooting one at a time..slowly and methodically.   Lives will be saved when these guys are caught....or at least the last one.....still no reason to activate a full alert status here.
Don't worry Matrsnot and a hundred of others with ccw permits will be there to protect you in the backed traffic.
Look BRH your not going to oneup me I'm a 66 yr old retired republican so just give it up.
&^&&( :th_th36_1_15:

Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: littlebit on November 05, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
12 dead including a gunman is the new count....
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 05, 2009, 09:49:52 PM
Have they locked down FLW yet??

No. I called PAO and there is nothing to release to the media yet about any security steps. Obviously FLW is doing things but equally obviously it benefits nobody but the terrorists to know what those things are.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 09:51:36 PM
Don't worry Matrsnot and a hundred of others with ccw permits will be there to protect you in the backed traffic.
Look BRH your not going to oneup me I'm a 66 yr old retired republican so just give it up.
&^&&( :th_th36_1_15:


i already gave up when they brought in the Special Ops trash guys at Ft Hood....
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: demo.dave on November 05, 2009, 09:55:56 PM
This is from STLToday.

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) -- At least seven people were killed and 20 wounded in two shootings Thursday at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas, the Army said. At least two gunmen were believed to be involved in attack, and one was in custody, the military said. The first shooting began at about 1:30 p.m. at a personnel and medical processing office, Army spokesman Lt. Col. Nathan Banks said. The facility, called a Soldier Rating and Processing center, handles administrative details for soldiers.

Banks says the second shooting took place at a theater on the sprawling base.

Sgt. Rebekah Lampam, a spokeswoman at Fort Hood, said it was not known whether the shooters were soldiers or civilians.

An Army spokesman said the base was locked down after the shootings.

Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, the sprawling base is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

At the Soldier Readiness Center, soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening - on average about 300-400 screened a day, Lampam said.

Lampam said a graduation ceremony for soldiers who finished college courses while deployed was going on in the auditorium at the time of the shooting.

The White House said President Barack Obama was notified of the shootings.

The base is home to nine schools - seven elementary schools and two middle schools - and all were on lockdown, said Killeen school spokesman Todd Martin.

Texas Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Tela Mange said Texas Rangers and state troopers were en route to Fort Hood to help seal the perimeter of the 108,000 acre base.

Fort Hood officially opened on Sept. 18, 1942, and was named in honor of Gen. John Bell Hood. It has been continuously used for armored training and is charged with maintaining readiness for combat missions.

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AP National Security Writer Anne Gearan and Associated Press writers Lolita C. Baldor and Devlin Barrett in Washington, D.C., and Associated Press Writer Linda Stewart Ball in Dallas contributed to this report.

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Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 10:00:30 PM
FWIW:  from MSNBC....

A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 05, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
FWIW:  from MSNBC....

A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name.
Go figure....
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 10:06:27 PM
GASP.....Maynard...you were right....good thing the post police is on the job
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 10:12:35 PM
Also updated to 12 dead 31 injured.

"A spokesman for Fort Hood said the shootings took place at two locations around 1:30 p.m.: the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and Howze Theater."  MSNBC

Possibly preparing to be deployed to Afghanistan......

Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: demo.dave on November 05, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
All 3 shooters were US soldiers.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
FWIW:  from MSNBC....

A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name.

Now named as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.... 
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 05, 2009, 10:33:48 PM
Not too surprising
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 10:38:01 PM
Better watch out, Trena.... you'll be labeled as prejudiced, racist and a bigot.
 $%$#@%^
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 05, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
and the other two shooters?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 05, 2009, 10:40:45 PM
Better watch out, Trena.... you'll be labeled as prejudiced, racist and a bigot.
 $%$#@%^

So be it, lol
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 10:42:35 PM
So be it, lol

Gotta love those Pulaski county girls!  lol
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 05, 2009, 10:44:21 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Eeyore on November 05, 2009, 10:48:54 PM
I just heard------


still speechless
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 10:49:55 PM
Better watch out, Trena.... you'll be labeled as prejudiced, racist and a bigot.
 $%$#@%^

Damn you mean I'm going to need to register now??
Okay where do I sign up.
Oh wait I'm a Registered Republican so that means I'm already regisitered right ::)   ???
 :th_th36_1_15:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 10:54:00 PM

Oh wait I'm a Registered Republican so that means I'm already regisitered right ::)   ???
 :th_th36_1_15:

Yep.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 05, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Maynard, I bet you are on more lists than most of us can count, lol
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 10:58:50 PM
and the other two shooters?

No word yet... they are in custody and the major was killed.  Apparently he was getting ready to be deployed to Afghanistan and had voiced his discontent with this deployment.

Heard this on MSNBC TV
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 05, 2009, 10:59:46 PM
Maynard, I bet you are on more lists than most of us can count, lol
It's nice to recognized for my service.
You do mean Sh!t list and hit list don't you  :wink1a:   ::D: :th_gen129:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: blissfullybusy on November 05, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
I was just told by one of my friends at Ft. Hood that the Hasan dude used his personal hand gun... how did he even get that on Ft. Hood?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
I was just told by one of my friends at Ft. Hood that the Hasan dude used his personal hand gun... how did he even get that on Ft. Hood?
12 dead, 30 plus injured...... supposedly "primary" shooter (Hasan) had two handguns.  Had to be others involved.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: BigRedHouse on November 05, 2009, 11:06:01 PM
he is a major in the army that works in the hospital there..i looked him up on AKO...the question should not be how did he get on post....the question should be how the heck did he get prmoted to Major in the US Army...was ther no one more qualified?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 11:09:02 PM
Name doesn't match exactly but here is the Facebook page reported to be the primary shooter.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 05, 2009, 11:14:04 PM
I am jumping through hoops trying to get my Missouri driver's license renewed, and these people get into the US Military? wtf....they probably got credentials a hell of a lot easier than I can get my freaking birth certificate! That really pisses me off.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 05, 2009, 11:20:49 PM
A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

