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Title: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: What_The? on August 29, 2008, 11:41:13 PM
Read this today:
 
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On Tuesday, Aug. 26, 2008, my mother, a 97-year-old, went out onto the carport and the screen door locked behind her. Luckily, she had her portable phone in her pocket.
She called 911 and was told being she did not need an ambulance they turned her over to the sheriff’s department. That dispatcher told her because of possible liability cost, they could not help her. He did nothing, he did not offer to help a 97-year-old woman to try and call a neighbor, extended family, call the Richland police or fire department. he did nothing but nothing.
Over four hours later when I got home and walked over, there she sat. I thank God it wasn’t a 90° day and she did have a water hose out there and lawn chairs while she sat there waiting for help.
What kind of help is there at the sheriff’s department, we wonder?
Her son,
Herman Otto Trower, Jr.
Richland   
     Thoughts?       
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: okie the thread killer on August 29, 2008, 11:58:56 PM
Not enough information to form an opinion. If she had a phone why not call someone else? If she is mentally incapcitated, why was she alone? How much info did she give dispatch? I agree that anyone, whether it be 911 dispatch or sheriff dispatch or any city dispatch should do their best to help a 97 year old, but again, I don't have enough information to form an opinion.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: cowboy on August 30, 2008, 12:37:06 AM
She probably forgot to take a phone book when she went out the door.  There is nothing wrong with her mind just old and can't remember a list of phone numbers.  So someone said if you have trouble call 911 and they will help.  SURPISE!!!!!!..  I'll bet the sheriff department did howerver count this as a call for service so they can keep their numbers up.  What ever the story when you call 911 there is a reason and they should have tried to help.   
 
what was the liability cost to call the Richland police???????
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: okie the thread killer on August 30, 2008, 12:50:32 AM
Oh, I agree, someone should have done something to help her, I just said I didn't have enough information to form an opinion.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Valor7 on August 30, 2008, 01:32:34 AM
My thought is that there is another side to the story and I will try to get it out soon.
JB
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: okie the thread killer on August 30, 2008, 01:34:21 AM
Just as I thought.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: oldcowpoke on August 30, 2008, 01:40:56 AM
If she's inside city limits, why wasn't the call patched through to Richland Police Department? They have a good well-funded operation with plenty of manpower, since the city fathers were smart enough to put it to a vote, and the residents were smart enough to pass their LE tax.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: What_The? on August 30, 2008, 02:12:19 AM
My thought is that there is another side to the story and I will try to get it out soon.
JB

My thoughts exactly.

My other thought is that the DG should spend less time trying to compete with this message board and more time vetting the letters and opinions they publish in their paper.  There is no excuse to publish one side of a story, no matter what section it appears in, without first investigating whether the truth is being told or if a slanted, one sided story is being told.

The old excuse that it is just one person's "opinion" has worn terribly thin with me.  That the DG would print a letter that accuses the SD of nonfeasance is despicable, and on the borderline of libelous.  There are far too many people with an agenda who merely want a public forum to disseminate their lies and half-truths to give them access to what was once considered a institution of the highest integrity and standards. 

During a highly contentious time, when the very safety and security of the people of Pulaski County may ride on the public's perception of the SD, the DG decides its time to paint the SD as responsible for leaving a 97 year old woman to possibly die due to a simple locked screen door.

That this grossly one sided letter was printed says everything I need to know about the journalistic integrity of the DG.  It is far more important to a struggling newspaper to garner hits on their website (see: adding comment features to their site to compete with this board) and subscribers than it is to take the time to discover if what they print is the truth.  And make no mistake, the DG is in a battle for its very life with this board. 

That they would stoop to appealing to the lowest common denominator in this county-the rumor mongers and the gossip spreaders-tells me that they aren't just desperate for survival, it tells me that they are more willing to cater to the basest nature of the people (a la The National Enquirer) than they are about telling the truth and adhering to the highest of journalistic standards.

