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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2009, 03:18:59 AM »

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2009, 03:33:39 AM »
I like the everyone watching idea, lol
When Okie was a young girl she had a tree stand set up on lovers lane so she could get pointers for her next date.
You should of seen the notebook's she kept (3 of then)
just covered with highlighter, stars and check marks.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2009, 03:35:14 AM »
I'll have my father get the tag number or sticker and we'll send it to you.  Also, I'll see if he still has the pics.  I'm certain there is an affair going on, because this is a *DAILY* thing. 

Find out who owns the car, you should be able to pull the number off the base stickers to help identify the owner of the car. Send me the name, pics to me and I will have my husband who is a SGM on post pass it on to the chain of command and it will stop if they are military.  On or off post it doesn't matter,  not allowed.

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2009, 03:55:17 AM »
When Okie was a young girl she had a tree stand set up on lovers lane so she could get pointers for her next date.
You should of seen the notebook's she kept (3 of then)
just covered with highlighter, stars and check marks.
Yep she takes after her brother Right Okie  ???   ;D   :th_gen129: (((**&^^%
 

Good Lord, will you PLEASE stop telling all the family secrets!
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2009, 04:00:33 AM »
Good Lord, will you PLEASE stop telling all the family secrets!
I'm old and I forget sometimes ::)   ::D:   ::D:   :th_gen129:
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2009, 04:03:31 AM »
Sometimes I think you remember all things imaginary. But what do I know, I'm old too, just not as old as you.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2009, 04:06:19 AM »
Sometimes I think you remember all things imaginary. But what do I know, I'm old too, just not as old as you.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2009, 04:26:51 AM »
This is going on every day outside your home?
 
Good grief... nobody should have to put up with this going on daily. Having people do this kind of stuff occasionally is probably unavoidable in today's day and age if you live in an isolated rural "lovers lane" type of area. I know the Old West Gate area a little bit and it certainly qualifies as an isolated place.
 
The only good thing about this is if the people are older, they probably are trying to avoid detection and don't want to pass the location on to all their friends as a good "lovers lane." That means you probably won't have to deal with this once the couple involved moves on to some other spot.
 
However, even if it is just one couple, it needs to stop.
 
Getting the plate number and referring it to the MPs is likely the best solution if one or both of them is military. The Army has resources available to stop this kind of thing that are not available to civilian law enforcement.
 
I have some ideas if the Army and civilian law enforcement cannot or will not act. They include leaving my business card on their windshield with a "You're on Candid Camera" type of note. But I have a feeling that won't be needed -- once the right people in the Army figure out what is going on, they will take care of this pretty quickly. Nobody in Army Public Affairs wants me going to their office, showing them a CD of a soldier "in the act" with a woman not his wife, and then requesting an interview with the provost marshal on why adultery and public lewdness charges have not been filed when a local reporter has clear photographic evidence, along with a written record of repeated complaints by a property owner on which the Army failed to act.
 
PAO knows full well that some stories are tabloid material that grow legs and run all over the media in about 15 seconds. This is one of them.
 
The worst thing about this is that if the military man is older, he's either an officer or an NCO. What kind of judgment is he using in his military life if this amorous couple can't find a better-hidden place for their activities, or at least use the yard of somebody who doesn't mind?
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2009, 04:43:33 AM »
Reminds me of a night I wasnt doing too good and decided to go up to the bluff and watch the sun set. My mind was somewhere else and I totally walked up on some dude and his girl in carnal knowledge.........Not only was she embarrased I Felt stupid because he apparently had been sayin hey were down here and I didnt hear em.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2009, 04:59:08 AM »
I know, I'm off topic, but congrats ole' friend. (tpgunbiz)
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2009, 05:51:09 AM »
Thank you!!!
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2009, 12:34:22 PM »
Darrell, it wouldn't matter even if it was his wife.  The fact that it is going on in public is enough to get the military to stop.  But pictures are almost a must.  I think your ideas are GREAT.  I also know that it is almost as bad having a SGM, not in his unit, go to this guys chain of command and say look what I found on PCW.  It wouldn't be a good day for the guy, trust me.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2009, 02:11:35 PM »
If you can't beat them, join them!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2009, 02:32:10 PM »
Get all the guys to line up at the car, telling them they are there for the train ride. Bet she will not let him come back again.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2009, 02:46:35 PM »
Call and tell them it looks to you like it is an 'unconscious and unresponsive' and it looks like the guy is bent over her doing CPR?
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2009, 03:03:50 PM »
set a web cam up and post a link ........... every one can watch when they eat lunch

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2009, 05:13:52 PM »
Darrell, it wouldn't matter even if it was his wife.  The fact that it is going on in public is enough to get the military to stop.  But pictures are almost a must.  I think your ideas are GREAT.  I also know that it is almost as bad having a SGM, not in his unit, go to this guys chain of command and say look what I found on PCW.  It wouldn't be a good day for the guy, trust me.

