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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2008, 05:52:15 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2008, 06:14:49 PM »
Preach, have I been wrong all along about you.  I thought your were all for the Democrats being in power.  That's what the Democrats have always done, bail people out of trouble.  Didn't welfare get started under a Democratic president? 
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2008, 06:18:19 PM »
Actually welfare came to being under a Republican President.  Name of Nixon I believe.  Sorry to have to say that, but I believe that is when and under whom it happened.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2008, 06:19:57 PM »
I thought it was Johnson.  I am probably wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2008, 06:29:52 PM »
I* just looked on the internet and it apparently started in some form with FDR and the New Deal.  If you google in "when did welfare start."  It has changed a lot since then but that is where it got it's start. 

My mom used to always tell me (very staunch Democrat) that you "could starve to death with a Republican president or go to war with a Democrat"

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2008, 06:38:57 PM »
Preach, have I been wrong all along about you.  I thought your were all for the Democrats being in power.   

I am generally a fiscal conservative. I wouldn't mind trying some form of a universal healthcare system temporarily, but other than that I want responsible spending from the federal government. The only reason I wouldn't mind trying universal healthcare is because I hear that other countries collectively pay less for an equivalent healthcare system. I think it would be fine to try it, but if our healthcare system dwindles we should revert to our old system. I think it would help companies most. The U.S. automotive industry suffered a lot when the unions made them give everyone healthcare. If it were universal, everyone who could afford it would have to pay.
 
The only major issue I really agree with liberals on is abortion, gay rights, and drugs. Still, I believe being pro choice, pro gay marriage, and pro drug rights is a conservative stance. It is conservative to think the federal government doesn't have a right to impose on peoples personal lives.
 
As for "supporting" Obama. I don't really support him as much as I dislike all the slander and libel that has been going on. It bothers me when people keep saying he is a secret Muslim that hates America. I wish people could just stick to the legitimate issues. There are plenty of differences between McCain and Obama for everyone to make up their own minds. Neither of them are just right for my vote. I lean more towards Obama because Republicans aren't really fiscal conservatives anymore. Heck, they are darn near socialists now. Since they are both going to be socialists now, I might as well vote for the one with the best benefits for me.
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2008, 06:44:30 PM »
I think you all need a history lesson......................on

The History of welfare

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2008, 06:48:41 PM »
well, I guess we can agree to disagree on the abortion issue, I don't really care much about gay rights and drugs.  They are only hurting themselves.  I personally think marriage is between a man and a woman but, I don't hate people who choose otherwise.  And drugs, as long as they don't have children who are suffering because of their drug use, I don't care.

I'm glad you are fiscally conservative at least we can agree on that.   :th_thicon_super:
 
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2008, 06:49:58 PM »
Why do I need a lesson....it says the earliest form of welfare was during the depression and it was the New Deal started by FDR.  That's what I said.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 06:54:52 PM »
Why do I need a lesson....it says the earliest form of welfare was during the depression and it was the New Deal started by FDR.  That's what I said.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2008, 07:01:28 PM »
But.......then I researched and found the right answer, before you did I might add.    :poke:
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2008, 07:17:10 PM »
But.......then I researched and found the right answer, before you did I might add.    :poke:
No you didn't, I already knew the answer.
 I am glad you did research it, *but* maybe you should have done that first :crying:
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2008, 07:26:27 PM »
I didn't research that. You are probably correct about Nixon.  Welfare started with Rome after there were no more wars to conduct.  It became a welfare state and eventually collapsed.  Mine was only a guess and I guessed wrong.  Besides, I was giving blame to a republican instead of the  the never ending stream from the democrats.  Actually, I just don't care about welfare.  I was a caseworker here in Waynesville at one time.  I saw what it did to destroy lives and work ethic.  Many feel it is their absolute RIGHT to collect the funds each month and live off our largesse.
 
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2008, 08:19:57 PM »
There is another consideration with the New Deal - Fannie Mae.  FDR wasn't a bad guy or socialist for that matter.  He had a country bring back from some serious dire straits.  Fannie Mae ran on her own for about 30 years before Freddie Mac came along.  As a monopoly even.

Bottom line there, once the train left the station, it never went back.  Over the period of time it has required more and more fuel (population increases).  These "octane boosters" have come in the form of legislative "reforms" such as what we have here today.  But they aren't really octane boosters at all, they are merely placebos.

Preacher - that is why I can't support an experiment in healthcare reform.  Once the people get hooked, you can't go back.  It would be nice if it could.......but it can't.

When illegal immigrants can walk into a bank without a social security number - or at least a fake one, and buy a home or car there is a problem already.  When they can walk into a hospital and receive medical care the problem only becomes larger.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2008, 09:21:36 PM »
Preacher - that is why I can't support an experiment in healthcare reform.  Once the people get hooked, you can't go back.  It would be nice if it could.......but it can't.

When illegal immigrants can walk into a bank without a social security number - or at least a fake one, and buy a home or car there is a problem already.  When they can walk into a hospital and receive medical care the problem only becomes larger.

