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Title: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on March 27, 2007, 07:12:21 PM
Last weeks article in the Daily Guide has prompted me to do some research on the Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board.  For example, who elects the board members?  Are the board members paid or volunteers?  Who regulates & oversees the board?  What is their purpose / mission?  Calling city hall hasn't gotten me anywhere yet, but maybe I'm just not talking to the right folks...
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Glenn/cameraman on March 28, 2007, 02:22:05 AM
The sad part is nobody really knows the answers!!!!   LOL
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: luge on March 28, 2007, 02:44:27 AM
The members of the Abatement Board are appointed by the mayor with council approval.  They are volunteers.  The ordinance allows for citizens to appeal an abatement order by appearing before the Board.  Hope that answers your questions.  I am a council member from Ward 3 in Waynesville.  Thank you for your interest.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on March 28, 2007, 02:56:16 AM
I never knew such a board existed until that scathing article about the 'Citizen of the Year'.  Wow.  Does St. Robert also have such a board?
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: OLDigahmah on March 28, 2007, 02:59:34 AM
I wish SR did have a board like that, they could clean up a bunch of messes.  There are some very unsightly places in SR.  Eastlawn for one.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on March 28, 2007, 03:16:59 AM
Does this Abatement Board deal with businesses as well as personal property? 

I agree - there are several areas that need some major clean up in the St. Robert area.  That's why I was asking. 

Also, I was curious about how people felt about the way they are going about the process.  I am all for an abatement board, but I'm not so sure how necessary it was to go through shaming some one all over the paper for it.  It seems the citizen of the year was an easy target.  "That's right - if we'll go after the Citizen of the Year, EVERYONE is fair game!!!" I get the whole clean up campaign, I just think that had this person not been citizen of the year, we wouldn't have seen such a huge cover story in the paper about it. They are using him as an example.  It just seemed a little overkill to me.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: OLDigahmah on March 28, 2007, 03:19:08 AM
i think if i read it right, they had given him several notices to clean up his property. But you are probably right about the paper giving coverage because he was "citizen of the year."  If it was my yard they probably wouldn't write a story about it.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on March 28, 2007, 03:29:23 AM
I have no doubt he has given them a hard time about it.  I have had dealings with the man myself.  I read somewhere (maybe the comments on the DG article) that some other area has an abatement board, and if their notices are ignored two times, they clean it up themselves and fine the property owner whatever fines they have plus the clean up costs.  That seemed like a good idea. 
Thanks for getting my point!!! 
Abatement = good
Plastering negative campaign against some guy because of who he is = bad
 :{:{:
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: zarkee on March 28, 2007, 09:00:56 AM
Abatement board is used to ensure that the person has been given the opportunity for administrative review of the inspectors actions. The legal folks know it as "due process". The people appearing before the board "asked" for the board to review their case. Most of what is read in the DG is either misquoted or sensationalized, but if there is a shred of accuracy in the article than how can a person appealing their notice to clean up their property argue against actual pictures that were taken of the mess in the first place. The board can overturn the inspector's decision if they find that an error was made. And that may be the case sometimes, but I believe that those that complain the loudest are the ones most guilty of trashing a neighborhood, or those who have not been told to clean up their mess yet.

It should not matter who you are, or whether you live in a neighborhood or own a business. If it is trashing the "hood" or city in any regards than it needs to be cleaned up. As it has been said before by others, this has been allowed to go on for far to long and now some people are getting antsy because the city is starting to take overdue action. A persons property rights do not permit them to have an adverse effect on my property rights by ruining my property value or my neighborhood. What goes on outside the city limits is of no concern to the board of aldermen or mayor, but inside the city is their right to regulate trash properties. The inspector is a coward or unduly influenced by the mayor or aldermen if he does not make businesses clean up their mess as well. If he is selectively doing his job than that is wrong and needs to be dismissed. All the gripping you here about people being made to clean up their junk is because they have made a choice to live like slobs. I live by one who has not been made to clean up his mess yet, but I will be filing a complaint to start the process. Find out where these people live and check it out for your self. I think you would support these people being made to clean up their mess, I would bet that better than 3/4 of the people who live in town would agree with the process. But you would not know that by reading the DG.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on March 28, 2007, 09:43:10 AM
If a trashy site causes a health hazard, or because of it's state, brings in vermin and such is one thing, but I think we are allowing people and government to get into other peoples business too much.  I have always said, Government needs to stop getting into everyday people lives, dictating how we live, what are yards will look like, seat belts, helmets, gun control, and I could go on. Soon this will be a major witch hunt. I don't like him, turn him in for not having a yard as nice as mine. I think Gnomes are stupid, need a ban on having gnomes in your yard. And what about those stupid pink flamingos, and dumb looking deer, they make my property depreciate, need them banned.
One mans trash is another mans treasure. Who gives who the right to say, that yard is acceptable, and this one is not. And, I fall back on my first sentence, if it does not create a health hazard, or because it is infested with vermin therefore possibly causing a heath hazard, I don't thing any one should be throwing the first stone around here.
No, my yard is clean of any junk, My wife is a garden freak, so it is always clean and mowed, and full of color.
My neighbors do not put the same value into yard maintenance.  So what. One neighbor has a couple of cars around his yard that he keeps saying he will fix up, but we all know he never will. So what. The man has worked hard all his life to buy those things and is entitled to keep them in his yard if he wants. If his yard looks trashy in my opinion, so friggin what. Maybe he does not like all the plants and flowers in mine. Come on people, we still live in a free society, and don't need the yard police telling us how to live.
What's next, noise control, all you rednecks with loud pick up, need to get rid of them. Speaking of pickups, they make people with Mercedes and Lexus in their front yard look cheap, everyone needs to get rid of the Pickups and SUVs and buy luxury cars so every ones driveway don't depreciate.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on March 28, 2007, 01:22:58 PM
The City has done a good thing making people clean up their yards if you live in a nice neighborhood and you keep you yard nice and your neighbor has a dump in his yard it makes your yard look bad and makes you mad when you bust your butt and they don't even care. It doesn't matter if they are citizen of the year or a city council member or ex-member. If you want to throw trash everywhere or pile up lumber and junk then move to the country where you have no neighbors and you can look at your junk by yourself. I think the board is doing a GREAT JOB keep up the GOOD work gang! 
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: 02Tundra on March 28, 2007, 01:42:21 PM
It's about time they started taking some kind of action. This has been debated for what, over a year?  The city is attempting to clean up some of the trash around the city and also improve the overall appearance of the city, which is a good thing.  What is the time line for getting the new Waynesville "city hall" cleaned up so they can start doing the needed work to get it updated.  I drove by the place last week and it has been cleaned up a lot since the deal was made, however, looked like there still is a lot of work to accomplish.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: matrsnot on March 28, 2007, 01:59:24 PM
The "city".  Well they sensationalized Joe's little "trial".  Was it unsightly?  How many really know?  Ever drive by the home he lives in?  I am sure that the many people driving by his place on a daily basis see it.  It is a dead end road.  They must have been looking for someone to pick on and found this out of the way home to do it with.  I am not defending Joe necessarily as much as stating the little mini-dictators have tasted power now.  Look out.  Govt is in your business......
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 28, 2007, 02:47:40 PM
Couldn't agree more Taz. That's one reason I live in the county!  I would never live in a city again because it is just that.....one tells on the other and vice versa.  We see it all the time with the exparte procedures.  The thought is you got one on me so I am gonna go get one on you!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on March 28, 2007, 04:14:37 PM
WOWZERS!!  What a varied response...  Well, I for one have to agree with Taz & Yankee Trader; a Government is supposed to REPRESENT the people it governs, NOT repress them!  For those of you who complain about your neighbors yard and tell them to move to the country where they can live like they want; I say YOU move to a GATED community where EVERYONE there agrees to the rules & regulations set forth.  I'm not saying that everything the WNAB is doing is wrong, but I do feel that they are going about it the WRONG WAY.  An article in the newspaper such as was printed borders on DEFAMATION.  How would the city like a defamation suit filed against them?  There are such things as extenuating circumstances, it appears to me that the WNAB is picking & choosing WHO has extenuating circumstances based on WHO the individual is, not on their circumstances.  Why should someone who's on vacation out of state, but has done nothing to comply with the board, receive an extra month to clean up their yard while someone who's having serious medical problems, but doing what they can when they can, be chastised & ridiculed in a public forum?  Yes, I was at PART of the last meeting before leaving in disgust at the manner in which the board conducted themselves; and that was BEFORE the article came out in the DG.

I agree with cleaning up the city and improving things, but there needs to be a system of checks and balances, and oh by the way, some TACT would go a LONG way in gaining the respect of the citizens they are trying to govern...  As for the DG article, from what I witnessed of the meeting there was a bit of sensationalism in the article, and some quotes taken out of context...  Take a look at the addresses of the properties listed in the paper as well, seems they are targeting dead-end streets and quiet neighborhoods, why not concentrate on the "Waynesville Slums"??  I'd also be interested to know if any of the people's neighbors complained, or does the WNAB just drive around town & pick who's houses they don't like???  I'm thinking of getting some pink flamingo's & some plastic deer for my front yard ;)
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on March 28, 2007, 04:18:48 PM
The members of the Abatement Board are appointed by the mayor with council approval.  They are volunteers.  The ordinance allows for citizens to appeal an abatement order by appearing before the Board.  Hope that answers your questions.  I am a council member from Ward 3 in Waynesville.  Thank you for your interest.

