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« on: December 11, 2008, 08:58:01 AM »

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Scientists have been looking for a genetic explanation for homosexuality. Once they find it, it will prove that people with a certain genetic makeup have a predisposition to becoming homosexuals. There will be exceptions to the rule, but it will generally hold true. One of these exceptions being Rod Stewart.
 
If you had the knowledge that your child were going to be born a homosexual, would you abort? How would you raise a child you knew were going to be a homosexual? Would you force them to be something they weren't? Would it be heterosexuality or the highway? This could cause a lot of needless psychological problems.
 
If there were a procedure that could change the genetic makeup of your child during early developmental stages of gestation to prevent homosexuality, would you do it? Should you be able to make that decision? Should a gay expecting mother be allowed to have her fetus genetically engineered into a lesbian?
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 03:00:36 PM »

If you had the knowledge that your child were going to be born a homosexual, would you abort?
Extremely difficult question....I wish I could answer this, but I have to admit, I really don't know what I would do.  Knowing how cruel our society can be, could be a major factor in a decision like that.
 
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How would you raise a child you knew were going to be a homosexual?
No different than how I raised my other children!
 
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Would you force them to be something they weren't? Would it be heterosexuality or the highway?
Absolutely not.
 
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If there were a procedure that could change the genetic makeup of your child during early developmental stages of gestation to prevent homosexuality, would you do it?
I believe I would, as long as it caused no other harm.  The main reason is because, many of us (me), have a great desire to have Grandchildren.  Yes, I know homosexuals can also procreate, but many choose not to.
 
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Should you be able to make that decision?
Since the fetus would need my body to develop, I believe I have that right, but does raise some interesting questions on how far one should go with such a possibility!
 
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Should a gay expecting mother be allowed to have her fetus genetically engineered into a lesbian?
One of the questions the former question raises, and I don't have an answer for it!
 
Can't you ask easier questions.... like the choice between white and dark chocolate?  I go for dark chocolate, not white and not milk chocolate... see, that was easy!
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 04:04:18 PM »
I know this is a little off topic but we had a chance when my youngest was still in the womb to do a genetic test to determine if there was a problem (Ultrasound wasn't 100% normal). My wife and I thought long and hard about it and said it really didn't matter. We would never give up our child then nor now. He is now 15 and has 12Q13 or PMS (No Not that one the other one) and even though he is a pain sometimes we wouldn't trade him for anything in the world.
 
So to try to get this back on topic.
 
It doesn't matter we would love our children no matter what..

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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 04:20:48 PM »
I know this is a little off topic but we had a chance when my youngest was still in the womb to do a genetic test to determine if there was a problem (Ultrasound wasn't 100% normal). My wife and I thought long and hard about it and said it really didn't matter. We would never give up our child then nor now. He is now 15 and has 12Q13 or PMS (No Not that one the other one) and even though he is a pain sometimes we wouldn't trade him for anything in the world.
 
So to try to get this back on topic.
 
It doesn't matter we would love our children no matter what..
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 05:02:41 PM »
If you had the knowledge that your child were going to be born a homosexual, would you abort?

I would like to be believe I am open minded enough to not care if my child were going to be a homosexual. I think I wouldn't make the decision to abort on that knowledge. I would only make the decision to abort on gender. Girls cause more stress. Who wants that?
 
 
How would you raise a child you knew were going to be a homosexual?

I would make them take some MMA classes. Probably some Brazilian jujitsu. They would need the ability to defend themselves well. People are cruel in this world.
 
Would you force them to be something they weren't? Would it be heterosexuality or the highway?

I wouldn't force them to be anything. I woudln't try to persuade one thing over another. I would just love them and accept them for who they are. I think this may cause problems too. What if I have a late bloomer son that loves musicals? I am sure at some point I will have to have 'the talk' with them. It has to be weird to have your parents tell you that they would love you even if you are gay. It would especially be weird if you weren't gay to begin with.
 
If there were a procedure that could change the genetic makeup of your child during early developmental stages of gestation to prevent homosexuality, would you do it?

Like I said before, I think I am open minded enough to not care whether or not my child were going to be a homosexual. Unfortunately though, I am completely for genetic engineering. I would like the oppurtunity to decide the genetic makeup of my children. It will bring a new definition to 'family planning'.
 
 
Should a gay expecting mother be allowed to have her fetus genetically engineered into a lesbian?

If a straight person can "fix" the gay gene in their child, homosexuals should be able to "fix" the straight gene in theirs.
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 05:06:31 PM »
If you had the knowledge that your child were going to be born a homosexual, would you abort?

Absolutely not.
 
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How would you raise a child you knew were going to be a homosexual? Would you force them to be something they weren't? Would it be heterosexuality or the highway?

The same way I am raising my other child. And of course not.
 
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If there were a procedure that could change the genetic makeup of your child during early developmental stages of gestation to prevent homosexuality, would you do it? Should you be able to make that decision? Should a gay expecting mother be allowed to have her fetus genetically engineered into a lesbian?

