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Here's to the homosexual citizens of Iowa! Live free and be happy! Second class citizens no more!
 
 
  Iowa high court strikes down same-sex marriage ban! 
 
 
Here are just a few quotes, you can read the rest at the link near the bottom.
 
"Friday's decision upheld a 2007 ruling by a lower court that Iowa's 1998 law limiting marriage to heterosexual couples went against the state's constitution. It becomes effective in 21 days"  [by unanimous decision]
 
The state's highest court determined that "the Iowa statute limiting civil marriage to a union between a man and a woman violates the equal protection clause of the Iowa Constitution,"
 
"The court reaffirmed that a statute inconsistent with the Iowa Constitution must be declared void, even though it may be supported by strong and deep-seated traditional beliefs and popular opinion," 
 
"Legislatures in two New England states, Vermont and New Hampshire, have taken steps toward legalizing same-sex marriage"
 
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And of course, this last quote should come as no surprise to anyone. I'm actually surprised the number opposed isn't higher, when more then 70% of the nation claim to be christians...
 
"Nationwide, the issue of same-sex marriage remains highly divisive. A June 2008 CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that 44 percent of adult Americans believe gay marriage should be recognized by law as valid; 53 percent are opposed."
 
Only 53%...   it's not looking good for christians out there..   it takes a 2/3 majority to add an amendment to the constitution. Without it, the courts will continue to have no choice but to strike these laws down when the suits are filed. Especially after today's ruling, and the likelyhood of more to come. Let's not forget Obama promising to overturn DOMA..
It's like that game: Jenga.. the more you pull out, the weaker it becomes.... 
 
Wonderful day for civil rights in America!
 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/03/iowa.same.sex/index.html

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Re: 3 Down, 47 to go...
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2009, 01:23:19 AM »
Yes, Iowans can now live in a state of forced homosexuality, where children can be taught it is a natural thing and forced to be politically correct.  Against the will of the people too.  Another judge legislating from the bench.  We all know what opinions are like.  Problem is judges get to make theirs a law somehow.  If it were the will of the majority of the people there, I would have no problem with it.  Look at California which made it a Constitutional Amendment and some idiot judge saying it is Unconstitutional.  How can it be Unconstitutional in California if it part of their Constitution? 

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Re: 3 Down, 47 to go...
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2009, 02:26:47 AM »
 I guess there is no need to register to vote in iowa.

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Re: 3 Down, 47 to go...
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2009, 02:32:18 AM »
Yes, Iowans can now live in a state of forced homosexuality, where children can be taught it is a natural thing and forced to be politically correct.  Against the will of the people too.  Another judge legislating from the bench.  We all know what opinions are like.  Problem is judges get to make theirs a law somehow.  If it were the will of the majority of the people there, I would have no problem with it.  Look at California which made it a Constitutional Amendment and some idiot judge saying it is Unconstitutional.  How can it be Unconstitutional in California if it part of their Constitution? 

You really believe that homosexuality can be "forced"?
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Re: 3 Down, 47 to go...
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2009, 03:11:41 AM »
You really believe that homosexuality can be "forced"?
It realy depends on the size of the homo that's trying to force you.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2009, 09:45:13 PM »
Okie has never visited a prison, I can tell.  I worked in one.  Yes it can be forced.  My point here is that it is now being forced on the very people voting it down.  The MAJORITY as I remember.  And yes, children will be placed in situations where they may well be forced into homosexual acts as well as taught it is the normal way of living.  Aren't they lucky to be exposed to such diversity?  I certainly don't believe so.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 09:57:11 PM »
There is a difference between being forced into a homosexual act than being forced to be a homosexual. Being forced into the act would be called rape.
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Re: 3 Down, 47 to go...
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2009, 10:08:55 PM »
There is a difference between being forced into a homosexual act than being forced to be a homosexual. Being forced into the act would be called rape.
Okie don't start up with me, you no exactly what we meant and your not to big to be spanked..........awww never mind if memory serves me you would like being flogged and tied up with that red ball in your mouth. &^&&( :th_th36_1_15:
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2009, 10:13:08 PM »
Being forced to accept homosexuality as the norm for this country or even for just the state of Iowa is not acceptable to me.  Making children accept it is not acceptable.  ONE judge has exerted his opinion against the will of the people. so why have a damn election anyway?  Anyone can go shopping for the right judge to go along with thier view.  It was done in this state over CCW.  It was done in Iowa by the homosexuals.  were it the will of the people by the vote, you would not hear even one little peep from me about this subject.  Now the will of the Electoral College is another thing altogether............