Luge, thanks for the response; I would love the opportunity to sit down with you and get a better handle on this situation for my own perspective.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: luge on March 28, 2007, 07:02:07 PM
Biker,  I would be more than happy to meet you at Starbucks and bring you a copy of the ordinance.  I appreciate the interest in this issue.  Luge
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on March 29, 2007, 02:37:46 AM
I still think it needs to be cleaned up and make it look nice if it looks like that on the outside then you know what the inside looks like so put it in a shed so no one has to look at a mess or buy 5 acres and move in the middle of it and if neighbors call and complain then they go and check it out!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on March 29, 2007, 01:42:12 PM
I still think it needs to be cleaned up and make it look nice if it looks like that on the outside then you know what the inside looks like so put it in a shed so no one has to look at a mess or buy 5 acres and move in the middle of it and if neighbors call and complain then they go and check it out!
But who give who the right to say what is unsightly. I hate Pomona (spelling?) trees because they kill all the grass around them, and after they bloom, and the flowers die, they litter the ground with all that mess. So, if you happened to have one of those trees, which I find unsightly, does that give me the right to call the yard police to review your yard, and if they also don't like those trees, so you should cut those down and remove them since other people find them unsightly.
Because that is what you are all saying. I find that junk (you call it that but maybe to another it is not junk) unsightly so that give you the right to call the yard police and tell them to clean it up.
I think people with that ugly blue color houses are unsightly, so, all of them need to be repainted.
Again, if it is not causing any type of health hazard, or vermin issue, who give who the right to say what is unsightly or not. So if it does not look like the cover of Country Homes magazine, it is unsightly?
Get a hobby people instead of worrying about what the neighbors are doing. The more rights you give away, the more freedoms you loose. As soon as all the witch hunting is done for what people consider junky now, then what, do you think it stops there, no, then the yard ornaments come into play. Or maybe too many trees, or too many cars in the yard, junk or not. Maybe your paint on your house is faded, and the neighbors think your faded house is causing their house to depreciate.
Oh god, lets get rid of all those unsightly satellite dishes, you donít see then in Popular Homes Magazine 
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: dawndarwin on March 29, 2007, 02:12:18 PM
I have a question for this self righteous board. How can they see debris in someones back yard? I didn't think anyone could go in your back yard. Isn't that trespassing? After that article who would want to fight them they just try to ruin your name in the community. I know someone who had two cars that didn't have a license on them they were told to put them in the drive way and they did that. Then they got a notice from the board saying they weren't allowed to have them unless they had a garage to put them in. They are fixing these cars up for there children. So I guess if you don't make enough money to have a garage or to buy your children cars that are new and don't need worked on they don't want you in the city limits. I also know someone that had some stuff in their back yard that you can't see any other way but to go into their yard and they got a notice. As far as I am concerned the people on this board have somekind of problem that they need to insult other people an point out their faults in order to hide their own. Here is my advice see a doctor and get some help don't use other people to get over your own personal problems.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 29, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
I must admit this abatement board got me to thinking, and I went down town yesterday and power washed a home I own there. LOL

Boy did it need it.  Waynesville looks better now. I did notice the neighbor down there needs to do the same, their white house looks green.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on March 29, 2007, 02:57:21 PM
I have a question for this self righteous board. How can they see debris in someones back yard? I didn't think anyone could go in your back yard. Isn't that trespassing? After that article who would want to fight them they just try to ruin your name in the community. I know someone who had two cars that didn't have a license on them they were told to put them in the drive way and they did that. Then they got a notice from the board saying they weren't allowed to have them unless they had a garage to put them in. They are fixing these cars up for there children. So I guess if you don't make enough money to have a garage or to buy your children cars that are new and don't need worked on they don't want you in the city limits. I also know someone that had some stuff in their back yard that you can't see any other way but to go into their yard and they got a notice. As far as I am concerned the people on this board have somekind of problem that they need to insult other people an point out their faults in order to hide their own. Here is my advice see a doctor and get some help don't use other people to get over your own personal problems.

Wow.  That is all really bad.  There has to be some kind line drawn.  What you're describing sounds like a gestapo coming in, passing judgment on you, and then advertising it.  You know I hadn't heard of them going into backyards and what not.  And Taz and Biker have nearly swayed me over into changing my position as far as the abatement being good.  So does this board have no guidelines as to what is 'unsitely' and a 'nuisance'?
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on March 29, 2007, 03:11:30 PM
Rick, you better report that house to the city inspector so he/she can earn thier money and protect the value of your property.

I must admit this abatement board got me to thinking, and I went down town yesterday and power washed a home I own there. LOL

Boy did it need it.  Waynesville looks better now. I did notice the neighbor down there needs to do the same, their white house looks green.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 29, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
If a neighbor complained about anothers 'junk' in a fenced back yard I am sure that they would let the 'inspector' in their yard to peek over the fence. Plausable??
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: matrsnot on March 29, 2007, 05:51:14 PM
Staying away Crazy Horse.  I just don't like St. Louis.  Know what I mean?
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on March 29, 2007, 06:27:13 PM
Wow.  That is all really bad.  There has to be some kind line drawn.  What you're describing sounds like a gestapo coming in, passing judgment on you, and then advertising it.  You know I hadn't heard of them going into backyards and what not.  And Taz and Biker have nearly swayed me over into changing my position as far as the abatement being good.  So does this board have no guidelines as to what is 'unsitely' and a 'nuisance'?
Princess, come to the dark side
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Irish on March 29, 2007, 06:29:31 PM
Just remember it was the "newspaper" that decided to put it on the front page, there have been others before the board, but the DG thought it would sell more papers by printing "Citizen of the Year" story.   I am also a Councilman, and will gladly sit down, with the Ord, and talk it over with anyone.  If you have some good ideas on how to fix things, give me a call.

Ed Conley, 3rd Ward
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 29, 2007, 09:01:02 PM
Ed? Are they ticketing for mold on siding?

Just remember it was the "newspaper" that decided to put it on the front page, there have been others before the board, but the DG thought it would sell more papers by printing "Citizen of the Year" story.   I am also a Councilman, and will gladly sit down, with the Ord, and talk it over with anyone.  If you have some good ideas on how to fix things, give me a call.

Ed Conley, 3rd Ward
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Irish on March 29, 2007, 09:07:43 PM
Not as far as I know, are you wanting to get one???   ;D
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on March 29, 2007, 09:12:04 PM
 
Just remember it was the "newspaper" that decided to put it on the front page, there have been others before the board, but the DG thought it would sell more papers by printing "Citizen of the Year" story.   I am also a Councilman, and will gladly sit down, with the Ord, and talk it over with anyone.  If you have some good ideas on how to fix things, give me a call.

Ed Conley, 3rd Ward
Welcome to the fight Ed; I think this forum may have some value added after all.  I would love the opportunity to sit down with you and luge and talk about this; luge already suggested Starbucks, now we just need to decide on a date & time;preferably before Tuesday's elections.
I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but just in case I haven't I'll say it again; I don't think WHAT the board is doing is wrong, I believe HOW they are doing it is WRONG!  I concur with Taz's recommendation regarding what is considered a nucience and what is not, if there is not a health issue there then it's not a nucience.  The city needs to stop enacting rules / regulations to "govern" us based on a few peoples perspectives & opinions.  If the city wants flower beds & rose gardens for everyone thats just not going to happen.  Those communities are PRIVATE communities, not "normal" city residents.  That's why people pay the big bucks to get homes in those private communities, because they have a specific idea of how they want to live & how they expect their neighbors to live.  That's why those private communities have agreements that must be signed before moving in, and that's how they can get away with micro-managing how people live, because they agreed to that way of life BEFORE moving in.

What happened to people policing up their own neighborhoods?  My job requires me to travel often, and if my neighbor sees my grass getting a little too tall he comes over and cuts it for me because he knows I'm on the road.  After the ice storm I went up & down my street for a week with a chain saw cleaning up debris in the yards of my neighbors, because I knew they were elderly and couldn't do it themselves.  I know my neighbors don't appreciate my loud truck or my motorcycle.  How do I know that?  Because THEY TOLD ME, they didn't go running off to someone and crying about it.  AND, because they voiced their concerns I now keep my "noisy vehicles" to a minimum and mitigate the issue as much as possible.  BUT, I can tell you that my neighbors were EXTREMELY GRATEFUL of my noisy truck when I was using it to clean up their yards after the ice storm!!

Princess, come to the dark side
*****
lol... Yes Princesss, WELCOME!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 29, 2007, 09:33:50 PM
Hey Now! LOL

Be careful, some may think you are nuts for saying that.

