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Title: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 13, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
Vicky
Hartzler (http://www.facebook.com/vickyhartzler)First day of deer season! Lots of
hunting in the Fourth today! Hope everyone has a gets a big one! Be
safe!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 13, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
Met her at the Parade, she didn't utter a  sound after I said nice to meet you.. Gone to her head already.

Vicky
Hartzler (http://www.facebook.com/vickyhartzler)First day of deer season! Lots of
hunting in the Fourth today! Hope everyone has a gets a big one! Be
safe!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 13, 2010, 06:00:48 PM
Met her at the Parade, she didn't utter a  sound after I said nice to meet you.. Gone to her head already.

Possibly, but I don't think she's trying to ignore her constituents. I do know that she's making significant efforts to reach out to media throughout the district, many and probably most of which virtually ignored the congressional race, either because they assumed (wrongly) that Ike Skelton could not be beaten or because the vast majority of local newspapers simply do not have the staff or knowledge to effectively cover a congressional campaign.

On the other hand, if you identified yourself with the Pulaski County Web, between my reporting on her and some information she's been getting from certaiin local leaders, I think she might just be concerned that anything she said could show up on the internet.

That's not a wrong guess on her part if she had been talking to me and I have a tape recorder or a pen in my hand. Anything said by a politician at her level at a public event is on the record; Skelton knew that, virtually everyone in Congress knows that, and if Hartzler doesn't know it yet, she'll find out fast with reporters far more aggressive than me. For a member of Congress, probably the only way I would ever agree to consider comments at a public event off the record would be for national security reasons if he/she wanted to say something to troops without broadcasting it to our enemies.

Hartzler's media relations people do understand the difference between the Pulaski County Web and the Pulaski County Daily News, but considering that I was usually the only person covering events by her or Ike Skelton in Pulaski County and there are so many different newspapers in the Fourth Congressional District, I think there's a good guess that she wouldn't have a reason to know the difference between us.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 13, 2010, 06:12:43 PM
uhmmm, not so much...she has her poor overworked campaign manager setting up phone interviews, then canceling them right and left....of course, he takes the blame" I over booked her, I gave her wrong dates"...yeah right....and by the way, is she going to have Thanksgiving dinner at the mess hall? hahahaha
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 13, 2010, 06:14:04 PM
oh, and actually they dont even call and cancel....only when poor Steve is contacted and he says what?, I will get back to you....then it is all his fault.....
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 13, 2010, 06:19:37 PM
uhmmm, not so much...she has her poor overworked campaign manager setting up phone interviews, then canceling them right and left....of course, he takes the blame" I over booked her, I gave her wrong dates"...yeah right....and by the way, is she going to have Thanksgiving dinner at the mess hall? hahahaha

Interesting.

Years ago, I used to cover mess hall events on Thanksgiving when the senior officers were dishing out food to the troops -- for the most senior of leaders who started out years ago as Vietnam-era draftees who decided after Vietnam to use the GI Bill to go to college and joined ROTC programs, it typically gave a nice Thanksgiving story about how general so-and-so or colonel so-and-so used to be a private on KP duty.

I don't think I've never done that at Fort Leonard Wood, but if Vicky Hartzler is coming, unless PAO objects (which they may) I owe it to Hartzler to go out there and report whatever comments she wants to make about valuing the sacrifices of military personnel away from home on Thanksgiving.
 
I am quite sure she will not cancel that sort of media event.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 13, 2010, 06:25:52 PM
I believe her answer was, I will keep it in mind...paraphrasing there....
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 13, 2010, 06:33:22 PM
I believe her answer was, I will keep it in mind...paraphrasing there...

Thank you for the clarificiation. Serving at the mess hall and eating with the troops is actually a really good idea, but Vicky Hartzler has a young elementary-school-aged daughter and I think most people would entirely understand if she wants to be with her family. This and the upcoming Christmas holiday may be the last time she can do that for a very long time.
 
oh, and actually they dont even call and cancel....only when poor Steve is contacted and he says what?, I will get back to you....then it is all his fault.....

I get the picture.

BTW, just so people know, the "Steve" being referred to here is not a political flack but rather a career journalist with a couple of decades of media experience, most recently working for MissouriNet. He got into some sort of problem with Democrats that I haven't bothered to track down, and decided to leave the media and start working for Republican campaigns.