So, DG, I once again call upon you to rise above the trash that litters the gutters of our county and offfer your readers the highest quality newspaper you can.  That or just trash the whole thing and let anyone write anything about anyone they choose, without ever considering the grievous harm that you may cause to the people of our county.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Valor7 on August 30, 2008, 02:15:17 AM
Editor
Waynesville Daily Guide

I would like to respond to a recent letter to the editor concerning the 97-year-old lady who was locked out of her house. The call was given to the Pulaski County Sheriff’s Department as a person locked out of their house. No mention was made that she was on a cell phone and was outside. The lady never did tell our dispatcher she was outside in the heat. Our dispatcher saw the 765 prefix and assumed she was at a friend’s house and simply wanted help breaking into her home thus the comments about the liability issues and calling the fire department for help. 

If we had known she was outside alone in the heat we would have sent help to her as soon as possible. If needed we would have called out a deputy with a take home car to respond. We are not going to deliberately or indifferently leave a 97-year-old person outside in the heat or cold if we know that is the case.

My dispatcher feels badly about this incident and will be asking many more questions in the future to prevent any more situations like this.

Sincerely,


Sheriff J. B. King
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: okie the thread killer on August 30, 2008, 02:22:40 AM
Thank you Sheriff.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Valor7 on August 30, 2008, 02:33:32 AM
Thank you Sheriff.

    Understand that I am not happy about this but I also understand how it happened. The dispatcher was one of my best and still got bit by a flawed communication.
JB
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 30, 2008, 02:34:16 AM
I don't agree with this statement yet..
 
 
And make no mistake, the DG is in a battle for its very life with this board. 

Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: darrellmaurina on August 30, 2008, 02:35:39 AM
I am not going to take the time to defend my decision to print this letter -- and it was mine -- here in any detail at this time. But before this takes off in an avalanche of attacks based on false or partial information, here are three quick responses:

1. We've printed letters by a local attorney and another local resident that were severely critical of former sheriff J.T. Roberts. If we had not printed this letter attacking the current sheriff, we would have been correctly accused of refusing to let J.B. King's opponents have the same access to our pages that we give his supporters.

2. I am not going to detail now what steps I took to check out this letter. Let's just say they were significant and I expect multiple additional news stories. And this incident may or may not point to more serious failings in the emergency response system. There's more to this story -- a lot more -- and unfortunately, larger papers regularly have to run articles on how people who have been taught to trust a 911 call with their lives have found that personnel or procedures, even with the best intentions, sometimes fail. Small town dispatchers are usually better because they know the area and its people, but what happened with the 97-year-old woman is far too common in larger cities.

3. As for having web comments -- that was **NOT** our decision. It's mandated by corporate people at our head offices of Gatehouse Media who have probably never visited Waynesville or St. Robert, and was certainly **NOT** an attempt to compete with this or any other website. Many other newspaper companies have mandated the same. I couldn't shut off the web comments if I wanted to, and I don't want to -- for whatever reason, our web comments are a lot more active than those of the Springfield News Leader or many other media.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: cowboy on August 30, 2008, 03:19:21 AM
If you have a 765 prefix your at a friends house???  You got to love that one.   If it was 774 what would they assume your in a swimming pool. 

This is as poor an excuse as my dog ate my homework.
 
It sounds like  the dispatcher never ask a single question.
 
And why is breaking into your own home a liability problem?
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: crazy horse on August 30, 2008, 06:06:44 AM
Darrell, was this our 9-1-1? If so, did she request an ambulance? I would like to know if she requested an ambulance.  Thank you
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: darrellmaurina on August 30, 2008, 06:15:14 AM
I'm still working on piecing together the facts, and since 911 records have some exemptions from the Sunshine Law, I am going to have to ask for a waiver of confidentiality from some of those involved, and I'm trying to avoid putting the 911 Board in a difficult situation in the middle of an election year.

However, Gary, your official position gives you greater levels of access and you may be able to get your question answered faster than I can. You have my cell; can you call me over the weekend?

Regards,
DTM


Darrell, was this our 9-1-1? If so, did she request an ambulance? I would like to know if she requested an ambulance.  Thank you
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: crazy horse on August 30, 2008, 07:12:32 AM
I will talk to the director and her and I can listen to the tape. This was the first I heard about it. I will call you this weekend. Thank you Darrell.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on August 30, 2008, 03:57:45 PM
I do not think that this is the case, I believe the DG gets a majority of its traffic form links that are posted on this site.

And I doubt that Rick is considering a print edition od the PCW.

  And make no mistake, the DG is in a battle for its very life with this board. 

Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 30, 2008, 04:20:40 PM
Correct, I do not want to get into a business that is slowly dieing..