I think this forum may have some value added after all.  
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Yankee Trader on March 29, 2007, 09:49:32 PM
Well Rick....I think you have your answer regarding this message boards use for the community and now the knowledge that folks are discussing issues with their elected officials on here.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on March 29, 2007, 10:17:40 PM
Well, I already knew they were here, it is just nice to see more speak up.


Well Rick....I think you have your answer regarding this message boards use for the community and now the knowledge that folks are discussing issues with their elected officials on here.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on March 30, 2007, 01:49:39 AM
Thanks for the welcome Taz & Biker...The Darkside isn't looking too bad!
 ;D
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Irish on March 30, 2007, 06:21:59 PM
Monday morning at 10, if that's good with you and Luge..........
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on March 30, 2007, 06:58:37 PM
Monday morning at 10, if that's good with you and Luge..........
Monday at 10 works for me Irish, how about you Luge?

Well, I already knew they were here, it is just nice to see more speak up.
lol... Well, some of us have been "Message Board Voyeurs" for quite some time now, but there comes a time when you must become involved to a certain degree...  If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem!

Thanks for the welcome Taz & Biker...The Darkside isn't looking too bad!
 ;D
lol... Nope, it sure isn't!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: zarkee on April 01, 2007, 01:59:30 PM
Can anyone come and sip coffee and chat, or is this a reelection stunt to defuse the angst of those who have been wronged by the city? I would do this publicly at a town hall meeting with all residents of the city who want to attend. Do not get me wrong on this I favor cleaning up the mess in town, but I believe there may be some problems with the semantics's of the process with over zealous enforcement. I would love to see a public forum at the community center to get all sides of the issue. I would like to see the council/mayor present their personal opinions on the matter and not hide behind the more outspoken ones who seem to do all the ranting. Silence is bliss, but it is also a sign of weakness.

Some very valid points on this thread but the deeper issue may be the handling of the overall process. Running someone up the flagpole because of an unlicensed vehicle being taken out of a garage is BS. Look at the constant barrage of junk heaps on display along Old Route 66. Seems that home owners are easier targets than the stuff downtown. Just-a-Biker seems to support the ordinance, but it sounds like he might have gotten selected in the easier path to make an impression by the city. Granted I do not know all the facts, but a public town hall gripe session may help clear the air on whats going on. Luge does this work into your schedule? You want the downtown area cleaned up, how about it?
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Irish on April 01, 2007, 09:43:18 PM
This was a response to Just a bikers request for a the opportunity to sit down and talk about the problem.  It is not an official meeting of any kind, I am willing to sit down with any citizen and talk about any problem they have, or any solution that they might want to propose. 
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: luge on April 02, 2007, 04:50:35 AM
I would love to meet anyone to discuss the issues.  I am always amazed at the differing views and I do respect them.  I will be at Starbucks at 10:00 Monday morning.  Hopefully, Ed will be there too...We will also be discussing some of the issues raised on this website at our Economic Development meeting on Tuesday evening at 5:00 at City Hall.  We are also concerned about the way the process is being handled.  The intention of the City was not to run rough shod over people but to begin some methodical process to help clean up our City and change the attitude of people who, I believe, infringe on the rights of their neighbors.  Living in a city is much different than living in the countryside.  You have to be mindful of your neighbors and your impact on them.  I also have neighbors, like the Biker; ones who watch out for the neighborhood but some people do not have that luxury.  It has been so interesting reading the thoughts on the website.  I have never replied but have been a lurker for several years.  It if also fun recognizing my old students and appreciating their civic responsibility.  It is the constructive criticism that I take to heart.   There are some who think we council members get paid for what we do, we don't.  Someone even said we probably buy cars with our grant money.  Wow!  If they only knew the time and effort that we all put into this volunteer job.  I am here because I want to make my City a better place to live.  That's how you make change, stepping up with some ideas.  Anyway, I will be a Starbucks in the morning at 10:00....Thanks again for all the constructive ideas.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on April 02, 2007, 09:49:03 AM
Can anyone come and sip coffee and chat, or is this a reelection stunt to defuse the angst of those who have been wronged by the city? I would do this publicly at a town hall meeting with all residents of the city who want to attend. Do not get me wrong on this I favor cleaning up the mess in town, but I believe there may be some problems with the semantics's of the process with over zealous enforcement. I would love to see a public forum at the community center to get all sides of the issue. I would like to see the council/mayor present their personal opinions on the matter and not hide behind the more outspoken ones who seem to do all the ranting. Silence is bliss, but it is also a sign of weakness.

VERY Good Idea Avery!  And I hope you are wrong about the "reelection stunt to defuse the angst of those who have been wronged"...

Some very valid points on this thread but the deeper issue may be the handling of the overall process. Running someone up the flagpole because of an unlicensed vehicle being taken out of a garage is BS. Look at the constant barrage of junk heaps on display along Old Route 66. Seems that home owners are easier targets than the stuff downtown. Just-a-Biker seems to support the ordinance, but it sounds like he might have gotten selected in the easier path to make an impression by the city.
You hit the nail on the head Avery!

As I believe I said earlier, I have never been involved in local politics because it never "concerned" me... BUT, when I do get involved in something I dive in with both feet and see it through until I'm satisfied at its resolution...  I look forward to coffee this morning and welcome ANYONE else that wants to sit & chat to come join us for an informal information sharing exercise :)
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: kbohon on April 03, 2007, 03:40:55 AM
The whole idea of nuisance regulation is that it hurts your neighbors, your neighborhoods, and your tax revenues when property values decline because areas look unappealing. It's not a matter of government simply interfering in individual's lives.

Most nuisance regulations around the country that I have seen don't prevent a person from keeping all the junk they want to - so long as it's behind a fenced area where people don't have to see it, and so long as it's not posing a fire or health hazard.

I think I posted something on another board about how where I am from (Phoenix, AZ) the city tickets people not only for the things left around, but for not tending their yards, not keeping their houses painted and in good repair, etc. They get 30 days to clean it. If they don't clean it, they get a ticket with a fine and another 30 days. If they still don't clean it, the city will do it and charge the resident, with a lien placed on the property like they do with unpaid taxes here.

The people who are here might not like this now, but it will pay off for them later when they sell their house, leave it to the kids, or whatever. The increased property values result in a better tax base and economy for the area. That, along with the fines imposed, can also help with funding things like emergency services, road repair, etc. The end result is more attractiveness to businesses, increased growth, and more economic prosperity overall.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: noseyneighbor on April 03, 2007, 10:58:52 AM
I did not read the article in the (not so daily) Daily Guide.   I wonder how the Chamber Board feels about one of their own (Mr. Goodridge) trashing the Citizen of the Year the Chamber just honored.    Why did the title Citizen of the year have to be printed anyway, was he mentioned by title in the meeting?  This is not the first time the (Not So Daily) Daily Guide has stepped out to defamate someone that was mentioned in a meeting.  My suggestion stop advertsing and subscribing to their trashy gossiping publication for 6 to 9 months and they might go away.. or get a defamation law suit going.   Perhaps the people mentioning these names in these meetings should pay attention to how they address these people also. That publisher (Mr. Goodridge) doesn't care what goes on here he and his family live in Rolla!    Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 03, 2007, 12:32:40 PM
Yes I believe that's how it was said. At least the Daily Guide prints it like it was said don't candy coat it just drive by and look for yourself at the neighborhoods and you will get a good idea. The city of Lebanon has no ord. on burning trash in the back yard or trash in the front yard, so you see a pretty house and then a dump next door just drive through Lebanon behind The Police station in Lebanon and you will see what I mean. Let's keep our City Pretty and be PROUD of our town
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on April 03, 2007, 01:14:21 PM
So wait, Lebanon has no such "Yard Police Ordinance" and yet their property value has not gone through the basement, more big business and factories went these before coming here, All those stores and restaurants that you all want opened up there and not here. There are more civilian jobs there that do not rely on the post there, yet they have a large "Support the Fort" club there, and they also have a large number of military that live there.
So all the reasons that have been given as to what will happen to this community if we don't "clean up our neighbors" did not and has not happened in Lebanon. Lebanon's commercial business is booming, real estate is prospering, their tax issues are not an issue. So, besides you not liking how someones yard looks (if it has no health issues) is the only reason we are running around with this witch hunt.
Maybe, instead of worrying about whose yard does not meet Town and Country magazine, the elected officials of this community worry more about attracting more larger business's here, produce some tax incentives for them to come here, to create more employment that is not reliant on the Fort to survive, more money would come into the community, more jobs, things might take care of themselves.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: kbohon on April 03, 2007, 02:48:39 PM
So wait, Lebanon has no such "Yard Police Ordinance" and yet their property value has not gone through the basement, more big business and factories went these before coming here, All those stores and restaurants that you all want opened up there and not here. There are more civilian jobs there that do not rely on the post there, yet they have a large "Support the Fort" club there, and they also have a large number of military that live there.
So all the reasons that have been given as to what will happen to this community if we don't "clean up our neighbors" did not and has not happened in Lebanon. Lebanon's commercial business is booming, real estate is prospering, their tax issues are not an issue. So, besides you not liking how someones yard looks (if it has no health issues) is the only reason we are running around with this witch hunt.
Maybe, instead of worrying about whose yard does not meet Town and Country magazine, the elected officials of this community worry more about attracting more larger business's here, produce some tax incentives for them to come here, to create more employment that is not reliant on the Fort to survive, more money would come into the community, more jobs, things might take care of themselves.

