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nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
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With missile move, Obama hands Russia a gift
Reuters Analysis ^| September 17, 2009 | Steve Holland
 
President Barack Obama essentially handed Russia a gift on Thursday with his decision to roll back a planned U.S. missile defense in eastern Europe. The Russian government had loudly protested U.S. plans begun by Obama's predecessor, Republican George W. Bush, to deploy an anti-missile system in eastern Europe that the United States insisted had been aimed at defending against a potential missile attack from Iran.  Obama's...move drew praise from fellow Democrats and some arms control advocates who saw the Bush plan as aimed at a Iranian missile threat that did not yet exist...   But Republicans and missile-defense advocates called the move misguided and short-sighted and said it could weaken U.S. and European security...  The president has been seeking Russian help in stiffening U.N. sanctions against Iran over a nuclear weapons program Tehran denies having, but so far Moscow has shown no signs of softening its resistance to more sanctions. The administration stressed that its decision was not based on any anticipated concession from Moscow. "This is not about Russia," said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs...   John Bolton, a defense hawk who was Bush's U.N. ambassador, said Obama's decision showed "weakness and naivete. The Russians will pocket this concession and work for more."   There were also questions about U.S. relations with eastern Europe after a period in which the United States led efforts to expand NATO into countries that have looked to Washington to counter Russia's historic influence in the region.   "There will be a certain price to be paid here potentially because it will certainly cause some concerns with the central European allies," said Eric Edelman, who was undersecretary of defense for policy in the Bush administration.  ...
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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 08:51:40 PM »
I agree with the move on this.  He is compromising with Russia for now.  We need Russia on our side. Like it or not.  Next, we are not risking nuclear holocaust for the countries involved and I don't believe even they wanted this defense.  Star Wars defense has been in the planning stage since 1983 and not one thing really accomplished in getting it done.  A waste of money.  That goes for ALL presidents concerned.  Our European "allies" turned on us when the islamic fundamentalists attacked us on 911.  Perhaps we should treat them as cannon fodder and let them defend themselves.  I would like to see all our troops returned from all over the world and placed on the borders with SFAQL orders for all illegally entering this country.  Of course they can leave at will no matter whre on the border they are.

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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 09:08:46 PM »
we have troops around the world to have a fast response in areas that are key US interests. of course if we produced more of our own energy we would not have so many interests. But we are also a defense for many countries that cannot defend themselves.

the missle defense has been tested on the west coast and worked. a deterrent or protection against nkorea.

our borders should be the home for our troops. there are countries that don't want us, just our money. that is where we should pull out first.

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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 10:07:08 PM »
This site did not need to be in Chech or poland. We have a site like this in Alaska, and Japan. Russia even offered us the ability to build in it  Geogia (the country) which will work just as well as in Poland and Chech. Bush was wrong for ruffling feathers over this. Even the NATO commander said this was a good move to stop this.
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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 04:10:27 PM »
As stated above we have been in this program since 1983, and with the exception of the west coast test, it has been like pouring money down a rat hold. I severed in that part of the world for several years, and in my opinion from a military point of view we need Russia. Recalling what Reagan said, trust but verify might be the better option. As far as I know we are still in NATO, and stop and think about this for a second. Going to war in Iraq and Afganstan may have been ill conceived, but as for the other NATO countries how many gave us more than token support other than Great Britian, maybe it's time they cntributed more to their defense. We can't continue to be the world's police force, however in our defense, we still have active treaties throughout the world that we honor. Maybe it is time to relook at these and make some adjustments. I am going to post an article in the near future that show's some of the treaties we are still involved in.

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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 09:22:44 PM »
I am going to post an article in the near future that show's some of the treaties we are still involved in.

Will be watching for that, Bill.
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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2009, 01:00:15 AM »
Star wars is a waist of money. If it was any good we would install it in America. If I were a terrorist, I'd send a nuke via UPS or FedX.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2009, 01:00:22 PM »
it bankrupted russia, that was the plan. It also keeps the enemy in the dark. why does missle defense draw so much attention. why did putin say nobama did a good thing by cancelling it? because the enemy cannot develope their own system and don't want us to be more advanced than they are.

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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2009, 10:36:04 PM »
it bankrupted russia, that was the plan. It also keeps the enemy in the dark. why does missle defense draw so much attention. why did putin say nobama did a good thing by cancelling it? because the enemy cannot develope their own system and don't want us to be more advanced than they are.

And how did star wars bankrupt Russia?
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2009, 11:47:10 PM »
that was part of the military build up RR started. the soviets couldn't keep up. their economy went down the tubes.

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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 12:48:30 AM »
Alfganistan broke Russia. Drug smuggler and gun runner Ronald Raygun took the credit. It has broken us too. We are just living on debt now.
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Re: nobama wants Amerca's allies attacked
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 01:43:41 AM »
that was part of the military build up RR started. the soviets couldn't keep up. their economy went down the tubes.

Your logic must be: We bankrupted the soviets by out spending them militarily and going into debt deeper than they could afford to. This is an interesting concept when used against a country that has more crude oil reserves than we do.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 05:43:33 PM »
Star wars is a waist of money. If it was any good we would install it in America. If I were a terrorist, I'd send a nuke via UPS or FedX.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 06:24:59 PM »
their pipline was in poor shape. the price of oil was far less than it is now. their economy was already in trouble. remeber their military wasn't getting paid?  the tax cuts RR started fuel the economy. he also increased the deficit to rebuild the military. preventing congress from spending on other things.