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Ok I moved up here since this is about the county government.  I got a question, I understand that the commissioners are not gonna respond well to all the (for lack of a better word) crap that gets exagerated or blown out of proportion.  In reallity though they haven't been responding well for the past year or so that people have been asking for this tax.  People keep talking about Ransdal, but the other 2 have been in office lonnger then him and they have not wanted to try anything either have they?  I have to agree on some things though, IT seems it really is going to take something bad to happen before they decide to put it on the ballot.  Gary said somthing about the citys and state backing up county officers the other night that was true, but how much longer does it take for them to get there compared to if county actually had the officers on that could respond when the call came in before the officer got onscene and realized they needed backup.  Understandably they know right off the bat in some cases, but not in others.  I just thought I would bring this up and see if anyone wanted to toss it around a bit.

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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 10:59:32 PM »
I feel the need to remind everyone that Commissioner Farnham did make a motion in an open meeting for a law enforcement sales tax to be placed on the ballot. The motion died for the lack of a second. This was in January I believe.

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 11:26:11 PM »
Can a citizen go in and ask for it to be placed on the table again......

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2007, 12:42:17 AM »
Thank you JB I must have missed that.  So if it was motioned
then Thornsberry and Bill are against it.
I feel the need to remind everyone that Commissioner Farnham did make a motion in an open meeting for a law enforcement sales tax to be placed on the ballot. The motion died for the lack of a second. This was in January I believe.

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2007, 01:40:03 PM »
I think Commissioner Farnham has actually proposed the LE Tax 2 times.  One time under Crismon and one time under Ransdall. So we are 1/3 of the way there!

Response times depend on officer postition. All the depts. in the county with the exception of Dixon PD can respond immediately upon our request and most monitor our radio frequency as we do theirs so they already know before the phone call is made that we need help. Dixon has to check with the Marshall to get permission first so they usually are delayed a minute or so. The mutual aid runs both ways.  There are numerous times that deputies assist the cities when available too. 

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2007, 02:07:14 PM »
My point was for a citizen who reads the exaggeration thinking they might not get help. The post where the person posted that if 3 calls came in and one of them was a man with a gun on Bill Ransdall and some other call, then a lady with a flat tire. The poster said he/she would leave Mr. Ransdall as the last call. I was responding to that. As anyone knows who works in public safety or emergency services, when a bad call (gun play, robbery, etc.) comes in so many cops respond it is unbelievable. It is not uncommon at all to have a dozen cars on scene in minutes (on a bad call). I just didn't want a citizen to read some of these post and be afraid. Fire, EMS, and police do have and use mutual assistance--very well I might add.   Does that mean that you do not need more deputies? No, not at all. You do. And, they need a new fleet of cars. Improved benefits. I am for the LE tax...let me make that clear. But telling citizens they might not get help....I would never post that. And the post about Bill Ransdall is a disgrace. No deputy that I know would do that.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2007, 02:09:37 PM »
Yes, and keep giving me the bad karma, hahaha,    that merely means I am telling the truth and it often hurts.

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2007, 02:22:26 PM »
For sure Gary! We don't screen calls by the caller's name.  We screen by level of urgency. Luckily most people understand and are patient for the most part.


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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2007, 02:50:54 PM »
I had not noticed your negative karma. I am shocked. Gary does not deserve this negative Karma.


Yes, and keep giving me the bad karma, hahaha,    that merely means I am telling the truth and it often hurts.

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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2007, 02:54:59 PM »
I have a question about mutual aid out in the Big Piney area.  We are so far from services out here that if a Deputy responds to a call from our area and needs assitance, how long would it take to get help for that officer?  Can Texas County assist the Deputy or do they have to wait the 40 minutes or so that it takes to get someone out here?

There was a recent call out here that had the potential to be extremely dangerous for the officers involved.  Thankfully it was only a dog that had been shot but when it was called in there was no way of knowing that.  


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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2007, 03:01:21 PM »
I know that Bruce. Whoever posted that obviously doesn't know the quality of our cops...and dispatchers.

Law101, that is the one exception. It has always been that way, except a few years ago a deputy lived there. I won't give his name as I don't know if he would want that. But, he took care of things down there for the sheriff. We (EMS) worry about that too. We had a knife pulled on a team once down there and of course it took a deputy awhile to get there. That is a proximity problem that has "always" been a problem.

