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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #360 on: April 25, 2008, 02:54:26 PM »

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JB always has a bad habit of not telling all the facts.   It's always that one little piece of information that makes all the difference.

What facts? The fact is there is no money....To my opinion he has been honest
Go ahead and blame me....Everyone else does

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« Reply #361 on: April 25, 2008, 03:37:01 PM »
And JT ALWAYS told the full and complete facts?  Give me a break.  It is human nature to show oneself in the best possible light.  Is there anyone of this board claiming to be perfect?  That is like saying "I made a mistake once and that is when I THOUGHT I made a mistake.  Toss those stones around a little more.

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« Reply #362 on: April 25, 2008, 05:36:04 PM »
The fact is, JT has no business enforcing the law because he has no respect for it to begin with. Let's hear why MSHP let him go - c'mon Cowboy, Pistolwhip - tell us why.

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« Reply #363 on: April 25, 2008, 06:27:23 PM »
The fact is, JT has no business enforcing the law because he has no respect for it to begin with. Let's hear why MSHP let him go - c'mon Cowboy, Pistolwhip - tell us why.


I've heard rumor....would love to know the facts.

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« Reply #364 on: April 25, 2008, 06:46:38 PM »
JB what about the commissioners trying to impeach JT,  over a failure to purchase a bond within 15 days, which he obtained the same day he was elected, AND  the fact that JT didnt get any of the civil fees money, and the order issued by Judge Wiggins which ordered him to vacate the court house and turn it over to the commissioners, which had been filed by the commissioners. If you are going to tell the story, get it correct and all the facts. By the way if JT had been impeached, 85 other sheriffs would have been impeached and all persons arrested and all civil and criminal process performed by the 86 sheriffs for the prior 4 years would have been null and void.  Read the law. Thanks to his efforts you now enjoy using the civil fees money.........
JB always has a bad habit of not telling all the facts.   It's always that one little piece of information that makes all the difference.

Give us the facts then.  There isn't much here, just a lot of confused babbling. 
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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #365 on: April 25, 2008, 07:00:40 PM »
The fact is, JT has no business enforcing the law because he has no respect for it to begin with. Let's hear why MSHP let him go - c'mon Cowboy, Pistolwhip - tell us why.


I'd love to hear that myself. 

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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #366 on: April 25, 2008, 07:43:28 PM »
JB what about the commissioners trying to impeach JT,  over a failure to purchase a bond within 15 days, which he obtained the same day he was elected, AND  the fact that JT didnt get any of the civil fees money, and the order issued by Judge Wiggins which ordered him to vacate the court house and turn it over to the commissioners, which had been filed by the commissioners. If you are going to tell the story, get it correct and all the facts. By the way if JT had been impeached, 85 other sheriffs would have been impeached and all persons arrested and all civil and criminal process performed by the 86 sheriffs for the prior 4 years would have been null and void.  Read the law. Thanks to his efforts you now enjoy using the civil fees money.........

    The question was asked and was directed to ME as to how much money was spent on the lawsuit. I answered that question. The "stuff" you are posting was never on here. I did not raise any of those points. I did not comment on those points. If you wish to campaign for JT be my guest. FYI, I have included in the next paragraph the exact question that was asked.
                       
"I believe most of the discretionary fund was gone when JB took over.  Something close to $75K.  Correct me if I am wrong or not even in the ball park JB."
               
         JB


   

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« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 03:33:25 PM »
That's correct you answered the question - but instead of saying it was $252,000 you had to add two full pages about prisoner boarding which was not part of the question. But  you say

    The question was asked and was directed to ME as to how much money was spent on the lawsuit. I answered that question. The "stuff" you are posting was never on here. I did not raise any of those points. I did not comment on those points. If you wish to campaign for JT be my guest. FYI, I have included in the next paragraph the exact question that was asked.
                       
"I believe most of the discretionary fund was gone when JB took over.  Something close to $75K.  Correct me if I am wrong or not even in the ball park JB."
               
         JB


  

so where did this question raise anything about inmate boarding it did not so why did you post it?

Where do you say that the county commission voted, in January 2001, to send inmates to other facilities.   That's another one of those little facts left out.   And what about in the 2004 campaign wheb Carmack keep saying that because of your superior administrative skills you would make the out sourcing go away - what happend about that.?