The official says investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name, or if he changed his name and converted to Islam at some point in his life.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 11:23:04 PM
A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

The official says investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name, or if he changed his name and converted to Islam at some point in his life.
From what I've heard he is a convert and from Virginia.  Mental health professional... either a psychologist or a psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 11:28:09 PM
It appears that even IF this wasn't a religious agenda it definitely was political.  He did NOT want to go to war (against his brothers??).
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 11:44:47 PM
Another caveat here but......   Drudge is posting a pic that does NOT match the Facebook link I posted earlier.  Facebook pic was a black gentleman; Drudge's pic below:

(http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/ht_hasan_hood_091105_main.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 05, 2009, 11:51:32 PM
A defense official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hasan was a mental health professional ó an Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 05, 2009, 11:53:32 PM
CNN has now made an unconfirmed statement Major Nadal was from Jordan
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 06, 2009, 03:12:39 AM
Major Hasan.... Muslim....didn't want to go to war against his Muslim "brothers", but it's ok for him to kill his American "brothers and sisters" in the military....That IS a terrorist, for it makes many question the allegiance of other Muslim soldiers.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 03:31:49 AM
Major Hasan.... Muslim....didn't want to go to war against his Muslim "brothers", but it's ok for him to kill his American "brothers and sisters" in the military....That IS a terrorist, for it makes many question the allegiance of other Muslim soldiers.
You can't trust a muslim period, If they were born a muslim they are still a muslim no matter what they say.
Hmmmm isn't there a famous person a man of great power that was born a muslim but he denies he is still a muslim can't recall his name but he wrote a book saying when it came down to it and there is a Holy war he would support his muslim brothers.
Kari can you remember this guys name ???   ::)   :th_gen129:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 06, 2009, 03:59:09 AM
Major Hasan.... Muslim....didn't want to go to war against his Muslim "brothers", but it's ok for him to kill his American "brothers and sisters" in the military....That IS a terrorist, for it makes many question the allegiance of other Muslim soldiers.

The media is really distancing itself from the "Muslim" issue because it's so politically incorrect.  Regardless, he still had a political agenda.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 04:06:57 AM
The media is really distancing itself from the "Muslim" issue because it's so politically incorrect.  Regardless, he still had a political agenda.
Oh and by the way the shooter is not......NOT DEAD!!
as reported :th_thwhistling:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 06, 2009, 04:16:55 AM
The biggest mystery now is which one of our local left-leaning friends will come to his defense first.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 04:22:32 AM
The biggest mystery now is which one of our local left-leaning friends will come to his defense.
DN will do it just to Piss "YOU" off and what_the will do it just to piss people of in general and the other 3 will just play follow the leader.....JMO
Duuuude wheres my car  ((*(*&
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 06, 2009, 04:26:55 AM
You can't trust a muslim period, If they were born a muslim they are still a muslim no matter what they say.
Hmmmm isn't there a famous person a man of great power that was born a muslim but he denies he is still a muslim can't recall his name but he wrote a book saying when it came down to it and there is a Holy war he would support his muslim brothers.
Kari can you remember this guys name ???   ::)   :th_gen129:
Gee Maynard... the name is right on the tip of my tongue, Hasan, Husan, Hussein, hmmmm, was it his first, middle or last name.....
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 04:34:33 AM
Gee Maynard... the name is right on the tip of my tongue, Hasan, Husan, Hussein, hmmmm, was it his first, middle or last name.....
I think your on the right track there sweet heart and I believe it was his middle name.
You need to start playing more again and pissing me off about faggots, abortions and being a good anti christ.
I think Fish was lost without you and Poor Mark Has Died In his soul because Rick burned him at the stake.
I miss Him and his copy and paste ::) :th_gen129:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: scubbie on November 06, 2009, 04:48:52 AM
I think this may be his Facebook account. Looks more like the photo the news has.
 
http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp&o=2048&q=Malik+Hasan&s=70#/profile.php?id=571636270 (http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp&o=2048&q=Malik+Hasan&s=70#/profile.php?id=571636270)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 06, 2009, 05:03:20 AM
I think your on the right track there sweet heart and I believe it was his middle name.
You need to start playing more again and pissing me off about faggots, abortions and being a good anti christ.
I think Fish was lost without you and Poor Mark Has Died In his soul because Rick burned him at the stake.
I miss Him and his copy and paste ::) :th_gen129:
Awww, ya miss me Maynard.... I said I'd be around here and there. Don't worry, I'll piss ya off again... that's what friends are for!  :poke:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 06, 2009, 05:22:34 AM
Are you saying Digital doesn't believe everything he writes? He's doing all this to stir the pot? Say it ain't so!!



DN will do it just to Piss "YOU" off and what_the will do it just to piss people of in general and the other 3 will just play follow the leader.....JMO
Duuuude wheres my car  ((*(*&
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 05:34:30 AM
Are you saying Digital doesn't believe everything he writes? He's doing all this to stir the pot? Say it ain't so!!