Steve is a professional and knows what he's doing -- including the importance of protecting the candidate or the elected official by taking the blame for mistakes involving the media. That's what PR people do.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 13, 2010, 06:38:33 PM

Thank you for the clarificiation. Serving at the mess hall and eating with the troops is actually a really good idea, but Vicky Hartzler has a young elementary-school-aged daughter and I think most people would entirely understand if she wants to be with her family. This and the upcoming Christmas holiday may be the last time she can do that for a very long time.
 
I get the picture.

BTW, just so people know, the "Steve" being referred to here is not a political flack but rather a career journalist with a couple of decades of media experience, most recently working for MissouriNet. He got into some sort of problem with Democrats that I haven't bothered to track down, and decided to leave the media and start working for Republican campaigns.

Steve is a professional and knows what he's doing -- including the importance of protecting the candidate or the elected official by taking the blame for mistakes involving the media. That's what PR people do.



okay then, the higher calling, lol...her kids can come too.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 13, 2010, 06:38:42 PM
Yes I was introduced as Rick Lepard from Pulaski County Web. The people near me all got the impression she was snobish..
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 13, 2010, 06:40:38 PM
I was not privy to that meeting, but I was told by several others that she was snobbish and stand offish.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 13, 2010, 06:59:19 PM
Yes I was introduced as Rick Lepard from Pulaski County Web. The people near me all got the impression she was snobish..

The local people advising Hartzler range from some who have known and respected me for years to others who regard me as a dangerous reporter who can't be avoided but has to be handled carefully. A few of them regard me as somewhat lower than a piss ant. There's a good chance that you got tarred because of associating with me.

I've been involved with politics literally all the way back to when my father was taking me as a baby to political rallies in his role as a Republican Party official. I realize it will take time for any incoming politician to figure out who he/she needs to pay attention to in an unfamiliar county, and who is trying to get the politician's ear for their own agendas rather than to be helpful. If I were Vicky Hartzler, I'd be doing a lot of learning about Pulaski County, and I can't blame her for listening to some people who warn her to steer far away from both me and you. She needs to rely on the advice of others until she can make her own evaluation.

What Vicky Hartzler does in Washington and how the rest of the media cover her will determine whether I pay attention to her or not, other than her occasional appearances in Pulaski County. Covering Congress is not my job, but the meetings of the House Armed Services Committee are often televised, and if nobody else is paying attention to her, I will have to.

Unfortunately, it would not surprise me if I end up being the only reporter from Hartzler's district covering what does does in Congress, and if that happens, I guess I'll have to add videotaping of the House Armed Services Committee to the list of meetings I need to be covering.

I think anybody who has spent very much time reading my work knows what happens when I start paying attention to what people say at meetings.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 13, 2010, 07:32:34 PM
BTW, just so people know, the "Steve" being referred to here is not a political flack but rather a career journalist with a couple of decades of media experience, most recently working for MissouriNet. He got into some sort of problem with Democrats that I haven't bothered to track down, and decided to leave the media and start working for Republican campaigns.

I just did some checking on Steve Walsh, the media liaison for Vicky Hartzler who used to work for MissouriNet.

Walsh got blasted by Missouri's liberal blogosphere for a "tweet" on his personal Twitter account pointing out that Osama bin Laden has decided to call global warming a worldwide danger. Apparently it is not allowed to be a "global warming denier" in the Missouri news media.

Here's his tweet, sent on Jan. 29, 2010:

http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/stevemonet/status/8369127456

TEXT: "Osama Bin Laden formally joins the American Left ... buying into global warming and blaming the U.S."

And here's his post on the issue:

http://stevewalsh2010.posterous.com/im-outta-here-for-now (http://stevewalsh2010.posterous.com/im-outta-here-for-now)

Sounds to me like Walsh took a position with which most of us on the Pulaski County Web would agree. It's the greenhouse gas/global warming issue that underlies the "cap and trade" vote that would dramatically increase electricity bills; Ike Skelton's vote for that bill was a major factor in Farm Bureau endorsing Hartzler and seems to have been a major factor in Skelton's defeat.

However, he got eaten alive by a liberal "attack of the blogs":

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201001290022 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201001290022)

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/missourinets-walsh-osama-bin-laden-formally-joins-american-left-because-he-believes-global-w (http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/missourinets-walsh-osama-bin-laden-formally-joins-american-left-because-he-believes-global-w)

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/thought-your-friendly-thought-police (http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/thought-your-friendly-thought-police)

Here's Walsh's summary from his own blog: "Yup, it was a joke. But the left wing blogosphere got hold of it and went nuts. It was an attempt at humor, but clearly I had struck a nerve - causing considerable angst among the folks at Fired Up! Missouri here in the Show-Me State and Media Matters on the national level. I forgot a cardinal rule - never poke fun at someone's religion. My humor led to a backlash from those for whom global warming - or climate change as it is called when the weather turns cold - is a sacred religious belief. The furor has yet to die down."