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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #368 on: April 27, 2008, 03:36:12 PM »
That's correct you answered the question - but instead of saying it was $252,000 you had to add two full pages about prisoner boarding which was not part of the question. But  you say

so where did this question raise anything about inmate boarding it did not so why did you post it?

Where do you say that the county commission voted, in January 2001, to send inmates to other facilities.   That's another one of those little facts left out.   And what about in the 2004 campaign wheb Carmack keep saying that because of your superior administrative skills you would make the out sourcing go away - what happend about that.?

He did because he can !!!!
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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #369 on: April 27, 2008, 04:42:08 PM »
That's correct you answered the question - but instead of saying it was $252,000 you had to add two full pages about prisoner boarding which was not part of the question. But  you say

so where did this question raise anything about inmate boarding it did not so why did you post it?

Where do you say that the county commission voted, in January 2001, to send inmates to other facilities.   That's another one of those little facts left out.   And what about in the 2004 campaign wheb Carmack keep saying that because of your superior administrative skills you would make the out sourcing go away - what happend about that.?

    If adding critical remarks from the Missouri State Auditor's Office that were directed at JT and the County Commission bothers you then hide because there are a bunch of pages from several audit's that have not yet been copied.

As to the Commissioners voting to transfer the inmates to another jail I did not know that little fact and I don't think they had much of a choice since we are limited to roughly 30 here and the jail list today runs 65 as a routine number. In Sept. 2004 the number was close to 110 inmates. I will be the first to say JT had no choice but to exceed the spending limits on inmate board.

Carmack said I could order the Judges and PA to limit the number of inmates on the list?  I think I missed that one and I surely cannot do that one. You probably need to ask Carmack about that claim.

There were also some questions directed your way by other members of this board that I have not read your answers on yet.

      JB

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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #370 on: April 27, 2008, 05:43:45 PM »
   

Carmack said I could order the Judges and PA to limit the number of inmates on the list?  I think I missed that one and I surely cannot do that one. You probably need to ask Carmack about that claim.

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Didn't say that did I? but you can say what you want according to  murfyzlaw

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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #371 on: April 27, 2008, 06:04:39 PM »
"And what about in the 2004 campaign wheb Carmack keep saying that because of your superior administrative skills you would make the out sourcing go away - what happend about that.? "

"Didn't say that did I? but you can say what you want according to  murfyzlaw"

 
    It appears that my interpretation of the remarks that you attribute to Carmack was off base. Try asking him.

    And while I am here I should bring up another reference to my posting of remarks from the Missouri State Audit Reports that was critical of JT. If you will look on this main page about 15 topics below this tax topic you will find were on 9-29-2007 I posted every word of the 2007 state audit report on my department. Both good and bad it's all there. So if I can post about myself I guess I can post on a past Sheriff's also. By the way its a public record.

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Re: TAXES FOR LAW ENFORCMENT
« Reply #372 on: April 27, 2008, 06:10:50 PM »
Who could help but be critical of JT Yoakum... oops, I mean Roberts.

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« Reply #373 on: April 27, 2008, 07:36:48 PM »
I said what I said.   I did not say what you said I said.   At least get the quotes correct.

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« Reply #374 on: April 29, 2008, 05:47:36 PM »
People are going to complain no matter what. What would be wrong with having the tax? It may not help completely but still it would help some. Why can't anyone understand no matter who the sheriff will be there will always be problems with the funding but atleast JB is trying to do something about it by getting the LE Tax going. Why does anyone want to bash him for atleast trying to do the better thing? How would you do anything differant? When you have to work with a budget that is a poor budget what else would you except him to do?

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« Reply #375 on: April 29, 2008, 11:13:12 PM »
Exactly, not one single penny in FOUR FULL BUDGET YEARS to buy a car with. How would you supply the cars to the department? I have begged them off other departments, I have rebuilt a totaled patrol car from another agency, I have financed to my limit from the civil fee fund. What have I missed?
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« Reply #376 on: May 03, 2008, 05:59:00 AM »
Exactly, not one single penny in FOUR FULL BUDGET YEARS to buy a car with. How would you supply the cars to the department? I have begged them off other departments, I have rebuilt a totaled patrol car from another agency, I have financed to my limit from the civil fee fund. What have I missed?
JB

support from the citizens of this county, that is what you have missed, and you should never have had to beg for anything, these things are to keep the peace, not for your personal gain, i am tired of people thinking that you are doing this for glorification, you are doing this for the people of this county!
cowboy, you were asked direct questions that you refuse to answer, you are quoted as saying something, yet deny it, and we are supposed to listen to you rave on about a past sheriff that cost this county more money than anyone that we know about?

