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Offline matrsnot

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Controlling the Internet
« on: August 28, 2009, 06:40:32 PM »

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Re: Controlling the Internet
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 07:39:32 PM »
Have fun ladies and gentleman.  Now they want to give Obama control of the internet to shut down at his whim.  How Nice.  Change we just can't stand much more of.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/

From the article...
 
"A senate source familiar with the bill likened the new power to take control of the internet to what President Bush did when he grounded all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001, CNET reported".
 
"But Rockefeller, who introduced the bill in April with Bipartisan support, said the legislation was critical to protecting everything from water and electricity to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records".
 
 
Humm, Bipartisan support, doesn't that mean some Repulicans helped?  Repulicans can exercise some type of emergency control but Obama is the boogeyman?  Control or a form of protection?  At least make up your own mind without going on Matrsnot's word.

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 08:06:27 PM »
Giving one man the power to shut down the entire internet is shutting down a primary source of news and communication throughout the country.  He does not need this kind of power, no matter who the president is.  It is control.  Obama, in my opinion is not out to protect us except from ourselves.  That is why Big Brother is slowly taking over corporations, businesses and why he is getting his civiliam security force together to make sure there are no dissidents out here in the country.  Only they know what is best.  You might want to look at some of the "czars" he is surrounding himself with too.  I do not compare the two items you used as one in the same.  Protect us from what?  Instant communication so we cannot know what is happening?  Nope,  I don't trust the government at all.  YOU make up your own mind about what is best for you Racer.  YOUR mind or the government mind?  Read the entire article and stop cherrypicking the parts that suit your agenda.  That of a socialist.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 08:20:07 PM »
Giving one man the power to shut down the entire internet is shutting down a primary source of news and communication throughout the country.  He does not need this kind of power, no matter who the president is.  It is control.  Obama, in my opinion is not out to protect us except from ourselves.  That is why Big Brother is slowly taking over corporations, businesses and why he is getting his civiliam security force together to make sure there are no dissidents out here in the country.  Only they know what is best.  You might want to look at some of the "czars" he is surrounding himself with too.  I do not compare the two items you used as one in the same.  Protect us from what?  Instant communication so we cannot know what is happening?  Nope,  I don't trust the government at all.  YOU make up your own mind about what is best for you Racer.  YOUR mind or the government mind?  Read the entire article and stop cherrypicking the parts that suit your agenda.  That of a socialist.

Wow the name calling begins, me a Socialist, come on Matrsnot your sounding desperate.  I hope you don't depend on the internet for your only source of information.

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2009, 08:23:10 PM »
Nope, but it is one source for instant information.  I have been known to read a book here and there.  Sorry.  I take back the socialist remark. :)

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2009, 08:26:07 PM »
Nope, but it is one source for instant information.  I have been known to read a book here and there.  Sorry.  I take back the socialist remark. :)

Thank you.   ::D:

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2009, 08:29:40 PM »
Can't believe the ACLU isn't standing up for our rights! (sarcasm intended)
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2009, 08:39:31 PM »
I think the internet went down on 9/11.  I can't remember for how long.  We also did perfectly fine before the internet and the news you get can't always be trusted anyway.  The internet was down in the gulf coast states during/after Hurricane Katrina for 2 days...no phone lines.  I couldn't find my husband for 3 days because cell phone towers were down, land lines were down and internet was down.  Sure I was panicking, but I know that in a time of crisis, we will get by and if we have to live without the internet for a few days, we will get by.  The internet doesn't guarantee "instant communication" in all circumstances.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2009, 08:43:36 PM »
People crashed it after 911.  Katrina destroyed lines etc.  Having one person decide to lock it down is another matter altogether.  It could be McCain or anyone else.  Still too much power in the hands of one man or woman in my opinion.  Sure, there are those who can get by on next to nothing.  Most cannot.

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2009, 08:59:36 PM »
heck...my internet goes down everytime it rains..thanks cablemo....besides...I am sure he isnt going to sit in his office flipping it on and off when he is bored..

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2009, 09:51:05 PM »
I went to cnet.com. (The bill is S.773 introduced by Jay Rockefeller D and Olympia Snowe R) They provide an excerpt of the bill for their story. After reading the section they are so concerned with, from what I can tell there has to be an attack on the Federal government critical infrastructure info system or networks. Not a whim. Now if that is true then the government (as bad as I hate to say it) needs to be able shut down private companies. That is where the attacks would come from. A person would start on a public internet site to get to where they needed to go. Of course if there was a cyber attack the damage would already be done, more then likely before they shut it down. This bill like so many others needs work.