Shhhhhhh!!! don't tell everybody but DN preaches at a Baptist church when he leaves town on the weekends and he Teaches a coarse on the evils of Satanism at SMS 2 days a week.
His goal is if he can get people so mad at him they will turn to God.
So don't tell anyone or it could spoil his plan to bring people to the Lord.
 ***(((*
Now this is true because Satin told me :th_th36_1_15:
 :th_thmuwahaha-1: Bahahahahaha :th_thwhistling:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 05:49:03 AM
Awww, ya miss me Maynard.... I said I'd be around here and there. Don't worry, I'll piss ya off again... that's what friends are for!  :poke:
Hey guess what? they closed down another abortion clinic here yesterday... theirs only one left and people will not hardly go there.
Pensacola has blown up and burnt down more clinic's than anywhere, they have shoot and killed 2 Doctors and one escort and made all the other Doctors quit in fear of their lives.
cool huh? ((*(*&
That should get you started :th_thmuwahaha-1: Teeheeheeeeheeeee :wink1a:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 06, 2009, 01:09:24 PM
On the Today show they just said he is in stable condition and on a ventilator. Also saying that the FBI had been suspicious of him for 6 months because he had been posting and blogging on the internet about terrorist plots and suicide bombings
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Eden on November 06, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
Ok weren't they saying yesterday there were 3 shooters? this morning they are saying just the 1.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: igahmah at work on November 06, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
Hey guess what? they closed down another abortion clinic here yesterday... theirs only one left and people will not hardly go there.
Pensacola has blown up and burnt down more clinic's than anywhere, they have shoot and killed 2 Doctors and one escort and made all the other Doctors quit in fear of their lives.


cool huh? ((*(*&
That should get you started :th_thmuwahaha-1: Teeheeheeeeheeeee :wink1a:

 
 
I know you are just "pushing buttons" but no it's not cool.  I'm glad they are out of business but I don't want to see anybody get hurt.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 06, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Yeah, yesterday they were saying two or three shooters. I haven't heard anything about any others since.

I don't get why nothing was done before. The FBI was watching him and he was telling everyone he didn't want to go to war.
No red flags?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 01:35:37 PM
This is all so mind boggling. And the fear the survivng soldiers have to deal with, when somone of that HIGH rank can do this. :( :( :( :(
Like they said last night, how many soldiers are going to be looking at their comrades with self doubt...fear.. There is going to be so many issues resulting from this. I just prayed hard last night.. Its just sad.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Eeyore on November 06, 2009, 01:41:17 PM
The counts were 13 and 31 this am, and shooter still recovering, not talking yet.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: matrsnot on November 06, 2009, 01:52:12 PM
 
They took 2 into custody and after questioning, released them.  It was my impression last evening they were looking for another person though.  Too bad the guy didn't die on the operating table.  It was reported he gave away all his furniture and copies of the Koran before he went on this rampage.  Also they stated he had specific targets and those shot were, for the most part, not random.  BTW, did anyone notice he is a Muslim?  Guess he didn't want to fight his brothers in the middle east and this was his statement.  I didn't give any thought to the nationality of the assailant until they announced it last night.  But I am not surpirsed at all by the turn of events
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: fish on November 06, 2009, 01:53:07 PM
By JEFF CARLTON, Associated Press Writer Jeff Carlton, Associated Press Writer Ė 23 mins ago
FORT HOOD, Texas Ė Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.

Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said officials had not yet confirmed that the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday, which left 30 people wounded, including the gunman.

An imam from a mosque Hasan regularly attended said Hasan, a lifelong Muslim, was a committed soldier, gave no sign of extremist beliefs and regularly wore his uniform at prayers.

Cone said Hasan was hospitalized in stable condition and that investigators hope to interrogate him as soon as possible. In the early chaos after the shootings, authorities believed they had killed him, only to discover later that he had survived.

Cone said Hasan was not known to be a threat or risk. He acknowledged that it was "counterintuitive" that a single shooter could kill and injure so many people. But he said the massacre occurred in "close quarters."

"With ricochet fire, he was able to injure that number of people," Cone said. Authorities are investigating whether Hasan's weapons were properly registered with the military.

The motive for the shooting wasn't clear, but Hasan was apparently set to deploy soon and had expressed some anger about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said generals at Fort Hood told her that Hasan was about to deploy overseas.

Lee said Hasan had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars.

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.

The gunfire broke out around 1:30 p.m. at the Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening. Nearby, some soldiers were readying to head into a graduation ceremony for troops and families who had recently earned degrees.

Pastor Greg Schannep had just parked his car along the side of the theater and was about to head into the ceremony when a man in uniform approached him.

"Sir, they are opening fire over there!" the man told him. At first, he thought it was a training exercise ó then heard three volleys and saw people running. As the man who warned him about the shots ran away, he could see the man's back was bloodied from a wound.

Schannep said police and medical and other emergency personnel were on the scene in an instant, telling people to get inside the theater. The post went into lockdown while a search began for a suspect and emergency workers began trying to treat the wounded. Some soldiers rushed to treat their injured colleagues by ripping their uniforms into makeshift bandages to treat their wounds.

Video from the scene showed police patrolling the area with handguns and rifles, ducking behind buildings for cover. Sirens could be heard wailing while a woman's voice on a public-address system urged people to take cover. Schools on the base went into lockdown, and family members trying to find out what was happening inside found cell phone lines jammed or busy.

"I was confused and just shocked," said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the center but was not on duty during the shooting. "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."

The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said. Their identities and the identities of the dead were not immediately released.

The bodies of the victims would be taken to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for autopsies and forensic tests, said a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters that were under investigation.

There also will be a ceremony at the air base to honor the dead.

Jamie and Scotty Casteel stood outside the emergency room at the hospital in Temple waiting for news of their son-in-law Matthew Cooke, who was among the injured.

