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The True Outlook of Obama
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MUST BE....SEND THIS TO EVERYONE TO SHOW JUST WHAT HE THINKS OF OUR
MILITARY WHO FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND GET HURT PROTECTING OUR
FREEDOM!!! I HAVE ANOTHER NAME FOR THIS CREATURE BUT AM TRYING TO
STOP USING THAT WORD FOR HIM....IT IS NOT NICE......

Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon
Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require
veterans carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540
million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for
injuries to military personnel received during their tours on
active duty. The President admitted that he was puzzled by the
magnitude of the opposition to his proposal.

"Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody
made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the
risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It
doesn't compute.." "I thought these were people who were proud to
sacrifice for their country," Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for
blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial
crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to
do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I
underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 04:14:20 PM »
Snopes the all knowing liberal side of things?  this is precisely how Obama came to stopping his insane way to doing business TO our veterans.  He wanted them to pay for the wounds recieved in Battle.  He sure is a patriot in his own right isn't he?  THAT is established fact Winston.
 
Incidentally, I wanted to thank you profusely for your polite reply to my PM yesterday.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2009, 04:18:22 PM »
So it's basically true...only not in so many words.  That is a concern.  If a man joins the military for say...6 years.  In that 6 years he doesn't have any injury or illness.  So he gets out and enters the civilian workforce.  He by all rights should obtain medical insurance for himself and his family.  Then 3 years later, his back goes bad and he blames it on the military, the civilian insurance he purchased would probably not pay and if it isn't documented in his record, the VA wouldn't pay.  If a person has a disability from the military, they will receive treatment for that injury.  Maybe I'm not reading this right, but my son-in-law got out of the military and now has to buy civilian insurance for himself and his family. 
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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2009, 04:22:02 PM »
We are not talking about injuries not service connected.  About such things as being wounded and having private insurance suck up the cost of treatment instead of the VA.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2009, 04:34:21 PM »
When they said to us as kids C`mon and join and we`ll take care of you for life with medical I dont think they computted all the factors in such as the population exploding to unbelievable enormity! And the mass amount of sick and wounded.
They have a budget like everyone else and its just not budgiting and hasnt for a long time. BUT in other thinking-all the rich buisnesses and Big 3 auto and banks its ok to bail them out because IF we didnt there would certainly be a total economic collapse we would never recover from. I sure would hate to be the Commander in Chief today. The man has an enormous pressure job. And on a funny note I saw last night his hairs allready turning gray after just 2 months. Imagine after 4 years? Red Foxx lookalike? LOL
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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2009, 04:44:43 PM »
I saw an email that showed his older self as Red Foxx.  The gray hair is coming to him fast and I don't envy him his job.  I do hold him accountable though for taking care of our vets and making sure the VA is properly funded to handle the situation.
Wants veterans to carry health insurance to cover themselves .
While handing out the freebies to generations of welfare recipients up to and including health care . Traitor is more the correct term. I dislike him more and more every day .( I know preaching to the choir )

 

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2009, 04:57:15 PM »
Snopes the all knowing liberal side of things?  this is precisely how Obama came to stopping his insane way to doing business TO our veterans.  He wanted them to pay for the wounds recieved in Battle.  He sure is a patriot in his own right isn't he?  THAT is established fact Winston.
 
Incidentally, I wanted to thank you profusely for your polite reply to my PM yesterday.

Its telling that you trust an anonymous, unsourced email rather than a website that has been in the same spot for years and actually provides links and sources to their analysis.

And don't try make it sound like I responded in a negative way to your PM, which, as you know but clearly are unable to come to grips with, I ignored.

While you may be unable to appreciate the truth over the lies you so covet, there are people who believe that, regardless of who it makes look bad or who it makes look good, the truth matters more pride.

Get over yourself.

You live a life of lies.

Have fun with that.
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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2009, 05:54:18 PM »
Read it then.  Snopes says he didn't say it in so many words but.... And BTW, the reason Obama backed off was because of the various veteran's organizations bringing so much pressure to bear.
I know you ignored it.  As impolite as I can think of.  Of course, since yo uare so anti-gun, I wanted to know privately why you were interested in obtaining one.  I even invited you to go shooting.  It is a sport and can be enjoyed by all, regardless of political affiliation or leanings.  In other words, I did offer a hand in friendship. 

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2009, 06:25:36 PM »
Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon
Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require
veterans carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540
million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for
injuries to military personnel received during their tours on
active duty. The President admitted that he was puzzled by the
magnitude of the opposition to his proposal.

"Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody
made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the
risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It
doesn't compute.." "I thought these were people who were proud to
sacrifice for their country," Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for
blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial
crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to
do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I
underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."

just the fact that you posted that and actually believed Obama would say that sort of thing to reporters shows that your hatred of him has distorted your view of reality..
 
even if the guy truly felt that way, he's entirely to smart to let some crap like that slip through his lips. and you would have heard it over and over again on the news, not some random email or blog or whatever...
 
even most prominent republicans are giving the guy a chance..  if you notice, he has backed off a few things because of public opposition. which is much more then we can say about g.w.bush.....
 

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2009, 06:39:45 PM »
Not true Freethinker.  The media is still in love with this guy.  The fact is, he had already propsed exactly this type of thing and got shot down by veteran's groups.  Historically, democrats are anti-military.  Obama is in the process of downsizing our military again without thought to what we are up against worldwide.  Same as Clinton did.  That is why we are calling up the NG and Reserves to do what was meant for active duty to do.  The real problem is I am not blinded by his wanting to be popular instead of being President.  The time for campaigning is over.  It is time for him to put his butt to work and stay at home as in working at the Oval Office, if he can find it that is.  I simply do not trust this individual with our country.  He seems bound and determined to turn us over to the UN.  Please see his appointment of Hoh (Tansnationalist) who believes we chould be incorporating Sharia law in this country, as one of the highest appointed lawyers in the State Department.  Obama is going to strip of us our military might so he can look good to the EU and tuen this country into National Socialists like the EU.  We are a Republic and he does not seem to comprehend that. 

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2009, 01:43:13 AM »
the fact is nobama would rather bow to kings than support those keeping this country free and safe
 


 

 

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2009, 11:16:28 AM »
He humbled himself for our greater good.  Observing traditions of other cultures is an easy way to keep relations solid and peaceful.

I say, Good for Obama.  He isn't so arrogant that he won't bow for the greater good of his nation.

It was a display of respect.  Are we as a nation too arrogant and stuck up to show other nations respect now?

Our arrogance will be our undoing.

Remember Rome?  History repeats itself.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2009, 12:35:08 PM »
Even the King was surprised by this "gesture".  As the "leader" of the most powerful nation in the world, he does not need to nor should he be bowing to any of them.  It is not his job to humble this country.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2009, 02:42:57 PM »
his bowing means he is subserviant to the king. no leader should bow to anyone. respect can be shown without bowing

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2009, 03:27:18 PM »
They should be bowing to US but I guess we kiss ass to suck oil. Pitiful!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2009, 04:27:27 PM »
his bowing means he is subserviant to the king. no leader should bow to anyone. respect can be shown without bowing

I've been seeing a lot of ink spilled (well, actually elections, but that's the same thing in today's news media) about this, and I'm seeing much more smoke than light.

Somebody needs to clearly explain accepted protocol for the United States in dealing with foreign crowned heads of state who, like the Saudi monarch, are true monarchs and not figureheads. I am quite willing to believe that there may be an accepted practice of American presidents refusing to follow cultural practices in other nations of bowing to crowned monarchs, and they may very well date back to the founding of the United States as an anti-royalist country. If that's true, the Saudi monarchs and the British monarchs will be very aware of that, and they won't be offended in the least little bit because Queen Elizabeth has dealt with American presidents for two generations and the Saudi royal family have been not just colleagues but close friends of the Bush family for a full generation.

But unless some clear precedent exists against bowing, I see no objection to the American president bowing in a culture where that's a sign of respect. I bow to my Korean father-in-law and to any other Korean man with a higher education level or greater age or higher social status, and in most cases I bow to Korean women who are significantly higher than me in age, education, or social status, because that is expected in their culture. Not to follow their cultural practice would be offensive and give me a reputation as a rude and boorish American with no manners.

I do not claim to be an expert in Middle Eastern protocol. But President Obama is a young man, he's a newly inaugurated president, and it's well within the realm of possibility that a newly installed young Arab leader would also show a comparable level of respect to the King of Saudi Arabia.

Let's get facts on the table and then draw conclusions from those facts, not just attack the president for bowing -- or we're going to get into weird questions of whether President Eisenhower should have bowed to Korean President Syngman Rhee when visiting Rhee's country during the Korean war because he was an elected head of state in his own country being visited by a foreign commander in chief who happened to be saving South Korea from military conquest.
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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2009, 06:52:08 PM »
I've been seeing a lot of ink spilled (well, actually elections, but that's the same thing in today's news media) about this, and I'm seeing much more smoke than light.