Here are some other posts by liberal bloggers attacking Walsh's conservative views:

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/when-good-thing-bad-thing (http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/when-good-thing-bad-thing)

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/walsh_on_bloggers (http://www.firedupmissouri.com/walsh_on_bloggers)

Sounds to me like Steve Walsh is a pretty good guy. The least that can be said is that he has the right enemies.

And here, by the way, is a really good piece by Walsh on how, as an old-school journalist, he's had to interact with the "new media" of the internet. I've made some very deliberate decisions about how to be involved with the Pulaski County Web, and Walsh's essay touches on a number of the issues involved in running a blog and how it carries risks that are different from traditional media.

http://missourinet.posterous.com/the-differences-between-us-and-them (http://missourinet.posterous.com/the-differences-between-us-and-them)

And by the way, for the people who think I'm alone in being a reporter who gets taken apart from time to time by bloggers, here's a timeline of attacks on Walsh:

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/category/topics/steve-walsh (http://www.firedupmissouri.com/category/topics/steve-walsh)

Bottom line: I can't see a problem with Walsh. Looks like Vicky Hartzler made a good decision in hiring him. There aren't very many conservatives in the news media and while it's too bad he's now in PR work, I understand better than a lot of people how difficult it is to deal with left-wing media managers or to run an internet news operation.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 13, 2010, 07:37:59 PM
and that has what to do with my post...I also think Steve Walsh is a good guy, caught up in a bad situation

he is getting blamed for her inattentiveness.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 13, 2010, 07:47:47 PM
and that has what to do with my post...I also think Steve Walsh is a good guy, caught up in a bad situation. he is getting blamed for her inattentiveness.

No criticism of you intended at all, Okie... We both agree that Steve Walsh is a good guy.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: David Day on November 13, 2010, 09:13:52 PM
Steve Walsh has been a friend for a number of years, I can assure you he is a great guy.  Just throwing in my 2 cents since his name has come up. 

Dave
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: igahmah at work on November 13, 2010, 09:25:22 PM
"On the other hand, if you identified yourself with the Pulaski County Web, between my reporting on her and some information she's been getting from certaiin local leaders, I think she might just be concerned that anything she said could show up on the internet."  DTM Quote


So what you are saying is she has time for the media but not for anybody else.  Face it, she lost in Pulaski County and she could care less whether anybody here likes her or likes what she does.  She won without this vote.  Now what we need to do it kiss her butt so she thinks Pulaski County is a great place and will work hard to do what is best for this county and not just the ones that voted for her.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 13, 2010, 09:31:45 PM
"On the other hand, if you identified yourself with the Pulaski County Web, between my reporting on her and some information she's been getting from certaiin local leaders, I think she might just be concerned that anything she said could show up on the internet."  DTM Quote


So what you are saying is she has time for the media but not for anybody else.  Face it, she lost in Pulaski County and she could care less whether anybody here likes her or likes what she does.  She won without this vote.  Now what we need to do it kiss her butt so she thinks Pulaski County is a great place and will work hard to do what is best for this county and not just the ones that voted for her.


It's true that Pulaski County went by a sizeable majority for Ike Skelton, and was one of the few counties to do so.

We'll see how Hartzler handles that reality.

At least for me, I have no intention of trying to "kiss her butt," or that of anyone else. She'll get the same treatment as any other elected official, though probably a lot less attention than our local people since I cannot realistically do much of anything to cover her work in Washington except watch her on C-Span.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Racer on November 13, 2010, 11:05:58 PM
"On the other hand, if you identified yourself with the Pulaski County Web, between my reporting on her and some information she's been getting from certaiin local leaders, I think she might just be concerned that anything she said could show up on the internet."  DTM Quote


So what you are saying is she has time for the media but not for anybody else.  Face it, she lost in Pulaski County and she could care less whether anybody here likes her or likes what she does.  She won without this vote.  Now what we need to do it kiss her butt so she thinks Pulaski County is a great place and will work hard to do what is best for this county and not just the ones that voted for her.



