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Title: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: kanmisl on July 24, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
I know the military has brought a lot of people and more opportunities for more businesses like Lowes... but why do they rip us off ?  Because they can??  I priced a water heater at Lowes Rolla Lowes Lebanon and Local Lowes and the difference was Rolla 420.65 Lebanon was 420.65 and our local rip off store... 499.00 and it said it was " lower local price!"  BS.  Check it out with this model number: BFG1H5040T3NOV
 
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Princess04 on July 24, 2008, 07:08:38 PM
I'd Save the 79$$ and spend 20 in gas to go get it elsewhere
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 24, 2008, 07:23:03 PM
One time I bought some white sheer curtains at WalMart.  I needed 6 and they were $9.00 each...I thought they seemed high.  I was in Springfield a couple weeks later and the SAME curtains at the Springfield WalMart were $5.00 each.  Also, a box of cards I bought in St. Robert was $7.00 and they were in the $1.00 clearance bin in Springfield.  I was very fired up over it, but what can you do? 
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on July 24, 2008, 07:31:41 PM
All you need to do is show this to the manager, and he will usially give you the lower price. I got mine reduced recently doing the same thing
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eden on July 24, 2008, 07:41:29 PM
Lowe's will give you another 10% off if you find it cheaper somewhere else. Never comp priced the same store, but I am sure they would do it if you pushed them.
 
I know St. Robert Wal-Mart is higher on alot of things than the Rolla Wal-Mart is.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: littlebit on July 24, 2008, 07:56:32 PM
Businesses on St. Robert Blvd have an extra tax added on top of all other taxes.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 24, 2008, 08:00:00 PM
1/2 % thats like $2.50 on the water heater.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eden on July 24, 2008, 09:09:33 PM
I am referring to sticker price, not the added taxes.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: ♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥ on July 24, 2008, 10:02:12 PM
I know the military has brought a lot of people and more opportunities for more businesses like Lowes... but why do they rip us off ?  Because they can??  I priced a water heater at Lowes Rolla Lowes Lebanon and Local Lowes and the difference was Rolla 420.65 Lebanon was 420.65 and our local rip off store... 499.00 and it said it was " lower local price!"  BS.  Check it out with this model number: BFG1H5040T3NOV
 
Your lucky you don't live in my zip code.
 My price is  (see below)
 
Whirlpool
50-Gallon Gas Water Heater with Flame Lock Safety System
Item #: 188421       Model: BFG1H5040T3NOV
$529.00[/td[/b]]
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 25, 2008, 12:53:16 AM

I noticed that Lowes Rolla and Lebanon do not have it in stock (according to the website)- and so may not have accurate prices -- they will get it in some time in mid August.  Did you call the local Lowes and ask them about this?


Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 25, 2008, 01:34:34 AM
 I checked several stores around the nation -my home town and various places where we have lived - the ones that do not have it in stock say $419 -- $420, the ones that do say $499.
I think I'd call - I found out recently when purchasing a washer that stores do not often compete with their OWN website.  I had printed out a web ad for a washer from store XXX's website.  and I took it in and the washer rung up at a different price.  I questioned the price difference and why the store was higher --- "we don't compete with websites" she says.  And I said, "but this is YOUR OWN website -- "   "Yes, but it is different" ---
what could we do - we would have had to pay shipping to get it from the website, and from the store we could put it in a very nice ladies truck :)
 
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Yankee Trader on July 25, 2008, 04:34:47 AM
They are different in prices with ours being higher.  I posted the difference in banana prices in another thread.  49 vs 69 cents.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: matrsnot on July 25, 2008, 12:07:56 PM
Anyone think it might have to do with getting as much money as possible with all the troops in our area?  Even the gas stations consistently stay higher in St. Bob and Waynesville than in other areas.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Yankee Trader on July 25, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Anyone think it might have to do with getting as much money as possible with all the troops in our area?  Even the gas stations consistently stay higher in St. Bob and Waynesville than in other areas.

I think that is exactly what it is and it is a bunch of BS.  Gas 6 cents less in Rolla yesterday my other half informs me.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: I have no username on July 25, 2008, 02:23:10 PM
They have to recover the 10% off they give to the military.  Ream the civi's.  I shop at Meeks and always get better prices on lumber.  GO MEEKS!.