No question about it, JuneBug ... the nudity in public view is unacceptable, regardless of any other factors. There are reasons Party Cove is off limits. Let's just say it does not help good order and discipline when E-3s are making comments about seeing a cute lieutenant without her bathing suit.

But I think we both agree that if a 19-year-old PFC was caught skinnydipping with his 18-year-old wife in an isolated part of a river a few months after they got married following three years of dating in high school, his sergeant would give him a good yelling at because he has to, and then probably laugh at the soldier and tell him to "get a room next time."

For this to be done by an older soldier who is probably an NCO or an officer shows a serious lack of good judgment for that rank, especially when the neighboring property owner has repeatedly told them to go away. And if it's an affair going on, that makes it even worse.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2009, 05:42:02 PM »
Why is it legal to be topless at party cove?
 
I was told as long as you are on water in missouri you can be topless. Is this true?
 
No question about it, JuneBug ... the nudity in public view is unacceptable, regardless of any other factors. There are reasons Party Cove is off limits. Let's just say it does not help good order and discipline when E-3s are making comments about seeing a cute lieutenant without her bathing suit.

But I think we both agree that if a 19-year-old PFC was caught skinnydipping with his 18-year-old wife in an isolated part of a river a few months after they got married following three years of dating in high school, his sergeant would give him a good yelling at because he has to, and then probably laugh at the soldier and tell him to "get a room next time."

For this to be done by an older soldier who is probably an NCO or an officer shows a serious lack of good judgment for that rank, especially when the neighboring property owner has repeatedly told them to go away. And if it's an affair going on, that makes it even worse.

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2009, 05:49:28 PM »
Call and tell them it looks to you like it is an 'unconscious and unresponsive' and it looks like the guy is bent over her doing CPR?
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2009, 06:53:42 PM »
Why is it legal to be topless at party cove? I was told as long as you are on water in Missouri you can be topless. Is this true?

The answer is not a simple yes or no, even though there are a lot of people who think it is simple.

People who think it's a simple "yes" risk arrest. People who think it's a simple "no" can get extremely angry when police who know the law better than they do refuse to make arrests. Also, because there are a lot of gray areas where officer discretion applies, it is entirely possible that one person will be told "cover up" and the next day somebody will get arrested for doing the same thing.

And frankly, this becomes a really thorny issue for me because I have to defend people's right to do things on private property that are not very popular in conservative circles. I get a lot of my fellow conservatives really angry at me on this issue, until I explain that the only consistent alternative is a police state banging down people's doors if they're doing something in private that the government or certain other people don't like. I am definitely not a libertarian, but I do believe in limited government and private property rights, and that means I have some views on this that are very difficult to defend to some of my friends.

I'm going to preface what I say by emphasizing that I am not a lawyer. I've dealt with these issues before a number of times and I know the general principles, but I cannot speak to specific issues of state law or how local agencies choose to enforce state laws or municipal ordinances, and court cases can and have changed specific situations. Even when longstanding practice has allowed certain things on certain beaches or swimming areas, that doesn't mean an angry officer won't decide to enforce something that usually doesn't get enforced if someone mouths off to him or does something lewd to her.

In other words, if you want to take off your clothes somewhere in public, don't say I said it was okay. The details of the laws on this are very complicated, and there are a whole series of levels of how the police handle conduct that would be offensive to some people but not to others.

But the basic outlines are fairly clear.

First off, your home is your castle. What you do in your home, or other private buildings that you own, is your own business and if the doors are closed and window shades are pulled down, it's not public space but rather private space and the presence of a group of people doesn't make it public. Years ago this was not true -- places were sometimes considered public if a certain number of people were present, which led to police raids as late as the 1970s -- and it's an important change in the definition of privacy that dates back only about two generations in some states.

Second, many rules change if money changes hands. I'm not talking about strip clubs here; that's a whole different issue.

The basic issue involved in all public nudity that does not involve financial transactions is whether the nudity will offend other people.

That means there has to be somebody who could reasonably be offended. Police have more than enough work to do, and they're not interested in regulating what goes on in somebody's private swimming pool, sauna, whirlpool, or hot tub if it is reasonably private. Just as what you do inside your home or someone else's home is your own business, even though your back yard is technically a public area if it can be seen from someone else's property or from the public street, as a practical matter, if your neighbor can only see over your backyard pool fence from his attic window and he doesn't care what you do in your pool, nobody is going to enforce any technical violation of public nudity ordinances if you like skinnydipping or sunbathing and you've made reasonable efforts to make sure nobody can see you who will be offended.

Now let's take that another step -- it's not your private back yard but rather a nude model in an art studio in a college classroom building. Everybody knows what is going to happen in that class and there is no offense going on so no law has been violated. (Further, there are constitutional law protections on artistic nudity, which is why art galleries are legal, and also why nudity is allowed in R-rated movies and theatrical productions from which minors are excluded without parental consent.)