Somebody needs to clearly explain accepted protocol for the United States in dealing with foreign crowned heads of state who, like the Saudi monarch, are true monarchs and not figureheads. I am quite willing to believe that there may be an accepted practice of American presidents refusing to follow cultural practices in other nations of bowing to crowned monarchs, and they may very well date back to the founding of the United States as an anti-royalist country. If that's true, the Saudi monarchs and the British monarchs will be very aware of that, and they won't be offended in the least little bit because Queen Elizabeth has dealt with American presidents for two generations and the Saudi royal family have been not just colleagues but close friends of the Bush family for a full generation.

But unless some clear precedent exists against bowing, I see no objection to the American president bowing in a culture where that's a sign of respect. I bow to my Korean father-in-law and to any other Korean man with a higher education level or greater age or higher social status, and in most cases I bow to Korean women who are significantly higher than me in age, education, or social status, because that is expected in their culture. Not to follow their cultural practice would be offensive and give me a reputation as a rude and boorish American with no manners.

I do not claim to be an expert in Middle Eastern protocol. But President Obama is a young man, he's a newly inaugurated president, and it's well within the realm of possibility that a newly installed young Arab leader would also show a comparable level of respect to the King of Saudi Arabia.

Let's get facts on the table and then draw conclusions from those facts, not just attack the president for bowing -- or we're going to get into weird questions of whether President Eisenhower should have bowed to Korean President Syngman Rhee when visiting Rhee's country during the Korean war because he was an elected head of state in his own country being visited by a foreign commander in chief who happened to be saving South Korea from military conquest.
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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2009, 06:53:41 PM »
his bowing means he is subserviant to the king. no leader should bow to anyone. respect can be shown without bowing
What would you know about showing respect either by bowing or any other way? You have a conspicuous lack of respect for anyone and anything that does not fit your little mold.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2009, 08:30:56 PM »
All of that said Darrell, the White House just needs to figure out what the President did.  I do not know what is proper, I know what I thought it was/is but can't prove that so have not said that much about it.  The problem is that about 1/2 of the White House is saying it is fine and proper that the President bow, the 1/2 is saying it was not a bow at all.

If they could just agree among themselves, the thing would go a way a little quicker.  A great deal of the problem with everyone in the nation talking about it is them having mixed stories.

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2009, 12:25:17 AM »
All of that said Darrell, the White House just needs to figure out what the President did.  I do not know what is proper, I know what I thought it was/is but can't prove that so have not said that much about it.  The problem is that about 1/2 of the White House is saying it is fine and proper that the President bow, the 1/2 is saying it was not a bow at all. If they could just agree among themselves, the thing would go a way a little quicker.  A great deal of the problem with everyone in the nation talking about it is them having mixed stories.

We're on the same page here.

The Bush White House was well-known for being tight-lipped and requiring that all staff members stay "on message." What we're seeing now is a combination of:

1. President Obama has a desire (commendable, btw) to be open and transparent, and he allows staff members to speak without top-down clearance. Some of what looks like confusion and disorganization looks that way only by comparison with Bush's centralized control, and having multiple people with different explanations would have been considered ordinary for prior administrations.

Frankly, this has been a major problem with the Bush White House -- there is not one member of the local press corps here in Pulaski County who would tolerate our city, school or county government being run the way Bush ran the White House and the federal government, and many of our citizens wouldn't tolerate it, either. The problems being complained about here on the Pulaski County Web regarding lack of openness with the Waynesville R-VI School District aren't anywhere near as bad as what President Bush created. He had a level of control over White House leaks that Richard Nixon and his "plumbers" could only have dreamed about -- and if Alan Clark or Bruce Harrill tried to do locally what Bush succeeded in doing nationally, they wouldn't get away with it. The main reason Bush succeeded is there is so much institutional hate for the media in the Republican Party that people didn't know reporters well enough to leak things even if they were tempted to do it; President Obama has a staff filled with Democrats who are cocktail party friends of many people in the state and national media, and he couldn't exercise that type of top-down control even if he tried.

2. However, some of what looks like confusion doesn't just "look like" confusion -- it **IS** confusion. To a certain extent that is unavoidable when one party transfers power to another party -- all of the political appointees are gone, together with many of the supposedly nonpolitical civil service personnel who could have stayed but only accepted government jobs because they supported the administration and its policies, and left civil service for lucrative job offers after McCain lost the election.

The first few months of any new administration are problematic because a MASSIVE amount of institutional knowledge disappears in the two months between the November election and January inauguration, but if these things continue more than a few months, it will indicate a lack of management ability by Obama's senior and mid-level staff, and that **IS** a serious problem.
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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2009, 12:57:00 AM »
We are not talking about injuries not service connected.  About such things as being wounded and having private insurance suck up the cost of treatment instead of the VA.