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2009, 10:11:39 PM »
This is from the patriot act. bill S.773 is a beefed up version.
SEC. 1016. CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURES PROTECTION.
(a) SHORT TITLE- This section may be cited as the `Critical Infrastructures Protection Act of 2001'.

(b) FINDINGS- Congress makes the following findings:

(1) The information revolution has transformed the conduct of business and the operations of government as well as the infrastructure relied upon for the defense and national security of the United States.
(2) Private business, government, and the national security apparatus increasingly depend on an interdependent network of critical physical and information infrastructures, including telecommunications, energy, financial services, water, and transportation sectors.
(3) A continuous national effort is required to ensure the reliable provision of cyber and physical infrastructure services critical to maintaining the national defense, continuity of government, economic prosperity, and quality of life in the United States.
(4) This national effort requires extensive modeling and analytic capabilities for purposes of evaluating appropriate mechanisms to ensure the stability of these complex and interdependent systems, and to underpin policy recommendations, so as to achieve the continuous viability and adequate protection of the critical infrastructure of the Nation.
(c) POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES- It is the policy of the United States--

(1) that any physical or virtual disruption of the operation of the critical infrastructures of the United States be rare, brief, geographically limited in effect, manageable, and minimally detrimental to the economy, human and government services, and national security of the United States;
(2) that actions necessary to achieve the policy stated in paragraph (1) be carried out in a public-private partnership involving corporate and non-governmental organizations; and
(3) to have in place a comprehensive and effective program to ensure the continuity of essential Federal Government functions under all circumstances.

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2009, 10:09:19 PM »
I'm supprised the patriot act didn't cause this much hair pulling and ranting. It was OK if bush did it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2009, 12:55:38 AM »
Absolutely not Shadylane.  I was against it from it's inception.  Please notice the current regime is doing nothing to get rid of the law either.  In fact, they seem to be expanding upon it.  This is just another small piece in the puzzle so total control can take place.

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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2009, 03:02:41 AM »
they just want to be able to stop cyber attacks ,,,,are you and fish afraid you wont be able to post your lies?   obama gonna cut you off lol

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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2009, 04:14:03 PM »
The only redeeming factor of his cutting off the internet would be to cut off his stooges too.

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2009, 10:31:52 PM »
Who's stooge are you?

The only redeeming factor of his cutting off the internet would be to cut off his stooges too.

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2009, 12:29:03 PM »
I am for nobody.  I am not a stooge for Obama nor for any other party.  They are one in the same to me.  Doesn't matter WHO is in charge, they all have the same agenda.  Power over the citizenry.

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 06:39:41 PM »
Power over the citizenry?

If someone didn't have power over the citizenry... wouldn't we then be ruled by anarchy?

Are you endorsing anarchy?

I am for nobody.  I am not a stooge for Obama nor for any other party.  They are one in the same to me.  Doesn't matter WHO is in charge, they all have the same agenda.  Power over the citizenry.

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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2009, 06:46:13 PM »
I am for nobody.  I am not a stooge for Obama nor for any other party.  They are one in the same to me.  Doesn't matter WHO is in charge, they all have the same agenda.  Power over the citizenry.
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2009, 07:23:49 PM »
I bet I don't.  Not trusting the government is inherent to me.  I believe in the power actually derived from the Constitution with limited Federal Government.  Those rights not established go to the states and the people, not an overbearing government that believes it supercedes all state and common laws and commits murder upon its citizens. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2009, 07:51:11 PM »
The power of the Constitution is derived by those who get to interrupt the Constitution, and unfortunately that isnít us.

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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2009, 08:03:47 PM »
The power of the Constitution is derived by those who get to interrupt the Constitution, and unfortunately that isnít us.
  do you not vote?

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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2009, 08:10:43 PM »
I vote, but all we can do is hope that whoever we vote  for will do what they say they will do. And that the person they pick for the Supreme Court believes as you / I do.

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2009, 10:45:59 PM »
lies critter? prove it

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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2009, 12:54:53 AM »
We wouldn't really be united as a nation if things ran that way... it would be too chaotic to keep track of from state to state.

Should individual states print their own money as they did during the civil war as well?


I bet I don't.  Not trusting the government is inherent to me.  I believe in the power actually derived from the Constitution with limited Federal Government.  Those rights not established go to the states and the people, not an overbearing government that believes it supercedes all state and common laws and commits murder upon its citizens. 

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2009, 01:11:33 AM »
Power over the citizenry?

If someone didn't have power over the citizenry... wouldn't we then be ruled by anarchy?

Are you endorsing anarchy?



I love anarchy. While the king is away the jester sets upon the throne.
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