Tax incentives are part of it. Also the fact that most national corporations consider FLW to be "temporary" residents means they don't count the population of the post as part of the market potential here.

All of these things matter when it comes to developing the area, and just because one thing is missing doesn't mean that the others aren't also needed.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: matrsnot on April 03, 2007, 05:45:14 PM
The Nuisances Committee is a subjective opinion.  Again, they are going at dead end roads for some of these people and I suspect they are picking out some that will make the news so they can justify their new appointments.  They come out to my place and tell me I have to move my 19' van and we may have some words.  Heated words and they will be kicked off the property.....if they get on to start with. Now I am in no danger of this happening as I live in the county and am not subject to the little tyrants.  If they ever get that far, then I will call 911 with a trespass ememrgency to handle.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: zarkee on April 04, 2007, 10:50:36 AM
Awfully quite from the folks who got together to chat over coffee. How did it go. It amazes me how folk who do not live in the city limits have all the insight into the affairs of city committee's. I also hear alot about how county folks do not want big brother coming near their homestead, but will raise holy cow at the county commissioners not protecting them from rabid developer's who should be held to some sort of regulation to protect them.

My opinion is unless we are the ones sitting on the inside and know the facts of each and every case presented, than we are a part of the problem with providing conjecture, rumors and ill-informed banter. Relying on Darryll (sp) at the Daily Guide to be accurate is nothing short of ludicrous. County living is country living, and should never be regulated (unless you feel like those mentioned previously). City living is a completely different circumstance, and the city relies heavily on growth and revenue. If a community is turned into a trash heap, it is just that. If measures are taken to ensure the health and safety of the community are a priority, you then have a livable community that will attract growth in business and residential development. Do not make a community run down like the inner-city of the larger city's. Keep your junk, just keep it out of harms way.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 04, 2007, 10:58:06 AM
Amen on the way they look at Ft Wood residents they don't count the Post when they survey the Jobs around here Wal Mart doesn't count the jobs on post when they look at the wages of their employees so they pay more in Rolla and Lebanon.  I just want my neighbors to get off their A-- and mow their yard they don't have to remodel if I can use a weedeater  and I'm 20 yrs older than both my neighbors then I'm sure they can get off their cans and mow also or get their wife to help or do they like living in a pig sty that's not asking too much I wasn't raised to live in a messy environment and if they are too lazy then ask for help there's help for people who need it
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: luge on April 04, 2007, 01:17:57 PM
We did meet at Starbuck's Monday and I just have not had the time to sit and write a response.  I was hoping that Biker would give his opinion.  We had a good discussion about the process.  The City has a good ordinance and like any new idea, there are a few things to be ironed out.  At our Economic Development meeting last night, we discussed some of the concerns that have been aired by citizens of Waynesville.  Most all the responses I have gotten have been favorable toward our efforts and I beleive, my re-election last night confirmed the desire of my Ward for the Council to continue our efforts to clean up our town.  As a committee we determined that the priorities for the nuisance ordinance should be 1. the health and welfare of our citizens and 2.  the businesses along Route 66, as they hinder economic development.  Those will be the focus of the City and then, let the process work, as neighbors begin to work with each other to correct specific things in their neighborhoods.  In fact, at the Starbuck's meeting a citizen came in and asked how to go about beginning the process.

    The people who met at Starbuck's all agreed that the intention of the ordinance is good.  The process is being perceived as too aggressive by some.  But the City is dedicated to being fair in their enforcement.  That is all I can say to allay some of the fears of people. Some people are saying some things that are not true and not being constructive in anyway.  Like Avery, our overriding concern is protecting property rights and property values of our neighborhoods in Waynesville.  Neglect and non-enforcement of existing ordinances was allowed for so long that it will take an complete change of attitude for some people in our community. 

    Hope this helps and I pledge myself to being fair and open-minded.   Biker, Avery and several others,  I appreciate your comments; as they are constructive.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on April 04, 2007, 01:54:06 PM
Congratulations on your election win yesterday Luge.

We did meet at Starbuck's Monday and I just have not had the time to sit and write a response.  I was hoping that Biker would give his opinion.  We had a good discussion about the process.  The City has a good ordinance and like any new idea, there are a few things to be ironed out.  At our Economic Development meeting last night, we discussed some of the concerns that have been aired by citizens of Waynesville.  Most all the responses I have gotten have been favorable toward our efforts and I beleive, my re-election last night confirmed the desire of my Ward for the Council to continue our efforts to clean up our town.  As a committee we determined that the priorities for the nuisance ordinance should be 1. the health and welfare of our citizens and 2.  the businesses along Route 66, as they hinder economic development.  Those will be the focus of the City and then, let the process work, as neighbors begin to work with each other to correct specific things in their neighborhoods.  In fact, at the Starbuck's meeting a citizen came in and asked how to go about beginning the process.

    The people who met at Starbuck's all agreed that the intention of the ordinance is good.  The process is being perceived as too aggressive by some.  But the City is dedicated to being fair in their enforcement.  That is all I can say to allay some of the fears of people. Some people are saying some things that are not true and not being constructive in anyway.  Like Avery, our overriding concern is protecting property rights and property values of our neighborhoods in Waynesville.  Neglect and non-enforcement of existing ordinances was allowed for so long that it will take an complete change of attitude for some people in our community. 

    Hope this helps and I pledge myself to being fair and open-minded.   Biker, Avery and several others,  I appreciate your comments; as they are constructive.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on April 04, 2007, 02:03:57 PM
I might add that St. Robert has been doing this for a while with not near as much controversy.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: kbohon on April 04, 2007, 02:29:09 PM
I might add that St. Robert has been doing this for a while with not near as much controversy.

They have? There's a lot of work still to be done.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on April 04, 2007, 05:04:24 PM
Sorry for not posting a quicker response regarding our meeting at Starbucks.  I had intended on posting a reply as soon as we finished up, but unfortunately my schedule hasn't permitted me to do so before now.  I'd like to start out by thanking Luge & Irish for meeting with me on Monday, in my opinion THAT is what small town government is all about!

So, with that being said, lets get to the meat & potatoes of the issue.  Luge provided me a copy of the ordnance, which I've read in detail since then.  The ordnance is written (in my opinion) very well, I would make a couple of minor changes personally, but overall it's very good.  Luge & Irish both expressed their concern about the ENFORCEMENT practices of the ordnance before we even got started talking; I have to agree with them, the ordnance is not the problem, it's the WAY the WNAB is going about its identification & enforcement.  The citizen that Luge mentioned came in during our meeting brought pictures of her neighbors yards, which was EXACTLY what the ordnance was designed to prevent.  Appliances & furniture overgrown with weeds stacked up against the side of the house, if you ask me that IS a health issue and SHOULD be addressed by the WNAB (EXACTLY what Taz has been saying should be the focus of the ordnance).  The meeting was very informative and extremely helpful from a citizen's viewpoint.  I was provided with background on how the ordnance was drafted, how the members are appointed and most importantly, what the INTENT of the ordnance was when the city council drafted it.

With all that being said, I'm still not happy with the WNAB.  The ordnance itself is good in my opinion, but the WNAB needs to check themselves with regard to how they are conducting business.  For those of you who haven't figured it out yet, I am the citizen with the unregistered Jeep in my driveway.  I started this thread WITHOUT coming out & saying who I was because I wanted to see objective opinions on both sides of the issue before moving forward.  Now I will say this, I'm not the best neighbor, and my house surely isn't going to make it into Better Homes & Gardens Magazine.  After receiving the original notice (which was for an un-registered Chevy vehicle) I looked over my property and made some changes.  I ignored the first notice because I do not own a Chevy and the Jeep was parked inside the garage at the time, so I assumed that the notice was sent to the wrong address.  I received a 2nd notice to appear before the board to resolve the issue of my unregistered CHEVY, so I went to the meeting.  When it was my turn to present my case it was simple, I told them I didn't own a Chevy.  That was when the WNAB informed me that they were mistaken and were in fact talking about my DODGE pickup, to which I showed them the registration and proof of insurance.  Once I showed compliance I was given the 3rd degree about how long it had been registered (since I moved here in 1999) and why it was "HIDDEN" in the back yard if it was legal (Because it's an UGLY truck and I know that!).  It was ONLY after I answered each of the WNAB's questions with responses that they could not find fault with that the Jeep was brought up...  THAT folks, is when I became infuriated and felt like I was being singled out and attacked in a public forrum.  It appeared to me that the WNAB "had" to find something wrong at that point, why I have NO IDEA, but I'm telling you that was how I felt as a citizen "appearing" before this board.  To recap, 1) I recieved a written notice in the mail with incorrect information, 2) I received a 2nd notice in the mail directing me to appear before the board, STILL with incorrect information, 3) once I appeared before the board they gave me the 3rd degree and the appearance that I was being dishonest and/or "sneaky", 4) only AFTER the board could find nothing further wrong with my original "nuisance" did they bring up something else, 5) the board (overall) lacks tact, discretion, vision and focus.

