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    Christianity is a faith based on real events which really happened in time and space. It is not a mystical faith based on good feelings. The miracles of Jesus were His calling card; i.e., the validation of His claim to be God. The resurrection was His proof of identification. Even more importantly, the death and resurrection of Jesus were God's method for sinful mankind to stand forgiven before Him. God's nature demands payment for wrongdoing, yet He is merciful beyond comprehension. How can these two contrasting sides of God be reconciled?
    Without acknowledgment of the factual nature of the resurrection, Christianity is nothing but smoke and mirrors; just another spiritual attempt to explain reality based on man's opinion. The two most prevalent attempts to explain away Christ's resurrection will be examined in this article. In spite of the obvious historical accuracy of the Bible, there have been many alternative explanations for the missing body of Christ. Liberal theologians have even speculated that Christ's body ended up in a ditch. Yet, Jewish laws would never have allowed this.
    The most popular excuse for rejecting Christianity is the idea that Christ did not really die on the cross. Although this has been suggested in recent years, rational thinking will discard this idea as pure nonsense. The very idea of a man reviving after he has been brutally beaten, nailed to a cross, pierced with a spear, and tightly wrapped with a suffocating cloth is ridiculous. For such a person to push aside a huge stone and sneak past trained guards is ludicrous. Even more remarkable was the effect the appearance of Jesus had on His disciples. They were transformed from a group of sniveling cowards into men who traveled the world, preaching that Jesus was God and had risen from the dead. Because of their message, all but John died horrible deaths of torture. Merely changing their story would have spared them this persecution. They had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose if their story wasn't true. Would a half-dead Jesus, who had dragged Himself from the tomb to their doorstep, have inspired this response?
    The second attack on reality has been around since before the moment of resurrection -- the idea that the disciples stole the body. The religious leaders who had Jesus murdered, feared this possibility and took the logical precautions to prevent this from happening. The sealed tomb was guarded day and night. How could a group of "rag tag" Jewish fishermen have overpowered a group of highly trained and motivated guards? How could they have moved a huge stone and sneaked away with the body unseen and unheard? The very fact that guards were posted adds credibility to the fact of the resurrection. If any of the details reported in the Bible were false; they would have been successfully refuted by the Jewish leaders. Although they tried, they were unsuccessful in their attempt to discredit the facts of the resurrection. Evidence for the truth of the resurrection was apparent to the thousands who converted to Christianity soon after the event. The rapid spread of this persecuted faith is perhaps the greatest evidence of its reality. The facts of the resurrection were checked by converts of that day and led to changed lives. They still do today.
    Christianity has nothing to fear from those honestly searching for the truth. It is based on logical evidence surrounding real events in time and space, not mystical faith based on good feelings.
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We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
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Re: HISTORY VALIDATES THE RESURRECTION
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 01:45:48 AM »
Or it just never happened. That is most likely. Why should I believe any part of the story?
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 12:49:16 PM »
Is that GWAR schooling Jesus at some hoops.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 01:05:09 PM »
 Nice cut and paste, where did you find it?  I'd be careful with the statement "the validation of His claim to be God" that doesn't go very well with a monotheistic religion. The God of the old testament is very serious about having no god but him. If I remember correctly that is the unforgivable sin.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 03:47:59 PM »
no it idsn't re read the bible and you'll find the unforgivable sin. you can be forgiven for breaking a commandment.

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 04:24:35 PM »
    Christianity is a faith based on real events which really happened in time and space. It is not a mystical faith based on good feelings. The miracles of Jesus were His calling card; i.e., the validation of His claim to be God. The resurrection was His proof of identification. Even more importantly, the death and resurrection of Jesus were God's method for sinful mankind to stand forgiven before Him. God's nature demands payment for wrongdoing, yet He is merciful beyond comprehension. How can these two contrasting sides of God be reconciled?
    Without acknowledgment of the factual nature of the resurrection, Christianity is nothing but smoke and mirrors; just another spiritual attempt to explain reality based on man's opinion. The two most prevalent attempts to explain away Christ's resurrection will be examined in this article. In spite of the obvious historical accuracy of the Bible, there have been many alternative explanations for the missing body of Christ. Liberal theologians have even speculated that Christ's body ended up in a ditch. Yet, Jewish laws would never have allowed this.
    The most popular excuse for rejecting Christianity is the idea that Christ did not really die on the cross. Although this has been suggested in recent years, rational thinking will discard this idea as pure nonsense. The very idea of a man reviving after he has been brutally beaten, nailed to a cross, pierced with a spear, and tightly wrapped with a suffocating cloth is ridiculous. For such a person to push aside a huge stone and sneak past trained guards is ludicrous. Even more remarkable was the effect the appearance of Jesus had on His disciples. They were transformed from a group of sniveling cowards into men who traveled the world, preaching that Jesus was God and had risen from the dead. Because of their message, all but John died horrible deaths of torture. Merely changing their story would have spared them this persecution. They had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose if their story wasn't true. Would a half-dead Jesus, who had dragged Himself from the tomb to their doorstep, have inspired this response?
    The second attack on reality has been around since before the moment of resurrection -- the idea that the disciples stole the body. The religious leaders who had Jesus murdered, feared this possibility and took the logical precautions to prevent this from happening. The sealed tomb was guarded day and night. How could a group of "rag tag" Jewish fishermen have overpowered a group of highly trained and motivated guards? How could they have moved a huge stone and sneaked away with the body unseen and unheard? The very fact that guards were posted adds credibility to the fact of the resurrection. If any of the details reported in the Bible were false; they would have been successfully refuted by the Jewish leaders. Although they tried, they were unsuccessful in their attempt to discredit the facts of the resurrection. Evidence for the truth of the resurrection was apparent to the thousands who converted to Christianity soon after the event. The rapid spread of this persecuted faith is perhaps the greatest evidence of its reality. The facts of the resurrection were checked by converts of that day and led to changed lives. They still do today.
    Christianity has nothing to fear from those honestly searching for the truth. It is based on logical evidence surrounding real events in time and space, not mystical faith based on good feelings.