And I doubt that Rick is considering a print edition of the PCW.

Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Eeyore on August 31, 2008, 03:33:38 AM
I don't think he wants to stay up all night printing all the pages it would take either --- Hmmmm I wonder just how many pages it would take to print out ALL of PCW!  Sort of like the center of a tootsie pop
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Lepard LLC on August 31, 2008, 04:21:31 AM
Just realised no one gives us credit for being so environmetally friendly.  :wee_fly:  Is this smilie using pot leaves to fly? Adds up..
 
 
I don't think he wants to stay up all night printing all the pages it would take either --- Hmmmm I wonder just how many pages it would take to print out ALL of PCW!  Sort of like the center of a tootsie pop
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: littlebit on August 31, 2008, 05:48:20 AM
Just realised no one gives us credit for being so environmetally friendly.  :wee_fly:  Is this smilie using pot leaves to fly? Adds up..
 


I thought they were feathers at first. lol
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: okie the thread killer on September 02, 2008, 01:04:50 AM
To get back on topic, does anyone know where the breakdown started. CH? You stated you were going to get with Michelle. I know that you can't tell us anything really, but this is a concern for all of us in the county. How explicit do we need to be when calling 911?
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Yankee Trader on September 02, 2008, 02:26:29 AM
Darryl what kind of additional news stories do you expect?
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: crazy horse on September 02, 2008, 04:13:18 AM
Okie, it is our policy that when someone requests an ambulance, they get an ambulance...period. It is NO dispatchers decision to determine if or not. Just send the ambulance. I want to be fair, I do not know if this occurred, but that second paragraph by the lady (...she called 9-1-1 and was told she did not need an ambulance), is what I will ask Michelle to check. Michelle and I can listen to the tape. This must never happen. Again, my main concern is did the 97 year-old lady ask for an ambulance???
   Also, we would have seen to it she was ok and helped her. EMS is not ONLY about ambulance, we check on and help people all the time. We could have got her in a cool ambulance, gave her some water and made sure she is ok while finding family. This is a disgrace and must not happen. We will not tolerate any dispatcher denying someone an ambulance. I do not believe Michelle will either.
Gary
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: okie the thread killer on September 02, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
I don't want to lay any blame here, I was just curious I guess as how it came about. I know how
good your crew is.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Nanna on September 02, 2008, 02:06:20 PM
I would like to respond to a recent letter to the editor concerning the 97-year-old lady who was locked out of her house. The call was given to the Pulaski County Sheriff’s Department as a person locked out of their house. No mention was made that she was on a cell phone and was outside. The lady never did tell our dispatcher she was outside in the heat. Our dispatcher saw the 765 prefix and assumed she was at a friend’s house and simply wanted help breaking into her home thus the comments about the liability issues and calling the fire department for help. 

If we had known she was outside alone in the heat we would have sent help to her as soon as possible. If needed we would have called out a deputy with a take home car to respond. We are not going to deliberately or indifferently leave a 97-year-old person outside in the heat or cold if we know that is the case.


Locked OUT of her house should have been the first clue that she was outside.  I do agree she should call a family member  but I also don't understand that dispatch thought she was at a friends house because of the 765 prefix.  Sometimes it is better not to post anything than to say things like this.
 
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: mandie_81z on September 02, 2008, 02:08:27 PM
It's my understanding as well that it wasn't a cell phone but her cordless house phone. My grandma carries hers around all the time and trust me its saved her many times.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Law101 on September 02, 2008, 02:09:36 PM
I also am concerned about the truth of this story.  I know that Michelle and Gary take their responsibilities very seriously.  911 was recently out in the Big Piney area, using a GPS system to get accurate map locations and roads, to insure that they could route EMS properly to this area.  I know a lot of time, effort, and expense went into this proceedure.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: crazy horse on September 02, 2008, 02:17:56 PM
Nanna, I agree, someone dropped the ball and that must not happen. Some department, fire, EMS or police should have responded and assessed the situation "with eyes on the lady" not a dispatcher by telephone.
 
Thank you Okie & Law101, we do try hard. I know Michelle will be as concerned about this as we are. I will ask her today to listen to the tape. On another note, I have a team deployed to Gustav, they just completed a rescue mission at 4 something this am. I am trying to check on them. Thought & prayers for them is appreciated.
 
