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Strip Clubs and Violence
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  So Who Pays the Price?   In my years as a stripper, I witnessed a lot of death and violence within a short period of time.  Too often it was the dancers who got caught in the line of fire.    Think about it, ladies. 
The owners make all the money.
The owners don't have to take abuse from the patrons.
The owners don't have to take off their clothes.
The owners don't risk their lives every day.
The owners don't get stalked by patrons.
The dancers do.  And sometimes they even die, in so many sad and awful ways.
And some call this line of work feminism.
 
The Unparalleled Greed of Strip Club Owners   
  In New Bedford, Massachusetts, there is a strip club called the Foxy Lady.  The owner of the Foxy Lady opened the club only three days after the bloody horror that took place there - a shooting rampage by a customer resulting in multiple deaths.  Good thing he was forced to shut it back down until after the funerals.  Here's my letter to the South Coast Today:   Dear Mr. Brown,   I am a former stripper who worked in a club in Los Angeles, California.  I am not at all surprised at the callous decision on the part of the owner of the Foxy Lady to re-open the club so soon after the tragic deaths that took place there.  My experience working in this kind of establishment proved to me that strip club owners are pretty much of the same moral caliber as drug dealers and pimps, which they often, in fact, are.  Most, if not all, strip clubs are fronts for drug trafficking, prostitution, and money laundering.  I am glad to hear that an investigation will be conducted on the Foxy Lady by the Licensing Board.    I knew a wonderful person, a young man who worked security at a strip club, who was killed by a drug dealer who dealt out of his club.  I also knew a patron who was shot dead at my club in some drug related altercation.  Now we have the Queens, NY incident. The list goes on and on in this business.  If Mayor Lang and the police chief possibly can, they should campaign to drive this club and all of its kind it out of New Bedford.    How many more parents have to grieve like this?  Strip clubs are evil, dangerous environments that are bad for communities and exact a terrible toll on human life.        Parents - A Call to Action
  There were the two shooting deaths in front of my club in 2002 and 2003.  There was the death of a cocktail waitress who worked there at the hands of a drunk driver right outside of the club around that time as well.
There was the negligent homicide in 2004 of my husband's best friend, who worked security at a strip club in North Hollywood. 
In the summer of 2003 a stripper who worked at Score's in New York was found murdered in her apartment.
There was the death in 2006 of Sean Bell in front of a strip club in Queens, New York, and, that same year, the triple-murder/suicide by a patron at The Foxy Lady in New Bedford, Massachusetts.
A stripper associated with Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was shot and killed in a drive-by shooting, some suspect due to her knowledge of certain incriminating facts about the mayor.  These stories are only what comes to mind right now.  There are countless others. 
My question to the parents of these victims is, do you see a pattern here?  What really killed your children?
Mothers of children killed by drunk drivers finally got fed up enought to start an organization called M.A.D.D. - Mothers Against Drunk Driving.  They wanted harsher sentences for drunk driving because they were sick of their kids dying in such a senseless manner.
So I have a suggestion for all of you fed-up grieving parents out there to start an organization of your own, perhaps naming it something like P.A.X.I. - Parents Against the Sex Industry.  Because it is my belief that, like myself, many people who end up employed in this business, as bouncers, dancers, managers, bartenders, actors, or what have you, really have no idea of the danger that they are putting themselves in.  They have no idea of the utterly callous and predatory mentality that is at work in the minds of the owners of strip clubs and pornography companies.  They don't understand that these people are not their friends and don't care if they die in the process of working for them.  Plenty more where that came from, is their cold-blooded view.
You could use this organization to lobby for the outlawing of strip clubs and to raise the age limit from the present eighteen for when a person can legally perform in pornographic films.  You could campaign for tighter restrictions on internet porn, showing legislators and the public that the internet is being used to not only get children hooked on porn, but to accept porn as normal, and even encouraging them to become "porn stars" themselves.
There is nothing like the image of a grieving parent as he or she holds up the photograph of their deceased child to move people's hearts, to inspire people to action.  And action is what we need, for this problem to go away.
 
From an article in Detropolis.com:
"Supposedly, as the rumor goes, Kwame Kilpatrick and friends, which in some stories includes Col. Tadarial Sturdivant the Director of the state police, attended a party at the mayor’s mansion. Two or more strippers were supposed to be performing at the party for the guests. Kwame’s wife, Carlotta who still lived at the family home on Leslie Street, supposedly came to the mansion to check or see her husband. She walked in on the party and an unknown police officer, who was supposed to be watching the door, was unable to keep her out of the house and could not warn the mayor or guests. The mayor was allegedly in the process of of a lap dance by one of the stripper’s, whose nick name is Strawberry. Thus the wife was supposed to have caught the act and attacked the girl. Carlotta is then said to have a baseball bat which she either brings with her or finds in the house, in some versions she has The Club, which she uses to attack the girl so severely that the stripper ends up needing serious medical attention which includes a hospital stay. Upon this occurrence the party halts and the DPD officers escort all out and take the mayor and his wife home.
    As the continuing saga goes, the stripper and other non-police persons end up dead. According to the some police officers a girl who has a nickname of strawberry was murdered. But there is no evidence or proof that the real individual is the same as the one from the rumor. The real individual is supposedly and allegedly, according to the same police officers, linked to the drug trade and prostitution. (As this is just a rumor and no proof exists the girls name will not be used.) Political foes of the mayor added to this rumor by claiming that Kwame Kilpatrick and or members of his staff who may have been at the party had this woman and others killed. The public release of this murder and the rumor from being a gossip piece to a public issue coincided with the news event of a Detroit police officer from the internal affairs division, Lt. Gary Brown, being fired for alleged insubordination. Thus the rumor has few supposed witnesses and those with no links to the mayor allegedly end up dead. This is a convenient way to control a story and a way to make it hard to disprove this rumor."
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Re: Strip Clubs and Violence
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 09:08:15 AM »
I can see how the font would be irritating being all random like that.