Thank you Rick.

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2007, 03:08:30 PM »
No, he does not deserve the bad karma.  He has been extremely helpful to me regarding the 911 issues that Big Piney had.  

I think a lot of people don't understand how things work in politics and tend to get frustrated by the lack of action that is being taken.  Let's all work together to resolve the problems in the best way possible, instead of getting worked up over it and adding fuel to the fire.

I agree the Commissioners need to know if the support is there for some kind of LE Tax and they do need to be aware that the voteing population can and will show it's displeasure at the ballot box but on the other hand they also need to know that because a lot of us can't get to the Commission meetings we don't always know for sure what is going on.  It would be nice if they would consider having a thread here on the board so they could help keep us informed.  And that thread shouldn't become a place for us all to beat them up in.  It should instead be a place for a civil exchange of ideas.


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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2007, 03:10:06 PM »
I knew that Deputy and he was an asset to our community and we miss having him out here.

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2007, 03:54:47 PM »
I have a question about mutual aid out in the Big Piney area.  We are so far from services out here that if a Deputy responds to a call from our area and needs assitance, how long would it take to get help for that officer?  Can Texas County assist the Deputy or do they have to wait the 40 minutes or so that it takes to get someone out here?

There was a recent call out here that had the potential to be extremely dangerous for the officers involved.  Thankfully it was only a dog that had been shot but when it was called in there was no way of knowing that.  



i think it only took us about 13 minutes to get out post to piney that day! (correct me if i am wrong YT, but i think thats close) mm341
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2007, 04:08:04 PM »
i think it only took us about 13 minutes to get out post to piney that day! (correct me if i am wrong YT, but i think thats close) mm341

hehe...close 341!  Actually from time of dispatch to scene time it was 14 minutes. I have developed a great working relationship with the MP desk over the last year and we were able to have both gates ready and the MPs had every intersection on post manned and blocked so our officers could make it though post without delay. They were a great help!

As far as mutual aid....for that call I had 2 Texas County Deputies and the Highway Patrol enroute also.  I don't know how many troopers were on the way.  My dispatchers know not to hesitate to call any agency needed to help and not hesitate doing it.  I go by the adage that we can turn help around when it is on the way easier than calling for more when you don't have enough initially.


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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2007, 04:09:04 PM »
I had not noticed your negative karma. I am shocked. Gary does not deserve this negative Karma.

For sure! hehe...I musta said the wrong thing this am as someone gave me one.  Oh well.....I am with Gary!



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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2007, 04:11:44 PM »
I am glad to know it didn't take you long to get out here.  It was about 40 minutes for the reserve from Richland to get out here the time I called for assistance.


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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2007, 04:14:33 PM »
Thanks for posting the information Yankee.  It is a relief to know that we aren't as isolated as we sometimes think we are.  I was more worried about the Deputies needing help and none being available quickly enough. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2007, 01:15:12 AM »
My point was for a citizen who reads the exaggeration thinking they might not get help. The post where the person posted that if 3 calls came in and one of them was a man with a gun on Bill Ransdall and some other call, then a lady with a flat tire. The poster said he/she would leave Mr. Ransdall as the last call. I was responding to that. As anyone knows who works in public safety or emergency services, when a bad call (gun play, robbery, etc.) comes in so many cops respond it is unbelievable. It is not uncommon at all to have a dozen cars on scene in minutes (on a bad call). I just didn't want a citizen to read some of these post and be afraid. Fire, EMS, and police do have and use mutual assistance--very well I might add.   Does that mean that you do not need more deputies? No, not at all. You do. And, they need a new fleet of cars. Improved benefits. I am for the LE tax...let me make that clear. But telling citizens they might not get help....I would never post that. And the post about Bill Ransdall is a disgrace. No deputy that I know would do that.

Gary

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2007, 06:28:07 AM »
I think it would be a great idea for the commisioners to have a place here that people could ask questions and the Commissioners could give the answers...After all if David Day can do it why could not the Commissioners to it.....It all depends on if they want to take the time out for the people is the way I see it....It could sure help clear up alot of misunderstandings in this county....I would be very proud of them if they would talk to Rick and start a thread on it.....Now the questions is......will they.......we will see......They could also post the minutes of the meetings so that the county people could read it too.....