Ya folks, "Send Ike Home", "Take a Hike Ike".  You got what you asked for.  Mrs. Fartzler will really give a damn about you and our area.  You better get ready to Kiss her rear. ^%^%$   Pucker up.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 13, 2010, 11:52:45 PM
A simple nice to meet you and a hello to the people around me would have went a along way.. She was miss ice queen..
 
 
"On the other hand, if you identified yourself with the Pulaski County Web, between my reporting on her and some information she's been getting from certaiin local leaders, I think she might just be concerned that anything she said could show up on the internet."  DTM Quote


So what you are saying is she has time for the media but not for anybody else.  Face it, she lost in Pulaski County and she could care less whether anybody here likes her or likes what she does.  She won without this vote.  Now what we need to do it kiss her butt so she thinks Pulaski County is a great place and will work hard to do what is best for this county and not just the ones that voted for her.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 14, 2010, 12:08:15 AM
Am I to understand our country wants to stiffle the sales of coal when it is a huge export and we have a good chunk of it on our continent?
 
 
Sounds to me like Walsh took a position with which most of us on the Pulaski County Web would agree. It's the greenhouse gas/global warming issue that underlies the "cap and trade" vote that would dramatically increase electricity bills; Ike Skelton's vote for that bill was a major factor in Farm Bureau endorsing Hartzler and seems to have been a major factor in Skelton's defeat.

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Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: igahmah at work on November 14, 2010, 01:17:18 AM


Ya folks, "Send Ike Home", "Take a Hike Ike".  You got what you asked for.  Mrs. Fartzler will really give a damn about you and our area.  You better get ready to Kiss her rear. ^%^%$   Pucker up.


Not me, I voted for Ike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 14, 2010, 01:26:39 AM
Am I to understand our country wants to stiffle the sales of coal when it is a huge export and we have a good chunk of it on our continent?

That's exactly what the people who believe in global warming want to do.

Of course if they're right and coal burning will raise the planet's temperatures as much as they say, their plans for cutting coal usage and a lot of other things that produce greenhouse gasses make sense.

Only one problem: Somebody needs to get the Russians as well as the Chinese, Indians, and a whole host of other smaller developing countries to agree. Considering that many of them have minimal if any environmental regulations now, that will be a neat trick.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: sarah page on November 14, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
I was at a bible study last night with a bunch of pure Republicans. I am a Democrat. But they we all very angry about the Vicky Hartzler vote which surprised me. But one is worried about the fate of her job as an nurse on the fort, one has a husband who works with this friend on the fort, and the other is a college student, plus others who dont vote yet. But we are also worried about the fate of Whiteman. I personally have friends who work at Whiteman and we are worried about it's fate. We all we're laughing at her stupidity about the whole "Why dont we have a naval base", and we came to the came to the same conclusion. Lake of the Ozarks is going to be the next naval base. LOL
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: fish on November 14, 2010, 02:32:51 PM
maybe wait till she is sworn in to start bitchin? If she doesn't deliver, she will be toast in 2 years, just like Ike was this year.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 14, 2010, 04:37:08 PM

Vicky
Hartzler (http://www.facebook.com/vickyhartzler)Am heading to Washington to begin New
Member Orientation. Looking forward to a good, big week!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on November 14, 2010, 11:18:20 PM
Some one broight her over to me and introduced her to me as a member of the Patriot Guard and Freedom Of *Road Riders. She lloked at me and said, yes, i have heard of you bikers before and turned her back to me and walked away. i also go the impression she was snobish
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 14, 2010, 11:30:30 PM
wonder if she was nice to Fish?
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: fish on November 14, 2010, 11:58:49 PM
she would have been nice to me, I just know it! LOL LOL If she is that way with her constituents, she will have a short career, no matter what good she may do.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: kari on November 15, 2010, 12:56:50 AM
Some one broight her over to me and introduced her to me as a member of the Patriot Guard and Freedom Of *Road Riders. She lloked at me and said, yes, i have heard of you bikers before and turned her back to me and walked away. i also go the impression she was snobish
Wow, she sounds like a "lovely" lady.... I'm THRILLED I didn't vote for her!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: superdave on November 16, 2010, 09:54:56 PM
You'll just have to understand that not everyone has the personality of Ike Skelton.  Why, he has introduced himself to me at several Pulaski County events-NOT.   Funny--I have never seen Ike at the Vets Parade.
 
Give her a chance!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: blissfullybusy on November 17, 2010, 01:07:55 AM
Some one broight her over to me and introduced her to me as a member of the Patriot Guard and Freedom Of *Road Riders. She lloked at me and said, yes, i have heard of you bikers before and turned her back to me and walked away. i also go the impression she was snobish
Wow no, not at all. 
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 17, 2010, 01:57:50 AM
Todays Quote.

