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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2009, 02:19:07 AM »
I have never seen or heard of anything like this.  The web address for what is supposed to be the MO site is not a Missouri Government address.  Now, if they were doing that to keep it secret...then why be on the web at all.

I have very serious doubts about this, if there were such a department I have not known of them and they are listed nowhere in the budget...but yet they claim groups like the Sheriff's Assoc. are affiliated with them.  No need to hide the funding if you are going to say public groups are a part of your org.

I doubt it very seriously.

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2009, 02:22:36 AM »
Have never heard of anything like it, but it sounds like bad news to me. Send a note to JB and ask him if he's ever heard of such an organization. He'll come clean if he has.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2009, 02:00:15 PM »
The MIAC Site is real and correct, the reason it didn't look real is because my server showed up with a strange address, but I have found out it is real, the fundling line is under MIAC, that is why I didn't notice it.  It was set up under Gov. Blunt, I just knew it by another name....sorry about that.

The actual story that is linked is being looked at.  They are not sure where that came from but are looking into it.

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2009, 03:26:04 PM »
Thanks.  Just checking if this is real or not.  Hope you get an answer.

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2009, 11:21:07 AM »
I don't know where the forum got this but....

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=843847&page=1

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2009, 12:21:08 PM »
I was told by the Highway Patrol that the document was real, but it appears some changes have been made to it before it was posted.

Things are pretty sketchy but I know a number of state officials are looking into what is going on with this and the parent site that put some of the information out.

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2009, 12:24:19 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2009, 02:47:10 PM »
I ca't vouch for the post itself.  It was given to me by someone else.  Is the investigation due to the item being made public or because of the way it is written?  Note the comments in the URL you provided.  I guess it is credible to some extent then.  I think there is a small problem there with regard to freedom of speech.  Seems if anyone does not conform to the thoughts of the administration, they are about to be labeled domestic terrorists.

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2009, 03:42:34 PM »
My understanding is they are looking into it because of the way it is written, I don't believe it was a secret document as the one site suggested.  I also don't know what versions they feel were altered, it is on a number of sites and not all of them are the same, which means someone changed some of them.

I am sure we will be hearing more from the Dept. of Public Safety concerning this document, setting the record straight on what the details are.

A place that might have more answers for you is:

Division of Public Information and Education
1510 East Elm Street
Jefferson City, MO 65102
Telephone: (573) 751-3313
mshppied@mshp.dps.mo.gov

I would assume they might be the folks to contact with more detailed questions.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 05:18:40 PM »
From everything we are being told so far, Governor Nixon stands by the report and accepts the information within it.  It appears, while I am not 100% on this yet, that it was done at his request.  At any rate, he does not distance himself from it at all according to his quotes over the weekend.

We are still asking many questions, how it came to be, what is the intention of it's use, etc...  I hope to get some answers later today.  This is very concerning to me.

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2009, 05:41:01 PM »
Thanks, Dave. Many of us are also concerned about it. Nobody wants to be "branded" by the current administration simply because we disagree with their politics. Besides, it's illegal!
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2009, 05:44:43 PM »
I posted more about this on another thread about MIAC, Dave.  I am not only concerned, I am hightly pissed as these people are about railroading the rural citizenry while the "good" complacent city folks are left alone.  This is the very type of government action that could result in negative action and attitude toward the government.  What seemed to aggravate Nixon was that this article made it to the media and is now nationally known.  He HAS to stay with it.  Continue to put out secret documents and he will have hell on his hands.  This is pure bullshit.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2009, 05:47:27 PM »
It appears that many states have a document similar to this, it is starting to be said it came from the federal government.  Again, not sure of that. things are still pretty muddy on this.  TX and CA are supposed to have something similar.

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 06:41:37 PM »
I am not dealing with the racial stuff in this part of the site, want to scream that, start another thread somewhere else.  I removed those posts and the replies.

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 06:48:25 PM »
Fair enough Dave.

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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 11:37:51 PM »
The MSHP has issued a statement, and as much as I love those guys/gals I think it falls far short.  Tomorrow morning we have another meeting and some of the issue may be addressed tomorrow afternoon as we work on the budget for Public Safety.

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2009, 12:13:08 AM »
FYI...

Missourians United for Life

Civil Liberties Complaint Filed Against Jay Nixon for Abuse of State Law Enforcement

Temporary Restraining Order Sought Against Nixon in U.S. District Court

St. Louis - March 23, 2009 - Governor Jay Nixon is abusing state law enforcement and other taxpayer-funded resources to target pro-life Missourians and others he believes to be political enemies in violation of their civil rights according to a complaint filed today with the Americans Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Missourians United for Life filed the complaint and is asking the ACLU to apply instantly for a temporary restraining order against Jay Nixon in U.S. District Court.

The complaint was filed in response to a controversial Nixon Administration report issued by the governor’s Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC). The Nixon report targets pro-lifers as potential threats to public safety and specifically warns law enforcement that displaying “anti-abortion” material may be a sign of a potential threat. When asked by a reporter about the controversial report, Nixon defended it stating that getting such information was something “we’re going to continue to do.”

“What Governor Nixon is telling Missourians is if you disagree with him on the issue of life or display a pro-life bumper sticker or wear a pro-life pin, you may subjected to action by state law enforcement or your personal information might be sent to a law enforcement analysis center,” said Ed Martin, President of Missourians United for Life. “This is a clear violation of Missourians civil rights. The only intent of such a report by Nixon’s Administration is to harass and intimidate the governor’s perceived political enemies and chill speech and open debate by those who disagree with Jay Nixon on public policy.

Jay Nixon’s Administration released the attached report on February 20, 2009. In addition to pro-life Missourians, the Nixon report targets Christians, conservatives and others.

Missourians United for Life has filed a complaint against Nixon with the American Civil Liberties Union and is seeking a temporary restraining order against him.

“We are asking the ACLU to take action to protect the civil rights of pro-life Missourians,” Martin said. “No Missourian should have to worry that they may be pulled over by the Missouri State Highway Patrol if they place a pro-life sticker on their bumper or attend a pro-life event. Missourians United for Life have a right to disagree with Nixon’s pro-abortion views and we will not be intimidated by his bullying.”

To learn more about Missourians United for Life or to join the fight for life go to http://www.MissouriansUnitedforLife.com
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2009, 12:18:58 AM »
Here is a letter I was sent a copy of from Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin.  I uploaded to my host, don't know how to post a PDF on here.  I will probably take it down in a few days, just wanted to share it with  you.

http://staterepday.com/Documents/MIAC%20LETTER.pdf

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2009, 09:34:56 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2009, 09:01:41 PM »
Policy change within MICA.  Document is here:  http://staterepday.com/Documents/Scan00140.pdf

The Lt. Gov, myself and some other House members have asked the Dir. of Public Safety go on Admin. Leave while an investigation be conducted.

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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2009, 01:17:52 AM »
I have been keeping track.  Thanks for your help and information on this Dave.

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