I dont mind discounts...but, they get way cheaper health care, housing allowances and education allowance...and before you say they are dying for our country, #1, they were not drafted #2 what about fire fighters and police that loose their life.  It doesnt add up.

I am not against the military, I actually work for them (GS employee) but I feel that they are treated better than the locals that have to reap all the other taxes and inflated prices.

St Robert and Waynesville...Im calling you out...Take care of your own.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 25, 2008, 02:30:36 PM
You should have joined the military if you want the benefits.  I joined for exactly that...free medical for me and my kids, a decent salary, training, education, a chance to see the world, and a retirement check.  So did my husband and now we are set.  Sure you don't have to, but that's your choice.  If you don't, you can't complain.  Police and Firemen have a union.  And lastly, the military pays the same thing you do at WalMart, Meeks, Lowes and most everywhere out in town.  Lowe's gave a 15% discount on Memorial Day weekend.  Road Ranger gives a 4% discount on gas to military paying cash.  Where are all these other discounts?  I want to know because I served and I earned them.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 25, 2008, 03:30:02 PM
Back to water heaters - did anyone think to go get a price at one of the local gas companies? you might be surprised?
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 25, 2008, 03:33:23 PM
I agree that they are trying to get as much out of the troops as they can.   The 10% discount for the military - is what 2 weekends per year - Labor Day and Veterans Day. 
My husband is not longer Active Duty either, but works on Post.   A lot of these national chain stores charge different prices based on what they think the local economy will support ---- See JT's add below.
I think that is exactly what it is and it is a bunch of BS.  Gas 6 cents less in Rolla yesterday my other half informs me.
They have to recover the 10% off they give to the military.  Ream the civi's.  I shop at Meeks and always get better prices on lumber.  GO MEEKS!.

I dont mind discounts...but, they get way cheaper health care, housing allowances and education allowance...and before you say they are dying for our country, #1, they were not drafted #2 what about fire fighters and police that loose their life.  It doesnt add up.

I am not against the military, I actually work for them (GS employee) but I feel that they are treated better than the locals that have to reap all the other taxes and inflated prices.

St Robert and Waynesville...Im calling you out...Take care of your own.

Your lucky you don't live in my zip code.
 My price is  (see below)
 
 
Whirlpool
50-Gallon Gas Water Heater with Flame Lock Safety System
Item #: 188421       Model: BFG1H5040T3NOV
 
$529.00[/td[/b]]
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Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on July 25, 2008, 03:39:06 PM
Back to water heaters - did anyone think to go get a price at one of the local gas companies? you might be surprised?
Except when you need an electric water heater
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 25, 2008, 04:02:05 PM
Your lucky you don't live in my zip code.
 My price is  (see below)
 
 
Whirlpool
50-Gallon Gas Water Heater with Flame Lock Safety System
Item #: 188421       Model: BFG1H5040T3NOV
 
$529.00[/td[/b]]
Then why are they comparing prices on gas water heaters????????[/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table]
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 25, 2008, 04:04:35 PM
We got the 50 gal one at Lowe's and it was $700.00 or thereabouts.  We got the 15% off though and I had one of those $10.00 coupons.  We didn't shop around...I don't think it's worth driving all around unless you save more than you spend on gas.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 25, 2008, 04:09:57 PM
Phones don't use gas.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Strictly Confidential on July 25, 2008, 04:17:01 PM
I dont mind discounts...but, they get way cheaper health care, housing allowances and education allowance...and before you say they are dying for our country, #1, they were not drafted #2 what about fire fighters and police that loose their life.  It doesnt add up.

I am not against the military, I actually work for them (GS employee) but I feel that they are treated better than the locals that have to reap all the other taxes and inflated prices.

St Robert and Waynesville...Im calling you out...Take care of your own.

Oh boy...here we go with the whining.  MANY (not all of course) but MANY of you GS employees are some malconent individuals - that (in my 25 years experience) can milk a weeks worth of work for 6 months or more -  often times because they are so busy whining about how bad they have it.  You suck up that GS paycheck though and then whine that you don't get a 10% discount?  Then you DARE draw the 'volunteer card' lol...
 
Shall we compare all the benefits oif your being GS to a civilian in the same or similar occupation and then bich and whine about how good YOU have it?
 