I will say that there are other things around my property that could have been identified by the WNAB inspector (leaves, branches, tires), but they were not.  Going back to the original intent of the ordnance, those other things pose a MUCH greater "Health Risk" than an un-registered vehicle does... Which leads me back to the question of HOW does the board determine what is a nuisance and what is not?    I stand by my statement that the INTENT of the ordnance is right and just, however the members of the WNAB, or how they conduct themselves NEEDS to be governed just a bit closer by our elected officials.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: ghost_of_notsniw on April 04, 2007, 05:33:49 PM
Ahhhh power.

Laws and codes are only as good as the people willing to enforce them.

Sometimes when people get into a position of power, they do everything they can to justify their position, and that can often lead to a lot of clashes.

Since the nuisance board is relatively new, there are going to be a ton of growing pains and a lot of give and take. 

The line delineating the people's right to privacy and the neighborhood's right to ....high property values (new one to me, must have been slipped into the Constitution when nobody was looking) hasn't been drawn in the sand yet.  When it is established just what should be done, to whom and by whom, the board will become background noise.

Until then, both the town and board will go through a lot of growing pains.
 
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: dawndarwin on April 04, 2007, 10:42:13 PM
my biggest issues that I wish someone could answer is 1) how can they see in a fenced back yard that has neighbors that are also fenced and nothing but a ditch behind it and 2)how are people suppose to fix up a car for a child if you can't have an unregistered car in your driveway that is also fenced. 3)how do they choose who will recieve the notice and why do some people have cars in their yard that have been their for yearsssss and nothing has been done.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: matrsnot on April 05, 2007, 10:07:00 AM
Ok, now look at it from the perspective of the Nuisances.  They have power now and they are gong to exert it and do it as publicly as possible.  It is an intimidation factor.  Just a Biker was "summoned" to the presence and they could not let it go when they found out they were flat out wrong.  It is human nature to defend yourself and the "board" was wrong.  They just had to find something to bitch about in order to cover their tracks.  My days of being inspected are behind me and have been since I left the military.  A good question was posed.  If the yard is fenced in, then how did the "board" get in to look?  Did they trespass or are they now above the law too?  I believe they need an attitude adjustment.  Thank God I live in the County.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 05, 2007, 01:04:45 PM
All it takes is for a neighbor to get fed up and go to the city and sign a abatement form and then you have them come and walk in your back yard and let them look for their selves I would be more than happy to let them come and look in my backyard on both sides of me and all it boils down to is just plain ole LAZY people not mowing or picking up there trash, and your right if you don't want to live in the city move to the country where your the only one who has to look at  like you want to live either clean or in a PIG pin.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on April 05, 2007, 01:13:56 PM
Luge & Biker - Thank you so much for your informative posts on this discussion.  I guess I am still at my original opinion on this -
"Abatement = good
Plastering negative campaign against some guy because of who he is = bad"
Hopefully someone from the WNAB will learn from the controversy caused by this last incident and work out the kinks where this ordinance can be used as it was meant to be used: As a means of protecting the health and welfare of the community and to promote growth - not to wield it around like you have the Power of Greyskull.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: matrsnot on April 05, 2007, 03:29:56 PM
Just to reassure.  I keep my grass cut and the area clean.  Not that it affects anyone here, but I am not defensive about it.  Just fed up with little tyrants.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on April 05, 2007, 04:22:17 PM
my biggest issues that I wish someone could answer is 2)how are people suppose to fix up a car for a child if you can't have an unregistered car in your driveway that is also fenced. 3)how do they choose who will recieve the notice and why do some people have cars in their yard that have been their for yearsssss and nothing has been done.

Dawn, you are absolutely correct, however I believe Luge & Irish when they said they would address the issue and ensure the ordnance was being enforced in the manner in which it was intended to be.  Trix is exactly right, if a neighbor files a complaint then the WNAB should investigate, but not go out "looking" for unregistered vehicles.  Now, if that vehicle is up on blocks with weeds taller than the car and has squirrels & chipmunks taking drivers ed inside, that's when I'd see an issue.  A vehicle being restored, fixed, etc. that's still in good working order with NO HEALTH ISSUES associated with it should be left alone... (my opinion again)
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Coyote on April 05, 2007, 06:40:17 PM
I live "out in the country" and there is one little stretch of road where this whole family lives.  It goes...house, trailor, house, trailor, burned up trailor, falling down shed, house.  It's the biggest mess I've seen in my LIFE.  About 10-15 tore up riding and push mowers and parts laying all over, tires strewn out, old, dirty, fisher price toys, play house laying on it's side, trikes, tilted trampoline etc. trampled down chicken wire fence, weeds growing between the junk, dog tied with a rope to some big metal thing by a junk car so he can get under it in the shade....just horrible.  Sure I'd like not to have to see it when I drive by and if I was the next door neighbor and something like that cropped up...you bet we'd go to town over it.  No one should have to live next to crap like that.  Other people have rights too and not have to wait until vermin is spotted.  People who can live in a mess like that have mental problems.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: dawndarwin on April 05, 2007, 10:45:06 PM
All it takes is for a neighbor to get fed up and go to the city and sign a abatement form and then you have them come and walk in your back yard and let them look for their selves I would be more than happy to let them come and look in my backyard on both sides of me and all it boils down to is just plain ole LAZY people not mowing or picking up there trash, and your right if you don't want to live in the city move to the country where your the only one who has to look at  like you want to live either clean or in a PIG pin.
I would like to start by saying what I was refering to is some friends of mine not me. I think we need to remember their are some people who don't make very much money so to pay for an over priced house in waynesville they have to work long hours or have two jobs. People that have these issues don't have enough time to spend with their familys much less enough time to make sure they are out every night cleaning their yard. Maybe we should remember that some people are less fortunate that others before we start calling someone a pig for not cleaning their yard. Should they not be able to live in waynesville because they don't fall in a certain income bracket. Lets just make all those people live in the country. Maybe we should all count are blessing and not be so judgemental of our neighbors. I don't hardly think that it makes you a better person to have a clean yard or a bad person to have a "pig pin" for a yard. I don't think you can judge a person by their yard.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: kbohon on April 06, 2007, 03:52:51 AM
I would like to start by saying what I was refering to is some friends of mine not me. I think we need to remember their are some people who don't make very much money so to pay for an over priced house in waynesville they have to work long hours or have two jobs. People that have these issues don't have enough time to spend with their familys much less enough time to make sure they are out every night cleaning their yard. Maybe we should remember that some people are less fortunate that others before we start calling someone a pig for not cleaning their yard. Should they not be able to live in waynesville because they don't fall in a certain income bracket. Lets just make all those people live in the country. Maybe we should all count are blessing and not be so judgemental of our neighbors. I don't hardly think that it makes you a better person to have a clean yard or a bad person to have a "pig pin" for a yard. I don't think you can judge a person by their yard.

I'm not into the name-calling, but if they don't have time to clean it, at least to a minimum standard, then how do they have time to make such HUGE messes?

I'm not a stickler about stuff, and I work long hours. I'm fortunate to be able to pay someone to take care of my yard since I don't have time. But if I didn't have the money, I'd sure be looking to barter with friends - something I have or can do for them in exchange for helping me out, too.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: dawndarwin on April 06, 2007, 12:35:31 PM
I am sure the ice storm helped to make the mess and wind also helps alot. I am just saying a messy yard does not equal laziness. That is like someone saying if you have a perfect yard you have something to hide. If your main priorty in life is having a perfectly manicured yard and wanting every one else to be like that move to a gated community. In a regular community we have all diffrent kinds of people with diffrent ideas. That is democracy and that is wonderful. I don't want to live somewhere that everyone is a carbon copy and have carbon copy houses. The last I check we all lived in United States of America and we all are entitled to have our own opinon and live the way we want to live. If you don't like your neighbors back yard put a privacy fence then you don't have to see it don't look out the window every day to see what has been added to the mess. People have faults and short commings and if we were all alot more tolerant it sure would be a happier place to live.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on April 06, 2007, 01:38:40 PM
Dawn - I agree with what your saying, and I think to some extent everyone here does.  From what Luge and Biker described, the abatement board's purpose is supposed to be health and welfare of the community - so if someone's FRONT yard which is open for everyone to see is not only messy, but messy to the extent of posing a danger to the health and welfare of the community, then the abatement board will act according to the ordinance. 

