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Re: NOT ENOUGH MONKEYS
« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2008, 02:44:38 PM »

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Uh...cool?  I wouldn't consider you, or call you, an idiot, Mark.

Since this thread is about monkeys typing the Encyclopedia Britannica, I guess I'll attempt to put this back on subject.

If a billion chemical processes (substituting for monkeys typing on a typewriter) happen every year for a billion years (1,000,000,000,000 chem. Proc. x 1,000,000,000,000 yrs) and the universe has had 15 billion years of existence 1,000,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000,000 x 15,000,000,000,000 = 15,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
This is equal to 15 of those 1/10^36.  So, we would have 15 successful titles.  But, this is using the Brittish number “Billion.”  So, let’s use the American version, since we’re here.

1,000,000,000 chem Proc. X 1,000,000,000 yrs x 15,000,000,000 = 15,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 1.5 x 10^28.  It falls short by about a billion years, assuming that a billion chemical processes take place every year throughout the vastness of the universe.  Now, it’s estimated that there are almost seven billion people in the world.  If each person were to shed 20-40 thousand skin cells/minute, in an hour the total number of skin cells reproduced (a natural reaction for the body and a chemical reaction in the new forming cells) that would equal out to at minimum, 1,200,000 new skin cells/hour/person.  For 6.7 billion people, the number is 8,040,000,000,000,000 or 8x10^14.  Doesn’t seem like much, right? In a day, 192,960,000,000,000,000 or 1.9x10^17.  Or in a year, 70,430,400,000,000,000,000 or 7.04x10^19.  In a century 7,043,040,000,000,000,000,000 or 7.04x10^21.  So, after a billion years of life, that would make 7.04x10^30. 
Now, if there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone, with a billion chemical processes happening every year (again, low number) and if every third star has at least one planet orbiting it, 300,000,000 stars have a billion chemical processes happening in one year equals out to be 300,000,000,000,000 (3x10^14).  How would this look in the life of the Universe?  4,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (4.5x10^24) chemical processes in the course of 15 billion years in just one galaxy of many, assuming every third star has at least one planet orbiting it.  But, since we’re talking numbers, let’s just say there are one million galaxies in the universe.  That would make the chemical processes 4,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 4.5 X 10^30.  Now, it should be noted that the author of this argument didn’t take into effect that the “typewriter” we’re talking about doesn’t have 36 keys…it has four (G-A-T-C).  Homosapiens have 27,000 genes or 46 Chromosomes.   There are 64 possible codons, making the chance of the code 1 in every 3.4x10^30 random chemical process…which is much less than this author claims.  Since single celled organisms self replicate, you really only need a small handful (one or two won’t work.)to start the chain reaction into complex life.  Now, I did not include here in the math that the Earth has had about a billion years to start this process and has had 4.5 billion years to get it to the stage it’s at right now.   Of course, this is the simple explanation.  Did this answer the question?

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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2008, 06:35:32 PM »
 You are assuming there are over a billion chemical processes per year. You are assuming the universe is billions of years old. Too many assumptions to be credible in any way. Bad science!
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Re: NOT ENOUGH MONKEYS
« Reply #92 on: October 26, 2008, 08:00:04 PM »
So... Mark, you realize that everything you posted in post #80 was discredited, right?

Its nothing more than propaganda.  What do you think about the counter information?

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« Reply #93 on: October 26, 2008, 08:04:11 PM »
 I read it, there are a couple of good points but "everything discredited" absolutely not. As I said there are 50,000 anti Hovind websites trying to collect the $250,000.
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« Reply #94 on: October 26, 2008, 08:07:46 PM »
What parts were not successfully discredited and why?

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« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2008, 08:16:49 PM »
 Read it for yourself!
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« Reply #96 on: October 26, 2008, 08:46:53 PM »
You are assuming there are over a billion chemical processes per year. You are assuming the universe is billions of years old. Too many assumptions to be credible in any way. Bad science!

I'm not assuming.  I know for a fact that there are well over a billion chemical reactions in one year...hell one minute.  The author of this article left out many variables that just makes him and many other people who quote him look far less than credible.  I know you're smarter than this.  Anyone who knows anything of cell biology or even beginner physics knows that it takes a number of reactions for one cell to devide, or what it takes for hydrogen molecule to turn into a helium molecule.  This is happening billions of times as I write this. 

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« Reply #97 on: October 26, 2008, 08:48:21 PM »
Nothing left of substance to offer Mark?

Read it for yourself!

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« Reply #98 on: October 26, 2008, 09:43:00 PM »

I'm not assuming.  I know for a fact that there are well over a billion chemical reactions in one year...hell one minute.  The author of this article left out many variables that just makes him and many other people who quote him look far less than credible.  I know you're smarter than this.  Anyone who knows anything of cell biology or even beginner physics knows that it takes a number of reactions for one cell to devide, or what it takes for hydrogen molecule to turn into a helium molecule.  This is happening billions of times as I write this.
The same reaction is happening billions of times. But, not billions of different reactions.
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« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2008, 11:24:32 PM »
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« Reply #100 on: October 26, 2008, 11:29:14 PM »
"There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God almighty Himself hates with you, too. Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side." - Kurt Vonnegut

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« Reply #101 on: October 26, 2008, 11:32:50 PM »
 Nice picture "what the" that's probably how it was in the garden.
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« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2008, 01:20:53 AM »
Dinosaurs in the garden of Eden?

