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MAGIC, SCIENCE, and GREAT MYSTERIES
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      The best kept secret of a magician is to get the observer to eliminate the obvious while focusing on the illusion. For instance, the magician will display empty hands or an ordinary scarf before putting something back into his hand (which you assume is still empty) or switching to a trick scarf (which you assume is still ordinary). His skill as a magician depends upon getting the observer to disregard the correct answer so that the mystery remains. Believers in evolution use the same method as they present students with only the natural possibilities for the appearance and advancement of life, while hiding the evidence for creation.
      Magazines occasionally publish lists of "great mysteries" U.S. News and World Report devoted the cover story of the 8/18/97 issue to 18 "Great Science Mysteries". Yet, most of these mysteries simply disappear if we assume the Bible is true. They are only mysteries if the correct answer has been eliminated before starting the investigation.
      One of these "great mysteries" was titled, "Is there life on other planets?" Most biochemists know the answer to this question, but they have been trained not to consider the obvious. Life is far too complex to have developed by natural processes. The information inherent within any living cell requires direct intervention from an outside intelligence (God). Furthermore, even with billions of dollars and thousands of scientists attempting to produce life using purified chemicals and sophisticated laboratory equipment, not one scientist has come remotely close to producing a living organism from a mixture of chemicals. Yet we are being led to believe that it happens by random processes all over the universe.
      Another "mystery" was - "How old is the universe?" No dating method is 100% reliable because all are based on unprovable assumptions. However, the vast majority of dating methods indicate that the earth is thousands, not billions, of years old. A straight-forward reading of Scripture would also indicate that the earth has only been around for about 6000 years. A thorough understanding of dating methods shows this to be a perfectly reasonable scientific position. Dr. Russell Humphreys, a highly regarded Ph.D. theoretical physicist who recently retired from Sandia National Laboratories, has mathematically demonstrated how Einstein's theory of relativity explains why the universe " looks" billions of years old, yet could have been created quite recently.
      Science cannot even explain why both males and females exist. This is because evolutionists assume that all life came from a sexless single-celled organism. Evolution cannot explain why (or how) this cell could have turned into two radically different types of creatures (male and female) and how these creatures miraculously 'found' each other. Again, the Biblical answer is obvious and straight forward. Sex was created by God and no creature other than a woman can provide a suitable mate for a man.
      Yet, another of the scientific mysteries was "what caused the ice ages?" Creationists have demonstrated for years that the worldwide flood was accompanied by massive volcanism and increased ocean water temperature. This would have caused both the massive destruction of life (which we find as fossils all over the world) and greatly increased evaporation rates. The increased evaporation and volcanic cloud cover would have caused a buildup of snow in northern latitudes. The inevitable consequence of this, in any global climate model, would have been an ice age lasting for centuries.
      Almost all of the other "mysteries" also disappear when one applies a straight forward Biblical world view. They are only mysteries when, like the magician preparing an audience for a magic trick, the correct answer has been eliminated from consideration before the investigation begins.
                             
                                                                                                                 -Bruce Malone
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
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Re: MAGIC, SCIENCE, and GREAT MYSTERIES
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 12:47:39 PM »
do you not see the irony in what you just posted?
 
most peope who believe in the bible do not deny the existance of "magic" in the world. most will scream of "harry potter" being evil and whatnot.
 
yet you just compared the "illusion" of magic to evolution in an attempt to show that evolution is not real, and in turn discredited your religion.
 
feeling a little blasphemous today, are we?
 
maybe you should think these things through before you copy and paste them from some idiots website, as some people on this site actually think about what they read, not just take it at face value.
 
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Re: MAGIC, SCIENCE, and GREAT MYSTERIES
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 03:17:04 PM »
Who's being close minded?
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Re: MAGIC, SCIENCE, and GREAT MYSTERIES
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 03:42:08 PM »
Who's being close minded?

 
Hmmm....  you?   Or are you implying that I called you close-minded?  I can't recall using the term today.  Simple minded, yes.
 
Let's see.  Close-minded: Refusing to consider something different then what you believe is true.
 
That can not describe me, seeing as I have not always considered myself an athiest. It's something that came with age. So it's safe to say I have "considered" the possabilities. 
 