No.
No, I don't think that we should be able to make the decision. Sexuality is not a reason to abort a child or to alter a child. We should love (and support) our children regardless of their sexual orientation.
That goes for both straight and gay people.
 

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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 05:38:30 PM »
Once genetically engineering your children is a legitimate option, I'm going to give one of my children a third nipple, or maybe thirteen and a half fingers. It's going to be awesome. No, No...maybe I could get my children prehensile tails. Now that would really be awesome. Why aim low?
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 05:43:06 PM »
I just plain believe that I take people for what they are, so needless to say, I would accept my child no matter what.  in fact i did!!!!
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2008, 05:16:08 AM »
These are all great answers.  And I have to say that I would not change a thing with my child if there was a way to detect such a gene.  I would love my kids no matter what.  I have no issues what-so-ever with homosexuality and would not ever bother having such a waste of time and money test.

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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2008, 01:09:11 PM »
Once genetically engineering your children is a legitimate option, I'm going to give one of my children a third nipple, or maybe thirteen and a half fingers. It's going to be awesome. No, No...maybe I could get my children prehensile tails. Now that would really be awesome. Why aim low?

A third arm would be very valuable, if we want to talk about genetic engineering. But if the subject is about a genetic predisposition for homosexuality, I think this may be true. On the subject of whether a parent would still love and want their child even if they were different. Well there's an old saying here in the hills "blood is thicker than water"
Do I think a Gay couple should be able to marry? Would you deny your off-spring the happiness, social exceptance and extra life that married couples enjoy, just because they were born homosexual?
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2008, 02:05:48 PM »
On the subject of whether a parent would still love and want their child even if they were different. Well there's an old saying here in the hills "blood is thicker than water"
Do I think a Gay couple should be able to marry? Would you deny your off-spring the happiness, social exceptance and extra life that married couples enjoy, just because they were born homosexual?
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2008, 03:30:07 PM »
it should be hate the sin, not the sinner. but that does not mitigate that the gay lifestyle is wrong. I don't believe the gay gene exists, just a scam to excuse an unatural lifestyle.

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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 02:00:16 AM »
it should be hate the sin, not the sinner. but that does not mitigate that the gay lifestyle is wrong. I don't believe the gay gene exists, just a scam to excuse an unatural lifestyle.
Fish, I could be wrong but I think this question was posed to 1) see how people would feel towards a gay person if it was their child  2) how each may react if they were told in advance that a child of theirs would be gay
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 03:12:36 AM »
isn't this an opinion forum? I believe I gave a response to the suggestion there is or will be a gay gene. and my response of" hate the sin not the sinner" is answering the questions without specifics of " How would you raise a child you knew were going to be a homosexual? Would you force them to be something they weren't? Would it be heterosexuality or the highway?"

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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 05:26:34 AM »
Fish, what I was referring to was you saying it was a scam.....how can something be a scam when it's only research, not saying it's fact... they are looking.
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 11:01:32 PM »
I gave an opinion, I believe it is allowed. but I also gave responses to those questions posed.

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 11:34:28 PM »
I didn't go through all of the questions but I can't imagine a situation where I or my wife would abort nor can I imagine a situation where I would not love my child.

The research for this gene may be done in the lab, but it is being done for political reason and a large amount of funding by those that want it to be proven.  If it is proven it can't be helped, then the argument about providing benifits for partners by employers is over, it will be mandated that it is done and gay marriage will be found a must.  JMO, but I know too many of the folks pushing it to think they just care about science.

There is also a ton of research being done on similar genes for those who steal, are violent, etc...  If those are ever proven to be, then punishment for a bunch of those crimes will go away, at least for those that have the gene.  Again, more politically motivated than science I believe.  I will let you guys/gals fight it out if that is right or not, but I know in many of the proposals written requesting funding for the gay gene research, almost always it talks about helping the gay community in society if proven.

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2008, 01:46:50 AM »
you are right dave. I believe there is a political motivation behind finding a gay gene or any other gene that can be used as an excuse for behavior.. it would release people for taking responsiblity for their actions, criminal or otherwise..

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2008, 02:53:04 AM »
Just because you are genetically predisposed to being a criminal, doesn't make it ok for you to be one. If they find the gene, I am most assuredly to have it. The criminal gene, not the gay gene. Having the gay gene would be a HUGE stherprizth(surprise with a lisp, as in 'I'm sthuper thanks for asthking') Having a genetic explanation for wanting to shoplift isn't an excuse for shoplifting. Common sense and basic understandings of right and wrong have to overshadow ones criminal thoughts. You can think about stealing a car as much as you want, but if you do it, you deserve to go to jail. It doesn't matter if we find a reason for you wanting to steal a car, you deserve to get locked up if you actually steal one.
 
The same goes for the gay gene. Even if they find a genetic explanation for homosexuality, you can still say it is morally wrong. You may have to admit god created homosexuality, but you can still say it is wrong. God could have given it to people as a personal test. They are afflicted with homosexuality to test their character. It isn't being a homosexual that is an affront to god, it is the act of homosexual sex that is forbidden.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2008, 03:01:04 AM »
but a gay gene would be an excuse for immoral behavior. "they can't help it". God didn't create homosexuality, the devil perverts the natural relations between man and woman. why would God create something and forbid it to us?


there are people that got off the hook for a crime because they say they were insane. some were, some weren't.

