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Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
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BILL FARNHAM wrote this.
 
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up on a story that will be in the Daily Guide newspaper.
The story is how I have put gas in my truck at the county shed and this story will be on the front page of the paper Friday Oct.31.
It is supposed to explain how in doing this I saved the county money, some have alluded that I have stolen the gas in question costing the county money.
The gas was put in my truck and a record of the day, date, gallons, and user was written on the county's fuel log with my name and ID number 25.
I have put over 20,000 miles on my truck as a county commissioner and none of this was used for personal business as some are claiming.
I could have filled out a mileage reimbursement form and charged the county 28 cents per mile and received a check for my vehicle expense instead of the way I did it.
As commissioner I never asked for any mileage money during the first three years of my term and never put any gas in my truck even though I put many miles on my truck on county time and ruined one set of tires that cost me $700.00 to replace out of my pocket.
As commissioner I traveled the roads in my district to see first hand the problems the citizens had called me about or to check the road conditions during the floods, ice storm and snow, I was out all hours of the day and night trying to make sure the citizens would be safe to travel on the roads in the eastern district, my district includes Big Piney,Buckhorn,Waynesville,St.Robert,Devils Elbow,Dixon and Hancock.
This is a large area with many subdivisions and miles and miles of county roads and numerous low water bridges that regularly flood with even the smallest amount of rain.
I just wanted you to hear this from me on a first hand basis and I hope this doesn't change your mind about my ability as commissioner.

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2008, 06:53:56 AM »
I will do more exact math once the exact figures for gas useage is in the paper, I was told it was close to 600 gallons this year.. He is saying he is averaging over or about 5000 miles per year and this year hadn't reached ten full months.. This means he gets around 6 to 8 miles per gallon? Help me with the math here?
 
I think what we have her is someone who didn't go by the rules of turning in mileage.. Maybe it is not a rule.. Maybe he saved money for the county.. LOL
 
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up on a story that will be in the Daily Guide newspaper.
The story is how I have put gas in my truck at the county shed and this story will be on the front page of the paper Friday Oct.31.
It is supposed to explain how in doing this I saved the county money, some have alluded that I have stolen the gas in question costing the county money.
The gas was put in my truck and a record of the day, date, gallons, and user was written on the county's fuel log with my name and ID number 25.
I have put over 20,000 miles on my truck as a county commissioner and none of this was used for personal business as some are claiming.
I could have filled out a mileage reimbursement form and charged the county 28 cents per mile and received a check for my vehicle expense instead of the way I did it.
As commissioner I never asked for any mileage money during the first three years of my term and never put any gas in my truck even though I put many miles on my truck on county time and ruined one set of tires that cost me $700.00 to replace out of my pocket.
As commissioner I traveled the roads in my district to see first hand the problems the citizens had called me about or to check the road conditions during the floods, ice storm and snow, I was out all hours of the day and night trying to make sure the citizens would be safe to travel on the roads in the eastern district, my district includes Big Piney,Buckhorn,Waynesville,St.Robert,Devils Elbow,Dixon and Hancock.
This is a large area with many subdivisions and miles and miles of county roads and numerous low water bridges that regularly flood with even the smallest amount of rain.
I just wanted you to hear this from me on a first hand basis and I hope this doesn't change your mind about my ability as commissioner.

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2008, 07:02:36 AM »
28 cets per mile times 5000 miles is $1400.00 remembering its 10 months not a full year. But I gave him the full year benefit of the doubt.

600 gallons at 4 dollars per gallon is $2400.00 is what he recieved this year if it is near 600 gallons. At 3 dollars a gallon, per month it is 1800, but I am pretty sure gas averaged over 3.50 per gallon all year making the gas price he got 2100. Then again maybe I am way off..


Help me here folks, he would have been paid $1400.00, but instead he got just under $2400.00 in gas.. I am no mathematician, can some one refigure this?
 
In all fairness we have to get that gallon total before we can be sure.. The person who told me this could have strected the facts.. We shall see..

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2008, 09:27:25 AM »
Was it gas or Diesel?  I does make a difference from a legal standpoint.