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« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2008, 06:58:21 AM »
Jesus in the garden of Eden? --Blasphemy--  I'll gather the fire wood, you cut the stake. There is a heritic in need of burning.
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« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2008, 11:48:12 AM »
  God was there, and dinosaurs were there. (and you could pet them and, maybe ride them) (the dinosaurs).
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« Reply #105 on: October 27, 2008, 09:53:47 PM »
Was Rick James there too?

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« Reply #106 on: October 27, 2008, 10:13:21 PM »
  God was there, and dinosaurs were there. (and you could pet them and, maybe ride them) (the dinosaurs).

Why hasn't mankind developed anti-dinosaur technologies and weapons?
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« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2008, 01:57:28 AM »
we don't need them winston. the dinosaurs are gone.

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« Reply #109 on: November 29, 2008, 10:47:46 AM »
Here is a really helpful frequently asked questions page about God and religion. It has every answer you could possibly need.
 
http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
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« Reply #110 on: November 30, 2008, 06:47:54 PM »
we don't need them winston. the dinosaurs are gone.

Are you arguing they once existed?
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« Reply #111 on: December 01, 2008, 02:06:48 AM »
ever been to a museum?

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« Reply #112 on: December 01, 2008, 04:14:21 PM »
ever been to a museum?

More than one.  Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.  Period.
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« Reply #113 on: December 01, 2008, 04:29:18 PM »

More than one.  Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.  Period.

 
What about the Loch Ness Monster? He came to my house the other day asking for tree fiddy.
 
 
 
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« Reply #114 on: December 01, 2008, 05:14:25 PM »
how do you know, winston?

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« Reply #115 on: December 01, 2008, 05:29:18 PM »
Here is a really helpful frequently asked questions page about God and religion. It has every answer you could possibly need.
 
http://www.400monkeys.com/God/

 &^&&(      why didn't i think of that.....  that page is awesome

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« Reply #116 on: December 01, 2008, 05:33:50 PM »

 &^&&(      why didn't i think of that.....  that page is awesome

Because you are stupid and mean.
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« Reply #117 on: December 01, 2008, 05:46:01 PM »
how do you know, winston?

Because I don't claim to know everything based on one religious text, nor do I claim that everything in that one relgious text is a fact.
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« Reply #118 on: December 02, 2008, 02:18:01 AM »
I asked how DO you know. not how DON'T you know.

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« Reply #119 on: April 25, 2009, 11:48:40 PM »

Fine Feathered Friends and Dinosaurs
Written by: Bruce Malone

From magazines to newspapers...from museums to textbooks...the concept that dinosaurs turned into birds is presented as a fact. Yet this concept, like all of the other supposed "facts" of evolution, is wrought with problems which are seldom exposed. Whenever dinosaurs with a bone structure remotely similar to birds are found, the link between dinosaurs and birds is assumed to exist. Bird fossils such as Archaeopteryx (right) are presented as proof of evolution because the bones have some characteristics reminiscent of reptiles. Yet this whole idea of dinosaurs turning into birds is based more on faith than scientific fact. Here are a few observations which are seldom reported:

   1. Birds have a totally different respiratory system than reptiles. For a reptilian respiratory system to change into an avian respiratory system would be analogous to a steam engine changing into an electric motor by randomly removing or modifying one component at a time, without disrupting the motor operation. It is simply an impossibility.
   2. The hollow bones, muscle design, keen eyesight, neurological commands, instincts, feathers, and a hundred other unique bird features are completely different from reptiles. In particular a bird's lungs and feathers display brilliant design. Either would be totally useless to perform their designed function unless complete. A step by step transformation from scale to feather makes a nice story but "the devil is in the details". And the details simply do not add up to a workable intermediate creature. The building blocks of scales and feathers aren't even the same-they are made from different types of protein!
   3. Many recent dinosaur to bird "links" are "dated" between 120-140 million years. Yet archaeopteryx (which exhibits all the characteristics of a fully formed bird) is "dated" at 150 million years. Alan Feduccia, a world authority on birds (and evolutionist) states, "Paleontologist have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth-bound, feathered dinosaur. But it's not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that."

University of Kansas paleontologist Larry Martin sums up the presentation of this dinosaur to bird fossils best: "You have to put this into perspective. To the people who wrote this paper, (linking dinosaurs to birds) the chicken would be a feathered dinosaur."

Those who reject the possibility of the sudden appearance of birds have no other alternative than to accept the inadequate evidence for evolution. However, the actual evidence for evolution does not support that this ever happened. Evolution is the only alternative (creation by God) has been arbitrarily eliminated.

Rather than blindly accepting the latest evolutionary find, dig into the details and determine if real science proves that reptiles could have turned into birds or lifeless chemicals could have ever "come alive". An honest scientist will follow the data wherever it leads-even if it leads to an encounter with a personal creator.
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