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On Political Education - Where else has this happened?
« on: October 14, 2008, 02:50:53 PM »

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"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
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Re: On Political Education - Where else has this happened?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 03:37:42 PM »
Uhhh.  Germany in the 1930's?  Conditioning our children to accept him already.

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 03:49:46 PM »
That's so disturbing, it brought tears.  All the parents should complain, although it probably won't do any good.  When my daughter was in the 4th grade, one of their reading books had a little story (with pictures) about how this woman and her kids (african-american) got evicted from their house for not paying the rent and the police (white and in full regatta) put all their stuff on the curb.  Her mom sat on the heap and cried not knowing what to do, but lo and behold a rich man (african-american) in a big fancy car (red convertible) wearing a gold watch saw them and gave her mom the money she needed for the rent.  He said, "Stay strong mama." and drove away leaving them happy and them and the landlord (white and old) carting the stuff back into the house.  I hit the ceiling, but her teacher (white and liberal) said well, there are a lot of kids in this area who find themselves in that situation and they need to know there's hope.  ?????  What?  That a pimp "pays" their mom for no reason?  THEY NEED TO STAY OUT OF TEXT BOOKS AND EDUCATION!!!
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 03:50:52 PM »
There certainly appears to have been a lot of money thrown into the indoctrination hasn't there?

I finally found a copy of the Obama youth thing in KC over the weekend.  Most of them have been pulled.  Scary stuff dude.  The kids don't have a clue.
"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
Cited by Ronald Lacey in "The Kingdom:  Arabia and the House of Saud"

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Re: On Political Education - Where else has this happened?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 04:17:48 PM »
What is the context of the inclusion of Obama in the book?

Is it the same type of indoctrination that Palin will push for in our public schools, the one where Jesus rode a Pteradon to work each morning?

What is actually said about Obama in it?

And its a literature book, right, not a history book?

Perhaps all of Bush's troubles with simple English and inability to cite a single text he actually read soured the publishers from including him in it?

Who else is included in the (at least) 830 book of indoctrination?

There must be plenty of other authors that are being used to pervert our children's minds in Racine.

Where's the outrage in including them and not McCain or Cheney in this literature book?

Or are we running out of fake outrage to actually think this one out?
"There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God almighty Himself hates with you, too. Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side." - Kurt Vonnegut

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 04:45:20 PM »
No fake outrage to anything I post dude.  If you would pay attention I said in the original post I didn't know what to think of it.

This is a public school.  The books HAVE to have been ordered by an administrator of some kind.  What was the motivation there?

The speculation on what Palin might do is laughable at best.

My point in the post was simple and subtle - looks like taxpayer's dollars are being spent on political gain. 

Take Advertising 101.

The indoctrination issues are secondary, but very real none-the-less.  Read some of the text books the kids are working with today.  Absolutely horrible some of them are.  And the majority of them, at least in social studies and history are based on one world ideology.

Seriously, pick up an elementary history or social studies book and tell me what you think.
"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
Cited by Ronald Lacey in "The Kingdom:  Arabia and the House of Saud"

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 04:50:34 PM »
Yeah, ask Dubya and his mother and brother about indoctrinating school children using taxpayer money while yer at it.

Aim some fake outrage at their actions to take taxpayer money and make a rich family richer.

Moo, m'kay?

Indoctrination indeed.

You are every advertiser for Rush and FauxNews' wettest dream, because you eat up their fake news "stories" and pass it along like its gospel, never once analysing the issues or the motivations behind why you are being told to think the way you are being told to think.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2008, 04:54:54 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2008, 05:37:46 PM »
Hitler came to power in the same way.  Brilliant (without a teleprompter I might add).  He then indoctrinated the children, the Hitler Youth Group.  Then the brown shirts and the GESTAPO once he took power as the disarmed citizens looked on.  Many similarities would you not say?  I know it is disloyal and not politically correct to say these things or to feel them.  The fact is that is what is slowly going on here.  We have all been propangandized all our lives by the government in one form or another.  I just happen to disagree with nazism and fascism and socialism presenting itself to us and destroying our constitution.  There are still a few patriots left feeling the same way.