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2008, 01:48:05 PM »
Corrected the story I wrote last night I was told 600 gallons not dollars that was his usage fo the year, I shouldn't write when I am sleepy.



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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2008, 04:33:13 PM »
49 fillups only 476 gallons? 40 weeks into the year and 49 times he got gas? When's he buying the gas for his personal use?

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2008, 04:47:33 PM »
I have decided not to redo the math, as it is obvious we don't have the facts, and his word is meaningless to me now..

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2008, 04:56:29 PM »
I guess we all have to decide wether it is OK for Farnhan to thwart the rules about gas useage.. Without mileage reports we are not able to compare apples to apples and have to take his word on it.. Good luck with that..

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2008, 04:59:50 PM »
I was told today that the Highway patrol were the investigators on this claim of him paving a private road with county money.. I wonder what is going on that we don't know about..

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2008, 05:43:35 PM »
Wait, I just realised that if he had got gas at a gas station and tuned in his mileage, simple math says he profited from getting the gas for free, regardless of what the county pays..
 
There is this little thing called checks and balances Mr Farnham.. Where's yours??

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2008, 09:07:31 PM »
Someone just called me and told me they are saying at the coffee shops that maybe Farnham meant to say in his campain promise that he would be "Fuel Time Farnham," not "Full Time Farnham.."

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2008, 09:14:12 PM »
I wonder if all the fuel went into his truck?  Maybe he was filling up the other family vehicles as well.  I would think it's hard to fill up one tank 49 times in 40 weeks.
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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2008, 09:34:17 PM »
Odd thing people are questioning is that's only about 8 or 9 gallons per fill up. That's odd. Was there a meter reading, or was he able to report what he wanted? I get gas once a week, now I get gas once every three weeks since I work from home. I bet I'd fill up more if it was free.. Then again if it was county money, I'd pass..
 
 
I wonder if all the fuel went into his truck?  Maybe he was filling up the other family vehicles as well.  I would think it's hard to fill up one tank 49 times in 40 weeks.

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2008, 12:12:24 AM »
I don't understand the post regarding how many fills he did versus the weeks issue.  I live in Dixon and I work in Waynesville.  I drive a Jeep Liberty Sport that does not get bad gas mileage versus some of the larger SUV's or trucks on the road.  I drive in to work and I drive back.  Very little dashing here , there and yonder.  I have YET to go a full week on one tank of gas. 

Given that his district is HUGE and the fact that he DOES actually go out into the field and check road conditions when warranted, I find it entirely plausible that he would use that much gas. 

Elections are always trying on everyone.   I just don't appreciate muckraking and that is what this smacks of.  Whether or not you agree with Bill 100% or not , he has done a far better job than many of his predecessors.  He actually gets off his fanny and gets out in the field to see what has been done or what needs to be done.  These past few years old Mother Nature has hammered our roads and he has been right out in the middle of it all, doing what he can do to take care of the folks in his district. 

I don't believe that anyone can take that away from him.   
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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008, 12:17:55 AM »
Why would that be?

Sorry I've been gone all day.  If its diesel there would be no tax if it is for  off road like the graders.  If you get caught burning red diesel on the road in a private vehicle its your a##.  That is I hope Farnham is smart enough to buy off road diesel and avoid the 42 cents per gallon tax.

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2008, 12:33:04 AM »
Theres more funny struff If he pays $700 for a set of tires this has nothing to do with the county but I run 10 rock tires on my vehichle and they are less than $600 . Sounds like we need a lesson in shopping.

Lets keep it simple if he drive 5000 mile in a 50 week year that 100 miles a week or 20 miles a day during the week.   He must spend a lots of boots on the ground time if hes not couvering any more than 20 miles a day.  I do that much to the store, mail and one trip to the farm ( about 8 miles round trip).  So if he is buring up the road with his crew and stroms and visting his miles don"t prove it.  Also about two weeks ago they were taking about the status of FEMA work and the reimbursment.  Dennis said he was 98% done and had $5,000 left to spend, and farnham had to make some phone calls and get back at the next meeting evern though he spends so much time on the road with his crews and drives all the road.