"He's been shot in the abdomen and that's all we know," Jamie Casteel told The Associated Press. She said Cooke, from New York state, had been home from Iraq for about a year.

Amber Bahr, 19, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition, said her mother, Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis.

"We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund said. She couldn't provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.

Nathan A. Hewitt, 26, of Lafayette, Ind., was shot in the hip and calf, his uncles Elmo Robledo and Rex Deaton told the Journal & Courier.

Ashley Saucedo told WOOD-TV in Michigan that her husband was shot in the arm, but she couldn't discuss specifics. Saucedo said she and the couple's two children weren't permitted to leave their home at Fort Hood during the shootings.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood in July, Hasan worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing a career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. The 39-year-old Army major received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

But his record wasn't sterling. At Walter Reed, he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. And while he was an intern, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md., said "I got the impression that he was a committed soldier." He said Hasan attended prayers regularly at the mosque in Silver Spring, Md., and was a lifelong Muslim. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, and he wanted out of the Army.

"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

Investigators had not determined for certain whether Hasan was the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

The FBI, local police and other agencies searched Hasan's apartment Thursday night after evacuating the complex in Killeen, said city spokeswoman Hilary Shine. She referred questions about what was found to the FBI. The FBI in Dallas referred questions to a spokesman who was not immediately available early Friday morning.

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Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 06, 2009, 01:55:06 PM
"Cone says Hasan was not known to be a threat or risk."

It was know to the FBI. I'd say they will have some answering to do.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 02:33:10 PM
Have you seen the pictires of him in his Arab clothing, getting coffee yesterday morning?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
The counts were 13 and 31 this am, and shooter still recovering, not talking yet.

Yeah, it appears he will get out of the militarty now. Just not like he wanted to... Since he is muslim, can we try him like a muslim.. Stand him up and let these recovering shoulders open fire? :poke:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: matrsnot on November 06, 2009, 03:57:08 PM
 :th_thbeer1-1: I might accidentally miss a vital zone the first few tries though.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Chas on November 06, 2009, 04:11:50 PM
Iím glad he lived so we can have another shot at killing him. This will make it rough on the other soldiers that are Muslim. And you know what I donít care. Iím sick of being politically correct about this. I know I have stated that I know Muslims that are good people, and they probably are. Iím sure people thought this guy was to. If I was in military I would be keeping a close eye on those around me that I knew were Muslim.
This is not the first time this has happened. Doesnít want to fight his brothers they werenít his brothers what about the men and women he served with. He was American and I hope they also find guilty of treason. The next war in this country wonít be about politics it will be about religion. I donít care about a personís race, nationality or religion as long as they have a live and let live attitude. However, if this ever escalates either by planning among an in  the Muslim community or simply by copycat killers this could get out of hand. Doesnít even have to be Muslims could be good ole boys decide to go out kill themselves some Muslims. Nothing starts a good war like fight over religion. Label me a bigot or racist I donít care because Iím not, but If the day came that I had to personally fight over religion I know which side I would be on.
If the majority of Muslims do not feel the same way that these radical Muslims then it time for them to take stand for their religion and find a way to do away with these bastards. Hell they kill their own people and do a better job at it then the Military does.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 06, 2009, 04:24:32 PM
By JEFF CARLTON, Associated Press Writer Jeff Carlton, Associated Press Writer – 23 mins ago
FORT HOOD, Texas – Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.

Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said officials had not yet confirmed that the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday, which left 30 people wounded, including the gunman.

Here's an interview with the general about this U.S. Army officer making the Allahu Akbar quote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlW4O3zOA4E&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlW4O3zOA4E&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: matrsnot on November 06, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
He wil lleave the military in only one way.  Death.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 06, 2009, 04:41:03 PM
A very important caution here...
 
Anyone who knows me knows what I think about Islam as a religion. But I'm hearing things that go beyond what we can or should say.
 
There is such a thing as an ex-Muslim. There is such as thing as a non-practicing Muslim. And there is such as thing as a professing Muslim who is only minimially observant of Islamic practices and one who does not agree with key doctrines of Islam. If you doubt that, think of the large number of ex-Catholics, baptized Catholics who rarely if ever go to Mass, professing Catholics who go to Mass on Christmas and Easter, and professing Catholics who **DO** practice their religion but are in complete disagreement with the Pope on major issues such as abortion. Would any of us say, "once a Catholic, always a Catholic?"
 
We simply cannot say that we can never trust a person because "once a Muslim, always a Muslim." Yes, I'm very much aware that terrorists have advised their followers to stay away from radical mosques where they could be observed and to deliberately do things like eat pork and otherwise try to convince people they are not Muslim.
 
However, Islam is not like evangelical Christianity in the sense that "God has no grandchildren." Islam really is a religion that you're born into (Judaism is the same way, BTW, and so are some other faiths). That means there are huge numbers of people who call themselves Muslim but are not in any serious sense of the word practicing Muslims.
 