Gary
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: cowboy on September 02, 2008, 04:13:02 PM
The call was given to the Pulaski County Sheriff’s Department as a person locked out of their house. No mention was made that she was on a cell phone and was outside. The lady never did tell our dispatcher she was outside in the heat.   

If we had known she was outside alone in the heat we would have sent help to her as soon as possible. If needed we would have called out a deputy with a take home car to respond.
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The call came in that she was outside and everything after that says if you would have known she was outside.   This makes no sense at all if they told you she was outside why you didn't believe them?
 
 
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Nanna on September 02, 2008, 04:56:15 PM
Crazy Horse please don't think I am being critical and disipatch - ems- fire etc as  I respect all of them and the job they do.  I was talking about Mr. King making the statement they thought she was at a friends house and didn't know she was outside of her house.  Locked out of her house means she is outside.  Again, I have a lot of respect for all EMS.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: cowboy on September 02, 2008, 05:42:38 PM
Quote  On Tuesday, Aug. 26, 2008, my mother, a 97-year-old, went out onto the carport and the screen door (duh)locked behind her. Luckily, she had her portable phone (not a cell phone)in her pocket.
She called 911 and was told being she did not need an ambulance they turned her over to the sheriff’s department. That dispatcher told her because of possible liability cost, they could not help her. He did nothing, he did not offer to help a 97-year-old woman to try and call a neighbor, extended family, call the Richland police or fire department. he did nothing but nothing.
Over four hours later when I got home and walked over, there she sat. I thank God it wasn’t a 90° day and she did have a water hose out there and lawn chairs while she sat there waiting for help.
What kind of help is there at the sheriff’s department, we wonder?
Her son,
Herman Otto Trower, Jr.
Richland  
 Does no one think her son should not take some responsibility for this problem?
 leaving a 97 yr.old woman by herself is not very responsible if you ask me.
 And folks it was a screen door, cut the screen DUH!!
 Mr. Trower put a key on a string around her neck with a and a swiss army knife and this will help the next time this happens
  :shame: ^^^%%%           

My be the screen door is actually a storm door with the glass window down --DUH---  so your knife wont work and it has no key --DUH--.  But when all else fails blame the victim.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on September 02, 2008, 05:53:03 PM
And cowboy give back my karma and i'll give back the one i just took from you.
 &^&&(

Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: msheek on September 02, 2008, 06:27:30 PM
Come on, nobody knows what was actually said exactly on the phone.  You can say anything you want, but you don't know what was said by either person on the phone, nor do you know what else was going on in the office when this lady talked to the dispatch, either at 911 or the SD.  I believe if either on of the dispatchers had been told she was outside, NOT just locked out of her house, then they would have gotten her some kind of help.  Just because I say I'm locked out of my house and I am calling you doesn't mean I am in any danger, especially if I am calling you from a residential number and not a cell number.  If you recieve a call from a house phone I would assume that you walked over to a neighbors to use the phone and I am sure that is what the dispatchers did as well
Crazy Horse please don't think I am being critical and disipatch - ems- fire etc as  I respect all of them and the job they do.  I was talking about Mr. King making the statement they thought she was at a friends house and didn't know she was outside of her house.  Locked out of her house means she is outside.  Again, I have a lot of respect for all EMS.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: mandie_81z on September 02, 2008, 06:31:02 PM
I think the point is that people calling 911 need to be aware that they need to be specific but also that the dispatchers need to make sure they are getting all the information. Based on my knowledge of how my grandma carries her phone everywhere, I would assume she was still at home, but someone without that knowledge would assume as msheek does. Both sides need to learn something from this.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: What_The? on September 02, 2008, 06:43:42 PM
Blame game aside, I hope that the 97 year old woman's family has now put measures into place to help prevent this sort of thing from happening
in the future.  She should have other people to contact for non-emergency help, such as a neighbor or friend.

I would say her son, but surely she knows how to contact her son and tried...
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: crazy horse on September 02, 2008, 11:15:51 PM
The lady did not ask for an ambulance, and according to Michelle the 9-1-1 dispatcher asked her if she needed one and the lady said no. It appears the 9-1-1 dispatcher did a very good job and tryed to follow up. 
 
