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A Lack of Loyalty
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/obamas_birth_debate_its_about.html

July 31, 2009

Obama's birth debate: It's about loyalty
By James Lewis

The birth debate about Obama is real enough, but it is legally complicated, as analyzed by legal beagle Andrew McCarthy at National Review. No judge is going to question the Constitutional qualifications of an elected president. I'm sorry, but that's the practical reality. The judge is going to follow stare decisis -- the sheer weight of commitments that cannot be reversed without creating chaos. Once the political system of the United States, the voters, the media, and the politicians themselves are all committed to the proposition that Obama is president, trying to reverse it would mean riots in every city in the nation. At some point even debatable claims become irreversible. That is why Al Franken is now the US Senator from Minnesota, even if his election was corrupt and wrong. It's water under the bridge. Leave it to history.

And yet the Obama "birther" debate is important. What's important about it is the feeling a growing number of Americans have in their bones that Obama is foreign -- to our traditions, loyalties and shared understandings about the nature of America. In a way the legal debate matters less than that bone-deep sense that Obama is fundamentally "Other than American."

We all recognized George W as a prototypical American -- even if you didn't agree with him or even like him. There he was cutting dry brush around his modest West Texas ranch house, to keep down the fire danger, while the fat and foolish White House punditry stayed huddled back in the air conditioning. Or flying onto the aircraft carrier in a jet trainer after Saddam was overthrown. Or heading straight to walk Ground Zero with the cops and fire fighters right after 9/11. Bush looked at home with those cops, because he was. He likes those guys, and they like him. They are made of the same stuff. Obama isn't.

Obama is a socialist, which means that his deepest commitment is not to our nation but to the Internationalist Ruling Class. That is why the Left always has to argue that Americans' love of country will kill off the rest of the world -- by global warming, by overpopulation, any excuse will do. The fact that it's all lies proves the point: The Left must lie in order to convince millions of Americans that their normal feelings of patriotism are evil.

These facts are so obvious that they are not even worth arguing about. Obama's first international speech -- characteristically before getting elected -- started with the phrase "Citizens of the World!" Anybody on the Left has to think, "Workers of the World, Unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!" That was the intended message to the left, of course -- that's how David Axelrod thinks, that's how Obama's mentors have always thought -- going back to his way-left mother and his Kenyan socialist father. The interracial affair between the Kansas anthropologist 20-year-old and the Kenyan socialist was itself a revolutionary act, the way these people think. It was a positive good to bear an interracial child, even if the kid was going to be abandoned by his father and mother. From that point onward the Old Left handled the whole chain of custody. Obama was passed along by leftie sponsors, one after the other. Frank Marshall Davis was the Communist Party guy in Hawaii, and wrote for the Hawaiian Communist Party rag. You can trace it link after link, following the Alinskyite chain all the way to the far left wing of the Chicago Machine, then 20 years of being preached at by Rev. Jeremiah Wright (whose brand of Christianity is only Marxism under a transparent layer of lies).

That's our Obama, and that's what he proudly proclaimed: Not Oh Say Can You See/ By the Dawn's Early Light, but Dreams from My (Kenyan Socialist) Father.

This is not a secret. Obama is foreign to America in a way that has little to do with his birth certificate. He could be American-born and still think in this very anti-American way. A lot of people are. But whatever he is legally, there is not a shred of doubt that he is steeped in an Anti-American way of thinking.

This is what I suspect the birther movement is about. Yes, the legalities are suspect. No, it will never make any practical difference. But most important, the birthers are aware of a deep intuition about Barry Soetoro Barack Hussein Obama: That he is profoundly out of tune with the meaning of America since the Founding. He is out of harmony with this country and this culture, like the dissonant scream of a power-saw biting into steel or concrete. He just grates on the American sensibility.

Obama is a Ruling Class Aristocrat -- by intuition, beliefs, and personal egomania. He was born to rule. It's partly that he has always gone to all the elite schools, from Hawaii to Harvard, just like Michelle. But he was put into those schools by the efforts of the left, which is a Socialist Ruling Class movement. The left in its own vision is always Ruling Class To Be that is being kept unjustly from taking over the world. That's why they hate real democracy, why they sneer at Coke and fries, and why capitalism is so bad: Because it constant caters to "vulgar" tastes.

(The fact that the left always claims to help the lowest of the low is just a political tactic. By digging up the most resentful victims -- by race, class or gender -- you bring out the most explosive revolutionary dynamite; it's the people who are the most envious and resentful, who want nothing more than to flip the world upside-down and watch destruction rain down. That's why the Left constantly appeals to the "idealism" of teenagers, the natural rebels. They all want to rock the world. And if it's not teens, it's illegal immigrants, sexual deviants, the homeless, drug addicts, criminals, the racially oppressed, those who hate themselves, the prostitutes, and the mentally ill. Karl Marx called them the Lumpen-Proletariat, the Eternal Underclass who want to smash whatever is. As the Nazi slogan said it, "Alles Muss Anders Sein" -- "Everything Must Be Different."