That means we simply cannot assume that everybody who has ever been a Muslim in name is a potential terrorist. We need to treat people as individuals. And under our Constitution, if somebody claims to be a professing Muslim and still supports the United States Army, we can't keep them from enlisting. Even though I sincerely believe that it is not possible to be a good Muslim and a good American, it is very possible to be a good American and a bad Muslim.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Chas on November 06, 2009, 05:12:11 PM
Darrell I agree with the statement that there are ex-Muslims and it possible to be a good American and a bad Muslim. So as a good American it time that they start informing on the radical Muslims. They try to recruit those that are not practicing or hard core Muslims, turn them in. It time to for them to stand up and do the right thing.
I stand by the comment if I was in the Military I would keep my eyes on the Muslim American soldier. Is it racist, yeah I guess it sort of is? But so is saying that you canít be a good Muslim and a good American. I would bet there are those
 in the Muslim community that would take offense to that remark and find it racist. But I agree with you .Iím not saying go out kill them or beat them. But I know personally I would have a hard time not keeping eye on them. I guess Iím just not that enlighten.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Probie on November 06, 2009, 05:14:34 PM
From what i have read, it seems like some of the casualties could be a result of "Friendly Fire" and "Confusion". Very sad deal to all the families involved.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: fish on November 06, 2009, 05:36:57 PM
it isn't racist to keep an eye on a muslim soldier. it is a defensive measure.

Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: fish on November 06, 2009, 05:38:33 PM
gov perry already said he will make sure hasan is executed, if he makes it to trial.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 06:06:46 PM

 
 
I know you are just "pushing buttons" but no it's not cool.  I'm glad they are out of business but I don't want to see anybody get hurt.
Pushing buttons??  MOI?? :th_th36_1_15:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Princess04 on November 06, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
You think the shooter was ever stationed here?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: igahmah at work on November 06, 2009, 06:27:33 PM
I doubt it.  Someone would have said something by now.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Princess04 on November 06, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
I understood your post...I was referring to Hasan
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 06, 2009, 06:32:04 PM
A very important caution here...
 
Anyone who knows me knows what I think about Islam as a religion. But I'm hearing things that go beyond what we can or should say.
 
There is such a thing as an ex-Muslim. There is such as thing as a non-practicing Muslim. And there is such as thing as a professing Muslim who is only minimially observant of Islamic practices and one who does not agree with key doctrines of Islam. If you doubt that, think of the large number of ex-Catholics, baptized Catholics who rarely if ever go to Mass, professing Catholics who go to Mass on Christmas and Easter, and professing Catholics who **DO** practice their religion but are in complete disagreement with the Pope on major issues such as abortion. Would any of us say, "once a Catholic, always a Catholic?"
 
We simply cannot say that we can never trust a person because "once a Muslim, always a Muslim." Yes, I'm very much aware that terrorists have advised their followers to stay away from radical mosques where they could be observed and to deliberately do things like eat pork and otherwise try to convince people they are not Muslim.
 
However, Islam is not like evangelical Christianity in the sense that "God has no grandchildren." Islam really is a religion that you're born into (Judaism is the same way, BTW, and so are some other faiths). That means there are huge numbers of people who call themselves Muslim but are not in any serious sense of the word practicing Muslims.
 
That means we simply cannot assume that everybody who has ever been a Muslim in name is a potential terrorist. We need to treat people as individuals. And under our Constitution, if somebody claims to be a professing Muslim and still supports the United States Army, we can't keep them from enlisting. Even though I sincerely believe that it is not possible to be a good Muslim and a good American, it is very possible to be a good American and a bad Muslim.
If It walks like a duck..........Kill It, stuff it and have it for Sunday dinner..........Quack...Quack
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: matrsnot on November 06, 2009, 06:34:41 PM
She did an outstanding job.  Under pressure and taking a wound herself and the loss of fine motor skills in the situation, and she still put four into the SOB. Too bad they weren't .45's insteadd of the weaker 9mm
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 07:08:17 PM
Even his own family is calling him despicable.. I don't have an ounce of remorse for him. Call me anything you want to call me.. but I see soldiers everyday being trained to fight for us.. For their own to turn on them..is unimaginable.. I don't see any justice unless its a slow torture...before death. Like I said before.. he had the opportunity to take his on life and spare 43 other victims. HE chose to be a coward.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 07:11:09 PM
gov perry already said he will make sure hasan is executed, if he makes it to trial.

Just a question, he will be tried in a Military Court???Correct??
Could the State of Texas also try him since a civilian was killed? Just curious because of the governors statement.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Chas on November 06, 2009, 07:20:17 PM
I hope they don't as long as the Military puts him to death. For Tx to try him as well would be show boating and waste of taxpayers money. I never understood the whole feds try someone then the state try the person. Try em and fry em. You can only kill them once.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
I hope they don't as long as the Military puts him to death. For Tx to try him as well would be show boating and waste of taxpayers money. I never understood the whole feds try someone then the state try the person. Try em and fry em. You can only kill them once.

If the military doesnt put him to death THAT will be as harmful as what he has already done.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Chas on November 06, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
I agree. But I would bet my last dollar they do.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: matrsnot on November 06, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
10 or 15 years down the road....Maybe
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Chas on November 06, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
As with any death sentence it takes a while. Hopefully this one won't. But I would NOT bet my last dollar on it.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 06, 2009, 08:26:06 PM
Iím sick of being politically correct about this.


AMEN!  This has been and will continue to be the main reason for the downfall of our great nation. And the spin is already on full-force.  The media is making this more about a man under stress than the issue of a man fulfilling what his "bible" teaches
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Chas on November 06, 2009, 08:43:52 PM
Even if this was stress he made it about religion when he yelled God is Great in Arabic. 
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 06, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
Even if this was stress he made it about religion when he yelled God is Great in Arabic. 
EXACTLY!
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 06, 2009, 08:52:29 PM
Sept 11th did a lot more than just kill innocent people.... it was more than just an attack on the United States.  Since 9/11, every Muslim is looked at suspiciously.... Islam was also assaulted.  I personally have known MANY Muslims that do NOT agree with the ideology of radical Islam, but so many are now in fear of their lives, and the lives of their families if they speak out against radical Islam.  Many remain silent.  Is this right?  I honestly can not say, because I personally do not know how I would react, if the life of my children and Grandchildren, would be at stake. 