 
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: okie the thread killer on September 03, 2008, 01:52:02 AM
That was the way I understood the letter, that the lady said she did not need an ambulance, but I just wondered.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ~kathy~ on September 03, 2008, 02:20:53 AM
the only question i have is, if she had a phone on her why didnt she just call her son instead of 911?
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: concerned on September 12, 2008, 05:57:32 PM
Sounds to me like 911 should have kept the two good dispatchers that they let go at the beginning of the year.  I just hope that those two really good dispatchers are able to find other work without undue hardships placed on them from unfair practices (politicking and backstabbing) and they get a second chance at a career dispatching.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Eeyore on September 12, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
I have the same question --- Why did she not call her son, or a friend?
the only question i have is, if she had a phone on her why didnt she just call her son instead of 911?
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Just_a_Biker on September 16, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
I have the same question --- Why did she not call her son, or a friend?

Maybe she tried and couldn't get a hold of anyone.  Stop blaming the family; the family ensured she had a phone that she could carry with her WHEREVER she went, so she could call for help if needed.  Sorry, I support LE, EMS, 911, etc., but this was a HUGE ball dropped by more than one person...
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Eeyore on September 16, 2008, 03:41:22 PM
I was not blaming the family at all - Just curious is all.
Maybe she tried and couldn't get a hold of anyone.  Stop blaming the family; the family ensured she had a phone that she could carry with her WHEREVER she went, so she could call for help if needed.  Sorry, I support LE, EMS, 911, etc., but this was a HUGE ball dropped by more than one person...
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Just_a_Biker on September 16, 2008, 04:07:06 PM
I was not blaming the family at all - Just curious is all.

I know I quoted you Eeyore, but my comment was more directed at everyone else that is outright blaming the family; sorry about that.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Eeyore on September 16, 2008, 04:11:22 PM
Not a prob :)  I know that seasoned individuals can be stubborn about calling for help.  For so many years they have learned to do it on their own and taught their children the same thing -- but when they need help. . .   My mother would call my sister at the drop of a hat (30 mins away) and she'd have to call the neighbor or 911 --- but we are working on that.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: MBRwife on September 16, 2008, 08:06:22 PM
I am the supervisor of the daughter in law to this 97 year old woman, so may I interject just a little.  For the most part this woman takes pretty good care of herself.  She is a tad bit forgetful but the family has taken many painful steps to try and make her life as good, convenient, and safe as possible.  One hospital gave this woman one of those blue bag things that they put around your neck when you have a heart monitor on--for her to carry her handle held phone in and the family has instructed her to never go outside without that phone.  This woman did not remember any phone number that day except 911 therefore she couldn't call anyone else.  Yes, the dispatcher dropped the ball on this one.  Anyone  with good sense could tell by her voice she was old, whether she was 97 or 57 isn't the point.  And what does it matter how old or young a person is, if they are locked out of there house something should have been done. More questions should have been asked and a little thought put into what the issue could have been.  But this dispatcher didn't seem to be concerned enough to do anything.  I understand the anger of the family.  They never ask anyone for help caring for 2 elderly people and the first time help is needed we fail them.  So let them be angry; suck it up; admit wrong was wrong, train your staff better and move on.  Let's be adults here people.  It's okay to admit you screwed up.  I get angry reading this crap where people are trying to defend their screw ups.  And just in case anyone is wondering; this woman is ALWAYS given the best care by her family members.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on September 16, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
As if i  am going to believe what you say.
 I'll bet your in St. Louis right now giving Sabrina a massage after a hard day of shopping.
 Did she feed little Maynard before she left? :poke:
 :NANANANA:
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: MBRwife on September 16, 2008, 08:32:05 PM
OMG is that really you?  No I'm not doing Massage anymore; I'm a Realtor/Property Manager and going to college at night.  Massage was just might little break in life.

IS THAT REALLY YOU????
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on September 16, 2008, 08:50:03 PM
OMG is that really you?  No I'm not doing Massage anymore; I'm a Realtor/Property Manager and going to college at night.  Massage was just might little break in life.