You volunteered to NOT have the same benefits the Military DOES have - so quit biching about what you did NOT chose for yourself.

I hate a whiner....
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 25, 2008, 04:18:59 PM
I believe he was comparing model to model with the heater in the first post
Then why are they comparing prices on gas water heaters????????
I know the military has brought a lot of people and more opportunities for more businesses like Lowes... but why do they rip us off ?  Because they can??  I priced a water heater at Lowes Rolla Lowes Lebanon and Local Lowes and the difference was Rolla 420.65 Lebanon was 420.65 and our local rip off store... 499.00 and it said it was " lower local price!"  BS.  Check it out with this model number: BFG1H5040T3NOV
Your lucky you don't live in my zip code.
 My price is  (see below)
 
 
Whirlpool
50-Gallon Gas Water Heater with Flame Lock Safety System
Item #: 188421       Model: BFG1H5040T3NOV
 
$529.00[/td[/b]]
[/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table]
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 25, 2008, 04:26:46 PM
Yes and they were both gas.  So what did I miss?  If they wanted an electric heater then they should have compaired that and I could have suggested another alternative source.   But since they already bought its all mute anyway correct??
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 25, 2008, 04:29:28 PM
Mine has a filter that helps tremendously with our hard water issues.  Also we have ordered stuff over the internet, like "Direct Buy"  which will get you the lowest price usually.  Here's a weird thing about Lowe's.  They sell the Troybilt mower, but not the belts.  I ordered them from the company.  They were $13.00 and free shipping, but Lowe's quoted me $17 for them to order it.

Oh...when I saw dano's post I thought..."uh oh, here comes SC!!"  Right again (yesssss).
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 25, 2008, 04:36:43 PM
I assume the salesman told you how much good the filter will do for hard water.   
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on July 25, 2008, 04:37:32 PM
That seems to be the norm anymore with all stores, they sell the product, but you can't find the service parts from them. Water filters are the worse. You by a water filter, and go back in three months because you need to replace the filter, and they don't carry that.
Walmart carries Murray lawnmowers, but my 6 year old mower that I bought there, they never have replacement blades, so I have to order them online.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 25, 2008, 04:59:32 PM
Yea it is to bad that GS workers don't get the same benefits as the military, such as, long deployments (on call 24 / 7 no over time pay), long hours when not deployed(no overtime pay), having to pick up family and move at inopportune times, some people just can't understand that the mitilary do alot for the compensation they get.  When I retired i was recieving approximately 22 an hr based on a 40 hr week, but the only time i worked 40 hrs was if I took 2 or more days of leave in a week

 
Oh boy,,,here we go with the whining.  MANY (not all of course) but MANY of you GS employees as some malconent individuals that in my 25 years experience can milk a week of work for 6 months - often times because they are so busy whining about how bad they have it.  You suck up that GS paycheck though and then whine that you don't get a 10% discount?  The you DARE draw the 'volunteer card' lol...
 
Shall we compare all the benefits oif your being GS to a civilian in the same or similar occupation and then bich and whine about how good YOU have it?
 
You voluntered to NOT have the same benefits the Military DOES have - so quit biching about what you did NOT chose for yourself.

I hate a whiner....
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eden on July 25, 2008, 05:44:39 PM
I don't have a problem with the military discounts, but I don't think the locals should have to pay higher prices to make up for it. JMO
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 25, 2008, 06:21:55 PM
They don't pay higher prices, they pay the normal prices.

I don't have a problem with the military discounts, but I don't think the locals should have to pay higher prices to make up for it. JMO
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: mandie_81z on July 25, 2008, 06:29:46 PM
Yea it is to bad that GS workers don't get the same benefits as the military, such as, long deployments (on call 24 / 7 no over time pay), long hours when not deployed(no overtime pay), having to pick up family and move at inopportune times, some people just can't understand that the mitilary do alot for the compensation they get.  When I retired i was recieving approximately 22 an hr based on a 40 hr week, but the only time i worked 40 hrs was if I took 2 or more days of leave in a week