Islam is NOT a religion of peace, but there are Muslims that accept only the good, peaceful aspects of the Qur`an, just as most Jews and Christians accept only the good, peaceful aspects of the Tanach.  Anyone who has ACTUALLY read/studied Judaism/Christianity, knows that they did NOT start as peaceful religions.  Each religion is responsible for atrocities against their fellow man, IN THE NAME OF G_D/religion, Islam is no different.  Sept. 11th changed the world, in more ways than many of us realize.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: matrsnot on November 06, 2009, 09:05:05 PM
Hope they feed him plenty of pork chops in the hospital.  He deserves every bit if humiliation they can provide him as far as I am concerned.  Give him a fair trial and then hang him
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
Hope they feed him plenty of pork chops in the hospital.  He deserves every bit if humiliation they can provide him as far as I am concerned.  Give him a fair trial and then hang him

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Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Chas on November 06, 2009, 09:55:52 PM
While Judaism and Christianity didnít start out as peaceful religions and have killed in the name God. They are not doing now or here. Islam is not that new of a religion. Donít quote me but didnít Islam start around 600 yrs after Christianity. Does it say in the New Testament to kill people? While Iím not being PC I would like to add that if you move to this country then you should expect that your children are going to become westernized. Donít run them down in a parking lot for it. When you move here leave your laws and customs in the country that you trying to escape from. If your laws and customs say that women canít wear pants and you want to enforce that then stay in that country. I wouldnít go to another country and think that because Iím American that American laws and customs should apply.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 06, 2009, 09:57:13 PM
Hope they feed him plenty of pork chops in the hospital.  He deserves every bit if humiliation they can provide him as far as I am concerned.  Give him a fair trial and then hang him
Hey Matrsnot.... pork chops?  Way too good for him... I can think of another part of the hog they should feed him, then let him know that the testicles will be taped in his mouth, for him to be hung with.  He should have to be hung nude, by a Jewish woman, as executioner.  I'm willing to volunteer!
 :th_grinin:
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 06, 2009, 10:36:31 PM
While Judaism and Christianity didnít start out as peaceful religions and have killed in the name God. They are not doing now or here. Islam is not that new of a religion. Donít quote me but didnít Islam start around 600 yrs after Christianity. Does it say in the New Testament to kill people? While Iím not being PC I would like to add that if you move to this country then you should expect that your children are going to become westernized. Donít run them down in a parking lot for it. When you move here leave your laws and customs in the country that you trying to escape from. If your laws and customs say that women canít wear pants and you want to enforce that then stay in that country. I wouldnít go to another country and think that because Iím American that American laws and customs should apply.
It says in the New Testament that you are to follow ALL of the commandments, not just 10... learn the commandments and you will find there are some horrific "laws".....

New Testament:
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Hmmm, seems to me that's saying kill those that don't believe.....

To tell a people that they must leave their customs in the country they left, would mean that many of OUR customs, must be thrown aside.  Let's take a little look at what we would HAVE to get rid of.....Christmas, forget St. Nicholas, have to get rid of St Paddy's Day, don't light a menorah for Chanukah, etc.  I agree that customs that cause physical/psychological harm, such as honor killings, MUST not be allowed here, but they are also against our laws.  We are a melting pot, made up of many peoples, many customs and that, in itself, makes us the richest cultural country in the world.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 06, 2009, 10:49:48 PM
While Judaism and Christianity didnít start out as peaceful religions and have killed in the name God. They are not doing now or here. Islam is not that new of a religion. Donít quote me but didnít Islam start around 600 yrs after Christianity. Does it say in the New Testament to kill people? While Iím not being PC I would like to add that if you move to this country then you should expect that your children are going to become westernized. Donít run them down in a parking lot for it. When you move here leave your laws and customs in the country that you trying to escape from. If your laws and customs say that women canít wear pants and you want to enforce that then stay in that country. I wouldnít go to another country and think that because Iím American that American laws and customs should apply.
You are on a roll, dear sir!
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥ on November 06, 2009, 11:05:16 PM
The dead included a pregnant woman who was preparing to return home, a man who quit a furniture company job to join the military about a year ago, a newlywed who had served in Iraq and a woman who had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 06, 2009, 11:14:21 PM
You are on a roll, dear sir!

Yes and deserves another standing O ***(**& ***(**&
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 06, 2009, 11:14:35 PM

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Hmmm, seems to me that's saying kill those that don't believe.....

Kari, I believe you are taking a Scripture out of context here. I've always believed that one gets very little from a single Scripture as Scripture interprets Scripture - it must be viewed as whole and in it's entirety.   

Jesus was telling a parable and it is eschatological in nature and applies to the time of Christ's return.  In essence He was saying that whatever you are given you are to be faithful with - and then you will be given more.   Christ will then be the one to dole out the "rewards" and "punishment" (spiritual death) - not man.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 06, 2009, 11:20:06 PM
You're right, I can hang out with him an entire evening and never get anything like this.
 
 
You are on a roll, dear sir!
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 07, 2009, 12:06:16 AM
Kari, I believe you are taking a Scripture out of context here. I've always believed that one gets very little from a single Scripture as Scripture interprets Scripture - it must be viewed as whole and in it's entirety.   