By the way I have seen county people in pickups that say pulaski county road and bridge so bill does not  need to take out a "big" truck


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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2008, 01:57:59 AM »
I am reading a lot of different "facts" and figures.  I can't help but wonder how much of this is political and how much of it is true.  I will wait until the facts are proved before I make any comment other than the fact that policies and procedures are in place for things such as "fuel expenses" and should be used by everyone, if only to prevent such issues as this from getting started. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2008, 02:21:05 AM »
I have called him a few times this year and he always showed up. Sounds like he is doing a great job but a couple folks didn't get what they wanted. I wonder what the W/T on his vehical is worth? I hope we got him after the election to beat on. GO BILL
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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2008, 02:39:58 AM »
In all fairness, Bill probably had good intentions, just went about it the wrong way.. He opens him self up to this. On the gas issue he should have checked with the other Commissioners, or the county clerk before deciding to acquire his gas in this manner..

On the subject of the road, assuming it is true, he again used bad judgement.. If it was necessary to pave a private road for the safety of the citizens then so be it, but I'd suggest next time you kinda run it by the other commissioners for a vote. The part about charging it to another road speaks volumes, if in fact that proves to be true. Overall I think his intentions were potentially admirable. In the end this investigation may conclude he did no wrong mainly because our Commissioner's have set no guidelines or rules in this area. The state also probably has no laws against it.. This I do not know.

Bottom line is, people tell me things, and I have the balls to ask questions. Had it not been for me you may have never heard a thing. You decide how I should continue running my opinions on this site and I will take note.. I don't ask the soft questions, I don't accuse, I just report what I am told so we can perhaps get to the bottom of things and improve "Business as Usual" in Pulaski County.
 
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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2008, 03:00:40 AM »
I see no problem with reporting the rumors that are circulating as long as the goal behind the report is to shed light on what is going on and bring pressure on those who have the authority or resources to investigate and get to the bottom of such things.  And I understand that sometimes it is difficult not to let our own emotions or outrage regarding, what we hear, color our reports.  There are times when I really give vent to how I feel about certain situations. 

I also hear a lot of rumors or "inside stories" but unless I know that it is an actual fact that can be verified, I refrain from commenting on it publicly.  It is way too easy to ruin someone's reputation when there is no justification for it.  Even if a so called factual story dies a natural death there will always be those who will believe that it was "covered up" or "where there is smoke, there must be fire."  Unfortunately, I have found myself in the position of having things said about me that were untrue and in fact not even stated by the person who supposedly made the statement.  Even though I was able to clear things up, it was very stressful and upsetting to me.  I hope I am never guilty of doing the same thing to anyone else.

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2008, 03:19:36 AM »
I thouroughly agree with every thing you said..
 
I am able to separate people from politicians when it comes to what I am willing to talk about or not. Politicians by nature of their decision to run for "PUBLIC" office open their selves up for this.. If I were to run for political office I face that risk too. Personally I feel this does not extend to their personal life.. Some of our best presidents were the biggest whores on the planet, but it didn't seem to affect their ability to lead and or perform. Pun Intended....
 
I am not blind, I see how people like Darrell Todd Maurina write things.. His is a career, mine was just a hobby, leaning toward career..
 
I know I don't play nicey nicey, but it is who I am, and I have tried, but it looks like I am not changing very fast.. I chalk it up to my German blood..
 
 
 
 
I see no problem with reporting the rumors that are circulating as long as the goal behind the report is to shed light on what is going on and bring pressure on those who have the authority or resources to investigate and get to the bottom of such things.  And I understand that sometimes it is difficult not to let our own emotions or outrage regarding, what we hear, color our reports.  There are times when I really give vent to how I feel about certain situations. 