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2009, 10:25:19 PM »
Okay MN, now that post is clearer than your first one. Maynard, do no ever put a red ball in anyone's mouth....not cool
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Re: 3 Down, 47 to go...
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2009, 10:46:55 PM »
Okie has never visited a prison, I can tell.  I worked in one.  Yes it can be forced.  My point here is that it is now being forced on the very people voting it down.  The MAJORITY as I remember.  And yes, children will be placed in situations where they may well be forced into homosexual acts as well as taught it is the normal way of living.  Aren't they lucky to be exposed to such diversity?  I certainly don't believe so.
You are losing your mind, MN. A homosexual ACT is not a homosexual lifestyle, and a forced homosexual act is RAPE. In addition, you are compounding an already serious error by confusing homosexuality with pedophilia.

Listen to Okie - she is your sane friend.

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Re: 3 Down, 47 to go...
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2009, 02:25:05 AM »
I dont see what the big deal is. If every guy were gay but me, that would pretty much make me the last guy on earth......but alllllll the females are still here. Guess where they gotta turn. Me. Think im gonna complain?







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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2009, 05:02:58 AM »
Where are you getting this "one judge" thing?
What part of "Iowa's supreme court made a unanimous decision" don't you understand?
 
Furthermore, you act as if this was something that originated by proponents of gay marriage who were pandering to a sympathetic judge. Another "conspiracy" by the minority to force their beliefs on the majority?
 WRONG.   Opponents of gay marriage tried to get a law passed that banned same-sex marriage, which went from the lower courts all the way up to the supreme court where it was recognized for what it is: unconstitutional.
not exactly the same as what you have been claiming has happened, is it?
 
 
you are quickly falling into the same category as fish and mark on this thread matrsnot..  normally we can expect you to at least stay close to the core of the arguement. now you've gone and gotten alarmist on us, trying to combine homosexuality and pedophelia and rape and many other things together...  a clear indication that you have no compelling arguement against homosexuality and are simply scared of it. homophobic eh?   are you worried that legalizing homosexuality may cause you to act on some impulses you have been so far successful in repressing?     

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2009, 06:10:55 AM »
I was going to stay out of this thread, but I decided I needed to clear something up. Prison sex is not homosexual sex, it is only prison sex. A prisoner is only a homosexual if they have homosexual sex outside of prison, or if they are thinking about dudes when they have prison sex. If they are thinking about women while prison screwing, they aren't gay.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2009, 01:05:13 PM »
Prison baseball.  One is a pitcher and one is a catcher.  the catcher is considered homosexual.  I am not attempting to say pedophilia.  I am saying the schools will and DO teach this as a norm and it is not.  The gay community is very small compared to the vast majority of people.  I am saying that with the advent of what has been happening, regarding homosexuals, children are being taught to accept it as a norm in this country and it still is not.  Freethinker, you did get me on the Supreme Court and I apologize on that particular point.  This country is still supposed to be about the will of the people.  Supposed.  That has gone now.  The people are subservient to the lawmakers and courts.  It is not just about homosexuality.  It is about our entire system breaking down because the people have allowed it to happen.

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2009, 03:02:31 PM »
some folks prefer to have their head in the sand.

prop 8 was passed by the voters. now the court will decide. at least the people got to vote. in iowa they didn't.

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2009, 12:08:24 PM »
"This country is supposed to be about the will of the people" - matrsnot.
 
True. But if the "will of the people" violates the equal rights of their fellow citizens, the vote must be overturned by the courts. It shouldn't even be alowed to be voted on in the first place..
 
The arguement against same-sex marriage is a religious one. Christians don't have the right to tell these people [many of whom are christian] that they are not allowed to be equal to them. Plain and simple...
 
Mike Boone, of Ankeny, Iowa, stands with his wife Joni during ...
 
"Mike Boone, of Ankeny, Iowa, stands with his wife Joni during the opening prayer at a rally against gay marriage, Thursday, April 9, 2009, at the Statehouse in Des Moines, Iowa."
 
 
 

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2009, 01:43:37 AM »
 how do you know only christians voted against it? revisit the prop 8 thread again?

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 01:23:06 PM »
don't try to play "koi" with me fish..   you have said it yourself that same-sex marriage was a religious issue..   let's not pretend that you dont agree with me on that one part of this issue.....
 
let's see....   i'll play your little game..  this is from the cnn exit poll on the prop 8 vote:
 
Vote by religion:
Protestant [43%]: Yes: 65% NO 35%
Catholic [30%]:  Yes: 65%  No  36%
None [16%]:      Yes: 10%  No  90%
 
 
 

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 01:47:28 PM »
Prop 8 was a Constitutional Amendment and the courts should not be able to overturn a Constitutional amendment as Unconstitutional.  However the others were laws set down and subject to court review for Constitutionality, the judges can legislate from the bench.  It is the way of things in these days.

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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2009, 02:41:22 AM »
you just proved it wasn't only christians that voted.