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« on: November 10, 2008, 08:32:58 PM »

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Re: What A Plan
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2008, 08:48:35 PM »
And if he can get them here by inauguration day, they can have free cake at McDonalds!

Seriously though, I read that this morning.  This is setting the precedent for his foreign affairs policy.  He is bowing down to the ME leaders (and world community as a whole) that have called for their release.  The trial thing is just a ruse to make the American public happy.  He will be seen as a saint by everyone.  Well, almost everyone.

They are enemy combatants.  Prisoners of war.  As long as we are at war, their incarceration is warranted.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2008, 10:30:52 PM »
I don't see it that way. Why would you want to continue to pay for them to sit in a cell? Why not trial them and punish them
(if it is warranted) and be done with it? The article that I read stated that 250 of the detainees have been cleared and are permitted release, but the US can't find countries to acept them. So, essentially, we are keeping innocent people locked up.

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 03:57:04 AM »
I kinda like the plan. we are paying for their incarceration now at gitmo. I have had people go to gitmo to support the facility and they were happy when they left. Bring them ALL here and release them into the general population of nice cozy places like rikers island,san quentin, or our friend Sherrif Joe Arpaio's place.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 10:33:51 AM »
Not our fault their own contries won't accept them back.  I would prefer they not be released in our general population.  If their own contries won't take them back, then I agree with Fish and Retired.  Why not give them to Bubba in a nice prison cell?  They are our enemies.  Bringing them here and releasing them is tantamount to giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 10:46:25 AM »
Not our fault their own contries won't accept them back.  I would prefer they not be released in our general population.  If their own contries won't take them back, then I agree with Fish and Retired.  Why not give them to Bubba in a nice prison cell?  They are our enemies.  Bringing them here and releasing them is tantamount to giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The ones that are going to be released have been cleared of all charges. They are innocent people. Why do you want to send innocent people to prison? Why should we become/stay that country? Locking innocent people up is as far away from American values as you can get. It is one thing to lock them up while you are investigating. It is another thing all together to lock people you know are innocent up. How does that reflect America's values? What message are we sending to the world? Are you trying to say it is okay to lock people up indefinitely because of their name, religion, and/or the color of their skin? Can you say 'racist'?
 
 
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 12:18:26 PM »

The ones that are going to be released have been cleared of all charges. They are innocent people. Why do you want to send innocent people to prison? Why should we become/stay that country? Locking innocent people up is as far away from American values as you can get. It is one thing to lock them up while you are investigating. It is another thing all together to lock people you know are innocent up. How does that reflect America's values? What message are we sending to the world? Are you trying to say it is okay to lock people up indefinitely because of their name, religion, and/or the color of their skin? Can you say 'racist'?
 
 
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Would be interesting to find out of those 250 released... how many were later killed, while trying to kill our troops?
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 01:41:30 PM »
So you think they shouldn't be released because they may or may not go try and kill our soldiers? Even if they have been proven innocent?
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 01:54:45 PM »
I don't want them released in our country.  Is that clear enough for you?  These people are enemies of this country and were taken off a battlefield.  Funny, I never heard liberals calling me racist during Viet Nam and I was against them too.  These people deserve NO rights in this country nor do they deserve to live here.  I hope that is clear enough for you.  If that is racist, then yes call me one.  I am against the enemy and will remain so, foreign and domestic.

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2008, 02:11:02 PM »
I don't want them released in our country.  Is that clear enough for you?  These people are enemies of this country and were taken off a battlefield.  Funny, I never heard liberals calling me racist during Viet Nam and I was against them too.  These people deserve NO rights in this country nor do they deserve to live here.  I hope that is clear enough for you.  If that is racist, then yes call me one.  I am against the enemy and will remain so, foreign and domestic.

They have been cleared of the charges, is that clear enough for you? Enemies don't get cleared of charges. Enemies get held indefinitly without a real trial.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 02:19:48 PM »
Taken off the battlefield.  Enemies.  Clear and concise.  If they had not been fighting against us, they would not have been taken prisoner to start with.  Hell, since they don't wear uniforms, they could be executed as spies.  They do not deserve to live in this country. Repatriate them.  I surely do not care what their countries do with them.  they are not citizens of this country and need to stay out.  Releasing them into this country will most likely result in the deaths of many innocent US citizens. 

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008, 02:29:39 PM »
Oh, I see. You think everyone at Gitmo was taken off the battlefield. You will be glad to know that isn't true. Some of them were taken from their homes. Some of them were sold to us by Afghani soldiers. Like Zakirjan Hassam. Afghani soldiers got $5,000 for him. I wonder if $5,000 might be a good enough reason for an Afghani soldier to wrongfully accuse someone of being a terrorist.
 