how is Christianity persecuted? no one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to convert. no one is telling you your beliefs are wrong. no one is waging a crusade against your faith killing of hundreds of "believers" because someone got scared and found Christianity as a scape goat. quit trying to act like a victim. and quit copy and pasting all your posts without siting your resources. it makes you look dumb.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2008, 04:28:46 PM »
 You are who to talk to me like that? Oh yea a 25 year old mixed up kid who thinks she's a witch.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2008, 04:52:13 PM »
no one is telling you your beliefs are wrong.

I have been telling everyone their beliefs are wrong. Even people that believe what I believe. I try not to discriminate.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2008, 04:59:05 PM »
You are who to talk to me like that? Oh yea a 25 year old mixed up kid who thinks she's a witch.

mixed up? get over yourself. i know who i am, i do not claim to be a witch. i am a pagan. i believe in duel deity and balance. i believe in mother earth. i believe all life should be respected and honored. i believe in karma. i don't believe others should go shoving their beliefs in other peoples faces just because "their god is better" or "they have a book that tells them god is real". faith comes from the heart, not a book. and i will say what i please, i respect my elders when they show me respect in return. you have done no such thing, there fore, i shall talk to you how i please.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2008, 05:08:43 PM »
So you think that you have the right to say what you please, but I (twice your age) don't?
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2008, 05:17:43 PM »
So you think that you have the right to say what you please, but I (twice your age) don't?

You need to find another outlet for your persecution and inferiority complexes. 

Perhaps feeding the poor or preaching to the poor.

Imagine how many people you could have helped in the time you spend online!

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2008, 05:25:04 PM »
So you think that you have the right to say what you please, but I (twice your age) don't?

everyone is entitled to say their piece, but if you post info from someone else without siting them, that is plagiarism. it is you taking credit for their work. and crying about your faith and how no one will convert to your way of thinking makes you look like a spoiled child.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2008, 05:47:46 PM »
 Unlike your goofy world;  Christians, and Creation Scientists encourage the sharing, and copying of information without the threat of suing each other. We are all fighting the same fight. (The Good Fight)
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2008, 05:49:51 PM »
Unlike your goofy world;  Christians, and Creation Scientists encourage the sharing, and copying of information without the threat of suing each other. We are all fighting the same fight. (The Good Fight)

What do you DO that is Christian, besides SAYING you are one, over and over?
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2008, 06:02:32 PM »
Unlike your goofy world;  Christians, and Creation Scientists encourage the sharing, and copying of information without the threat of suing each other. We are all fighting the same fight. (The Good Fight)

that won't hold up in  court of law. it's still illegal. or do laws not apply to you because you follow the bible?
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2008, 06:07:51 PM »
If you publish someone elses writing without attributing the source, you violate the copyright law of this country. Am I mistaken in thinking that your god and your good book teach you to obey the law? (render unto Caesar? 1 Peter 2:12-17?)

You have been reading too much of your good buddy Dr. Dino, who apparently thinks this biblical admonition doesn't apply to him.

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2008, 08:16:59 PM »
  Say whatever you want but you can't take away the fact that we have the "resurrection' to back our religion! And you have nothing more than a  feeling. (a fallible human feeling)
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2008, 08:29:55 PM »
  Say whatever you want but you can't take away the fact that we have the "resurrection' to back our religion! And you have nothing more than a  feeling. (a fallible human feeling)

Your every post proves you merely use Christianity to prop yourself above all others, as if you are someone special because you claim to be a Christian.

I ask again, name the things you DO in the name of Christianity?