Try copying your article over into notepad and then pasting it from notepad into here.  You will loose the code that comes with whatever site you found this one that way.

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 10:17:14 AM »
I can see how the font would be irritating being all random like that.

Try copying your article over into notepad and then pasting it from notepad into here.  You will loose the code that comes with whatever site you found this one that way.
the one in question had been deleted

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 12:45:17 PM »
I didn't know you were a stripper Critter?!

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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 10:23:25 PM »
Yea really!  Where do you work?  LOL

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 10:48:34 PM »
Yea really!  Where do you work?  LOL
I work for myself using my 2 hands and god given talent to create works of art that brings pleasure, joy and enriches the lives of  others without Degrading, harming or selling a product that can cause pain or be harmful to others and have the utmost satisfaction in doing so.

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 11:26:48 PM »
I work for myself using my 2 hands and god given talent to create works of art that brings pleasure, joy and enriches the lives of  others without Degrading, harming or selling a product that can cause pain or be harmful to others and have the utmost satisfaction in doing so.

And now we know what "self righteous" looks like.

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 11:33:26 PM »
And now we know what "self righteous" looks like.
  no its called         '"i love what i do"

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 11:37:43 PM »
I guess we have something in common.  Being a graphic design artists I too create art.  I also paint... though I haven't lately, I have been known to in the past.

What is or is not art is a touchy area.

With your being an artist you should know that you cannot judge what other people might consider art.  Some people consider exotic dance to be an art.  (REAL exotic dance)  Some do not.

This is where the idea of "to each their own" applies.  Unless your what I like to call an art nazi.  LOL.  In which case, we don't have much to talk about because you will have made up your mind on the WORLD already in such a way that there isn't a point in discussing art of anything art related.


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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2009, 11:42:53 PM »
I guess we have something in common.  Being a graphic design artists I too create art.  I also paint... though I haven't lately, I have been known to in the past.

What is or is not art is a touchy area.

With your being an artist you should know that you cannot judge what other people might consider art.  Some people consider exotic dance to be an art.  (REAL exotic dance)  Some do not.

This is where the idea of "to each their own" applies.  Unless your what I like to call an art nazi.  LOL.  In which case, we don't have much to talk about because you will have made up your mind on the WORLD already in such a way that there isn't a point in discussing art of anything art related.
  dehumanizing someone for the pleasures of another is not art

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 12:14:33 AM »
Dehumanizing?  LOL.  I guess that all depends on your perspective of what is right and wrong.

Nobody forces them to do anything.  They do it because they want to.  Just like you do whatever it is you love to do.

What purpose does your art form serve?  Does it bring pleasure to others in some form?

"I work for myself using my 2 hands and god given talent to create works of art that brings pleasure, joy and enriches the lives of  others without Degrading, harming or selling a product that can cause pain or be harmful to others and have the utmost satisfaction in doing so."

They have different tools, but this defines what they do as well.  Harm only comes if they place themselves in an environment that creates harm.  Are some clubs a bad environment.  Yes, some clubs ARE a bad environment.  Though this can be said of many different jobs that are out there.  As far as how this product might harm others... that is again entirely up to your view of right and wrong.  They place themselves in whatever situation they fall in.  We don't have the problems that you outlined in all of your posts about the girls.  If these things happen in their personal life... that's their own agenda.  Everyone controls their own life.  That's called free will.  Generally a destructive person will be destructive no matter what environment that are placed within.  Some people don't belong in this field of entertainment.  Just as some people don't belong in law enforcement or a medical field.  Some people just can't handle it.

Your view of right and wrong doesn't mean anything to anyone other than yourself.  It only effects YOUR choices and YOUR life.  You cannot expect others to follow your views based on the sole idea that YOU believe that these things cause harm to the world.

Your entitled to your opinion and that's cool.  Just don't expect your word to be law or amount to much to anyone who doesn't agree.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.  I'm just making note that I don't agree and not everything you have said it truth as truth would exist without a biased opinion regulated by a personal sense of morality.

What do you do/make anyway?

  dehumanizing someone for the pleasures of another is not art

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 12:24:13 AM »
 You call the girls "products" ?
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 01:45:09 AM »
A product is defined as goods or services that a company makes available; output:

In the entertainment business you are a product.  Whenever I DJ (on rare occassion these days) I become a product.  This would be a service.

Entertainment is a product.  It is a service.

So, yes... when the girls are acting as entertainment, their performance is thus a product just as my DJing is a product.

They're being women does not concern me in the slightest.  They're performance is a product that they choose to sell.  There is such a thing as a male stripper as well.  I don't see gender lines in any field when it comes to production of a product for profit.  They all have free will to do as they wish.

You call the girls "products" ?

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2009, 02:48:23 AM »
 Their young mixed up little girls!
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2009, 02:52:02 AM »
They may very well be... but some people think that your pretty mixed up also Mark.

At the end of the day though... that's just their opinion.  Isn't it?

Their young mixed up little girls!

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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2009, 02:53:57 AM »
NEWS FLASH:  Someone (in this case a stripper) is unhappy about their chosen line of work!!  Big deal.
 
We all whore out ourselves for a paycheck- some sell their brains, some labor and others their bodies.   

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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2009, 03:07:30 AM »
Nudity is an interesting topic really.

Read about its history... and yes... it does have one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity

A lot of this stems from social issues.

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 06:35:13 PM »
Do they still have strip club in Saint Roberts?