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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #90 on: September 29, 2008, 06:57:36 PM »

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wow that's just dumb coyote.. have you ever been to one of those events? ah well.. doesn't matter, i doubt you would let yourself enjoy it since it is "un-american"

have you ever dressed up for holloween? or had your kids dress up? go trick or treating perhaps?

there is no difference between dressing up for holloween and dressing up for a ren fest or a ren styled ball. try learning about it and you just might find that it interests you. learning about the history of any part of the world seems pretty American to me. how else would we avoid ignorance and avoid reliving past mistakes? besides, it's fun. as far as i know, having fun is still American.
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« Reply #91 on: September 29, 2008, 07:07:35 PM »
Let me simplify....America is God's Country.

this country was founded to escape religious persecution.. it is no more God's country then it is a pagan one. there are many different beliefs here, not just one. besides, religion has nothing to do with this ball.
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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #92 on: September 29, 2008, 07:09:27 PM »
Oh yea?

How come?

Baseball, Football, fishing, canoing... are all more American than say...jousting.

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« Reply #93 on: September 29, 2008, 07:12:09 PM »
Baseball, Football, fishing, canoing... are all more American than say...jousting.

Fishing and Canoeing are American? What would the world have done without us. They must be really grateful we taught them how to fish. Fishing, as American as apple pie.
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« Reply #94 on: September 29, 2008, 07:26:28 PM »
THank you for thanking me, gahmah. I appreciate that.

Cowpoke you said what I was thinking but said it way better.  Thanks

They have the knight recreation in Waynesville at the park every year.  They joust.  No diferent only on a smaller scale.  Never heard any complaints about it.

So yeah coyote they do things like this in Waynesville.

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« Reply #95 on: September 29, 2008, 08:06:16 PM »
Silvanus - did you say, Kilts?  :wink1a: :{:{:
 
Too bad, I'll be at a dog show that weekend! :( It does sound like great fun and supports a great cause, too!

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« Reply #96 on: September 29, 2008, 08:28:44 PM »
I think adults should stop dressing up for adult Halloween parties.  It's a kids holiday to trick or treat.
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« Reply #97 on: September 29, 2008, 08:29:28 PM »
Ask the Native Americans.


Fishing and Canoeing are American? What would the world have done without us. They must be really grateful we taught them how to fish. Fishing, as American as apple pie.
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« Reply #98 on: September 29, 2008, 08:36:55 PM »
I think adults should stop dressing up for adult Halloween parties.  It's a kids holiday to trick or treat.

How are the adult women in regular clothes supposed to compete with the "kids" these days? The kids clothing is getting more whorish every year. Adult women need to substantially off-balance the whorishness of the "kids". One way to do this, is to dress at least twice as whorish as the "kids". So I consider it the motherly thing to do. If you care about your "kid" looking whorish, you would get super whorish to make your "kids" look wholesome. It's the right thing to do.
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« Reply #99 on: September 29, 2008, 08:39:33 PM »
Ask the Native Americans.

You think the Native Americans invented fishing and canoeing?
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« Reply #100 on: September 29, 2008, 08:41:18 PM »
You do have a point there.  Mothers need to police up their kids outfits..not just on halloween.  I agree completely with you in that regard.


How are the adult women in regular clothes supposed to compete with the "kids" these days? The kids clothing is getting more whorish every year. Adult women need to substantially off-balance the whorishness of the "kids". One way to do this, is to dress at least twice as whorish as the "kids". So I consider it the motherly thing to do. If you care about your "kid" looking whorish, you would get super whorish to make your "kids" look wholesome. It's the right thing to do.
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« Reply #101 on: September 29, 2008, 08:42:08 PM »
I think adults should stop dressing up for adult Halloween parties.  It's a kids holiday to trick or treat.

O.o what's the fun in that? we aren't stealing their candy from them and we are keeping to ourselves.

How are the adult women in regular clothes supposed to compete with the "kids" these days? The kids clothing is getting more whorish every year. Adult women need to substantially off-balance the whorishness of the "kids". One way to do this, is to dress at least twice as whorish as the "kids". So I consider it the motherly thing to do. If you care about your "kid" looking whorish, you would get super whorish to make your "kids" look wholesome. It's the right thing to do.

if that's the case, might as well go nude.. but i would rather be modest and cover up.
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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #102 on: September 29, 2008, 08:44:22 PM »
Ask the Native Americans.


Dude, seriously?

I mean, seriously?



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« Reply #103 on: September 29, 2008, 08:44:37 PM »
if that's the case, might as well go nude.. but i would rather be modest and cover up.

You can't blame a man for trying. It's in our "nature".
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« Reply #104 on: September 29, 2008, 08:49:38 PM »
O.o what's the fun in that? we aren't stealing their candy from them and we are keeping to ourselves.
if that's the case, might as well go nude.. but i would rather be modest and cover up.
I like the idea about going nude, And every parent that i have ever known has stolen candy from there childerns candy bags under the pretext that we were checking to see if it was safe..... then we remove all our favorites. ((*(*&   :yahoo: :th_egypt:
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« Reply #105 on: September 29, 2008, 10:35:14 PM »
Ask the Native Americans.

If you are actually serious, you are out of your frickin mind. Ancient Egyptians were fishing long before slower witted Europeans, but even the English were fishing before Columbus ever discovered America. By the time of Jesus Christ, the Mediterranean Sea was already over-fished, and fish farms were invented clear back then to re-stock the Mediterranean.

And as for the Native Americans? Canoeing began in Canada and the Caribbean - not on US soil.