 
Actually I believe under the new NSPS plan all civilian employees are to sign a mobility agreement that they will pack up and leave if the army asks. All civiliam jobs on post are deployable its just that they don't usually see a reason to do that. I don't gripe, I have it good. I make way over minimum wage and I love my job. I pay way less for health insurance than I would in the real world and people offer govt. employees discounts as well. I just never have understood complaining. I don't have the kind of job that was mentioned above where I can stretch projects out for months and months because I'm one of only three workers responsible for cataloging and processing all new books, dvd's, cd's, etc. at the library.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Strictly Confidential on July 25, 2008, 06:48:57 PM
I dont't think any of you can prove you are paying higher prices to make up for a military discount.  Their margins will typically be around 15-30% on a product - so in essence the military member is providing them 10-25% profit, while the civie is providing them with the 15-30% - They don't raise the price after you fail to produce a military ID card - full (profit) margin vs slightly discounted profit margin...not "cashier, pls raise the price for civilians by 10%"...
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 25, 2008, 06:59:28 PM
Can it be proven-NO.  But it is a fact that on most items it cheaper at lebanon, rolla, the lake etc.  it has to make you wonder why prices are higher here than any other place in a 50 mile radius.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on July 25, 2008, 07:25:37 PM
Actually I beliebe under the new NSPS plan all civilian employees are to sign a mobility agreement that they will pack up and leave if the army asks. All civiliam jobs on post are deployable its just that they don't usually see a reason to do that. I don't gripe, I have it good. I make way over minimum wage and I love my job. I pay way less for health insurance than I would in the real world and people offer govt. employees discounts as well. I just never have understood complaining. I don't have the kind of job that was mentioned above where I can stretch projects out for months and months because I'm one of only three workers responsible for cataloging and processing all new books, dvd's, cd's, etc. at the library.
I have gone over to NSPS and no there is no such wavier. And only specialized GS jobs have a deployablity clause in them. Most are none deployable at FLW.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: mandie_81z on July 25, 2008, 08:20:31 PM
Not the story we are getting here. I don't know where its coming from but they say hold on to your chair or you'll be on your way overseas.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on July 25, 2008, 08:24:33 PM
Unless you are in a specific type of unit ( I design units for the Army so I have dealt with this) that is deployable, and have signed a statement acknowledging that when you took the job (most of there are Reserve Positions) and it is not in your job description, then you are not deployable
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 25, 2008, 08:37:53 PM
Shipping costs perhaps? Closeness to shipping hubs? Ask the Alaskans.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: I have no username on July 25, 2008, 08:57:15 PM
Oh boy...here we go with the whining.  MANY (not all of course) but MANY of you GS employees are some malconent individuals - that (in my 25 years experience) can milk a weeks worth of work for 6 months or more -  often times because they are so busy whining about how bad they have it.  You suck up that GS paycheck though and then whine that you don't get a 10% discount?  Then you DARE draw the 'volunteer card' lol...
 
Shall we compare all the benefits oif your being GS to a civilian in the same or similar occupation and then bich and whine about how good YOU have it?
 
You volunteered to NOT have the same benefits the Military DOES have - so quit biching about what you did NOT chose for yourself.

I hate a whiner....

I choose to work on post at a job where in the civilain world I would make 3x as much as I do here (FLW).  I have grown un in a military family.  I planned all of my life to join the military, but couldnt due to severe kidney issues.  My patriotic "Gift" to serve my country is to TREAT medically soldiers and their families.  I could make 60k here or near 200K in St louis.  It isnt about milking the govt, I have a passion for what I do. 

So, I will play the volunteer card.  So, what exactly have you contributed that makes you a better person than me? 

I'm gonna take a back seat and just let that stir.  Im am by NO means saying I am better, but Im also saying you are not special either!
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: I have no username on July 25, 2008, 09:00:38 PM
BTW, learn to spell if you are going to "bitch" at me.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: igahmah at work on July 25, 2008, 11:15:34 PM
God bless the military.  I am happy to pay a small increase in products I buy to give them a discount.  I don't think they get paid near enough and their benefits do not make up for the difference. I work for a small church in St. Robert, so I am not a civilian employee, but I realize without the military, most churches and other businesses around here would not be able to stay in business long.   
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 27, 2008, 03:18:06 PM
I think you are correct on this but it is still not the same as a military member,  the civilian can always quit without getting a mandatory vacation at Leavenworth
 
Actually I beliebe under the new NSPS plan all civilian employees are to sign a mobility agreement that they will pack up and leave if the army asks. All civiliam jobs on post are deployable its just that they don't usually see a reason to do that.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 27, 2008, 03:23:52 PM
Many bussiness in these areas also give military discounts.  How about other discounts such as seniors or student.
 