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2008, 05:54:28 PM »
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Do some checking.

Neil Bush.  Barabara Bush.  Dubya pushing No Child Left Behind.

Guess which already rich family is getting taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate children?

Hmmmmmmm, and in which states?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2008, 06:06:14 PM »
You have eyes but cannot see.  Obama is moving into territory just like Hitler did.  Choose to ignore it if you will.    I will be waiting now for Nov 5th.  The day after, we MAY have some idea of who has won.  Depends on success of voter fraud and the ACORN debacle. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2008, 06:13:59 PM »
Indoctrination, indeed.
 

 
 
OCTOBER 14--The Chicago man credited with launching the Barack Obama-is-a-Muslim smear campaign once pledged to "exterminate Jew Power in America," and claimed that "Jew babies are fed with subsidized American taxpayer money," and that Jews were "schooled in blood sucking and money grubbing from birth."
 
Those anti-Semitic statements (and many, many others) were contained in a 1986 fundraising letter circulated by Andy Martin, then a Connecticut congressional candidate. Martin, who began his whisper campaign against Obama in August 2004 after the politician's keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, has a long history of impugning Jews, often in connection with the hundreds of legal proceedings filed by the 62-year-old perennial candidate.
 
But the 1986 letter, a copy of which you'll find below, is particularly virulent. In fact, in 1996, when Republican officials in Florida learned of Martin's prior fundraising pitch they rescinded the party's support for Martin, then a state senate candidate (when he ran for Congress in 1986, Martin was known as Anthony R. Martin-Trigona).
 
Martin's sleazy background has gained renewed attention in light of his appearance this month in a Sean Hannity-hosted Fox News documentary about Obama.
 
During that October 5 program, Martin claimed that the Democratic presidential candidate was once "in training for radical overthrow of the government." Martin offered no proof for this claim, nor was any sought by Hannity, who identified Martin as an "Internet journalist."
 
Nor did Fox mention the kooky Martin's history of anti-Semitic statements or his arrest record
 
In fact, Martin is wanted in New York and Florida on outstanding arrest warrants.
 
The New York warrant, out of Ulster County, resulted from harassment charges related to a child custody battle.
 
The Florida warrant, from Palm Beach County, was filed in connection with a criminal contempt conviction.
 
 

 

 
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2008, 06:19:37 PM »
You have eyes but cannot see.  Obama is moving into territory just like Hitler did.  Choose to ignore it if you will.    I will be waiting now for Nov 5th.  The day after, we MAY have some idea of who has won.  Depends on success of voter fraud and the ACORN debacle. 

Sour grapes.

You are just trying to raise enough fake outrage to use as justification for why Obama won.

Comparing Obama to Hitler?  Rigging the election?

You are taking a page right out of the Democrat playbook against Dubya.

Except, you know, we were right about Dubya ruining the country.

And we'll be right about Obama fixing it.

And you will cry fake tears of outrage while we fix this mess your Chosen One caused for the last 8 years.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2008, 06:35:53 PM »
Yeah, ask Dubya and his mother and brother about indoctrinating school children using taxpayer money while yer at it.

Aim some fake outrage at their actions to take taxpayer money and make a rich family richer.

Moo, m'kay?

Indoctrination indeed.

You are every advertiser for Rush and FauxNews' wettest dream, because you eat up their fake news "stories" and pass it along like its gospel, never once analysing the issues or the motivations behind why you are being told to think the way you are being told to think.

The NCLB Act was co-authored By Sen. Ted Kennedy and Rep. George Miller of California (both democrats).  It had nothing to do with Dubya or his family.  It was in the draft stages long before GW was elected.