Vicky Hartzler
At the Library of Congress. Many believe most beautiful bldg. In Washington. Sensational!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 17, 2010, 05:11:49 AM
Dave is right. We do need to give Congresswoman-elect Hartzler a chance, and even if we disagree with her, it is imperative that we respect her office. She won the election, and in a free republic, that is a very important fact.

For Democrats who think I'm just coming to the defense of a fellow Republican, remember that I said the same thing about President Obama two years ago, and for two full years I've been saying that some of the attacks on this board against our president go beyond what should be said in a constitutional form of government.

For Republicans who are Skelton supporters because of his stance on the military, I think it's obvious that there's a lot more to like about Vicky Hartzler's campaign platform than that of our president.
 
What I'm going to say next has more to do with some of the radical and extreme elements in the Republican Party that go beyond far beyond loyal opposition to President Obama. I don't see this in the people who oppose Vicky Hartzler, at least not yet.

Conservatives are not revolutionaries, and if we believe in our constitution, we need to eschew the mob rule tactics of the community organizers, Saul Alinsky and similar folk. While they can be highly effective and were a significant factor in bringing our president to power, they have their own logic and if pushed to their logical conclusions, they lead to anarchy and disrespect for the very institutions of government. Class warfare at least has the merit of being consistent with certain types of liberalism, but when used by conservatives, such tactics are inherently hypocritical unless they step from fascist principles, and I certainly don't think anyone around here wants to be an advocate of fascism.

You'll just have to understand that not everyone has the personality of Ike Skelton.  Why, he has introduced himself to me at several Pulaski County events-NOT.   Funny--I have never seen Ike at the Vets Parade.
 
Give her a chance!
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Geezer Glide Taz on November 17, 2010, 03:24:05 PM
I do plan on giving her a chance as far as her politics until she shows me otherwise, as I have for any other politician, but we were on here people skills and like others, she came across snobbish in how she talked to her constituents at the parade. I am nobody special that should get special treatment, but I am also not lower than any one that you have to turn your back on me while I am addressing you. As far as politics go, I hope that she does a great job, because if she fails, we are the ones that get screwed.
I did not vote for Obama either, but I hoped he was going to do a good job, because this country needs help.
 
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: 2CardJohnE on November 18, 2010, 12:42:32 AM
I see nothing wrong with Fartzler ( she stinks ) getting the same chance as "Nobama" got
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Racer on November 18, 2010, 01:18:34 AM
I see nothing wrong with Fartzler ( she stinks ) getting the same chance as "Nobama" got


I just wish she would send me back my share of the 750k she got for her farm.  Let that big government leave her alone.  My share has to be around 10 bucks.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: okie the thread killer on November 18, 2010, 01:21:17 AM

I just wish she would send me back my share of the 750k she got for her farm.  Let that big government leave her alone.  My share has to be around 10 bucks.



oh but that subsidy money is a matter of national defense you know.....at least that's what I read she said about it....
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Racer on November 18, 2010, 02:02:33 AM
I do plan on giving her a chance as far as her politics until she shows me otherwise, as I have for any other politician, but we were on here people skills and like others, she came across snobbish in how she talked to her constituents at the parade. I am nobody special that should get special treatment, but I am also not lower than any one that you have to turn your back on me while I am addressing you. As far as politics go, I hope that she does a great job, because if she fails, we are the ones that get screwed.
I did not vote for Obama either, but I hoped he was going to do a good job, because this country needs help.


Damn it, nobody puts Taz in the corner.  You are special Taz, say it again, you are special Taz.  Come on Pulaski County Web, give a shout out that yes, Taz is special.     &&*&^
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 18, 2010, 02:18:17 AM
Special does come to mind.
 

Damn it, nobody puts Taz in the corner.  You are special Taz, say it again, you are special Taz.  Come on Pulaski County Web, give a shout out that yes, Taz is special.     &&*&^
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: tpgunbiz on November 18, 2010, 08:29:58 AM
I dont like her. I hope she as well as others dont bury us.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 18, 2010, 04:09:46 PM
Vicky Hartzler

We as the Republican Conference just voted to ban all earmarks. We're serious about cutting spending
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Chas on November 18, 2010, 06:44:37 PM
She is blowing smoke  until congress votes to ban earmarks.  It will be interesting to see what she does at that time.  Wouldn’t surprise that she or for that matter many of vote to cut them.   They will have an excuse.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 18, 2010, 07:34:52 PM
She is blowing smoke until congress votes to ban earmarks.  It will be interesting to see what she does at that time. Wouldn’t surprise that she or for that matter many of vote to cut them.  They will have an excuse.

