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I find myself in a minority.  In Pulaski county there are very few people that will openly profess that they are atheists.  I would like to know how many people in the area share my viewpoint.  I would also like to hear more atheist opinions being shared, spread and discussed without fear of public backlash.

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 05:06:09 PM »
Boy howdy, get ready to get ripped.
I have it on good authority that the Hokey-Pokey really IS what it's all about.

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2008, 05:29:07 PM »
Meaning what? 

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2008, 06:09:57 PM »
Go to the religion opinion, thread where are all the atheists. You will find much debate there. You should find it interesting.
I have it on good authority that the Hokey-Pokey really IS what it's all about.

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2008, 07:14:21 PM »
What is your opinion?

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2008, 07:18:26 PM »
I am a backslid Christian who really doesn't believe in orginized religion, but not a atheist, not even quite an agnostic. I just kind of ignore religion, I guess. Maybe I am just lazy.
I have it on good authority that the Hokey-Pokey really IS what it's all about.

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 05:31:32 AM »
Contrary to popular belief, this site does not offer a valid area for this area's opinions.  Those who participate are mostly regulars and would like to believe that they are the majority but would be wildly shocked to find how wrong they are.

That can be said about the Bible belt also...  Unfortunatly today, there really IS a reason that there are so many jokes about the South... and a lot of it is because it houses the Bible belt... and tolerates it.

Check it:
http://forjesus.ytmnd.com/

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2008, 12:48:46 PM »
You so called "Atheist's are doing nothing more than try ing to use so called science as an excuse to live in sin. Its a cop-out and your taking the easy way out. Its time to Man-Up and get with the program.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2008, 02:09:46 PM »
Good Post Mark.  +karma for you.

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2008, 05:22:09 PM »
Getting with the program is the problem.  The "so-called" christians aren't willing to question the things dictating the path of their life so they allow themselves to be PROGRAMED.  Think for yourself before you judge us, but that might get you sent to hell.  Your fascist...I mean loving god doesn't want you to think...So I guess you'd better not.

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2008, 06:35:06 PM »
Why should we question what we know to be true?
....and that night as the moon crossed the mountain, one more Coyote was heard...

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2008, 07:31:15 PM »
I am a backslid Christian who really doesn't believe in orginized religion, but not a atheist, not even quite an agnostic. I just kind of ignore religion, I guess. Maybe I am just lazy.

Lazy maybe, what you did was "kill the rooster! !!

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 06:23:20 AM »
"How about I just come down there and punch your fat head in for Jesus!"

LOL.

Right?

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 06:29:07 AM »
Because of sad little realities like THIS:
Christian Creationism:
http://creationism.ytmnd.com/

As taught by a Professor!

Why should we question what we know to be true?

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 01:08:23 PM »
Well...at least you are doing something for Jesus.

"How about I just come down there and punch your fat head in for Jesus!"

LOL.

Right?
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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2008, 01:15:09 PM »
How exactly do you know it to be true? And please don't say faith.  That is not an explaination.

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2008, 01:20:37 PM »
How do you know it to be untrue?  And please don't say "because I said,"  That also is not an explanation.

How exactly do you know it to be true? And please don't say faith.  That is not an explaination.
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2008, 01:44:23 PM »
Because of study, fact finding, the presentation of hard evidence based in science, and the actual reading of the bible.  see other posts.  It seems as though I am fielding the same questions over and over.  I DON'T BELIEVE BECAUSE I HAVE STUDIED THE BIBLE, I HAVE STUDIED SCIENTIFIC DATA AND RESEARCH TO PROVE EVOLUTIONARY THEORY, AND I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY INFORMATION TO THE CONTRARY.  UNTIL THAT DAY COMES THE BURDEN OF PROOF RESTS ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE GOD-FEARING. 