And I hate to bring it up again (nah, not really), but you continue to provide scientific alternative's for beliefs you already hold to be true.  What is the point of this?  No one here is trying to convert you into an athiest, yet you are continually standing on your soapbox and yelling to the sky.   I might add, that everything I have seen you post is a a cut and paste from this Bruce Malone person, whom I assume is your new found hero because he sounds smart and agrees with you.
 
Have you ever tried speaking for yourself? Do you not have the faith in your own convictions to think for yourself and make your own arguement?
 
.You dont need a brain to believe in god, merely a heart........ have you ever considered the idea that god is not real? and if so, what convinced you otherwise?  since we are on the subject of closed minds...
 
 

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Re: MAGIC, SCIENCE, and GREAT MYSTERIES
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 03:58:07 PM »
I know as an atheist, it might be difficult for you to understand how someone might want to help others to see the truth, but that is my intent. And no I cannot articulate as well as a professional author or a PhD.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
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Re: MAGIC, SCIENCE, and GREAT MYSTERIES
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 04:20:50 PM »
It is not your job, nor your business to try and convert anyone. Whose truth, yours? Don't say the Christian Religion, as you don't nor can you speak for the entire religion, because the christian religion is so diverse. So basically you are trying to get people to convert to your version of the Christian religion, or how your church defines it. Again, that is not your job or postion. If you want to do that, become an ordained minister, open your own church, and preach there to your followers, but I am a Christian, and totally disagree with many of your religious view points. Does not make me a heathen, and I know I am not going to hell, but none the less I am a christian. And I do not feel I have any right to push my beliefs onto others, nor am I closed minded enough to believe my way is the only possible way. I faith is strong enough that i don't have to keep shoving it down others throats, as a way of making me feel better about my doubts as you do.
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Re: MAGIC, SCIENCE, and GREAT MYSTERIES
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 04:41:14 PM »
 So who are you to tell me that its not my job?   And to the witches please take the backward spell off of Taz he's starting to get on my nerves.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 05:00:38 PM »
  "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in Heaven"  Mat. 10-32
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 05:11:23 PM »
  "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in Heaven"  Mat. 10-32
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.


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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2008, 05:25:55 PM »
Now you think you know my heart?  You need to stay out of the witch store and away from the crystal ball. It doesn't really work Taz.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2008, 05:27:33 PM »
I think it is time for you to take your meds Mark. Don't forget the green pill this time
 
All I did was the same as you did, took a passage out of the bible. Did not say it was about you, but aparently your conscience felt it was.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2008, 08:51:48 PM »
Good living through chemistry.  The wonderful world of lithium.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 12:22:09 AM »
 Careful mark, you can't just quote one line from the bible!
  "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in Heaven"  Mat. 10-32

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 01:22:40 AM »
I do believe that in the bible, they used many of the same techniques as witches.  Many of the authors of the bible scryed for the information from God.  One whole book of the bible is a big dream interpretation sequence.  They also cast stones (Runes).  They contacted spirits that had moved on.  Hmmm, if it doesn't work then I guess that would make the bible wrong???
Now you think you know my heart?  You need to stay out of the witch store and away from the crystal ball. It doesn't really work Taz.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2008, 01:35:42 AM »
someone explain this mystery, the settlers came from england, later all over the world. how did we get all these accents? southern drawls, massachusettes speaks for itself etc.. get around some of us michiganders ,minnesotans,wisconsonites and you won't understand a word said.

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2008, 01:37:58 AM »
I do believe that in the bible, they used many of the same techniques as witches.  Many of the authors of the bible scryed for the information from God.  One whole book of the bible is a big dream interpretation sequence.  They also cast stones (Runes).  They contacted spirits that had moved on.  Hmmm, if it doesn't work then I guess that would make the bible wrong???
  If you wouldn't mind then silva I would sure like the lottery numbers for tomorrow nights powerball!
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2008, 01:42:57 AM »
you will just have to wait like the rest of us. divination doesn't work like that.
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2008, 05:40:08 AM »
I grow bored with mark....  it's like argueing with a child about thier imaginary friend....
 
 
 
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2008, 09:35:48 AM »
 That's the usual response from all the atheists and demonically possessed people on here when they can't put up a good argument they always say "Mark sucks"
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2008, 11:40:22 AM »
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I never suggested that you "suck"...  i was merely stating that you are a little repetative with your responses..    and i might also point out that you are rather quick to start the name calling.
 
"demonically possessed people"....  hilarious.   
 
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