You could look it up. Just google for the history of fishing. Just google for the history of canoeing or boating.

There is a big wide world out there, and advanced civilizations flourished and fell, long before natives crossed the land bridge from Asia to this continent.

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« Reply #106 on: September 29, 2008, 10:43:52 PM »
I read that the oldest known canoe was found in Holland. It was close to 8500 years old.
 
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« Reply #107 on: September 30, 2008, 12:10:48 AM »
I think adults should stop dressing up for adult Halloween parties.  It's a kids holiday to trick or treat.
Here is a little history on Halloween for you Coyote.
This is borrowed from the History Channel:
  The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.
  To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.
  During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.
  By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.
  The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.
  By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.

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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2008, 12:36:50 AM »
So that's where I left it.
 
I read that the oldest known canoe was found in Holland. It was close to 8500 years old.
 
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« Reply #109 on: September 30, 2008, 03:45:53 AM »
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« Reply #110 on: September 30, 2008, 04:02:38 AM »
I'll ask you again...

How come?

Baseball, Football, fishing, canoing... are all more American than say...jousting.

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« Reply #111 on: September 30, 2008, 04:41:10 AM »
Hey, it's just me, Suzi


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« Reply #113 on: October 08, 2008, 02:17:23 PM »
Columbus didn't "discover" America...duh.

If you are actually serious, you are out of your frickin mind. Ancient Egyptians were fishing long before slower witted Europeans, but even the English were fishing before Columbus ever discovered America. By the time of Jesus Christ, the Mediterranean Sea was already over-fished, and fish farms were invented clear back then to re-stock the Mediterranean.

And as for the Native Americans? Canoeing began in Canada and the Caribbean - not on US soil.

You could look it up. Just google for the history of fishing. Just google for the history of canoeing or boating.

There is a big wide world out there, and advanced civilizations flourished and fell, long before natives crossed the land bridge from Asia to this continent.
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« Reply #114 on: October 08, 2008, 02:22:45 PM »
just some info for those of you who think the children in Jesus Camp are "brainwashed" and don't enjoy other facets of life.  Luke and Levi the boys in Jesus Camp went to a Rennaisance Fair in Kansas City this weekend.  How much more exposed to diversity can you get. So you can be a Christian and enjoy other things in this world.  You don't ignore the rest of the world you embrace it.  By the way, I'm still working on that!    :wink1a:
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« Reply #115 on: October 08, 2008, 02:24:26 PM »
I'm sure Columbus is not the first person to walk on the shores of America but remember " In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue"  he does get credit for it.  We all know the native Americans were here first.
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« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2008, 03:23:32 PM »
just some info for those of you who think the children in Jesus Camp are "brainwashed" and don't enjoy other facets of life.  Luke and Levi the boys in Jesus Camp went to a Rennaisance Fair in Kansas City this weekend.  How much more exposed to diversity can you get. So you can be a Christian and enjoy other things in this world.  You don't ignore the rest of the world you embrace it.  By the way, I'm still working on that!    :wink1a:

Rock on! i hope they enjoyed themselves. glad to see that crazy motivational speaker lady didn't get to them too much.
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« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2008, 03:49:36 PM »
They said they had a great time.    Becky isn't crazy either, she just places all her focus on God and how to show kids how important it is to stand up for your beliefs.  As she says the Muslims start training their children from a very early age to hate and destroy.  She wants people to start training kids from a very early age how to love God and stand up for Him.
Most people start training their kids, whether they know it or not, at an early age.  Children see parents smoking, they think it's OK to smoke.  They see parents drinking, they grow up thinking it is OK to drink (which by the way I think is OK in moderation, although I don't drink),
it is proven that if boys see they father beating their mother, they are more likely to be an abuser.  Could go on, but I'm sure you get the point.  Is that brainwashing?  Of course not, but it does set a pattern.  Becky is just trying to set a pattern.  Some of the kids at her camp will follow that pattern others won't.

But you are right, Luke and Levi, rock!!!   :th_thicon_super:
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« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2008, 04:28:27 PM »
Children see parents smoking, they think it's OK to smoke.  They see parents drinking, they grow up thinking it is OK to drink (which by the way I think is OK in moderation, although I don't drink),




getting off topic for a moment. in some cases you are right, but a lot of it also has to do with peer pressure and the child in question. i grew up in a house that had drinking and smoking. my grandfather smokes ciggarettes and drinks like a fish. my dad's side of teh family are also heavy drinkers. i can't stand the taste of alcohol nor do i desire to smoke. my sister is the same way. growing up, we certianly had our fair share of opportunities to try drugs, get into partying, take up smoking but we didn't. my brother on the other hand, he used to drink heavily on his days off (not sure if he still does), when he was with his ex-wife, he smoked. in highscool, he got involved with light drug use because of his friends. it's not always a case of they see mom and dad doing it so it must be ok. it's also a phase thing, the excitment of the possiblity of getting caught. and when the child is old enough for it to be legal, chances are they will stop their bad habits. but that isn't always the case either. and i am ranting now, so i am going to stop and find something else to do. :rant:
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« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2008, 06:14:38 PM »
You are right, it isn't always that way, my dad died of cirrosis (i know it is spelled wrong) my mom of lung cancer and I don't drink or smoke.  But in a lot of cases it is true. It's funny how two kids can grow up in the same house, one of them turns out to be a well adjusted tax paying citizen and the other turns out to be a drug using, non working, burden for the rest of our taxes to support.  Don't know how that happens but you are right, it does.
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