Also when my FIL was in University Hospital in Columbia I enquired at the motel about a Military discount and the also had them there, however they asked why we were there and it turns out that they had a hospital discount the was more than the military discount.
 
Can it be proven-NO.  But it is a fact that on most items it cheaper at lebanon, rolla, the lake etc.  it has to make you wonder why prices are higher here than any other place in a 50 mile radius.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Yankee Trader on July 27, 2008, 05:32:07 PM
I don't believe prices are higher to give discounts.  I think prices are higher because they know there is a high population of military that are not mobile and have to walk/take a taxi so they can't travel far to purchase items.  Sort of like a captive audience. 

Now I am talking about large chain type stores only..... Walmart, Lowes etc.   I don't know any small business owner that would do that.  We are happy just for the business!!
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on July 27, 2008, 11:47:51 PM
I think you are correct on this but it is still not the same as a military member,  the civilian can always quit without getting a mandatory vacation at Leavenworth
 
I am under the new NSPS system, as is most every supervisor on FLW. Nothing has changed about my job or any other position, we are not deployable, unless our position is one that has to be called up. The TDA for MANSCEN is a non-deployable TDA. NSPS has absolutely nothing to do with deployability or not, The just changed the promotion system, there are no more guaranteed yearly income upgrades, you actually have to work for it, and you get reviewed by several boards which will determine how much if any bonus or increase to your base pay, but it did not change anyones job postion from a non-deployable to a deployable.

And I think you can fire people easier under the new system, but I will have to wait and see on that one
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 28, 2008, 03:32:02 AM
     On the military discount at hotels and motels and airfares ---
Be sure it is the lowest discount there is --- I was looking for a friend - a few months back -- and the general internet discount rate on 4 rooms that I looked out in STL was $30 - $50 cheaper for 1 (yes one) night ---  If you strictly ask for the military or government rate - they will give you per diem for those on official orders-- and since they think the govt is paying --- yep - up it goes - sometimes it is cheaper to travel as Mr and Mrs
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 28, 2008, 04:09:31 AM
Lowes offers a 10% military discount all the time.  Those of us who are civilians don't get a discount ever on anything......
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 28, 2008, 04:12:55 AM
When I asked about that I was told that they only offer the military discount for Veteran's Day and Memorial Day.  It is not an everyday discount.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 28, 2008, 04:16:29 AM
My friend just went in there last week and got all her flooring with her 10% military discount and my SIL's boyfriend got 10% off yesterday on some outlets.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 28, 2008, 12:59:23 PM
Wow, if that's true, they sure don't advertise it.  I'll check next time.  Man...we could have saved about $800 on all the stuff we've bought there.  I know that Road Ranger has it posted on the gas tanks, and Goody's used to have it on the counter.  Hope you are right.  My husband and I have over 43 years military service between us.  I could write a book about how much of my kids lives I missed and how much they sacrificed by moving around, the months and months of deployments... and I don't feel guilty one bit about getting a little discount here and there.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 28, 2008, 01:00:13 PM
Us too, and we've asked more than once and were told no unless it was one of those two weekends.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: ~kathy~ on July 28, 2008, 01:22:41 PM
Lowes offers a 10% military discount all the time.  Those of us who are civilians don't get a discount ever on anything......

Does that also work on ones that are retired or possibly one that still has an ID card because of their spouse being deceased?
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 28, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
It always has for us when using our retired IDs. 

Does that also work on ones that are retired or possibly one that still has an ID card because of their spouse being deceased?
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: fknarmyguyretired on July 28, 2008, 01:49:58 PM
the Lowes in lebanon used to have the Military discount on payday weekends, i've neve asked about it in the st robert lowes
 
When I asked about that I was told that they only offer the military discount for Veteran's Day and Memorial Day.  It is not an everyday discount.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Strictly Confidential on July 28, 2008, 07:39:18 PM
I choose to work on post at a job where in the civilain world I would make 3x as much as I do here (FLW).  I have grown un in a military family.  I planned all of my life to join the military, but couldnt due to severe kidney issues.  My patriotic "Gift" to serve my country is to TREAT medically soldiers and their families.  I could make 60k here or near 200K in St louis.  It isnt about milking the govt, I have a passion for what I do. 