I also hear a lot of rumors or "inside stories" but unless I know that it is an actual fact that can be verified, I refrain from commenting on it publicly.  It is way too easy to ruin someone's reputation when there is no justification for it.  Even if a so called factual story dies a natural death there will always be those who will believe that it was "covered up" or "where there is smoke, there must be fire."  Unfortunately, I have found myself in the position of having things said about me that were untrue and in fact not even stated by the person who supposedly made the statement.  Even though I was able to clear things up, it was very stressful and upsetting to me.  I hope I am never guilty of doing the same thing to anyone else.

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2008, 06:01:09 AM »
Ed Warden Wrote this..
 
Okay. I'm no rocket surgeon but let's see how this math works:

476 gallons x $2.50 per gal = $1190

At 476 gallons let's say Farnham's truck gets 15mpg that equals 7140 during a 40 week period breaking down into 178.5 miles per week for county business.

Eastern District has how many miles of road? ???

Now let's see.....for argument's sake: Farnham averages only 150 miles per week on county business for a total of 6000 miles over the same 40 week period. Does all this paperwork that needs to go to the clerk, commission then treasurer to get his $ .28 per mile.

6000 x $ .28 = $1680

Just using my Dent county school system arithmatic Farnham saved the county $490.00.

I don't really see a big problem.....but then again.....I'm only running for assessor.....What do I know? I'm spending time & money running for the position that everyone fusses at or at least about when tax assessments & bills are received. Maybe I'm not the sharpest knife in drawer.

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2008, 06:17:27 AM »
I have a few minor adjustments to your calculations ED.
 
Farham wasn't supposed to get his gas at the county pump in the first place, he was supposed to buy it on the open market. The open market was about $3.50 average. According to the gallons he used would have cost him $1666.00.. Had he turned in his mileage he would have been reimbursed 1400.00.. Farnham saved Farnham $266.00.. He may have saved the county a few dollars, if you believe that every single gallon was used for county purposes, unfortunately we don't know that because he didn't follow the normal way of doing business in the county. We call that checks and balances, and I'd hope to think that's how you plan to run the Assessors office should you win. There are people in the mind set that if he's doing things like this in one area, then what else is he doing wrong in other areas..
 
 
Ed Warden Wrote this..
 
Okay. I'm no rocket surgeon but let's see how this math works:

476 gallons x $2.50 per gal = $1190

At 476 gallons let's say Farnham's truck gets 15mpg that equals 7140 during a 40 week period breaking down into 178.5 miles per week for county business.

Eastern District has how many miles of road?

Now let's see.....for argument's sake: Farnham averages only 150 miles per week on county business for a total of 6000 miles over the same 40 week period. Does all this paperwork that needs to go to the clerk, commission then treasurer to get his $ .28 per mile.

6000 x $ .28 = $1680

Just using my Dent county school system arithmatic Farnham saved the county $490.00.

I don't really see a big problem.....but then again.....I'm only running for assessor.....What do I know? I'm spending time & money running for the position that everyone fusses at or at least about when tax assessments & bills are received. Maybe I'm not the sharpest knife in drawer

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2008, 06:27:50 AM »
On another note, that comes to mind having heard concerns about the timing of this article in the Daily Guide.. Farnham had over a week to present his side to the voters and I believe the Daily Guide article went overboard in helping his cause.. Politicains shouldn't wait for the paper to write the story before they defend themselves, they should do it immediatly..

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2008, 12:13:36 PM »
Farnham knew the story was coming out in the paper and only then did he give everyone a heads up. If I have not missed a post--I don't recall him saying anything about the paving of a road but all of that is not yet ready to come out in the paper!

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2008, 01:13:11 PM »
The fact he worked on the road has already been in the paper like 3 weeks ago. 

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2008, 01:32:26 PM »
Whatever the reasons for handling it the way he did, Farnham needs to follow proper proceedures in the futures.  Anyone in public office or in the public eye needs to hold themselves to a higher standard and make sure all the "i's are dotted and the t's are crossed." 

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Re: Farnham explains his gas use at Tax Payer expense.
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2008, 01:41:24 PM »
My recolection is that it wasn't in the paper, it was in the papers website, and it was a comment by the public.
 
 
The fact he worked on the road has already been in the paper like 3 weeks ago.