I would rather have people abusing the healthcare system than the banking system. At least healthcare is a necessity.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2008, 09:51:23 PM »
 :NANANANA: ono, name calling will get you nowhere you "dumb cootie boy"
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:NANANANA: ono, name calling will get you nowhere you "dumb cootie boy"
LOL your starting to come out of your shell arn't you LJ :wink1a: :th_gen129:  That was much better.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2008, 11:39:05 PM »
 :th_respect-059: Nah, don't think I'll start spouting out GS words anytime soon.  I've never been a woman's libber.
I don't think women should work, I think men should take care of me.  Unfortunately it has never
worked out that way but in "my perfect world" that's the way it would be.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2008, 12:19:52 AM »
I would rather have people abusing the healthcare system than the banking system. At least healthcare is a necessity.

That much I understand real well.  There are a lot of brilliant minds that the world will never know for that reason alone.

We are alot of things in America.  Free market, speech, etc, etc, etc.  The most important is Free Will.
  That is also scriptural (at least as far as christianity is concerned) and embedded in our cluture.

Free will doesn't work in a socialist, marxist, ehhhh you get it.  You have a lot of good ideas.  It took me a while to catch on to some of them.  Point being I am not god nor is anyone else on this board.  Debate is good.  Pontification is a word I have never understood.  Peace - have a good weekend.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2008, 12:28:25 AM »
One of my grand fathers was a farmer in Iowa.  I was adopted into the family.  Didn't know squat about farming, but knew that the elders in the group were people I needed to listen to.  My how our culture has changed.  But I digress on that thought track.

What was important (what I remember) is what he said about occupations and the American way.  He was two generations removed from the mother country.  If he had it to do over again, there would be two occupations he would have considered.  Doctor or mortician.  His first choice (farming) he would have chosen over and over again.  Plan b and c were simple.

"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2008, 12:13:28 PM »
The most expensive form of welfare is corporate welfare, also known as "Trickle down economics" It's very dangerous, since it gives Lobbyist for the multinational companies more control of our government than the citizens have.
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2008, 01:27:59 PM »
Got a question? A few months ago, we all got $600 from the government to stimulate the economy. We borrowed that money from other countries.
My question is this. Has there been any reports to show if we did a damn thing to help the economy, or did we just increase our dept to countries that hate us for nothing?
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2008, 05:21:13 PM »
The deficit is just mind numbing now.

There is no way the US can operate under 8 years of massive, unprecedented government growth.

The bureaucracy is larger now than ever.

The deficit at $11 trillion.

Massive unemployment.

Debt to China and the Middle East that your tax dollars pay off.

Conservatives seem so distracted by the silliest things, yet the core fundamentals of Conservatism have been stripped away and replaced by cronyism, government welfare to millionaires and corporations who take hundreds of billions in US taxpayer dollars and move their headquarters to the Caymans and the Middle East to avoid paying taxes.

Let's face it.  The Republicans have managed to turn the government into the largest welfare system in the world, replacing career government workers with three politically loyal bureaucrats, creating a bloated and top heavy  system where far too much money goes to salaries instead of programs.

They laugh and mock Liberals for wanting to help the poor, as if it is some great crime, yet watch as their own leaders fatten the wallets of millionaires, with taxpayer money, while the poor hold out their hands and become the object of mockery.

The number of top level Republican appointees, advisers and politicians who have been sent to federal prison for corruption is mind boggling, and the number would be much larger if they didn't stonewall every investigation into the corruption of the government and the politicization of non-partisan departments.

Loyalty tests! 

What next?

You party affiliation didn't used to matter when it came to the government, now its a prerequisite to being hired or fired!

And look where we are, on the edge of a massive meltdown.

For what?

WHat is the legacy of $11 trillion in spending that we didn't have?

Can you imagine how much good $11 trillion SHOULD do in America?

Now its just a debt to China and Middle Eastern countries.



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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2008, 05:28:57 PM »
You should be a politician, said a whole bunch and never answered my question
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 08:15:14 PM »
You should be a politician, said a whole bunch and never answered my question
But told the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2008, 02:11:35 AM »
the dems live by a double standard. pelosi pays her husband with pac money, dodd,frank,rangel etc. all made out with preferential treatment by companies being bailed out. william jefferson is still awaiting trial for corruption,yet ted stevens is in court now. no more mention of feinstein and the mil contracts she helped steer to her husbands construction company. at least the republicans are held accountable.  why not the dems?

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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2008, 05:08:44 AM »
I wouldn't say the dems live by a double standard. It is just certain individuals that live by double standards. They exist in all aspects of life.
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2008, 10:03:59 AM »
We got in trouble because we are in debt. Then the stock market gets into trouble because we can't pay the debt. So we give the stock market money, so credit will stay easy to get. That way people can barrow more money.

I once had a dog that chased his tail till he fell over, but I never felt a need to prolong his tail chasing because I knew he would still fall down.
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

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Re: Welcome to the USSA
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2008, 02:44:58 PM »
corruption and easy credit. let's see how this oversight pans out.