NCLB is based on a concept called outcome based education.  The idea was to raise the standard of education of our youth.  Hardly something one could call relative to indoctrination.  And hardly anything the Bush family would profit from.

Not playing the personal attack stuff dude.  Sorry.
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King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2008, 06:39:41 PM »
But you can blame Bush for not using the power of veto?  Gotta blame him for something...lol
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2008, 06:51:48 PM »
But you can blame Bush for not using the power of veto?  Gotta blame him for something...lol

LOL - OK, I'll give them one.

What_The?, What does the Martin thing have to do with our children's education?
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2008, 11:58:58 PM »
So now it's Campbell Brown as the "authority".  Did Ted and Jane finally sell all of their interests in CNN?  You ever been to the Middle East?  Talk about 31 flavors.  CNN rules the ME and much of Europe.  Doesn't mean they have it right.

Again my friend - who is really thinking for themselves.

The debate tonight will be interesting.  Obama will grab the adulation of the MSM, etc, etc.  Tomorrow morning the markets will continue to wreak havoc.  Until the vote is truly decided we will not see any normalcy in our country.

And even then, it will not be normal.  No matter who wins.  And it will not be good either.
"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2008, 02:11:18 PM »
Fact: A child born of a Muslim Father is, according to Islam, a Muslim.  A child born to a Jewish Mother, according to Halacha (Jewish law), is Jewish.  What religion those children decide to become when they are of age to decide for themselves, is another matter.  Obama may have decided to convert to Christianity BUT, by birth he is recognized by Islam as a Muslim regardless of what religion he may or may not have been raised in.   
 
Fact: Hitler and the Nazi Party indoctrinated children into their belief system at a very early age.  Castro, Mao Tes-Tung, and other dictators use(d) children to perpetuate their beliefs.  When you raise an entire generation to believe in one ideology, you are ensuring that belief system for the next generation.
 
Children are easily manipulated and unfortunately, there are those that call themselves educators, manipulating our children to serve their cause.  I believe children should be informed concerning our electoral system.  A Presidential election year is a wonderful time to teach our children about democracy and the workings of our electoral system.  It should NEVER be used to endorse one party or another.  This is the first Presidential election that I have ever seen where our children are being so manipulated.  I personally find it frightening.  I have found nothing for school children singing praises for McCain, Biden, or Palin.
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original  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTBq_ybkBmI&feature=related
Military style  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs&feature=related
 
No, Obama is not a Hilter, or atleast I hope he doesn't follow Hitler's ideology. 
What I do know of Obama is:
1) he's served for 3 years in the US Senate, 1.5 years of that time, on the Presidental campagin trail
2) He is the Democrat candidate for President
3) Regardless of how he tries to humanize Ayes, he has ties to a KNOWN terrorist against MY Country 
4) He has ties to ACORN
5) He never served one day in our military 
6) He wants to withdraw from Iraq, place more troops in Afganastan 
7) He's willing to meet, without preconditions, with the leader of country like Iran 
8) He was baptized into the Christian faith in 1988-89 
9) He wants to send "rebate" checks (free money) to people that do not pay any taxes at all
10) He privately asked for a delay in troop withdrawal, as reported by the NY Post, "Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, who told the Post that Obama, during his meeting with Iraqi leaders in July, "asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the U.S. elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington"  Full story: http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm
 
Now, if anyone thinks that this is just Republican rhetoric, I happen to be a Democrat, a Vietnam era Veteran, a Mother/Grandmother, and a Jew.
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2008, 03:01:38 PM »
I know this particular person posting above.  While we have some differences of opinion in ideology, we DO agree on one thing for sure.  This country does not belong to anybody but US (the people).  We are both patriots in the truest sense of the word.  She has provided facts for the unbelievers who post here.  We will have to disagree on Obama's tactics. I have looked and see him trying to use some of the same tactics used by Hitler.  Know history or be condemned to relive it.  Kari?  Never Again!!! you know what I am talking about.

Jim