Jesus was telling a parable and it is eschatological in nature and applies to the time of Christ's return.  In essence He was saying that whatever you are given you are to be faithful with - and then you will be given more.   Christ will then be the one to dole out the "rewards" and "punishment" (spiritual death) - not man.
You assume I am taking it out of context, fundamentalists...Jewish, Islamic, Christian, use such versus' (in their scriptures) to justify their behavior.  It was asked "does it say in the New Testament to kill people", and yes, it does.  Who are you to assume how your Jesus meant it?  You may wish to believe that Christianity is a peaceful religion, BUT it's all about interpretation!  Just as those who have killed Doctors, that performed abortions, and insist that they are justified because of THEIR interpretation of scripture.  Not all Christians are abortion Doctor killers, BUT all abortion Doctor killers HAVE been Christian.  Look at the women, in the past 10 years, who have killed their children, or allowed their children to die....due to their religious belief.  A little research will show that every one of them, were Christian, and they justified the murders using their religion.

It is way too easy for each of us to profess what a wonderful religion we may be part of, and look at the worse of other religions.  It is far more difficult to take a long hard look at our own religion, it's beginnings, and it's scriptures.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 07, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
You assume I am taking it out of context, fundamentalists...Jewish, Islamic, Christian, use such versus' (in their scriptures) to justify their behavior.  It was asked "does it say in the New Testament to kill people", and yes, it does.  Who are you to assume how your Jesus meant it?  You may wish to believe that Christianity is a peaceful religion, BUT it's all about interpretation!  Just as those who have killed Doctors, that performed abortions, and insist that they are justified because of THEIR interpretation of scripture.  Not all Christians are abortion Doctor killers, BUT all abortion Doctor killers HAVE been Christian.  Look at the women, in the past 10 years, who have killed their children, or allowed their children to die....due to their religious belief.  A little research will show that every one of them, were Christian, and they justified the murders using their religion.

It is way too easy for each of us to profess what a wonderful religion we may be part of, and look at the worse of other religions.  It is far more difficult to take a long hard look at our own religion, it's beginnings, and it's scriptures.
Sheeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaack :wink1a:
Awe the old Kari is Back.
I'm not pissed yet but I will give her time ((*(*&
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 07, 2009, 12:54:12 AM
  It was asked "does it say in the New Testament to kill people", and yes, it does. 
Kari, I really don't want to argue with you on this as I believe we have much more in common than what we disagree upon. 

However, to say that the NT commands murder from this verse is more than a stretch.  Jesus was telling an allegorical story to illustrate a central truth.  Anyone that dissects a parable and tries to make each part of it a fundamental view of Christianity is truly missing the point (and you are right, that is where we get some really hair-brained theology).

The Bible is full of rich metaphors that are not to be taken literally.  Jesus isn't a real vine, I'm not really a branch but the symbolic nature of a teaching like that can be very enlightening.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: igahmah at work on November 07, 2009, 01:10:21 AM
Seeg, surrender now.  She won't give in or give up. :)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 07, 2009, 01:16:13 AM


Kari, I really don't want to argue with you on this as I believe we have much more in common than what we disagree upon. 

However, to say that the NT commands murder from this verse is more than a stretch.  Jesus was telling an allegorical story to illustrate a central truth.  Anyone that dissects a parable and tries to make each part of it a fundamental view of Christianity is truly missing the point (and you are right, that is where we get some really hair-brained theology).

The Bible is full of rich metaphors that are not to be taken literally.  Jesus isn't a real vine, I'm not really a branch but the symbolic nature of a teaching like that can be very enlightening.

Yet there are many on here that say the verses are to be taken literally...So once again it boils down to personal belief...In all things, not just religion, we all believe what we CHOOSE to believe.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on November 07, 2009, 01:22:07 AM
Seeg, surrender now.  She won't give in or give up. :)
SOOOO True!!
The Most Pigheaded,Stuborn woman I have never met
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Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 07, 2009, 01:29:51 AM

Yet there are many on here that say the verses are to be taken literally...So once again it boils down to personal belief...In all things, not just religion, we all believe what we CHOOSE to believe.
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Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 07, 2009, 01:34:13 AM
Seeg, surrender now.  She won't give in or give up. :)
We've had our debates before.  Kari is very intelligent and eloquent and I wouldn't expect her to "give in or give up" and that's not even my intent as I have absolutely nothing against Kari.  But to take a "story" that Jesus told and somehow convert that to an instruction of murder goes against the totality of Scripture itself.

And Okie is right as well.... we all "choose" to believe what we will.  Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic or Lord - there really isn't an option other than those three.  And we all have the right and responsibility to "choose" which of the three we believe.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 07, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
I am extremely *guilty* of taking the middle ground, because so many people make so many good points..It must be nice to absolutely know that you are right, but I just can't do that. I just try to keep my mind open.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 07, 2009, 01:49:32 AM
Sorry for the temporary hijacking.... back on topic for me.

Here is the typical, politically correct media response. Check this out..... I'll let you decide what is missing from this article.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thehumancondition/archive/2009/11/06/from-ft-hood-to-florida-the-psyche-of-shooters.aspx (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thehumancondition/archive/2009/11/06/from-ft-hood-to-florida-the-psyche-of-shooters.aspx)
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Post by: Seeg on November 07, 2009, 01:59:14 AM
Now contrast the above article with this one.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/deny+what+happened+Fort+Hood/2194534/story.html (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/deny+what+happened+Fort+Hood/2194534/story.html)

This Canadian journalist has the cojones to say what American journalists should be saying! 
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Traveler on November 07, 2009, 02:23:25 AM
What the heck is wrong with our leadership?

"We don't know all the answers yet and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts," Obama said."

Jumping to conclusions, hhhmmmmm, you mean something like "the police acted stupidly" when your friend was breaking in his home ??? Guess it all depends on the conclusion jumped to..........