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« Reply #377 on: May 03, 2008, 11:51:27 AM »
    Carmack said I could order the Judges and PA to limit the number of inmates on the list?  I think I missed that one and I surely cannot do that one. You probably need to ask Carmack about that claim.

      JB


Where did I say that?


Why was JT let go from the MSHP   ---  I don't have a clue and I won't talk about something if I don"t have facts.

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« Reply #378 on: May 03, 2008, 02:43:30 PM »

Where did I say that?


Why was JT let go from the MSHP   ---  I don't have a clue and I won't talk about something if I don"t have facts.

     JT was not "let go" by the MSHP. He resigned from the Patrol by his own hand. And I know this because he handed me the resignation letter to pass on to the Troop I Command Staff. As to what it said and why he did this I have no comment to make or maybe I should say I will not comment on this issue.

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« Reply #379 on: May 03, 2008, 03:17:54 PM »
now, can we get back to the original intent of this thread?  the le tax?  have you seen this?  http://www.waynesvilledailyguide.com/news/x1804952804
how many of you are willing to go to a town hall meeting to show your support for the sd, it is time to stop talking and start acting

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« Reply #380 on: May 04, 2008, 05:13:39 PM »
Rock ON.  I'm there.  Just give me a date and time and I will bring and drag everyone I know. LOL

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« Reply #381 on: May 04, 2008, 09:24:50 PM »
Let me know where and when and I will also be there.

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« Reply #382 on: May 04, 2008, 11:43:16 PM »
Sign me up too.
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« Reply #383 on: May 22, 2008, 12:10:07 AM »
Curious...
If the commission final decides to put the LE Tax on the ballot, when is the latest they have to decide and announce it? Just was wondering how much time there will be to campaign for (or...ugh...against) the tax.
 

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« Reply #384 on: May 22, 2008, 09:51:37 PM »
Wow I leave for a little while, come back and all heck has broken loose on here.  Now I've given JB as much trouble on here as any and more than most but I have never called him dishonest, nor do I believe to him to be dishonest.  And he has always answered every question I've ever asked on here (some he probably would of preferred not to).  We may not always agree but we do respect each other.  Sounds like a little more respect could be in order on here.

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« Reply #385 on: May 22, 2008, 11:53:54 PM »
Wow I leave for a little while, come back and all heck has broken loose on here.  Now I've given JB as much trouble on here as any and more than most but I have never called him dishonest, nor do I believe to him to be dishonest.  And he has always answered every question I've ever asked on here (some he probably would of preferred not to).  We may not always agree but we do respect each other.  Sounds like a little more respect could be in order on here.


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« Reply #386 on: May 23, 2008, 12:22:14 AM »
LOL JB the questions are just starting..........................

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« Reply #387 on: May 23, 2008, 01:41:54 AM »
I was just reading the story about the Federal Charges from the raid -- I've had folks tell me  there was not much of a drug problem here, and not serious drugs --- Now I want to ask them if Crack and Ecstasy are not serious drugs -- what is?
Sounds like the time has come!
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« Reply #388 on: May 24, 2008, 05:56:06 PM »
Well JB here comes some questions: The Legislative session has ended, what, if any, will the PCSD get to increase deputy pay?  Also, if rumor is correct, the Legislature increased the amount of prisoner per diem per day, so using the new amount, how much will the state provide for prisoner per diem and how much does it actually costs to house a prisoner per day?  As always, thanks in advance for your time and response (See you many have welcomed me back too quick:-).

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« Reply #389 on: May 24, 2008, 10:45:04 PM »
Well JB here comes some questions: The Legislative session has ended, what, if any, will the PCSD get to increase deputy pay?  Also, if rumor is correct, the Legislature increased the amount of prisoner per diem per day, so using the new amount, how much will the state provide for prisoner per diem and how much does it actually costs to house a prisoner per day?  As always, thanks in advance for your time and response (See you many have welcomed me back too quick:-).



    Do not yet have said info. Will post when I get the info.
JB