Of course we also need to ask Rick if he would agree to this also.....

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2007, 04:36:18 PM »
Has anyone actually went down to a commisioners meeting and brought the law enforcment tax in open forum where it can get discussed in the public and some ideas can be brought up so that the commisioners know that it is wanted by the public as well as just the Sheriffs office?

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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2007, 06:30:50 PM »
If they don't already know it, they haven't been listening!  Bill Farnham has brought it up several times, but the other two don't support the LE tax, I guess.  If I'm not mistaken Ransdall said during the election that he didn't believe we needed it and won on that platform, among other things, so I guess we have what we voted for! %%$%$$#  NOTE: I didn't vote for the guy because he didn't support the LE tax.

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2007, 01:04:55 AM »
Well to begin with we need to decide what kind of LE tax do we want...Do we want the full LE tax of 1/2 percent or can we do the 1/4 percent and the Sheriff Department can keep what they received from the general fund now.....That would be a less tax for the people in the county but would still help the Sheriff Department give the deputies a raise in pay so that we can keep some of these good deputies and they can support their families too.....What does everyone think about this.....Or does anyone else have some ides.....This is what we need is ideas on the LE Tax then maybe we can discuss it with the commissioners at one of their meetings...... &^^&&^^ &^^&&^^

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2007, 01:11:55 AM »
It would be close to a million dollar a year raise (Taking into consideration Lowes opening.). Almost double what he has now. It requires the commissioners to commit to never reducing the amount below what he received this year (Although I'd be happy with them leaving it at a flat million, which would free up 200,000 or more right away, for other county services.)  That puts the sheriff at no less than 1.8 million his first year. In the long run it increases the county's budget for other areas, as their tax money increases they won't be giving any more to the sheriff than he gets now, and the sheriff's money will increase each year as sales in the community grow. It is a win win situation for all involved. Even St. Robert officials might could swallow the quarter cent a bit easier..

Win Win Win
This plan makes commissioners happy because they get more money for other departments that need it, it makes JB happy because he gets more money, it makes all elected officials in every department happy because they all get a slice of the pie, and it's an easier pill for cities to swallow. The cities risk this being a half cent, therefore it would be smart for them to support this 1/4 cent idea.



Well to begin with we need to decide what kind of LE tax do we want...Do we want the full LE tax of 1/2 percent or can we do the 1/4 percent and the Sheriff Department can keep what they received from the general fund now.....That would be a less tax for the people in the county but would still help the Sheriff Department give the deputies a raise in pay so that we can keep some of these good deputies and they can support their families too.....What does everyone think about this.....Or does anyone else have some ides.....This is what we need is ideas on the LE Tax then maybe we can discuss it with the commissioners at one of their meetings...... &^^&&^^ &^^&&^^

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2007, 03:25:42 AM »
I just read the Daily Guide and got a better perspective on the tax Farnham has proposed. If 1/4 goes to JB and 1/4 quarter is split between the cities, and as long as JB keeps his current level of funding along with the city police departments, then I would support that.
I would not want it to be a replacement tax, that then in reality just gives the cities more money, and not the police departments.

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2007, 01:00:58 PM »
From what I understand the le tax past overwhelmingly in Richland.  I haven't actually seen the total but I did hear that of coarse you can't always believe what you hear.  That 1/4 cent sounds good rick that way the county gets a little money freed up for other places and the sheriffs department will seemingly almost double their money.

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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2007, 02:42:25 PM »
I think rick said 1/4 + 1/4 which equals 1/2--- that was the farnham proposal.   

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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2007, 03:15:08 PM »
He may have been refering to my proposal.

I think rick said 1/4 + 1/4 which equals 1/2--- that was the farnham proposal.  

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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2007, 03:16:16 PM »
Yes it did pass. They have plans to roll it back if a county wide tax passes that includes cities.

From what I understand the le tax past overwhelmingly in Richland.  I haven't actually seen the total but I did hear that of coarse you can't always believe what you hear.  That 1/4 cent sounds good rick that way the county gets a little money freed up for other places and the sheriffs department will seemingly almost double their money.

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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2007, 05:06:08 PM »
I just think that it would be stupid at least not to try it on their part, they would be the commisioners that finally did something that helped the county with their money problems.  It would give them more money and help protect the citizens of this county.