 
"They are men such as Zakirjan Hassam, an Uzbek refugee who was sold to U.S. forces in Afghanistan for $5,000 in May 2002 by people he mistakenly believed would shelter him. He ended up in Guantanamo Bay the following month and is still there today."
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008, 02:31:24 PM »
They still have NO business living in this country.  JMHO of course.  They are enemies of this country clear and simple.  send them home.  Don't release the enemy to create havoc at home. 

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 02:38:53 PM »
How are they enemies if they have been proven innocent?
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 02:41:44 PM »
If we have wrongfully imprisoned innocent people, we need to go out of our way to correct it. If they have been proven innocent, they should be freed. If no country will take them, we need to release them here. It is completely against American principles to imprison innocent people. We need to correct the mistake however possible.
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2008, 03:09:06 PM »
If we have wrongfully imprisoned innocent people, we need to go out of our way to correct it. If they have been proven innocent, they should be freed. If no country will take them, we need to release them here. It is completely against American principles to imprison innocent people. We need to correct the mistake however possible.
The question we should be asking is... Why do their own countries not want them?
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2008, 03:49:35 PM »
Nobody said anything about proven innocent.  and Kari is once again correct.  They are people without a nation and should not be placed here just because a "mistake" was made, if indeed it was.  I have no desire to have to watch out for these enemies in my own backyard so to speak.  Repatriate them and let those owners do what they wish with them.

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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2008, 04:02:25 PM »
 why haven't their countries demanded their release?

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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2008, 07:31:13 PM »
Who knows why their countries won't take them? It is barely relevent to the conversation. Who are you going to trust about their innocence, American military investigators highly trained in the arts of 'advanced' interrogation, or Middle Eastern countries?
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2008, 08:21:55 PM »
then let's hand them over to the iraqi's

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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2008, 09:12:50 PM »
They aren't even from Iraq. Why would we send them to Iraq? If their countries won't take them, we are obligated to set them free here. We can't lock up innocent people indefinitly because we made a mistake. We need to act responsibly, and make amends for the wrong we have caused people. Anything else would be uncivilized, and dare I say unAmerican.
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2008, 09:17:13 PM »
UnAmerican is allowing them release and safety in this country.  UnAmerican is setting them free here to wreak havoc and kill. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2008, 09:24:52 PM »
Shoot Preacher why don't you just open up a refuge in your backyard?  They're innocent.  They haven't been convicted of any crime so they ought to just love your backyard.

However if they leave your yard and come into mine intent on trouble rest assured they'll find it.  Same goes for MN and a lot of others.

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2008, 09:29:42 PM »
UnAmerican is allowing them release and safety in this country.  UnAmerican is setting them free here to wreak havoc and kill.

UnAmerican is indefinitly locking innocent people up because of fear.
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2008, 09:42:08 PM »

UnAmerican is indefinitly locking innocent people up because of fear.

Not fear.  Common Sense.  Think about it.  Would you release wolves amongst your sheep? 
 
 
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2008, 10:01:20 PM »

Not fear.  Common Sense.  Think about it.  Would you release wolves amongst your sheep?
More like releasing a plague, as plagues spread.......
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2008, 12:20:20 AM »
More like releasing a plague, as plagues spread.......


Not fear.  Common Sense.  Think about it.  Would you release wolves amongst your sheep? 
 
 
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Plagues and wolves aren't innocent.(at least not as similes) The people who should be released are innocent.
 
 
 
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2008, 12:43:26 AM »
I guess you were at their interrogations and trials?  Is that how you know they are innocent?  Or maybe Not guilty, which is not the same at all.  At any rate, they do not deserve entry into this country.

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2008, 12:53:02 AM »
 
 
Plagues and wolves aren't innocent.(at least not as similes) The people who should be released are innocent.

Innocent only by the standard that they were apprehended.  250 people, maybe 250 different cases.  BLUF they may only be innocent by merit of what they were initially thought guilty of - i.e. law.  If there is no law written yet to further detain them, so be it.  They were originally detained just like the DUI dude or POT smoker - probable cause.  If they have now been proven innocent, then they have already passed court trial, and we have nothing more to worry about.
 
They need to be deported to their country of origin - whether the country wants them or not.  Period.  We don't owe them anything.  Wrong Jihad, wrong time, their bad.
 
Better yet, drop them off in the Iranian desert by Chinook.  The Iranians will know what to do with them.
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2008, 01:34:40 PM »
where were they captured at?

you won't mind taking a few in, eh preacher?