The article in the Daily Guide has left a bad taste in our mouths as to the way that the abatement board is choosing to handle complaints.  I don't know if the whole 'scare tactic' article was the idea of the abatement board or the Daily Guide, but it backfired.  Yes, the community is now aware of the existence of the board, and although it's function was meant to serve a good purpose, we all feel extremely negative about it.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Coyote on April 06, 2007, 02:24:52 PM
I say...yes you CAN judge a person by their yard. 

I would like to start by saying what I was refering to is some friends of mine not me. I think we need to remember their are some people who don't make very much money so to pay for an over priced house in waynesville they have to work long hours or have two jobs. People that have these issues don't have enough time to spend with their familys much less enough time to make sure they are out every night cleaning their yard. Maybe we should remember that some people are less fortunate that others before we start calling someone a pig for not cleaning their yard. Should they not be able to live in waynesville because they don't fall in a certain income bracket. Lets just make all those people live in the country. Maybe we should all count are blessing and not be so judgemental of our neighbors. I don't hardly think that it makes you a better person to have a clean yard or a bad person to have a "pig pin" for a yard. I don't think you can judge a person by their yard.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on April 06, 2007, 03:12:57 PM
Agree.


I say...yes you CAN judge a person by their yard. 

Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: zarkee on April 06, 2007, 11:07:20 PM
I'll try and break this down based on what I was shown on paper (ordinance) and what was explained to me by my Aldermen:

1.  The city building inspector enforces/administers the ordinance, and
2.  The city building inspector inspects the city for violations, and
3.  The city building inspector determines what is in violation (interprets/misinterprets), and
4.  The city building inspector issues the ABATEMENT NOTICE to the property owner, and
5.  The city building inspector prepares the packages for the WNAB when appeals are filed, and
6.  The property owner willingly REQUESTS the hearing before the WNAB, and
7.  The WNAB reviews the packets submitted by the building inspector and hears the owners side, and
8.  The WNAB determines if the violation is valid or invalid based on the facts, and
9.  If there is an error the fault is on the BUILDING INSPECTOR, not the WNAB.

Bottom line is, if the inspector is not following the ordinance, misinterpreting the ordinance, picking and choosing who gets cited and who does not, then the inspector is not doing his job properly and the Mayor and Council are accountable for the problem he creates. The WNAB is NOT the problem, the root problem is the inspector. I know because my cousin was cited by the inspector who misinterpreted the ordinance. I still say it is a good ordinance and needs to be enforced, but the problem with the process is becoming more apparent to be the building inspector not knowing his job. Has he gone after the vending machines or the business's in and around town, or are unlicensed vehicles an easier target. What say you Irish, Luge, Mayor?
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Irish on April 07, 2007, 01:41:45 AM
The short answer is yes, there have been a lot of other violators.  Most, not all, have cleaned up their act.  Some have sought legal counsel, some have been in front of the abatement board and have been their varying amounts of time to comply.  It is a long list, you can't undo years of neglect overnight.  The system is not perfect, but we are working on it.  PS:  Don't believe everything you read in the Guide.  Actually it is becoming more and more like a paper that was published in Europe, the Overseas Weekly, known for garish headlines, and not a lot of substance. IMHO
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 08, 2007, 01:25:34 AM
Seems someone thinks I called them a PIG that's wrong it was called they live in a PIG PIN and these folks have 3 weedeaters and a lawnmower so what's the ptoblem now. 
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: love2bowl on April 08, 2007, 06:27:55 AM
I have posted my opinion on this in other threads and I have just been reading this thread waiting to see other peoples opinions on this topic.  I don't care who is doing the inspections or doing the meetings what I do care about is there are people who are infringing on other peoples rights and freedom.  I believe grass should be cut and weeds cut down and garbage cleaned up.  What I don't agree with is the Abatement board saying that because someone has a car in their driveway they are working on is a nuisance.  Even the police department said as long as it was in the driveway that it was fine, just could NOT be parked on the road.  There are really truely some people who believe their children should learn to work and earn the right to have a car to drive rather than Mommy and Daddy going out to buy them their new car.  That is their right.  That car was in their driveway in a fenced yard up on jack stands.  Sorry if someone found that unsightly but who is he or anyone else to judge.  Was there weeds NO neither was there grass because this family seems to be the lucky chosen family that everyone in the neighborhood sends their kids to play so they can have their pretty green grass.  These people do more volunteer work with children than most of us could not beat.  I guess they must not be too bad if everyone in the neighborhood allows their children there constantly and even when they haven't been invited.  Do they go home when it is time to eat NO she ends up feeding all of them.  Do their parents know this?  Since their children haven't been home all day to eat I would imagine they have a fair idea they have eaten.  So if limbs in their backyard or cars in their driveway makes them PIGS or SLOBS or LAZY then I only hope someday I can be as kind and considerate as I know these people are.  We would all be better off if a few people worried more what their kids in their new cars were doing and a whole lot less what their neighbors are or are not doing.  One mans trash is another mans treasure and as long as it is not garbage, long grass or weeds people please mind your own business and allow people to live their lives.  What a wonderful world that would be!!!!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: tpgunbiz on April 27, 2007, 01:59:14 AM
See I believe strongly that if I buy a piece of property with my money then its mine to do with what I want. Now My yard stays pretty nice. I mow it and clean it pretty regular because Its what I like to do with it. I could give a rats ass on what my neighbor thinks of it or what he does with his property. One of my neighbors has junk all over their yard and there house is made up of a mobile home that has been crudely added on to over time. I dont care...Its not my property. If any government city or bigger thought they had a say in what I do with my property then they can pay my mortgage.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 27, 2007, 02:18:44 AM
You must not live in the city because there's not a lot of trailers inthe city thank goodness
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on April 27, 2007, 02:25:53 AM
I certainly hope that you never have hard times fall upon you that you are forced for economic reasons to have to live in a mobile home, so that others ,like yourself right now, that think they are better than those that live in one, don't look down on you the way you apparently look at them now.

Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: dawndarwin on April 27, 2007, 02:43:08 AM
very well said taz.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Coyote on April 27, 2007, 06:26:49 PM
That isn't true at all!  I've seen many many mobile homes and the majority are nice and tidy..most of them are.  But when people don't skirt them, don't mow the yard around them, don't even try to made them look decent with a little deck instead of wobbly metal stairs, leave crap laying all over the yard, that's where mobile homes get a bad rep.  Not from the good neighbors who care about how their home reflects on them.

I certainly hope that you never have hard times fall upon you that you are forced for economic reasons to have to live in a mobile home, so that others ,like yourself right now, that think they are better than those that live in one, don't look down on you the way you apparently look at them now.


Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 29, 2007, 02:32:54 AM
No Taz thats not what I mean and yes I have lived ina trailer years ago it's just the City doesn't have but 1 Trailer Court which is Mrs Tagges and she doesn't allow trsh laying around or tall grass I know of no other trailers in the city!!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on April 29, 2007, 08:44:49 PM
I live in a mobile home.  My family keeps it tidy inside and out.  It doesn't matter.  There is stigma.  My son is teased at school because we live in a mobile home.  It makes me sad.  We have a pretty good life, two steady incomes, a couple of decent vehicles and do fun stuff from time to time.  We simply can't afford the rent or mortgage in this area to live in a newer, bigger home.  It's enough for us for now.  We plan on paying the mobile home off, buying land - paying that off and building our own home, but that takes time.  Until then, we are happy to have a roof over our heads.  But my son has more than once been taunted by other kids at school and treated as less of a person because we live in a mobile home.  Why is this????
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: littlebit on April 29, 2007, 09:23:59 PM
I live in a mobile home.  My family keeps it tidy inside and out.  It doesn't matter.  There is stigma.  My son is teased at school because we live in a mobile home.  It makes me sad.  We have a pretty good life, two steady incomes, a couple of decent vehicles and do fun stuff from time to time.  We simply can't afford the rent or mortgage in this area to live in a newer, bigger home.  It's enough for us for now.  We plan on paying the mobile home off, buying land - paying that off and building our own home, but that takes time.  Until then, we are happy to have a roof over our heads.  But my son has more than once been taunted by other kids at school and treated as less of a person because we live in a mobile home.  Why is this????


The stigma you speak of is the trailer trash syndrome.

When we lived in a mobile home years ago, my coworkers would make snyde comments.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Princess_KA on April 30, 2007, 02:13:53 AM
It's just awful.  Anyway, that was completely off the subject and I apologize for posting it here.  I just kind of was hurt by the "thank goodness there's not a lot of trailers within city limits" comment.  Not everyone who lives in a trailer is trash, and not everyone who lives in a house is above us. 
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 30, 2007, 02:28:07 AM
There's nothing wrong with a trailer what's wrong in my book is not cleaning up your yard and having couchs and crap laying around outside and just mow your yard and try to keep it neat but people can't do that so now they have a abatement board to try to clean it up so the city looks nice
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: littlebit on April 30, 2007, 03:47:04 AM
It's just awful.  Anyway, that was completely off the subject and I apologize for posting it here.  I just kind of was hurt by the "thank goodness there's not a lot of trailers within city limits" comment.  Not everyone who lives in a trailer is trash, and not everyone who lives in a house is above us. 

