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Author Topic: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients  (Read 4122 times)

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Re: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2009, 08:03:34 PM »

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I would say that the Welfare was designed to help those that fell on hard times, but are trying to dig them selves out of the hole. Unfortunately, the last few decades, we have taught society  that it is easier and OK to lay back and let other tax payers support you. Some of them are making more money off the system than those who put in a 40 hour week working.
I am guessing that 25% of those on welfare are also 2ND generation welfare recipients, and are only doing what they know.
I think we need more community education systems that help people get up and take care of themselves and that this "help" be mandatory. In other words, if you refuse to learn a profession and refuse to take employment, then you also lose your right to free hand outs.
I do believe welfare is a worthy system if it is not exploited, such as a mother of young children whose father does not support them, up until all those children are able to go to school, at that point that mother can get a part time job.
But when you have a house hold of 15-18 year old teens and nobody is working and everyone is sponging, then I see issues.
An adult who has health issues and can not work, I have no issues that they receive something until SS or disability kicks in.
As far as drug testing, I am all for it. You are receiving tax payer benefits, and not one dime should be used to support your habit.
As far as Government workers getting tested, yes they do, under the same circumstances that I am sure this bill will work. If they have an accident or incident, they can and usually are requested to be tested. Perfect example.. ask Chuck Graham about a certain car accident in Columbia that cost him his reelection.
If you are receiving support for a valid reason, and are clean, then I don't see you ever having a problem with this. If you are not, suggest you clean up then or find another means of support.
I knew a guy that turned down a good government job on post because he had to take a drug test and he did not want to quit smoking weed. That was his choice, either quit smoking or take a job else where. He went else where.
Same applies to welfare, stay clean or go somewhere else.
 
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Re: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2009, 08:57:58 PM »
I know for a fact that is not true.

Some of them spend  a lot of time and energy figuring out ways to trade their benefits for drugs, and then finding the drugs.

If they would work as hard at a job as they do getting drugs and getting free money they might be quite wealthy.

Is that the official statement, that people who receive government assistance sit on their behinds and wait for money to be given to them?

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Re: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2009, 09:43:02 PM »
Winston, Critter....some suggestions for a bill?  You are the ones that are wanting it, give me some direction while it is fresh on my mind.  I can make some notes and keep them, been doing that all week with other issues. 

Tell me how you want elected officials tested and lets get started please.  I do know some on your side of the aisle won't care for your/my idea, especially the guy with two DUI's, or several others for that matter.  But that is their problem.  Just remember, my bill will mandate testing ALL of them.

I want to file what you want...that way you can't sit and gripe about it.

Let's go folks.

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Re: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2009, 09:52:50 PM »
I would be shocked to the point of converting to Conservatism if lawmakers actually passed a law requiring themselves to take drug tests to get paid.

Never in a bajillion years.

Why would you have to convert anyway?  There is a Democrat Governor in Missouri, he could always propose that to the legislature...put pressure on us.  Might make those parties in the Governor's Mansion end earlier, who knows.  It was packed the other night. 

Anyway, I am sure you consider him to be a good leader, no reason he can't also work on this.

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Re: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2009, 12:08:47 PM »
Another Dem. Rep. charged with DWI this week.  Not sure how the bill you want will be received by the other side of the aisle.
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Re: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2009, 04:32:43 PM »
I must admit, I am shocked at the huge number of folks contacting me who are on assistance saying this is LONG overdue.  They see the waste and abuse first-hand and are telling me that they are as sick and tired as anyone watching a program intended to help those in need be abused as this one is.

I would think they know as well as anyone.

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Re: From the House... Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2009, 05:45:13 PM »
An interesting aspect of drug testing in the workplace has very little to do with hiring the best / keeping the best.  It has a lot to do however with insurance.  i.e. company liability for injury on the job.
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