In all of these examples, everybody who could possibly see the nudity knew what to expect and cannot claim to have been offended.

What do you do with a beach or other location where there is a reasonable expectation by virtually everybody who goes there what they're going to see, but where the location is public and there isn't any way to keep juveniles out and to avoid the possibility of somebody walking in who doesn't expect what they're going to see?

State laws differ considerably on this issue. The current situation for Party Cove under Missouri law is that prosecutors have decided basically to live-and-let-live, since it is very widely known what goes on there and it's seriously questionable whether a local jury would convict. But that doesn't mean you can be nude anywhere on the water in Missouri -- for example, you can't have a nude float trip from the Roubidoux Spring down through Waynesville and decide to suntan next to Route 66. In between those two extremes, most local police are going to be pretty patient if they find a nude sunbather someplace virtually nobody would have seen them and will just tell them to cover up -- but if the same sunbather is drunk and lewd, things could get ugly real fast.
 
Somebody's going to point out that Rick's question was being topless, not male nudity. That question has been litigated ad nauseum in more liberal parts of the country with some women arguing that it's illegal to discriminate against women by barring them from going topless if men are allowed to go topless. Furthermore, there are longstanding precedents regarding nursing mothers. I think even the most strict among us would not want to throw a mom in jail for an honest "wardrobe malfunction" if the baby pulls a blanket down at the wrong moment, and that legitimate exception has been seriously abused by people trying to make a protest point.
 
There are places in the United States where the law or longstanding practice gives greater latitude toward female toplessness than to full nudity by either men or women. Let's just say you probably don't want to push that issue in Missouri outside of areas where nudity has been tolerated for a long time. Somebody walking around topless will get treated differently on a San Francisco beach than on a St. Robert city street, or for that matter, the Roubidoux Spring in Waynesville. The question of offending people who didn't know they would see nudity is the issue here, not whether it's male or female nudity or toplessness.

Make sense?
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2009, 02:11:36 AM »
Why is it legal to be topless at party cove?
 
I was told as long as you are on water in missouri you can be topless. Is this true?
 
I believe so... However, please don't be flaunting your "man rack".  Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's beneficial!  LOL!
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2009, 02:19:33 AM »
Well, I think that vote is out
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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2009, 03:39:04 AM »
OK, I did some more research.
 
Women going topless anywhere in public in Missouri, whether on the water or not, can be interpreted as being a Class B misdemeanor and punishments include being placed on the sex offender registry. The one clear exception is breastfeeding.
 
In other words, don't try while floating on the Gasconade River or while walking in downtown Waynesville.
 
So how does Party Cove happen?
 
The general principles I wrote about before apply -- the nudity has to be offensive to people, and the people being nude had to know (or should have known) that their conduct would be offensive. A good case could be made that anybody going to Party Cove knows what to expect, so the key element of offending the public isn't there.
 
There are also specific problems that are unique to Missouri because of fairly old statutes that didn't anticipate the current willingness of some people to get mostly but not entirely undressed at beaches. Some simple amendments would fix that problem, but making those amendments would open up a hornet's nest of other issues.
 
The end result is that law enforcement probably have legal grounds to crack down hard on Party Cove, but choose not to do so for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is likely that a seriously contested court case would end up with the Missouri Supreme Court effectively writing a law on public nudity that could give a green light to a lot of things that now are questionable. In this case, lack of clarity about what the law allows is probably a deterrent to more of that kind of activity, and to having it happen places other than Party Cove.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2009, 01:05:00 PM »
Someone told me that there are about 4 inches of cigarette butts floating at the party cove.  That is the last place I'd want to be.  Especially with my family.  Nasty freaks.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2009, 01:19:58 PM »
Women going topless anywhere in public in Missouri, whether on the water or not, can be interpreted as being a Class B misdemeanor and punishments include being placed on the sex offender registry. The one clear exception is breastfeeding.

Is there an age limit on the one being fed...sorry had to ask! LOL

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2009, 01:21:01 PM »
 LOL
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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2009, 10:36:12 PM »
He actually will go to the trouble of sending women over to me to grope my chest when she sees me in public. That i enjoy..


I believe so... However, please don't be flaunting your "man rack".  Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's beneficial!  LOL!

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2009, 09:06:20 PM »
Don't know if it's a coincidence or whatever, but they haven't been back since that guy got stabbed on Ft. Wood

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2009, 02:01:32 PM »
I am watching cbs morning show..has a guy who is doing a book called uncovered.  He is taking pics of topless women out in the open in NY city.  when stopped by cops who tell him it is not legal. he pulls out papers showing that a law was passed allowing women to walk around shirtless as men do if they wish to do so!   
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/earlyshow/main500202.shtml?tag=hdr;cnav  story should be available here shortly

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Re: Just out of curiosity
« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2009, 11:44:13 AM »
hmmmmmmmmmm its illeagle but its not the police departments job to take care of the matter.  Now where have I heard that before.  Guess all they get payed for is eating doughnuts