Do you feed the hungry?
Do you give shelter to the homeless?
Do you DO anything at all in the name of Christianity for your fellow man?

Cuz all I see is a lot of yakkity yak, my religion is better than all others, we are superior, we are the best, everything in the Bible is right,
everyone else is wrong, yadda yadda yadda.

What does your religion do other than inflate your sense of superiority over all others?
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2008, 08:45:46 PM »
It isn't right to talk about what you do.

Your every post proves you merely use Christianity to prop yourself above all others, as if you are someone special because you claim to be a Christian.

I ask again, name the things you DO in the name of Christianity?

Do you feed the hungry?
Do you give shelter to the homeless?
Do you DO anything at all in the name of Christianity for your fellow man?

Cuz all I see is a lot of yakkity yak, my religion is better than all others, we are superior, we are the best, everything in the Bible is right,
everyone else is wrong, yadda yadda yadda.

What does your religion do other than inflate your sense of superiority over all others?
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2008, 08:56:48 PM »
  Say whatever you want but you can't take away the fact that we have the "resurrection' to back our religion! And you have nothing more than a  feeling. (a fallible human feeling)

you have a fable, a story, a myth. jesus might have existed, but i doubt he was the great mystical man you believe him to be. he was a man. a MAN. again, you are putting your faith into the bible.. not god. you are puting your belief into a book of stories. the book of stories is not your god. the book of stories is nothing more then guidelines for how you should live. nothing more. it does not prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that god exists. i know the gods exist. i see them every day. i see them in the face of my husband when he smiles at me. i hear them in the laughter of children and in the rain that falls from the sky. they are in the plants that grow from the earth and the earth itself. they are in kindness and compasion. they are in the wind and in my heart beat. i don't need a book to prove to me they exist. i have faith.
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   It is possible that I have more kindness and compassion than you think. Maybe, I think its better to hurt someones feelings a little than to see them missing out on eternal life, and the beauty of knowing God.
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2008, 09:58:27 PM »
what you fail to realize, mark, is that i know god's love. just not the christian god. i never said you weren't compassionate or kind. i don't know you well enough to say that. what i am saying is that you follow a book blindly. you put your faith and your stock in a collection of stories. you have no right to judge anyone based on that.
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2008, 11:01:16 PM »
Yes.  Jesus gets owned.

Is that GWAR schooling Jesus at some hoops.

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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 11:41:00 PM »
   It is possible that I have more kindness and compassion than you think. Maybe, I think its better to hurt someones feelings a little than to see them missing out on eternal life, and the beauty of knowing God.

More talk.

If all it takes is to be a jerk to non-believers until you bully or force them to belive in Christianity, the Bible would be a lot shorter.

So tell us, what do you DO, besides TALK, to help your fellow man?
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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2008, 11:43:49 PM »
What does your age have to do with anything?

Age does not automatically justify your stance on anything. 

HOW you have lived your life is more important than how long you have lived your life.

So you think that you have the right to say what you please, but I (twice your age) don't?

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2008, 01:43:06 AM »
since when is it a requirement for christians to help others? only christians "have" to help the less fortunate?

I don't think those recieving the help care what religion the helpers are, I don't either. Kindness should be something we should all participate in to help those in need. and you don't need to tell anyone what you do or did to help someone. it is just the right thing to do.

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Re: HISTORY VALIDATES THE RESURRECTION
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2008, 03:02:05 AM »
You mean... Christianity is not the source of all morality?  I thought that you thought that your Bible was the source of morality...

Why is it different now?

since when is it a requirement for christians to help others? only christians "have" to help the less fortunate?

I don't think those recieving the help care what religion the helpers are, I don't either. Kindness should be something we should all participate in to help those in need. and you don't need to tell anyone what you do or did to help someone. it is just the right thing to do.

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Re: HISTORY VALIDATES THE RESURRECTION
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2008, 03:04:32 AM »
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I don't think those recieving the help care what religion the helpers are, I don't either. Kindness should be something we should all participate in to help those in need. and you don't need to tell anyone what you do or did to help someone. it is just the right thing to do.
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Re: HISTORY VALIDATES THE RESURRECTION
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2008, 03:25:47 AM »
It may appear to you that your religion has validity because of the resurrection, but Paganism also has resurrection stories. There was a Goddess that went to the underworld and returned after three days. And then there was Persephone who went to the underworld for the three winter months and returned to the living world in the spring. I guess many divine beings died and were resurrected.
If Jesus were alive today and everything was as it currently is, what would Jesus be considered? Here is a man that walks around and heals people with his hands. He probably isn't going to be considered a Jew or a Christian. He would either be locked up in a mental institute or called a witch. Here is some reasoning for the last statement (not that this is correct, but to make you stop and think) http://www.foxygoddess.com/articles/jcwitch.htm
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