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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2008, 08:12:57 PM »

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2008, 09:28:37 PM »
Again, the speed of light is a constant when there is nothing in it's way (this is a vacuum).  So the answer is it IS a constant...until it hits something.  In this case, if we're talking about space, dark matter refracts light, which is how we know it's there.  Wait...where are we going with this?

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2008, 09:43:21 PM »
If a bear craps in the woods and no is there to step in it, is it still crap?
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2008, 09:53:43 PM »
If a bear craps in the woods and no is there to step in it, is it still crap?

There is a fascinating documentary about dung that I think everyone should see at least once n their life.
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2008, 11:32:28 PM »
There is a fascinating documentary about dung that I think everyone should see at least once n their life.

Sounds crappy....
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2008, 11:42:20 PM »
Sounds crappy....

The dung beetle documentary is a laught riot!
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2008, 11:12:09 AM »
Again, the speed of light is a constant when there is nothing in it's way (this is a vacuum).  So the answer is it IS a constant...until it hits something.  In this case, if we're talking about space, dark matter refracts light, which is how we know it's there.  Wait...where are we going with this?
Now that is impressive, your the only one in the universe that KNOWS dark matter is there. A bit ironic that you believe in something that is invisible and unprovable Yet, you know its there.
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2008, 04:06:02 AM »
Now that is impressive, your the only one in the universe that KNOWS dark matter is there. A bit ironic that you believe in something that is invisible and unprovable Yet, you know its there.

you've not heard of dark matter, mark? i have and i haven't even cared enough to actually research it. i learned it at school. surprising huh? there are more people that know what it is then you think.
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2008, 05:48:07 AM »
Sort of sounds like religion doesn't it?

Now that is impressive, your the only one in the universe that KNOWS dark matter is there. A bit ironic that you believe in something that is invisible and unprovable Yet, you know its there.

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2008, 08:13:53 AM »
Very funny, DN. But I don't think astrophysicists worship dark matter.  Hellbent on trying to figure out what exactly it is, yes. 
I guess this will be last post, since the questions are answered by sarcastic comments which lead to more questions and comments...it's a horrible circle, almost like arguing with a child.
That being said, I do not know many people who try to say that dark matter doesn't exist, let alone bend light. 
From what I've read, several people on this post are either teenagers or haven't found any good argument, so they use some strange circular reasoning. 

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2008, 09:11:14 PM »
Reword it:
Now that is impressive, your the only one in the universe that KNOWS God is there. A bit ironic that you believe in something that is invisible and unprovable Yet, you know its there.

Very funny, DN. But I don't think astrophysicists worship dark matter.  Hellbent on trying to figure out what exactly it is, yes. 
I guess this will be last post, since the questions are answered by sarcastic comments which lead to more questions and comments...it's a horrible circle, almost like arguing with a child.
That being said, I do not know many people who try to say that dark matter doesn't exist, let alone bend light. 
From what I've read, several people on this post are either teenagers or haven't found any good argument, so they use some strange circular reasoning. 

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2008, 09:52:07 PM »
You think I'm the only one that knows God is there? Wrong again.
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2008, 11:17:11 PM »
your faith tells you god is there. you believe he is there, and so he is there. that's what faith is. it's an unquestioning belief that something exists weather it can be proved or not. once you start questioning your faith, your belief in god will change. the way you see things around you will change.
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2008, 02:49:24 PM »
Its proven to me everyday!
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2008, 03:20:28 PM »
how? by faith?..
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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2008, 04:54:19 PM »
The fact that we are arguing on here shows that we are all searching for the truth. We are searching for what is right or wrong, because we have what is called a conscience! One of the many questions left unanswered by evolution is how man's conscience could have developed. How could ideas of right and wrong have developed by evolutionary process? If we evolved, ideas of right and wrong must have also evolved with us. Therefore, a conscience, that is a knowledge of right and wrong, must have some intrinsic survival value. But does it? In a struggle for survival, will the existence of a conscience help or hinder one's survival? An evolving person without a conscience would be free to covet belongings, steal other possessions, and even kill another person without guilt. A man with a conscience is hesitating and soul searching. Where is the individual having the conscience? The conscience serves as a detriment to survival, not a mechanism which increases an individual's ability to survive. Unless.... the universe has been created by God who has established inherent values of right and wrong, it would seem there is no survival value to the development of a conscience. To summarize, according to the evolutionary principle of survival of the fittest, a loving human with a conscience is at a great disadvantage and would have been unlikely to have survived the evolutionary process. From a humanist viewpoint, attributes of the conscience (such as self sacrifice purely for the good of others) are weakness. Yet, it is these very attributes which makes us humans and not animals. No person has ever lived who has not violated his conscience in some way. Every person has fallen short of what God expects from us-obedience. So how do we make up for our disobedience to the One that put the standard on our soul? The Bible is very clear that God has provided a means of forgiveness through the loving sacrifice of himself as payment for our sins. It is as if the judge at a trial took the penalty for a crime upon himself. Once we have accepted His forgiveness, we can truly start to live out sacrificial love, even toward those who hate us. What an illogical concept if evolution is true, or there is no God!
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2008, 04:57:06 PM »
by the sun coming up everyday. there are miracles occuring daily around you. just look a little closer.

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2008, 05:05:02 PM »
by the sun coming up everyday. there are miracles occuring daily around you. just look a little closer.

yes there are miracles that happen every day. i do not deny it. i view creationism and evolution along the same lines.. one could not be without the other.. kind of like the chicken and the egg. i, personally, believe in the gods.. they aren't your gods, but they are still there. ever present. 
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2008, 12:22:05 AM »
Creation and evolution cannot coexist.
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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2008, 11:26:07 AM »
Creation and evolution cannot coexist.

we were created by something and evolved from that.. how is it not possible for them to coexist?
it is what i believe. it is what others believe. 
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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2008, 12:29:06 PM »
Created as what?  Evolved from when?  What's the something?
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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2008, 12:35:15 PM »
Created as what?  Evolved from when?  What's the something?

primordial soup. micro organisms. it all has to start somewhere right?
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« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2008, 01:11:37 PM »
I'll bump the "monkey" thread for you.
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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2008, 06:53:58 PM »
God created the chicken

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2008, 05:34:09 AM »
God created the chicken

but was the egg created before the chicken? the chicken had to have hatched from something in order to be right? and if not, then why does the chicken need the egg now?
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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2008, 12:10:34 PM »
I think Adam was like a 20 year old man when God created him. Not sure how old the chicken was.
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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2008, 01:53:42 AM »
God created the chicken, the egg came later. read Genesis.
 
It doesn't make sense to have an unfertilized egg.

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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2008, 02:04:28 AM »
God created the chicken, the egg came later. read Genesis.
 
It doesn't make sense to have an unfertilized egg.

for the sake of arguement, i don't think the chicken came first. to me it doesn't make sense to have the chicken before the egg. God could have put the already fertilized egg here, and the chicken hatched from that. to me that makes more sense.
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« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2008, 02:19:01 AM »
eggs don't hatch by themselves. you need a chicken to set on it. maybe read up on animal reproduction a little?

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Re: Stanley Miller
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2008, 02:50:51 AM »
Evolution is the mutation of genes.  Winged dinosaurs mutated to form feathers.  From feathers they moved started shrinking in size.  The Chicken is the offspring of several million years of genetic mutations that have mated and produced what we now know as chickens. 
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