First off, in fairness to Vicky Hartzler, on this point she agrees with Sen. McCaskill. Some Democrats are strong opponents of earmarking for philosophical reasons, saying that any project worth earmarking is one which should be able to stand on its own through the competitive grant process or routine budget issues.

However, the position of both McCaskill and Hartzler is in direct contrast to the position taken over the years by Congressman Skelton.

There are things at Fort Leonard Wood or which support Fort Leonard Wood that exist because of Skelton's earmarks. They may be good or bad, and a number of them might have succeeded anyway without earmarks.

However, earmarking is an issue which could have an immediate and direct impact on Fort Leonard Wood and our surrounding communities. I wish I had thought to ask the earmarking question to Hartzler and Skelton during the campaign.

I'm going by memory here, but several times over the last half-decade projects pushed by Skelton such as the Leonard Wood Institute got on various conservative organizational lists of inappropriate earmarking that hadn't been vetted through the proper budget process. With Republicans now in control of Congress and our local Congresswoman being an opponent of earmarking, it would probably valuable for me to ask Skelton's staff for a list of his earmarks that require ongoing funding to keep alive.

Again, it's very important to remember that just because something got earmarked doesn't mean it can't stand on its own. Sometimes the project might have been a risky project that has since proved itself. In other cases, the project might have gotten funded anyway, or funded a year or two later. Just because we will soon have two opponents of earmarking representing us does not mean the projects will go away or that similar projects will not get started in the future.
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: freethinker on November 18, 2010, 08:07:50 PM
Vicky Hartzler

We as the Republican Conference just voted to ban all earmarks. We're serious about cutting spending

thats awesome!

well.. except for the fact that an earmark ban will do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit, seeing as money "earmarked" for something is already part of some federal agencies budget...  they are likely to kill more state/local jobs that exist because of earmarked funds..

but the sheep will cheer and donate to the war chest when they hear this. because they have no clue wtf an earmark is....   
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: darrellmaurina on November 18, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
An "earmark" is a Congressman or a Senator getting special funding, usually for a constituent or a business important to his/her district, without going through the ordinary review process. Basically it's saying that "Agency X" (whatever it is) has $X billion worth of money, and a certain amount of it will, by Congressional mandate, be spent in a certain way.

Our local elected officials do that all the time. If you want the pothole on your county road or city street fixed, there's a good chance you're going to go to your city council or county commission to ask that it be fixed.

However, you don't do that with MoDOT. There's a reason why. Our state decided long ago that members of the legislature shouldn't be deciding where money gets spent on roads, but rather the decisions should be made by trained professional engineers in MoDOT who are answerable to the state transportation commission.

At the federal level, most funding decisions are made by staff review processes in the agencies. If you think I-44 needs better pavement, you probably won't go to your congressman and ask for a supplemental appropriation for the stretch of I-44 on which you drive to go to work. He's got better things to do with his time, and unless he happens to be a former road engineer, he probably knows enough to know he doesn't have the expertise to get "down in the weeds" on such issues.

There are times that constitutents ask for the equivalent of a pothole fix, directing spending to a specific local problem apart from the regular staff review process. That's not necessarily bad; after all, that's why we elect our elected officials. However, it is an avenue for potential waste and abuse.

Apparently Fourth District voters liked Vicky Hartzler's views and didn't like Ike Skelton's views. That's fine, and it's what elections are all about.

We'll see in the next two years whether voters like the consequences of the change.


thats awesome!

well.. except for the fact that an earmark ban will do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit, seeing as money "earmarked" for something is already part of some federal agencies budget...  they are likely to kill more state/local jobs that exist because of earmarked funds..

but the sheep will cheer and donate to the war chest when they hear this. because they have no clue wtf an earmark is....   
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 23, 2010, 01:51:41 AM
Vickie Hartzler
What a memorable day: got to sit in cockpits of an A10, Apache, and a B2 & tonight met Pres. George W. Bush
Title: Re: What did Vicky Hartzler write on Facebook today?
Post by: Lepard LLC on November 23, 2010, 01:55:13 AM
Vicky Hartzler
Had great day at Whiteman AFB. I appreciate the hospitality & briefings of Maj. Gen. Vander Hamm & his staff.