This has got to be the worst President of my lifetime. I saw him on his first press conference after the shooting happened and the first couple of minutes he was bragging on the darn conference he was at and someone that attended. He must just despise the military and what they represent. I need a drink...............
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 07, 2009, 03:16:47 AM
There is no "jumping" to conclusions.... fact: Major Hasan, Muslim, didn't want to fight against his fellow Muslims, shot and killed his fellow soldiers, wounding many others, counseled soldiers who suffered from PTSD due to service in Iraq or Afghanistan, argued with fellow soldiers over their support of the war, yelled ďAllah AkhbarĒ BEFORE shooting his fellow soldiers......nope, not jumping to anything...fact IS fact.

Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 07, 2009, 03:54:50 AM
There is no "jumping" to conclusions.... fact: Major Hasan, Muslim, didn't want to fight against his fellow Muslims, shot and killed his fellow soldiers, wounding many others, counseled soldiers who suffered from PTSD due to service in Iraq or Afghanistan, argued with fellow soldiers over their support of the war, yelled ďAllah AkhbarĒ BEFORE shooting his fellow soldiers......nope, not jumping to anything...fact IS fact.


I told you there was a lot that we agreed on! 

Another thought about this..... how about being a soldier coming home from war after attempts on your life by Muslim "extremists" and being counseled by um .... a Muslim extremist.
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: kari on November 07, 2009, 06:03:07 AM
I told you there was a lot that we agreed on! 

Another thought about this..... how about being a soldier coming home from war after attempts on your life by Muslim "extremists" and being counseled by um .... a Muslim extremist.
Go one step further.... suffering from PTSD, having a Muslim extremist counseling you, AND writing reports that you have to rely on for disability!  Wonder how the military, or VA are going to use his reports?  Did he put down in their medical records what was really going on, or his extremist views of those that were in conflict with "his Muslim brothers"?  How many of my comrades are going to be denied benefits and help, because a Muslim extremist felt they were in the "wrong", and gave them erroneous diagnosis just so they couldn't make a claim?
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: Seeg on November 07, 2009, 07:05:43 AM
Go one step further.... suffering from PTSD, having a Muslim extremist counseling you, AND writing reports that you have to rely on for disability!  Wonder how the military, or VA are going to use his reports?  Did he put down in their medical records what was really going on, or his extremist views of those that were in conflict with "his Muslim brothers"?  How many of my comrades are going to be denied benefits and help, because a Muslim extremist felt they were in the "wrong", and gave them erroneous diagnosis just so they couldn't make a claim?

Good points!  I don't have the exact quotes but I do remember reading that he had to be "counseled" about his rapport with his patients at Walter Reed.
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Post by: igahmah at work on November 07, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
I heard news reporters on tv referring him to the "alleged" shooter.  When you see someone doing the deed are they still alleged.  Call him what he is a murderer.
 
Also a spokesperson for the muslim religion was on tv this morning telling how he had been harrassed by fellow soldiers for being muslim.  So that will be his defense.  Someone called him a name so he killed 13 people and shot 30+ more.  Sounds like a good defense to me. ???
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Post by: kari on November 07, 2009, 03:04:38 PM
Let's see....I was the only Jew in my unit for a long time, had to work on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, had NO on Post Rabbi, heard all the "Jew jokes", then got out and because of a prejudice Doctor (I have the actual medical report (from that Doctor) that noted, numerous times, I was a "Jewish" female, which had NOTHING to do with my gallbladder!) I suffered with a bad gallbladder from Sept. 1977 until May 2000 (yep, almost 23 years, because he felt I was a "nervous Jewish female" and thus faking it!).... I didn't kill one single person, including that a$$hole Doctor!

Now, Muslim shrink, possibly teased about his religion, and he killed and wounded dozens.  Yep, sounds like he has one hell of a case for his defense!  IF, by any chance, he uses such a defense and our military allows him to get a shorten sentence, or puts him in a mental hospital, then there is no doubt that this Country has lost it's b@lls!
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Post by: cenwoman on November 07, 2009, 04:55:18 PM
I saw the interview with the soldier who said he was harrassed and there was alot more to it. He said the military was good about taking care of the problems and that he would welcome more background checks into Mulims in the Military. He felt the Muslim religion was bieng hijacked by extremists . He was not defending what happened or the man who did it,
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: whatsnew on November 07, 2009, 06:08:32 PM
I saw the interview with the soldier who said he was harrassed and there was alot more to it. He said the military was good about taking care of the problems and that he would welcome more background checks into Mulims in the Military. He felt the Muslim religion was bieng hijacked by extremists . He was not defending what happened or the man who did it,
"A lot of us work very hard for this country, to make America a better place," said Muqtedar Khan, a progressive Muslim scholar who has just given Congressional testimony on U.S. foreign policy in Afghanistan before Thursday's attack. "And this one nut like Maj. Hasan comes along and in one crazy episode of a few seconds he undermines these years and years of hard work we are doing to make American Muslims part of the mainstream in the community."
This quote is right on target.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33748670/ns/us_news-faith/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33748670/ns/us_news-faith/)
Title: Re: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood
Post by: igahmah at work on November 07, 2009, 08:38:42 PM
I saw the interview with the soldier who said he was harrassed and there was alot more to it. He said the military was good about taking care of the problems and that he would welcome more background checks into Mulims in the Military. He felt the Muslim religion was bieng hijacked by extremists . He was not defending what happened or the man who did it,

The interview I saw was a muslim woman and it said she was a spokesperson for some muslim group.  It was not a soldier.