So, I will play the volunteer card.  So, what exactly have you contributed that makes you a better person than me? 

I'm gonna take a back seat and just let that stir.  Im am by NO means saying I am better, but Im also saying you are not special either!

wow...3d grade debate tactics - attack ones written or verbal prose in an effort to divert attention from your lack of confidence that you can properly defend your otherwise weak or untenable position...  Please, you flatter yourself - I assure you spelling isn't my problem - caring enough about what you think that I take the time to check my TYPING is  :)

What makes me more special than you?  Not sure where you derived that we were having a discussion on that particular topic, but if you demand an answer I 'spose it would be the fact that I'm not suffering from penis envy (or green uniform envy) because I'm not made to feel inferior for lack of a military discount....

Funny you are so quick to mention that you would make so much more elsewhere - you paint it as though you are personally sacrificing to be here - I assure you, I'm not that nieve - you are here because you are serving your best interests, or perhaps your familes best interest by being here - otherwise you would pack up and go make your 150% more than you are here - as you claim you can.

Therefore, we can conclude that you choose to be here - yet you complain that you pay more to be here - hmmmmm... sounds like victim syndrome to me - put yourself in a position where you are unhappy then get on a public forum and whine about it.   please.....
 
and regarding making 3x more elsewhere - that's a lie - department of labor statistics will reveal that's the case - and of course you ignore your cost of living will be about 1.75-3x higher in St. Louis... pffffffft
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: skeeter on July 28, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
Gas at Hocker Oil-Rolla, MO-3.73
Gas at Hocker Oil-St. Robert, MO-3.62
That was today's price as of 2:00p.m.
Guess that one blows the theory that we are ALWAYS the most expensive.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: fish on July 29, 2008, 12:28:41 AM
I converted to nsps almost 2 years ago(air force). not all positions are deployable but some are more susceptable, Such as fire protection. The systme did not change much. It increased bureacracy. Wait till you do the objectives, feedbacks and appraisals.
 
anyway, I am also retired military. I don't mind the discounts the active duty get, it is a sign of appreciation. Besides, there are far more important things to bitch about than some very deserving people getting a discount.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: blissfullybusy on July 29, 2008, 04:15:23 AM
This is interesting

source: http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp (http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp)

All facts based on a family w/dependants

An E-3 with 2 years in makes $1687.80, BAH w/ dependents is $808, plus commissary and PX privileges, health insurance paid =$2495.80

St. Robert Police (highest paid police officers in the county) $1921.00, minus health insurance for family = $1242.00

Waynesville Police Department $1609, minus health insurance = $902

Pulaski County Sheriff's department lets just say it's too pathetic to post here. LOL


Now I'm just sayin...... I don't think they get any discounts.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 29, 2008, 04:23:56 AM
Senior Discounts, Student Discounts, School Discounts, LE Discounts, Employees working in the same or near by businesses Discounts
Many bussiness in these areas also give military discounts.  How about other discounts such as seniors or student.
 
Also when my FIL was in University Hospital in Columbia I enquired at the motel about a Military discount and the also had them there, however they asked why we were there and it turns out that they had a hospital discount the was more than the military discount.
 
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Thewatchfulleye on July 29, 2008, 11:01:34 AM
It is true, we ALL are charged more here at Ft. Leonard Wood, for the same item, than at other Wal-Mart stores, such as Rolla or Lebanon.
 
As far as the Military or Civilian Service getting free medical, or extra benefits, doesn’t really pertain to the point.
 
The point is we are ALL being gouged, and that’s not right.
 
What is even worse is anyone belittling our Military because of the extra “Perks” they receive, and losing sight of the benefits that we ALL receive from our military . . .  our FREEDOM.
 
No greater gift, can one give (or risk), than one’s own life, so that another may live . . . Especially in Freedom.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Strictly Confidential on July 29, 2008, 12:56:14 PM
Mr. Blissfull, your analysis makes the asumption that the E-3 is married - I assume because it gives them more money to consider - this also skews the analysis - one can assume the 'average' E-3 is 18,19, maybe 20 - and the vast majority of that age demographic is not going to be married.
 