I have seen houses with 2 washing machines, 3 dryers, Rusted bicycles, non running mowers,
cars that have not moved in years, and miscellaneous junk in their yard.

You do not have to live in a trailer to be trash, and just because you do does not automatically make you so.

Narrow minded people just do not know better.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on April 30, 2007, 12:44:42 PM
Amen on what you said...
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Racer on May 01, 2007, 04:27:02 AM
I love to travel and the North East is beautiful.  Old building and old towns full of life.  Very little junk in yards even though homes are old and no evidence of a lot of money.  I think a generation left their pride when they crossed the Mississippi River.  Clean up your yard and have some pride.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Coyote on May 01, 2007, 12:50:20 PM
That's right.  So instead of being ashamed about how they have let their yard become such an embarrassment to the community and have to be told to clean it up, some get up on their high horse and yack that it's a free country and they can live how they want to live.  I don't get it.

There's nothing wrong with a trailer what's wrong in my book is not cleaning up your yard and having couchs and crap laying around outside and just mow your yard and try to keep it neat but people can't do that so now they have a abatement board to try to clean it up so the city looks nice
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on May 02, 2007, 07:08:13 PM
Ok, here's another question on the topic...  How long should one be allowed to accumulate "stuff" on their property before it becomes a nuisance?  I started remodeling 2 of my bathrooms on Monday and have a lot of debris in front of my house right now.  The building inspector came by today and said I have to have it cleaned up by tomorrow...  Does this seem a little extreme to anyone else, or am I just "on my high horse" again???
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Coyote on May 02, 2007, 07:52:17 PM
Ok, now I agree that's wrong.  You obviously have a project going on.  Someone is taking their position a tad bit too far.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on May 03, 2007, 01:07:46 PM
The Yard police strike again. Were they wearing high black boots and walking with a goose step?I think this is utter BS. Looks to me they have a vendetta out against you.
Are you trying to tell me every build project in Waynesville is kept clean with no building material laying around? And my guess is, one of your neighbors is calling them.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on May 03, 2007, 02:11:50 PM
I own a mobile home next door to me and I think it is much nicer than most small homes. It is nicer than my rental homes. I have gutted it and made it look like a home inside. No one should be ashamed of living in it. I could easily live in it.


I live in a mobile home.  My family keeps it tidy inside and out.  It doesn't matter.  There is stigma.  My son is teased at school because we live in a mobile home.  It makes me sad.  We have a pretty good life, two steady incomes, a couple of decent vehicles and do fun stuff from time to time.  We simply can't afford the rent or mortgage in this area to live in a newer, bigger home.  It's enough for us for now.  We plan on paying the mobile home off, buying land - paying that off and building our own home, but that takes time.  Until then, we are happy to have a roof over our heads.  But my son has more than once been taunted by other kids at school and treated as less of a person because we live in a mobile home.  Why is this????
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on May 03, 2007, 04:01:11 PM
The Yard police strike again. Were they wearing high black boots and walking with a goose step?I think this is utter BS. Looks to me they have a vendetta out against you.
Are you trying to tell me every build project in Waynesville is kept clean with no building material laying around? And my guess is, one of your neighbors is calling them.


I went down to City Hall yesterday afternoon (had to take time off work!) to find out what exactly is going on.  The building inspector that I spoke with said the debris wasn't the primary issue, but rather that I hadn't pulled a permit to remodel.  After "discussing" the issue for some time he backed down (hesitantly I might add) because all I am doing is cosmetic repairs & replacement.

I asked him how they found out about it, if a neighbor had called & complained or what.  As I said earlier in this topic I have a VERY GOOD relationship with my neighbors, so this was a big concern for me.  I found out that the building inspector, who also acts as the primary "reporter" to the WNAB, lives up the street from me...  SO, that explains why there are at least 3 people from my street that have issues with the WNAB; our yards are not the cookie cutter neighborhood that he apparently wants...
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on May 03, 2007, 07:15:10 PM
Let's hook him up, my next poker run will travel up and down your street
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on May 03, 2007, 07:49:25 PM
Let's hook him up, my next poker run will travel up and down your street

ROCK ON!! (((**&^^% I live on a dead end street, so we'd be turning around in HIS yard!!
Serves him right  lmao  ((*(*&
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: noseyneighbor2 on May 16, 2007, 07:57:40 AM
I live on that same street and I have to admit sometimes your place is an eyesore.  Took several months to get those branches off your house after the ice storm.  And now a toilet, sink and cabinets are just outside your front door.  I realize it takes time to clean up after remodeling is done, but this stuff has been there for a week at least.   I am not for our building inspector but just stating the facts.  As for the poker run bring it on!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: watson on May 16, 2007, 08:37:21 AM
Well all I can say is make a water fall with it and plant flowers around it and it will look beautiful and everyone will be jealous....
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on May 16, 2007, 08:49:12 PM
I live on that same street and I have to admit sometimes your place is an eyesore.  Took several months to get those branches off your house after the ice storm.  And now a toilet, sink and cabinets are just outside your front door.  I realize it takes time to clean up after remodeling is done, but this stuff has been there for a week at least.   I am not for our building inspector but just stating the facts.  As for the poker run bring it on!

Nosey, I completely agree with you, on occasion my place IS an eyesore.  I surely don't like the toilets and tub sitting in front of my house any more than I'm sure you like looking at them; and yes I know my lawn needs to be mowed.  As for the tree branches, if you look closely I still have several down that I haven't had the time to clean up.  I guess I could have taken that week off work and cleaned up my own place first, but instead I went up and down the street taking care of our neighbors, who I couldn't take care of things for themselves.

I appreciate your honesty, you should stop by and introduce yourself sometime; we'll throw back a cold one or three, or a glass of sweet tea, whichever you prefer.
Tim
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: fish on May 17, 2007, 12:35:19 AM
 hey biker, looks you have a place to set and read the morning paper outside. Of course making it look like you are using it at the same time is an option.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on May 17, 2007, 06:18:12 PM
hey biker, looks you have a place to set and read the morning paper outside. Of course making it look like you are using it at the same time is an option.

Hey, I could make a nice waterfall out of the tub & sink and sit on my $#!++3r to read the paper!! LMAO  Nosey, would you disown me if I did that??
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: noseyneighbor2 on May 20, 2007, 06:12:42 AM
Only if you were reading the not so Daily Daily Guide
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: cayteaka on May 29, 2007, 08:10:55 PM
Ok, I do not agree with people not using common sense but I actually see this issue from both sides of the fence. First I happen to agree that if you either rent or own your own place then you pay the money to live in a place according to your lifestyle. It does not matter if it is a one room building, trailer house or million dollar home. All I ask is that people have pride in where they live. I do believe in freedom and that all people will not live according to my standards. I know that people may have personal issues, that they may not be able to keep thier yards or homes as neat as I may like. I am very picky about my home and yard it's simply a matter of personal pride.I admit sometimes due to working extra, kids events, illness, etc, I can't even keep up with it all. But i do not give the impression to all who pass my yard that we live in a garbage dump.
We have a neighbor that we are real good at helping one another with whatever, whenever it is needed. I have put insect killer in his yard and he has helped my husband errect our shed. We keep one anothers kids in line and  check in at least weekly to see if there is anything needed. It's just what neighbors do. When we were remodeling our home it was a mess for over a week but we were aware that what could be cleaned up- should be. Paints were moved in the garage, tools put away, trash in the dumpster and covered with a tarp so the wind would not reblow trash back out in to our neighbors yard. We did this so there would not be issue with the neighbors. As well as a safety measure as there are a lot of young children in our neighborhood. Now for the flip side we live in the county but 5 minutes outside or St Robert and there is no regulation in our area. My other neighbors literally have  a farm on less than 2 acres of land. They are breeding dogs, have chickens, turkeys, 7 broken cars, a broken camper, they have 4 horses and many litters of wild roaming cats. The  dogs come in our yard regurlarly and one is agressive. I have ran the chickens out of my patio.Even with all the wild cats we have a mice problem due to all thier broken cars and the mice nesting in them. Thier cats have on more than one occassion sprayed most of the neighbors property and have scratched my car from laying on it. I would love for something to be enforced. Why should I put up a privacy fence when it is thier animals on my property?  I have a lot of yard and just for that side would be over $2,000.Why should I be woke up at 5:30 in the morning because his roosters crow outside my bedroom window or be kept up late because his dogs want to bark all night? Why should I not be able to entertain my friends outside without fear of the pound next door coming over and interrupting our get together or damaging my friends cars? I have tried to discuss the issue rationally 4 years ago when it was just the trash pile and broken cars and it got us no where. He did clean up a huge trash pile 2 years ago, it took four dump trucks to get everything, but then moved 2 broken cars in where the trash pile had been. As for enforcement I think common sense should prevail. If someone is renovating or remodeling then oviously things will be out of sorts for a while. However, in my neighbors case if you want to live in a junk yard then fence your whole property in or move to a place with a lot of land and no neighbors. We really like our neighborhood and love our home. Even if we chose to move could not even sale for full value because the view out our living room window is of a farm and a garbage dump.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Racer on May 29, 2007, 11:28:10 PM
Well said.  Great post.   ;D
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: noseyneighbor2 on May 31, 2007, 09:19:35 AM
Hey Biker .....place is looking good.  Remodeling must be getting close to an end.   
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on June 01, 2007, 08:26:39 PM
Hey Biker .....place is looking good.  Remodeling must be getting close to an end.  
Thanks Nosey; I'm trying!  Remodeling getting close to an end... I WISH!  Unfortunately I'm at a stand-still inside the house... something about having to have money to buy materials to finish projects... guess I got a little ahead of myself and went a little too crazy with a few too many things a little too fast... SO, now that I'm at a stand-still inside I can FINALLY devote some time to getting the yard back in order... That is when I'm home & not on the road anyway...