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2008, 01:51:59 PM »
The wonderful thing about being a Christian is we believe without condition and don't have to "prove" anything to anyone.  We worship together, pray together, and love each other.  You are missing something very valuable in your life...that hopefully you will know someday.  You must have a very burdened heart to hold the hate you have.
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2008, 02:15:13 PM »
I was born a Christian and have experience all of the wonderful things that you talk about.  But, when I had a question about something and not a single person in the world could give me a logical explanation, I began to see that maybe I was being lied to.  You have once again dodged an opportunity to give me an answer.  You have completely ignored the challange that I made to you and all of the other believers.  No one can do it.  They say they don't need to because they have faith.  If your purpose is to go out and spread the gospel of you god, you can't just read it to people and say, "There you go.  Believe or go to hell."  You haven't given a reason to support belief.  You going to church and having a good time there isn't reason to believe in a god.  Go to an amusement park, you'll have more fun I promise. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2008, 02:47:06 PM »
 ^^^%%%
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2008, 03:10:22 PM »
It isn't believe or go to h*ll, it's ask Jesus into your heart and go to heaven. The proof has been presented. Look at nature, I'm sorry but there is NO WAY that evolution or the big bang was smart enough to give these animals these survival measures.
 If a queen is needed, a larva is chosen and will receive only royal jelly and in large quantities as its food source for the first four days of its growth, and this rapid, early feeding triggers the development of queen morphology, including the fully developed ovaries needed to lay eggs.
Some species of birds, like the Arctic tern, make a 25,000 mile round-trip journey every year. Many species use built-in ferromagnets to detect their orientation with respect to the Earth's magnetic field.
Baby chicks practice this "kin selection" by making a special chirp while feeding. This call announces the food find to nearby chicks, who are probably close relations and so share many of the chick's genes.
There is just so much in this universe that couldn't have happened because of a big bang and yes animals can develop and "evolve" to survive but there is also a logic to it as well. Also look at the Redwoods in California. Its sad that you lost faith and couldn't find it again. But unless you open your heart and mind to everything God is and can give you, you won't be happy and you'll keep trying to bring the rest of down as well. God is love and what he wants is for me to pray for you and let you know he loves and misses you, so that's what I'm going to do, like it or not.

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Re: I want to hear an atheist opinion in the public
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 03:37:58 PM »
I really do think that when this thread was opened, it was quite evident that there would be no definite answer.  All you can expect is lots of pros and cons and blah, blah, blah - but no conclusion. 

To pack things in a nutshell - - it is like arguing whether Barack Obama is black or white! There is a 50% chance that he is or isn't.  The same goes with a Supreme Being, either He exists or doesn't - it is your choice.

BUT

 It's better to believe than not to believe. Because in the event that you don't believe, and in the end you find out that the "thing" you didn't believe in truly existed, then you've lost. If you believe and that "thing" doesn't exist, you've lost nothing.

Personally I would rather live an upright, moral Christlike life and take my chances...
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2008, 04:02:45 PM »
In that case you are only believing for the sake of self preservation.  If you only believe for fear of being wrong and being punished, is that really believing.  I wouldn't think so.  I believe that if there were a god he would understand my using the mind he gave me to look at all of the evidence that I have been  presented with critically.  It is a major choice to make, belief or disbelief.  I know why I made my choice, but siding with something for fear of being wrong is wrong in and of itself.  Funny how it seems that the side that promises of eteral torment for disbelief is the one that draws the most people to it.  Self preservation.

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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2008, 04:11:03 PM »
That's probably the most intelligent post you've made. You're right about using your mind. God wants us to use our minds and examine the evidence, that's why we were given free will. Because when you believe after looking at all the evidence against God existing He knows and better yet you know that all your feelings and love are real and then your faith cannot be shaken. I look at my own situation. I'm living with my boyfriend and have a child out of wedlock. I know this isn't what God wanted for me but that's where I find myself. Yet I feel God in my life and know He loves me and is trying to stear me back toward Him and once I get there, I'll know that my life will be better and my faith will be strong. I am scared everyday because I don't know if I were to die today if I'd get into heaven or be cast sent to hell, which I would without a doubt deserve. But through it all, abusive relationships, being cheated on, and financial troubles I still have no doubt at all the God exists, even if that's all I can manage right now.

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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2008, 04:17:28 PM »
where does the bible say those that don't believe will go to hell and be tortured?
 
the bible is more than just a book. if you studied it for 21 years you should know that.
 
to believe in God is logical,it makes sense, just look at our surroundings.
 
go back to that single cell in evolution, how did it get there?
 
 

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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2008, 04:36:22 PM »
When science does explain it you will be too closed off to it that it won't matter anyway.  The bible states that "the only way to the father is through the son." That verse is a clearly stated point.  If you are not a believer you cannot go to heaven.  Belief in god demonstrates a lack of effort in trying to understand the physical universe.  You have come up with the easiest answer to explain the world around you, and have given up trying.

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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2008, 04:39:43 PM »
mandie, you think that you would deserve to be punished for loving someone and having a child that you both love out of wedlock?  You actually support the notion of a god that will cast you into hell for being in love.  You may call it sin, but loving another human being is not worthy of being labeled a sin. 

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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2008, 05:10:38 PM »
So you are holding out for science to one day explain it?  How long will you wait?

When science does explain it you will be too closed off to it that it won't matter anyway.  The bible states that "the only way to the father is through the son." That verse is a clearly stated point.  If you are not a believer you cannot go to heaven.  Belief in god demonstrates a lack of effort in trying to understand the physical universe.  You have come up with the easiest answer to explain the world around you, and have given up trying.
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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2008, 06:07:12 PM »
Until I die and find out for myself that nothing happens.