However, going with your assumption, please do keep in mind, your police officer is not required to tear his family apart for 12,15, or 24 months at a time, come home long enough to 'almost' re-assimilate and then do it again.
 
It is a comparativley rare occurance when a police officer is killed in the line of duty - one canot say that for a Soldier - we are a nation at war, after all.  People are quick to state there is a 'war on crime' in our streets - I'll go with that (meaning I do not disagree) but the casualty rate is comparativley low, and after fighting that war for 8-10 hours the police officer pulls up to his dinner table and asks the family how their day was.
 
Police officers will do thier job for 8,10 hours and go home.  A Soldier will do their job when, where, and how told - they will not necesarily go home at the end of the day.  They will spend many a holidays staring at the top of a tent wondering where his family is, and what they are doing, and if they miss him as much as he misses them.
 
Soldiers do not have a union to look out for them and represent them.
 
Soldiers volunteer for all of the above - that is understood - what most seem to overlook is they are voluntering on the premiss that they will be entitled to certain pay and benefits - its part of the package, it is available to all yet so few (% of our population) choose to do it - if the pay is all that, why then does only 3-5% of the US population (including territories) choose to do it? 

These are apples and oranges, but I do tire of the comparisons. 
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Just_a_Biker on July 29, 2008, 01:46:44 PM
Well said SC!!  I get sick and tired of people comparing LE and other ES with the military members.  There IS NO comparrison, PERIOD!
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on July 29, 2008, 01:52:29 PM
Not to mention, this is all choices. The soldier chooses to be a soldier, maybe for patriotic purposes, or because of the benefits, for college or other. The police man chooses his profession. Same cop could have been a soldier. Should we get down on the Doctor who did 8 years of college and compare him against the high school drop out because his lifestyle is better than a drop outs, and complain that the Doctor is living too well. The drop out made that choice. We all make choices in our life, and we have to live with it. I chose the Army in 1977 because I saw no future in my life where I was at. For me it was the right choice. My best friend went on to school, and is living much better than me because he is a scientist. I don't compare or bitch that he gets more than me; I made that choice a long time ago. I decided to retire when I was on the E8 list and everyone told me I was primed to make Sergeant Major. I saw civilian job opportunities then that now don't exist. I retired, and now have a good Civil Service job. Those that decided to stay in now are sweating it out as the job market for positions like mine are not so easy to get now. Again, choices. So don't compare one person who serves in the service to another who serves the community and complain it’s not fair. Everyone had a choice where they were going to end up, and if you are not happy with where you are, complain about making a bad choice.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 29, 2008, 01:53:57 PM
As far as choices, it would be interesting to know:
1) How many of those police/deputies served 3-4 years in the military then chose to give up those benefits to pursue their dream of being in LE.
2) How many are retired from the military and their benefits and retirement make up the difference.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: igahmah at work on July 29, 2008, 03:51:42 PM
 ***(**&
To most of the last few posts.
 
Choices, anybody who complains about the military benefits go join the military and get a paid vacation to the middle east as one of your benefits.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Strictly Confidential on July 29, 2008, 05:50:21 PM
my final .02 on the matter -
 
aren't there a lot of eateries here locally where the police and sheriff officers receive deeply discounted meals?
 
don't hear anyone complaining about that - and I 'spose I could whine that it's unfair a Soldier and their family pays more (going back to the original complaint) - but I understand certain perks and benies go with any job - and by God it's a great thing they can have a little change off their meal ticket...
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 29, 2008, 06:42:18 PM
     First off - I just called Lowe's St Robert and asked them -----  She told me that they ONLY offer a military discount on July 4th and Memorial Day.
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     My guess is that things cost more here because of the installation - but not because of your average soldier -- there are a lot of people employed on FLW that are contractors and are civilians, and are instructors, and you name it --- Rolla and Lebanon do not have this installation or employee base and so the store does not think the folks can pay as much.  I remember before we had a LOWE's we were price comparing for bathroom hardware (towel bars and such) between Rolla and Osage Beach -- and Rolla was a LOT cheaper.
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Thanks folks for saying most of what I wanted to say but . . .  - sometimes don't feel I can cuz if you get me started well . . .  :rant:   There is this voice in my head talking about "a 24 hour rule"  :)  Hi voice.