I should be around this weekend for the most part, stop by & say hi... need to introduce you to the "new additions" anyway :)
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Eeyore on June 01, 2007, 08:33:17 PM
It is so worth it when you are all done and can sit and enjoy what you have done -or redone
Thanks Nosey; I'm trying!  Remodeling getting close to an end... I WISH!  Unfortunately I'm at a stand-still inside the house... something about having to have money to buy materials to finish projects... guess I got a little ahead of myself and went a little too crazy with a few too many things a little too fast... SO, now that I'm at a stand-still inside I can FINALLY devote some time to getting the yard back in order... That is when I'm home & not on the road anyway...

I should be around this weekend for the most part, stop by & say hi... need to introduce you to the "new additions" anyway :)
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: littledog on January 07, 2008, 07:55:06 PM
I don't understand how  the city can enforce an ordinance that they don't comply with themselves. I live next to a city lot that has not been mowed by the city for the past 12 years. Since the mosquito's, snakes and field mice were migrating from the city lot and taking over my property, I started mowing and weedeating it every time I mowed my yard. I called the city every week during the first couple of years and was always told "you're on the list". but they never showed up to mow it.
I continue to pay someone to mow that city lot to this day. Every week, May thru Sept, for 20.00 every week.
I figure the city owes me over $5000.00 for maintaining  city property when  they refused to comply with their own ordinance.lol (that might happen)
Maybe the city needs to start taking care of their own property before they start hassling everyone else.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: eli on January 07, 2008, 09:30:26 PM
I don't understand how  the city can enforce an ordinance that they don't comply with themselves. I live next to a city lot that has not been mowed by the city for the past 12 years. Since the mosquito's, snakes and field mice were migrating from the city lot and taking over my property, I started mowing and weedeating it every time I mowed my yard. I called the city every week during the first couple of years and was always told "you're on the list". but they never showed up to mow it.I continue to pay someone to mow that city lot to this day. Every week, May thru Sept, for 20.00 every week.I figure the city owes me over $5000.00 for maintaining  city property when  they refused to comply with their own ordinance.lol (that might happen) Maybe the city needs to start taking care of their own property before they start hassling everyone else.
I would present them with a bill at the next council meeting.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Irish on January 07, 2008, 09:54:02 PM
Where is this property?, and who have you talked to?
Ed Conley
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Lepard LLC on January 07, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
You should have planted flowers in that pot and called it art.

Ok, here's another question on the topic...  How long should one be allowed to accumulate "stuff" on their property before it becomes a nuisance?  I started remodeling 2 of my bathrooms on Monday and have a lot of debris in front of my house right now.  The building inspector came by today and said I have to have it cleaned up by tomorrow...  Does this seem a little extreme to anyone else, or am I just "on my high horse" again???
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on January 08, 2008, 12:49:00 AM
has anyone been down hwy 17 across from Nickles apartments near the old Middle School on the right oh my gosh it looks like a trash truck exploded its real bad I can't believe the city lets that get by
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: littledog on January 08, 2008, 03:16:51 PM
Yes, I know the place you are talking about, looks like a goat exploded. It's looked like that for quite some time. They must know someone.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Just_a_Biker on January 08, 2008, 04:55:11 PM
Lol... Let me know if you present them with a bill, I'd love to be at that meeting!!!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Painter Girl on January 10, 2008, 02:58:37 AM
Don't get me started on the Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board!!!  How would you like for this to drain across your front yard every time it rains???!!

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Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: crylor6 on January 10, 2008, 06:48:47 PM
Does anyone know who to contact referencing a drainage ditch, creek, etc. (not sure what to call it) that runs from I believe that it is Ichord avenue, down to the tennis courts by the Waynesville Middle School?  I was in my backyard on Tuesday and looking at the opposite side of the drainage ditch, close to the Subway, Crosscreek Realty, etc. and that side of the ditch is just strewn with litter.  There is contstruction waste, delivery boxes, empty fastfood wrappers, trash, etc.  I realize that the city is extremely busy but it looks like a trash dump and I mentioned to my husband that it might be a good project for my daughter and I to clean it up but want to make sure that we won't get in any trouble.  My neighbors two houses down have said that they have called the city numerous times in the past two years and have been told that it would be taken care of, but it has never happened.  Due to all the run off in Waynesville this drainage ditch has been filling really fast during rainy times and maybe if it was cleaned out it might not be as bad?  Not really sure, but you can really see the trash since the foliage on the trees is gone for the winter!  Does anyone know if we can get in trouble if we attempt to clean it out?  I am just sick of looking at it and it would be a great opportunity to teach my six year old about respect for the environment (while showing her what disrespect for the environment looks like)! 
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Coyote on January 10, 2008, 07:07:36 PM
I used to live on Hull Drive years ago and I believe that is called Johnson's Creek.  It's usually fairly dry, but it can get up there with a lot of rain.  People got flooded really bad back in the 80's I heard.  I can't imagine being in trouble for cleaning up a mess.  It sounds like a neighborhood challenge and maybe the city could post a "no dumping" sign with a fine attached.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: crylor6 on January 10, 2008, 07:11:30 PM
Thanks for your comments.  In reality I really don't believe that people are dumping litter in the creek bed, I believe that people are throwing trash in parking lots, alongside the road, etc. and it is blowing or floating when it rains and drains and it is ending up in this creek bed.  I do know that when some construction was taking place in the little shopping area that wrapping materials, etc. were being washed/blown into the creek area.  I am willing to do some clean up but want to make sure that not stepping on any toes or doing something illegal since it is not my property...
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: luge on January 10, 2008, 07:20:50 PM
I appreciate Crylor's post.  We clean that area every year during Pride Day, which this year will be April 22, I believe.  But would welcome any help in keeping that area clean.  I do that same thing quite often when I am out walking.  I don't think there would be objections to cleaning areas around the creek or the streets.  You might call Bruce Harrill at City Hall, 774-6171, just to ask him.  Also, watch for the Pride Day announcements and join us.  Last year we had around 200 people out cleaning the City.  Thanks for your efforts.  You can also call me, if you have any other questions or ideas....774-2103.  Luge Hardman
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Painter Girl on January 10, 2008, 07:39:00 PM
Hey Luge....any suggestions concerning my post???  We are about to wash away!!!
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: luge on January 10, 2008, 08:08:14 PM
Painter Girl,   Call me at 774-2103.  I have several questions and we will try to help.    Luge
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: luge on January 10, 2008, 08:20:43 PM
Pride Day is April 19 in Waynesville....
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: DollarBill on January 12, 2008, 07:58:36 PM
While we're on this, does anyone know of some enterprising young people who would come and give me a quote on hauling off some trash, moving some old shelving, and a stove, and general yard clean up?

I don't expect it for nothing, but could use some help.  I just got my nasty-gram from the city and between my wife's and my own physical conditions we could use some help.  Mostly picking up stuff and seeing its disposed of.

Thanks  You can PM me and I'll give ya a call or vice versa.

Thanks again
$Bill
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: mark on January 14, 2008, 12:21:39 PM
I think a lot of people don't know what to do with their excess junk. The city should have one weekend per year for people to bring their junk to the city lot and have it disposed of.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Irish on January 14, 2008, 07:01:43 PM
The City does pickup, besides the normal garbage, twice a year, once in the spring and agian in the fall.  Off hand I don't know the next date, but it will be on the City website as well as newspapers and other media
 
Ed
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: matrsnot on January 14, 2008, 08:10:25 PM
Always well advertised.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: littledog on January 14, 2008, 09:03:10 PM
There are certain restrictions, no tires, paint cans etc. and all items  must be light enough to be lifted by two men. One year they refused to pick up a yard swing frame because it was too heavy, so my 74 year old mother had to carry it BACK to the garage. LOL
But when she called them they did come back and pick it up.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Coyote on January 14, 2008, 09:10:28 PM
LoL.  Didn't they feel silly?
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: mark on January 15, 2008, 01:26:48 AM
I don't live in the city but I'm glad to here they do pick up junk. Now if everyone would clean up twice a year it would look a lot nicer around here.
Title: Re: Waynesville Nuisance Abatement Board
Post by: Trix on March 05, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
theres a house behind the new city hall thats is real BAD I think they need a BIG cleanup