The left is about the overthrow of whatever is, whether good or bad. The Eternal Underclass is the cannon fodder of any revolution. They are the lowlifes who can be trusted to burn down the Reichstag, to smash the stores of the Jews -- or in Indonesia, of the Chinese -- and to hang the rich from the nearest lamp post. When blue collar workers started to make money the Left didn't rejoice in their new well-being and happiness. Rather, the left just looked for another Underclass: Those who felt oppressed by race, gender, sexual habits, whatever. For the left, any Underclass only exists to be manipulated by the Natural Ruling Class, the Aristocratic Vanguard, the Obamas of this world. That's the only political strategy of the left. That is why they constantly lie and still believe in their own moral superiority.)

So is Obama American-born? I don't know. I bet he never comes up with that vault copy birth certificate for us to examine. But it's never going to matter a hill of beans, because no judge wants to be accused of overthrowing a sitting President of the United States.

But is Obama in tune with the soul of this country as Americans have understood it since 1776?

I think we all know the answer to that.

That is what our political battles will be about, for years and years to come. Don't expect it to be solved soon. It's been going on for a century. It didn't end with American victory in the Cold War. It is most of all a battle for minds and hearts, not for territory -- although territory matters. Conservatives helped win the Cold War, but did not win the battle for the schools and universities. That is why Barry Soetoro Barack Hussein Obama is now President.

Gear yourself up, and don't stop fighting the battle for hearts and minds. It's all-important.

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Re: A Lack of Loyalty
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 01:36:24 AM »
I believe that is the heart of the matter of nobama's bc. which country is he loyal to?

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Re: A Lack of Loyalty
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 01:43:59 AM »
I believe that is the heart of the matter of nobama's bc. which country is he loyal to?
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 12:31:14 PM »
Blind to what Critter?  Obama has been apologizing to the entire world for our successes.  He seems to think cozying up to our enemies will make them want to kill us less.  He seems to think bankrupting the country is ok.  Oh and don't forget he is continuing Bush policies and the MSM is not reporting THAT are they?  So just where do his real loyalties lie?  With the terrorists he hung out with before he became President or with the ones now intent on destroying this country?  I fail to see that he is loyal to this country and Americans in general.

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 01:37:54 PM »
matrsnot and fish, the "Tokyo Rose" of PCW.   I read the crap you 2 guys post and cant help but wonder what country your loyal to.  cant be USA with all the propaganda you guys spew.   

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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 02:24:00 PM »
It certainly cannot be you either.  If Obama farts you seem to want to  be there to get the smell of "roses."  Anything else to you seems to be unAmerican.  Many of us here actually served this country honorably and some are still serving.  We may not like what you say, but that is your right to say it, just it is ours to disagree with the dimwit congress and president many of you elected.  Obama and the current congress (all of them) are failing miserably in supporting and defending the constitution.  They are, in fact, bent on destroying it and this country.  I don't care what you believe.  I suffer through yours and other liberal tirades with screams of racism when THE ONE is disagreed with.  The liberal mindset seems to be to undermine any and all people disagreeing with them in any way they can get the job done.  What you spew is tripe of the first order.  Tell me what is so great about the community organizer?  Is it the fact he is bankrupting the country or that he is determined to further his follies with the false hope of free healthcare or the cap and con agreement with which he can bankrupt the individual citizens?  Dont forget who is going to pay for this folly.  The middle class taxpayer, pure and simple.  We will pay for those too damn lazy to work and who believe they are owed something free purely because they exist.  Why should the middle class pay for big screen tv for those too lazy to earn them for themselves?  Take a look around and see what is happening at townhall meetings.  These "representatives" are afraid of their constituents since they fail to represent and think they are rulers.  Isn't that special?

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2009, 02:46:36 PM »
For all the batshit crazy birthers:

PROOF!

Conclusive proof of Obama's birth in Kenya:




I mean, seriously, you know you've got some SERIOUS mental problems when Ann Coulter calls you crazy.
"There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God almighty Himself hates with you, too. Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side." - Kurt Vonnegut

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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 02:51:35 PM »
This thread is not about his birth.  I could care less anymore.  It IS about his lack of loyalty to this country.  Please try to comprehend what is being discussed.

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2009, 03:13:00 PM »
This thread is not about his birth.  I could care less anymore.  It IS about his lack of loyalty to this country.  Please try to comprehend what is being discussed.

Bwaaahahahahahahahaaa

You nutjobs keep falling back and changing your position.

It worked with Iraq, right?

If at first you don't succeed, shift shift, twist and blame the Democrats!