     I don't begrudge anyone any discount/benefit that they receive for a group they are a part of - whether it is for employees, "ladies day", children of fallen (firefighter, police, etc) college scholarship, free car washes to cars painted in the local university colors, whatever it is --   It is up to the business or fund raising organizations to do this and if they wish to say thank you - great.  If they wish to use the discount to encourage these groups of people to shop at their establishment and compete - that's fine too.   
      I think it is wonderful that the emergency services folks get rush service and perhaps free food while on duty (or not) --- And if I have to wait for their meal to be made before mine -- so be it --- they never know when that pager is going to go off or when that scheduled meal time (if there is one) is going to be cut short by a shooting or car accident or whatever.  I've even been places and watched these folks eat out of to go boxes so they could run when the beeper went off.     
     Does it make me mad?  No they give up a lot while on shift and off to keep my family safe here in this community.  And it is the businesses choice.     
     Am I complaining?  No!  If a business chooses to take a hit on the bottom line to offer a group a discount - let them do it.  A lot of times it is used to edge out the competition as well.
     If someone gets a discount or rush services - Attorneys on the square, Doctors near a hospital, soldiers near post, Emergency Personnel whatever the group while they are on duty -- Where are they going to shop/eat/do business when off the clock or after they retire?  Chances are if the product is the same quality --- with the one that treats them while on the clock. 
      If a fast food restaurant gives their senior parents a discount or free coffee - they may go there even when the parents are not along just to say thank you ---
     So that discount can actually generate higher sales.  It can be a good business decision.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: ~kathy~ on July 30, 2008, 02:44:25 AM
i really dont complain about alot of the prices in st bobs because i usually leave my complaints for some towns that only have 1 grocery store and charge an arm and a leg because they have no compatition. i went to richland the other day and bought a small bag of best choice great northern beans and they cost me 5.45! never again will i shop there.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: igahmah at work on July 30, 2008, 03:36:36 PM
Good try Kathy, trying to get them back on topic but it didn't work.  C'mon guys make a new thread.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Coyote on July 30, 2008, 03:42:53 PM
I did.  It's in the military opinion.
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: igahmah at work on July 30, 2008, 03:44:03 PM
thanks coyote, ok now back to why SR residents get ripped off!
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eden on July 30, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
I was just reading the Gascosage paper and it has a list of all the rebates they give for water heaters, etc.

Also, they have a CFL program, take in a canned good and receive 2 compact fluorescent light bulbs - 10 per month per member.

Good deals!
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Eeyore on July 30, 2008, 03:48:46 PM
"Yes Mom"  ;)--- things sure did drift from last night --- I moved the "new" topic over to "Military Benefits, different than when you joined?"  Please look for them there.
thanks coyote, ok now back to why SR residents get ripped off!
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: ~kathy~ on July 30, 2008, 05:28:16 PM
I know 1 business in St. Roberts that does not rip people off, As a matter of fact this place has the best prices I have found around and has products that really do last and that would be....Lepards Shoe. I have a 13 year old son that is really rough with shoes and the shoes we got there has lasted and lasted. 
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: cowboy on July 31, 2008, 01:06:58 AM
i really dont complain about alot of the prices in st bobs because i usually leave my complaints for some towns that only have 1 grocery store and charge an arm and a leg because they have no compatition. i went to richland the other day and bought a small bag of best choice great northern beans and they cost me 5.45! never again will i shop there.


If you hit the blue richland it comes up with richland Oregon
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2008, 01:10:49 AM
Just checking Clicksor out.. has it's issues..
 

If you hit the blue richland it comes up with richland Oregon
Title: Re: Why are St Robert Residents ripped off by local businesses????
Post by: Lepard LLC on July 31, 2008, 01:11:57 AM
Oh didn't see this, thanks..

I know 1 business in St. Roberts that does not rip people off, As a matter of fact this place has the best prices I have found around and has products that really do last and that would be....Lepards Shoe. I have a 13 year old son that is really rough with shoes and the shoes we got there has lasted and lasted.