This reminded me of when I used to work on post in the old bld 282.  I processed 4107 (if memory serves me that was the form number) and I used to wonder how a soldier being pregnant could be counted "in the line of duty."   :)
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2009, 01:23:38 AM »
maybe it happened in a foxhole?

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2009, 02:44:35 AM »
We're on the same page here.

The Bush White House was well-known for being tight-lipped and requiring that all staff members stay "on message." What we're seeing now is a combination of:

1. President Obama has a desire (commendable, btw) to be open and transparent, and he allows staff members to speak without top-down clearance. Some of what looks like confusion and disorganization looks that way only by comparison with Bush's centralized control, and having multiple people with different explanations would have been considered ordinary for prior administrations.

Frankly, this has been a major problem with the Bush White House -- there is not one member of the local press corps here in Pulaski County who would tolerate our city, school or county government being run the way Bush ran the White House and the federal government, and many of our citizens wouldn't tolerate it, either. The problems being complained about here on the Pulaski County Web regarding lack of openness with the Waynesville R-VI School District aren't anywhere near as bad as what President Bush created. He had a level of control over White House leaks that Richard Nixon and his "plumbers" could only have dreamed about -- and if Alan Clark or Bruce Harrill tried to do locally what Bush succeeded in doing nationally, they wouldn't get away with it. The main reason Bush succeeded is there is so much institutional hate for the media in the Republican Party that people didn't know reporters well enough to leak things even if they were tempted to do it; President Obama has a staff filled with Democrats who are cocktail party friends of many people in the state and national media, and he couldn't exercise that type of top-down control even if he tried.

2. However, some of what looks like confusion doesn't just "look like" confusion -- it **IS** confusion. To a certain extent that is unavoidable when one party transfers power to another party -- all of the political appointees are gone, together with many of the supposedly nonpolitical civil service personnel who could have stayed but only accepted government jobs because they supported the administration and its policies, and left civil service for lucrative job offers after McCain lost the election.

The first few months of any new administration are problematic because a MASSIVE amount of institutional knowledge disappears in the two months between the November election and January inauguration, but if these things continue more than a few months, it will indicate a lack of management ability by Obama's senior and mid-level staff, and that **IS** a serious problem.
This is a fair assessment of the problem. Some of you more rabid conservatives might consider paying Darrell a little more attention.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2009, 03:00:55 AM »
it wouldn't be a big deal if the white house wasn't lying about it.
it wouldn't be a big deal if nobama hadn't railed about our dependence on foreign oil but bows to the ones ripping us off.
But most importantly, he represents us. when he bows to the saudi king he is bowing for us. I sure as hell ain't bowing to a saudi king whose only agenda is to get as much for his oil from the us as he can.

but then again, it has been suggested he only "curtsied".

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2009, 03:34:03 AM »
When Bush was in office it was okay for Saudi to be our BFF. Now Obama is in and he shouldn't show respect? Why did we invade Iraq when the 911 terrorists were mostly Saudis? Get a grip. Some of you folks are allowing politics to distort reality.
I have it on good authority that the Hokey-Pokey really IS what it's all about.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2009, 11:39:24 AM »
This is a fair assessment of the problem. Some of you more rabid conservatives might consider paying Darrell a little more attention.

It is a fair assessment, but don't hit those "rabid conservatives" too hard, use your memory.  Every president gets the same hard treatment by those that don't either like them or their party, or both.  I am watching some of my good friends and in many cases good supporters hit this president hard and just 8 years ago they were saying "give our guy a chance and some time, he is new".  Those saying to give the guy a chance now were doing the hard hitting 8 years ago and wern't very forgiving then.

I don't like the part of the game this always is, but it is a part of the game and the public writes the rules.  Supporters get more involved in it than do the politicans normally.  So, yea those rabid conservatives need to remember it, but lets not forget what most of the Obama supporters were saying not all that many years ago.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2009, 01:11:56 PM »
Respect is one thing.  Subservience is another.  I wonder when Obam will stop campaigning and start acting like a President.  I don't consider myself to be a rabid conservative, but I do consider myself to be and American.  I don't see BHO doing a good job at this time.  While I am critical of him, I am still waiting to see if he actually does something constructive for this nation.  Something besides putting this country down while on foreign soil.  One thing he has done:  He requested more money for the war and backed up from his original stance.  Amazing what happens when he takes the hot seat huh?  And congress will not even make a mild protest over it I am sure.

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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2009, 03:26:49 PM »
but his response to nkorea's missle launch was to cut missle defense. I stated before nobama was going to screw up the country, he can still prove me wrong. I wouldn't mind.

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Re: The True Outlook of Obama
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2009, 10:48:30 PM »
This is an example of how arrogant we have become as a country.

Just look back at all of your comments...

Its sickening.