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Author Topic: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?  (Read 12453 times)

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China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
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According to links on this web site, some people think Clinton signed our national forests over as collateral for loans to the U.S. from China in 1996.  It sounds way far out to me, but ...
 
CHINA has Mark Twain forest in Missouri as collateral for unpaid loans

 
copied from Prisonplanet forum posting..

[link to forum.prisonplanet.com]

A government surveyor was sent to survey the boundaries of the Mark Twain forest in Southern Missouri this month as the Chinese are going to hold it as collateral against the mounting US debt - incredible!

I work at a small town newspaper in Southwest Missouri and the story was confirmed by two local land owners adjacent to the forest. I can get their names and statements and even put it in our paper but I'm sure the fallout would get me fired.

.... this just came out from a local realtor that listed a business adjacent to the forest. The owner conveyed the information to the realtor. The realtor then called a relative that owns land on the other side of the forest and the same government surveyor was there recently and told him the same thing - that the government sent him to survey, etc. ...

s, it's called Agenda 21 and one of Alex Jones documentaries covers it.
 
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Re: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2009, 05:19:16 PM »
What a complete load of pure BS.

Jesus Christ, people.

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Re: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 03:35:57 AM »
China may not have a hold on Mark Twain, but they damn sure have an economic strangle hold on our economy!  American greed via NAFTA will eventually bring us to our knees.  Why, because we're not manufacturing anything.  This grandiose idea about the US becoming a prosperous sales and service oriented society is a load of horse shit!  Excuse my language but that's just what it is.  I often wonder what all the workers at Brown Shoe, Briggs & Stratton, Lee Jeans, etc. are doing these days.  I wonder if they're better off today than they were while employed at these companies?  Many are probably working double shifts at WalMart, Dollar General, Dollar Tree, etc. just to maintain their same standard of living.  I personally believe these Chinese junk stores are undermining our quality of life and standard of living more than AIG or Fannie & Freddie combined.

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Re: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 03:40:57 AM »
China may not have a hold on Mark Twain, but they damn sure have an economic strangle hold on our economy!  American greed via NAFTA will eventually bring us to our knees.  Why, because we're not manufacturing anything.  This grandiose idea about the US becoming a prosperous sales and service oriented society is a load of horse shit!  Excuse my language but that's just what it is.  I often wonder what all the workers at Brown Shoe, Briggs & Stratton, Lee Jeans, etc. are doing these days.  I wonder if they're better off today than they were while employed at these companies?  Many are probably working double shifts at WalMart, Dollar General, Dollar Tree, etc. just to maintain their same standard of living.  I personally believe these Chinese junk stores are undermining our quality of life and standard of living more than AIG or Fannie & Freddie combined.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 02:11:58 PM »
China may not have a hold on Mark Twain, but they damn sure have an economic strangle hold on our economy!  American greed via NAFTA will eventually bring us to our knees.  Why, because we're not manufacturing anything.  This grandiose idea about the US becoming a prosperous sales and service oriented society is a load of  ....

I agree. Multinational corporations (aren't they all that nowadays?) have sent all our manufacturing jobs to China, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Vietnam, etc. We are no longer building capital in this nation, and without capital, our economy is nothing but a wad of paper! Start a rumor or light a match, and it's all gone. We are nearly there now.
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Re: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 02:57:14 PM »
Stranglehold on the US?

You mean, by cutting taxes for 8 years and borrowing money from China and Saudi Arabia to make up the difference, Bush sold the country out?
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Re: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 04:18:07 PM »
Winston, this really isn't a political issue.  Remember when H. Ross Perot was running in 1992 and spoke of NAFTA?  He said that if NAFTA passed, we'd be hearing a big sucking sound emanating from our manufacturing base, and he was 100 percent correct.  The NAFTA legislation was signed and approved under Clinton.  Only a hand full of congressional members opposed it too.

The Chinese economy still maintains positive economic growth along with it's military due to our greed and shortsightedness.  I just hope they never decide to exercise punitive measures against us economically or militarily.  In any event, we'd be screwed which is why we toterate anything and everything they do.

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Re: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 09:25:54 PM »
China's Agenda 21 (from what I've read) is home based:

http://www.acca21.org.cn/english/index.html

An interesting blast from 2004 however is more to the point and supports what most everyone (most) is saying here:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3556107/China-and-the-financing-of.html
"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
Cited by Ronald Lacey in "The Kingdom:  Arabia and the House of Saud"

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Re: China holding U.S. national forests as loan collateral?
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2009, 02:38:28 AM »
retired1, the content within those articles are absolutely concrete and concise!