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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2008, 06:07:51 AM »
but a gay gene would be an excuse for immoral behavior. "they can't help it". God didn't create homosexuality, the devil perverts the natural relations between man and woman. why would God create something and forbid it to us?


there are people that got off the hook for a crime because they say they were insane. some were, some weren't.
Fish, you keep speaking about YOUR belief..... I have no "devil" in my religion!  Man is responsible for his own actions, or lack thereof, in many religions!
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2008, 06:17:02 AM »
why would God create something and forbid it to us?

 
There are lots of things that you think god created that he forbid. What about marijuana, hallucinogenic mushrooms, poppy, cocaine, etc.?
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2008, 06:19:35 AM »
PrE4chEr... what is that critter thingie for your avatar??  I love the eyeballs... hmm, they are eyeballs, right?
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2008, 06:27:19 AM »
PrE4chEr... what is that critter thingie for your avatar??  I love the eyeballs... hmm, they are eyeballs, right?

He is the one and only true almighty God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Embrace Him and let His noodly appendage touch your heart and soul. Deny Him and suffer His wrath.
 
P.S. You don't want to deny Him. His wrath really sucks. He will poke you in the eye with His noodly appendage. It hurts really bad. Trust me, I have seen Him do it.
 
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2008, 11:18:46 AM »
Fish, you keep speaking about YOUR belief..... I have no "devil" in my religion!  Man is responsible for his own actions, or lack thereof, in many religions!

Kari,  I may be wrong but I think what fish is saying is these folks will have the ultimate excuse...they were born physically with an urge they can't control to do something. 
 
That would give any attorney in the world a great argument and in our society that is as a rule doing the exact opposite of what you are saying... "Man is responsible for his own actions..." it then gives folks a pass on bad behavor, or my personal favorte, at least skip the punishment and lets do the rehab, that of course for a gene that makes you want to commit a crime. 
 
As far as the gay gene, in the past employers who have moral objections to gay partnerships have said it is a lifestyle choice and they don't want to support it by providing benifits to their partners as they do for spouses.  Many believe that if this gene could be proven then the courts could force employers to provide the same benifits to everyone regardless of moral objections.  Of course the outcome in many areas will be employers providing no benifits to anyone so then it is still all equal which will still be in compliance with the law.  It will be another example of the failed Potty Parody Bill of years ago in DC.
 
I agree with both you and Prech, people should be responsible for their own actions and should resist doing the bad stuff...but I personally don't believe our courts have shown they agree with us.
 
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2008, 08:06:58 PM »

He is the one and only true almighty God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Embrace Him and let His noodly appendage touch your heart and soul. Deny Him and suffer His wrath.
 
P.S. You don't want to deny Him. His wrath really sucks. He will poke you in the eye with His noodly appendage. It hurts really bad. Trust me, I have seen Him do it.
 
May sauce be upon you. RAmen.
How sweet to offer the blessings of your Flying Spaghetti Monster!  May sauce be upon you also!
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2008, 08:42:23 PM »

Kari,  I may be wrong but I think what fish is saying is these folks will have the ultimate excuse...they were born physically with an urge they can't control to do something. 
 
That would give any attorney in the world a great argument and in our society that is as a rule doing the exact opposite of what you are saying... "Man is responsible for his own actions..." it then gives folks a pass on bad behavor, or my personal favorte, at least skip the punishment and lets do the rehab, that of course for a gene that makes you want to commit a crime. 
 
As far as the gay gene, in the past employers who have moral objections to gay partnerships have said it is a lifestyle choice and they don't want to support it by providing benifits to their partners as they do for spouses.  Many believe that if this gene could be proven then the courts could force employers to provide the same benifits to everyone regardless of moral objections.  Of course the outcome in many areas will be employers providing no benifits to anyone so then it is still all equal which will still be in compliance with the law.  It will be another example of the failed Potty Parody Bill of years ago in DC.
 
I agree with both you and Prech, people should be responsible for their own actions and should resist doing the bad stuff...but I personally don't believe our courts have shown they agree with us.
 
Again, JMO,
Dave
 
P.S.  Fish, I am not trying to put words in your mouth but I figured the argument I have heard many times is pretty much what you are talking about.  Forgive me if I am wrong.

You make a lot of claims, but I'm not seeing any proof.
 
 
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2008, 01:12:08 AM »

He is the one and only true almighty God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Embrace Him and let His noodly appendage touch your heart and soul. Deny Him and suffer His wrath.
 
P.S. You don't want to deny Him. His wrath really sucks. He will poke you in the eye with His noodly appendage. It hurts really bad. Trust me, I have seen Him do it.
 
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2008, 01:15:52 AM »
Is that blessing upon the sauce for both of us?
Sweetie... I would think he meant both of us!
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Re: Gay Gene
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2008, 01:41:58 AM »
Sweetie... I would think he meant both of us!
Kari you need to take a better picture of your niece's eyes all i see is black ;D
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