ATTENTION:


ANN COULTER THINKS YOU ARE CRAZY


'NUFF SAID
"There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God almighty Himself hates with you, too. Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side." - Kurt Vonnegut

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2009, 03:31:36 PM »
Defer from the subject at hand as usual.  He is disloyal to this country.  Read the title Winston.  Enough of liberal policies and idiocy. The certificate is a moot point at any rate.  When he destroys the economy completely, I am positivel I wil lhear you hating him as much as Bush, since he is still pushing all the Bush policies plus his own agenda.

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2009, 03:49:16 PM »
Defer from the subject at hand as usual.  He is disloyal to this country.  Read the title Winston.  Enough of liberal policies and idiocy. The certificate is a moot point at any rate.  When he destroys the economy completely, I am positivel I wil lhear you hating him as much as Bush, since he is still pushing all the Bush policies plus his own agenda.

ANN COULTER THINKS YOU ARE CRAZY!

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2009, 05:02:19 PM »
Who cares?  I dont' like her either.

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2009, 07:40:39 PM »
Click on the link below - (Federal Election Committee website) and then open Form 2.  Anyone, I repeat anyone can apply for the job of president:

http://www.fec.gov/info/forms.shtml#candidates

Therein lies the problem and much of the issues over citizenship - Constitution says xxxxx, but there isn't anything backing it up accept a few states that require such things - nothing national, just states.  That is why a few on the hill are trying to pass national legislation.  Until that happens, anyone can apply and anyone with enough connections and financial backing can walk right in.

I personally believe Obama is loyal only to himself and his backers - but himself first.  I have never in my 50+ years observed a president so full of himself - body language, speech, lack of tolerance for criticism, etc.  Loyal to one.  He isn't campaigning for the next presidency as much as he is the next step - UN.  That's why he wants the world to love America so much.  So they will love him that much more when he makes the next move.

It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2009, 08:08:48 PM »
Disbanding this country and putting it under the umbrella of the UN could be seen as a criminal activity by some.

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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2009, 08:32:00 PM »
Click on the link below - (Federal Election Committee website) and then open Form 2.  Anyone, I repeat anyone can apply for the job of president:

http://www.fec.gov/info/forms.shtml#candidates

Therein lies the problem and much of the issues over citizenship - Constitution says xxxxx, but there isn't anything backing it up accept a few states that require such things - nothing national, just states.  That is why a few on the hill are trying to pass national legislation.  Until that happens, anyone can apply and anyone with enough connections and financial backing can walk right in.

I personally believe Obama is loyal only to himself and his backers - but himself first.  I have never in my 50+ years observed a president so full of himself - body language, speech, lack of tolerance for criticism, etc.  Loyal to one.  He isn't campaigning for the next presidency as much as he is the next step - UN.  That's why he wants the world to love America so much.  So they will love him that much more when he makes the next move.

It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder.


When you are proven wrong in the next few years, will you vote for him as penance?
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2009, 08:39:01 PM »
Didn't vote the th eliar the first time, why would I vote for him the 2d time around?  He could be indicted by then for all we know.  One can only hope.

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2009, 08:44:41 PM »

When you are proven wrong in the next few years, will you vote for him as penance?


Dare I ask proven wrong about what?  The FEC hole is there for everyone to see, and unless national election reform takes place to plug it we may truly see a take-over from within.  Not saying we will with this guy for sure, but the fact that it COULD happen without notice is truly disturbing wouldn't you think?

As far as the man himself.....proven wrong about what.  Get real here, this is a guy that was a virtual unknown to the country and his first major accomplishment in life was an autobiography?  Autobiography?  Please.  It was nothing but a cheap sales pitch.  Problem we have now is it worked.  He was campaigning when he wrote it.
 
And, just for the record - right or wrong I don't do penance.  Not to anyone on this planet for sure.
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King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2009, 01:48:26 AM »
Funny, I feel the same way about you.  What "country" are you loyal to?  We know what president you are loyal to but I want to know what country?  By your postings all I see is Obama butt kissing from you, he can do no wrong.  Haven't you seen anything that he has done that you feel is not in the best interest of the USA?  Be honest!

matrsnot and fish, the "Tokyo Rose" of PCW.   I read the crap you 2 guys post and cant help but wonder what country your loyal to.  cant be USA with all the propaganda you guys spew.   
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2009, 01:48:22 AM »
I don't think it is a surprise which country I am loyal to. however, nobama's loyalties are still not clear. I state what nobama has done to this country and is doing to this country. I don't recall anything he has done "for" this country,yet.

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2009, 06:10:31 AM »
Gotta love that mob mentality.

You people would burn down the barn to find the one mouse who ate your cheese.

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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2009, 01:22:08 AM »
many are beginning to face reality. why are nobama's approval numbers going down? the stock market goes up when his numbers go down,why? a lot of voter remorse is building.