IS THAT REALLY YOU? ???
Is that really who?
 If your asking if i am Maynard the answer is NO he passed away a while back but  he left me his play book in his will and asked me to carry on his legacy.
 But before he passed he had seen a VW and all the doors were open on it and it reminded him of you :poke:   :o
 :th_th36_1_15:
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: MBRwife on September 16, 2008, 08:51:47 PM
Is that really who?
 If your asking if i am Maynard the answer is NO he passed away a while back but  he left me his play book in his will and asked me to carry on his legacy.
 But before he passed he had seen a VW and all the doors were open on it and it reminded him of you :poke:   :o
 :th_th36_1_15:

OH crap; I know who you are.  Dang you don't forget anything.  Did he really pass away?
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: MBRwife on September 16, 2008, 08:52:45 PM
OH crap; I know who you are.  Dang you don't forget anything.  Did he really pass away?

And don't you have a real job or something?  LOL
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on September 16, 2008, 08:56:41 PM
And don't you have a real job or something?  LOL
This is my job!! Thank you.
 And i also practice Law in my spare time. :shame:
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: cowboy on September 16, 2008, 10:26:26 PM
Good response.   I'm glad you know B and D and defended their actions.   This woman has lived alone, next door for a long time and I know she is better off there than in a local caring home.

I am the supervisor of the daughter in law to this 97 year old woman, so may I interject just a little.  For the most part this woman takes pretty good care of herself.  She is a tad bit forgetful but the family has taken many painful steps to try and make her life as good, convenient, and safe as possible.  ................................................. ............
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Eeyore on September 16, 2008, 11:18:48 PM
I have no doubt of this - We do the same for my mother.  She now has a necklace with a 'button' on it in case she needs medical help.  Sorta like that "I've fallen and I can't get up " commercial on TV.  Not for being locked out, but if she is in need of an ambulance, one button push will do it.  Still she thinks 2 or 3 times before pushing it -- Does not want to get "those poor amublance fellas" out of bed.  We do the best we can with our parents, but sometimes things just go wrong.
  And just in case anyone is wondering; this woman is ALWAYS given the best care by her family members.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Eeyore on September 16, 2008, 11:20:35 PM
 ((*(*& NO he did not - and if you know who he is, you know that ;)  He is misbehavin though --- making people think he died like that. . .  :shame:
OH crap; I know who you are.  Dang you don't forget anything.  Did he really pass away?
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: crazy horse on September 17, 2008, 05:15:44 AM
Only one person was in error, the sheriff's dispatcher. The dispatcher failed to send someone to check on the lady.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: Lepard LLC on September 17, 2008, 05:17:57 AM
Was the dispatcher also responsible for the content of the information given from the 911 operator?
 
Or did the dispatcher speak directly to the elderly lady?
 
 
Only one person was in error, the sheriff's dispatcher. The dispatcher failed to send someone to check on the lady.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: crazy horse on September 17, 2008, 05:28:10 AM
Doesn't matter Rick, the dispatcher should have sent a deputy to see the woman.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: cowboy on September 17, 2008, 11:17:08 AM
Was the dispatcher also responsible for the content of the information given from the 911 operator?
 
Or did the dispatcher speak directly to the elderly lady?
 
 


According to original post and JB reply #8 she spoke to sheriff dispatcher
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on September 17, 2008, 02:04:48 PM
((*(*& NO he did not - and if you know who he is, you know that ;)  He is misbehavin though --- making people think he died like that. . .  :shame:
I'm sorry mommy i can't hear you I have beans in my ears ((*(*&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZw7lWd1btQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZw7lWd1btQ&feature=related)
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: MBRwife on September 17, 2008, 02:14:09 PM
((*(*& NO he did not - and if you know who he is, you know that ;)  He is misbehavin though --- making people think he died like that. . .  :shame:

Yeah, bet he's lurking around watching us every day isn't he. LOL Oh and JTsunshine--you only know enough to be dangerous. LOL
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on September 17, 2008, 04:02:05 PM
Yeah, bet he's lurking around watching us every day isn't he. LOL Oh and JTsunshine--you only know enough to be dangerous. LOL
Danger is my business >:D
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: MBRwife on September 18, 2008, 01:41:54 AM
Danger is my business >:D

Maynard...come out of the closet already.
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: MBRwife on September 18, 2008, 07:17:10 PM
Oh come on out and play!!!
Title: Re: 911/SD Criticism in DG Letters to the Editor
Post by: ShowmeHillbilly on September 23, 2008, 03:26:25 PM
I love maynard! Even though he scared the crap out of me when i first got on here! If he is JT or the one and only I dont care I love em! and glad he's back! :th_gen129: