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The Truth about Healthcare
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its seems our propaganda posters TokyoFish and TokyoSnot have been spamming PCW with so much bullshit drivel of late i thought i might set the record straight on some of the lies.
  One of those lies is that they say that if Health care reform is passed then we as Americans will not have a choice of what kind of Health care we want.  In fact most of the people at these meetings seem to think the same thing.  But it is far from the truth.  One of the campaign promises promised by our President was to "Create a National Health Insurance Exchange' and being true to his word he made sure this was placed on the Health care reform bill  HR3200 and it states as follows:
 
After months of talking about health care reform, the U.S. House of Representatives introduced major legislation to overhaul the nation's health care system. House Democrats unveiled the 1,000-plus-page bill, called America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, on July 14, and it includes most of President Barack Obama's key proposals on health reform.

One of Obama's promises was to create a national health insurance exchange. He envisioned people being able to one-stop shop for health insurance, with benefits and coverage spelled out in clear, standardized language.

The House bill creates the National Insurance Exchange under a Health Choices Administration, with a commissioner to run it named by the president. The Health Choices commissioner "establishes a process through which to obtain bids, negotiate and enter into contracts with qualified plans, and ensure that the different levels of benefits are offered with appropriate oversight and enforcement," according to a summary of the legislation from the House Ways and Means Committee.
so you see the cries of socialized health care are unfounded and U S citizens will have choices to choose from and not a "take it or leave it " plan like the Sabators want you to believe

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Re: The Truth about Healthcare
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 02:47:45 AM »
The Bill even has the approval of the AMA which also is happy that the bill will give us "choices" to choose from .  Here is a copy of the letter showing the support of the bill
         
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/amaletter.pdf
 
 

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 03:00:02 AM »
here is more for those who dont have a clue to what is being done and rely on Misinformation that is being pushed around to detour what is in the works
 
 
House Democrats Introduce Bill to Provide Quality, Affordable Health Care for All Americans
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Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:28
The Chairmen of the three Committees with jurisdiction over health policy in the U.S. House of Representatives introduced comprehensive health care reform legislation today that will reduce out-of-control costs, encourage competition among insurance plans to improve choices for patients, and expand access to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.
The legislation is consistent with President Obama's overall goals of building on what works within the current health care system by strengthening employer-provided care, while fixing what is broken.  The bill will ensure that 97 percent of Americans will be covered by a health care plan that is both affordable and offers quality, standard benefits by 2019.
The House Committees on Education and Labor, Ways and Means, and Energy and Commerce have been working together in an unprecedented way as one committee to develop the proposal for health care reform.  This week each of the three committees will be marking up the legislation, allowing for continued input from members of Congress and the American people.
"Reforming America's health care system to control costs and improve access to quality affordable care is not only the moral thing to do, it is also critical to our economic recovery and the long-term fiscal health of our nation,"said U.S. Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY), the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee Chairman.  "Health care costs are rising out of control, threatening the economic well-being of American families and businesses.  This innovative bill provides a uniquely American solution to control costs and put patients first without burdening future generations with debt."
"Today we are taking another step forward towards fulfilling our commitment to deliver what the American people decisively voted for last November - access to affordable, quality health insurance for all Americans," said U.S. Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-CA), the Chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee.  "This bill is among our highest legislative priorities this year.  We have taken great care to build on what we have that works and reform what doesn't.  I look forward to working with my colleagues to refine the bill as it moves through the Committee process.  I am confident that we will succeed in enacting this landmark reform into law."
"American families cannot afford for Washington to say 'no' once again to comprehensive health care reform," said U.S. Rep. George Miller (D-CA), the Chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee.  "We are proud to introduce legislation that meets the goals articulated by President Obama - to lower costs, preserve choice, and expand access to quality, affordable health care - while strengthening our economic and fiscal health.  We will continue to work with our colleagues in the weeks ahead to deliver the fundamental reforms that the American people want, need and deserve."
"I'm pleased by the progress we've made on the America's Affordable Health Choices Act.  Across the political spectrum - from liberal to conservative with moderates in between - everyone knows health care is a major part of our current economic crisis," said U.S. Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), the Chairman Emeritus of the Energy and Commerce Committee.  "If left unfixed, our health care crisis will cause the next great economic catastrophe.  We can't afford to let medical costs continue to rise.  We can't afford to leave people in a system that looks to recruit the healthy and leave the sick uninsured, underinsured or uncertain about their insurance.  The current broken health care system will not fix itself and the people who made billions from it have no reason to change their ways unless we make them.  The bill will address many of the problems we've heard from Americans whether they live in rural or urban communities, or are employed by small businesses and large factories.  What we know now is that we must get something done."
"I am proud to join with my colleagues to introduce America's Affordable Health Choices Act.  This bill meets President Obama's call for health reform that provides coverage for all, promotes delivery system reforms, and controls costs," said U.S. Rep. Pete Stark(D-CA), the Chairman of the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health. "Our committee will begin markup this week and have a bill for members to approve before the August recess."
"People have talked about the need for health care reform for decades, but today that talk is being converted into action," said U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone, Jr.(D-NJ) the Chairman of Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health.  "This plan will produce historic change but making history does not come easily.  It's taken a lot of hard work and we have more work to do.  This is a giant step forward that puts affordable and quality health care within reach of every American and puts our country back on track to fiscal sustainability."
"Today we are pleased to announce a plan designed to free financial waste within our health care system and get costs under control.  This effort ensures that Americans receive better care for their dollar and paves the way for economic growth," said U.S. Rep. Rob Andrews (D-NJ), the Chairman of the Health, Employment, Labor and Pensions Subcommittee.  "While government, businesses and insured Americans continue to bear the heavy financial burden for those who cannot afford coverage, limiting costs will free up the resources necessary to revitalize our economy, put Americans back to work, and expand health care to millions of struggling uninsured Americans."
The key principles of legislation include, among other things:
Increasing choice and competition.  First, the bill will protect and improve consumers' choices.
  • If an individual likes their current plan, they will be able to keep it.
  • For individuals who either aren't currently covered, or wanted to enroll in a new health care plan, the proposal will establish a health care exchange where consumers can select from a menu of affordable, quality health care options: either a new public health insurance plan or a plan offered by private insurers. People will have similar choices that members of Congress have.
  • This new marketplace will reduce costs, create competition that leads to better care for every American, and keep private insurers honest. Patients and doctors will have control over decisions about their health care, instead of insurance companies.
Giving Americans peace of mind.  Second, the legislation will ensure that Americans have portable, secure health care plans - so that they won't lose care if their employer drops their plan or they lose their job.
  • Every American who receives coverage through the exchange will have a plan that includes standardized, comprehensive and quality health care benefits.
  • It will end increases in premiums or denials of care based on pre-existing conditions, age, race, or gender.
  • The proposal will also eliminate co-pays for preventative care, cap out-of-pocket expenses, and guarantee catastrophic coverage that protects every American from bankruptcy.
Improving quality of care for every American.  Third, the legislation will ensure that Americans of all ages, from young children to retirees have access to greater quality of care by focusing on prevention, wellness, and strengthening programs that work.
  • Guarantees that every child in America will have health care coverage that includes dental and vision benefits.
  • Provides better preventative and wellness care. Every health care plan offered through the exchange will cover preventative care.
  • Grows the health care workforce to ensure that more doctors and nurses are available to provide quality care as more Americans get coverage.
  • Strengthens Medicare and Medicaid so that seniors and low-income Americans receive better quality of care and see lower prescription drug costs and out-of-pocket expenses.
Ensuring shared responsibility.  Fourth, the bill will ensure that individuals, employers, and the federal government all share responsibility for a quality and affordable health care system.
  • Employers who currently offer coverage will be able to continue offering coverage to workers. Employers who don't currently offer coverage could choose to cover their workers or pay a penalty.
  • All individuals would be required to get coverage, either through their employer or the exchange, or pay a penalty.
  • The federal government will provide affordability credits, available on a sliding scale for low- and middle-income individuals and families to make premiums affordable and reduce cost-sharing.
Protecting consumers and reducing waste, fraud, and abuse.  Fifth, the legislation will put the interests of consumers first, protect them from any problems in getting and keeping health care coverage, and reduce waste, fraud, and abuse.
  • Provides complete transparency in plans in the health exchange so that consumers have the clear, complete information needed to select the plan that best meets their needs.
  • Establishes Consumer Advocacy Offices as part of the exchange in order to protect consumers, answer questions, and assist with any problems related to their plans.
  • Will identify and eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse by simplifying paperwork and other administrative burdens. Patients, doctors, nurses, insurance companies, providers, and employers will all encounter a streamlined, less confusing, more consumer friendly system.

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Re: The Truth about Healthcare
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 04:04:26 AM »
how well has medicare been managed? tricare? medicade?

the CBO shoots down the plan  www.cbo.gov

I don't think the ama speaks for these dr.s ? http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6563705.html

to cut through the crap, read the bill http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

go through the list you say is bs. you will find otherwise. maybe start with page 50. illegals are covered.

but read the bill so you will know what you are talking about.

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Re: The Truth about Healthcare
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 04:12:15 AM »
start on page 65, taxpayer funded retiree(some aged 55) healthcare. this is a payoff to the unions. where does the $10bil come from?

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Re: The Truth about Healthcare
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2009, 11:46:51 AM »
the truth according to Rangel?  I believe he is under investigataion along with several other congressional members, most of whom are democrats.  This guy has been full of it from day one.  In other words, his words are lies.

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 03:07:07 PM »
Georgia Democrat yells at local doctor over health care


Tensions are running so high at town hall meetings that Rep. David Scott, a Georgia Democrat, yelled at a local doctor concerned about health care after mistaking him for an "astroturf" political operative looking for a fight.

Mr. Scott became visibly agitated when one of his constituents, a practicing doctor, asked a few questions about health care reform during a town hall meeting. The meeting was held to discuss a road project, but was opened up for questions near the end. That's when Dr. David Hill stood up to speak.

Dr. Hill asked Mr. Scott why he was going to vote for a health care plan similar to that implemented in Massachusetts "that is shown not to work" and if he supported a government-provided health care insurance option.

The congressman replied by accusing the doctor of "hijacking" his event.

"I'm listening to my constituents, OK?" Scott said, "These are people who live in the 13th Congressional district, who vote in this district. Thatís who Iíve got to respond to Ö So what youíve got to understand, those of you who are here, who have taken and came and hijacked this event we dealing with here, this is not a health care event."

"You chose to come and to do it on your own," he yelled. "Not a single one of you had the decency to call my office and set up for a meeting." He went on, in a threatening voice, "You want a meeting with me on health care, I'll give it to you!"

The outburst is yet another example of how confrontational town hall meetings have become over recent weeks, as constituents are becoming more forthright in asking their elected representatives challenging questions. These actions and other forms of protest have been encouraged by limited government advocacy groups opposed to the stimulus package, the Democrats favored health care reforms and other big spending government proposals.

The White House has labeled these efforts "astroturf", shorthand for fake grassroots. To combat these efforts, groups supporting these plans ó such as Service Employees International Employees Union ó have been appearing at these town halls as well, effectively creating local "showdowns" between opposing political powers.

Mr. Scott's public tirade against the doctor was filmed by WXIA-TV News, a local NBC affiliate that confirmed the doctor lived in the congressman's district in a follow-up interview.

The doctor told the reporters he wasn't working for any outside causes and had called Mr. Scott's office repeatedly, asking to speak with the congressman.

"I did not go to a meeting to create any problems, I went to the meeting to literally ask a question that I thought was very, very important for my patients," he said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/aug/08/georgia-democrat-rages-against-local-doctor-over-h/

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 03:31:18 PM »
how well has medicare been managed? tricare? medicade?

the CBO shoots down the plan  www.cbo.gov

I don't think the ama speaks for these dr.s ? http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6563705.html

to cut through the crap, read the bill http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

go through the list you say is bs. you will find otherwise. maybe start with page 50. illegals are covered.

but read the bill so you will know what you are talking about.
   exactly why we need reform...DUH!

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 03:36:41 PM »
Georgia Democrat yells at local doctor over health care


Tensions are running so high at town hall meetings that Rep. David Scott, a Georgia Democrat, yelled at a local doctor concerned about health care after mistaking him for an "astroturf" political operative looking for a fight.

Mr. Scott became visibly agitated when one of his constituents, a practicing doctor, asked a few questions about health care reform during a town hall meeting. The meeting was held to discuss a road project, but was opened up for questions near the end. That's when Dr. David Hill stood up to speak.

Dr. Hill asked Mr. Scott why he was going to vote for a health care plan similar to that implemented in Massachusetts "that is shown not to work" and if he supported a government-provided health care insurance option.

The congressman replied by accusing the doctor of "hijacking" his event.

"I'm listening to my constituents, OK?" Scott said, "These are people who live in the 13th Congressional district, who vote in this district. Thatís who Iíve got to respond to Ö So what youíve got to understand, those of you who are here, who have taken and came and hijacked this event we dealing with here, this is not a health care event."

"You chose to come and to do it on your own," he yelled. "Not a single one of you had the decency to call my office and set up for a meeting." He went on, in a threatening voice, "You want a meeting with me on health care, I'll give it to you!"

The outburst is yet another example of how confrontational town hall meetings have become over recent weeks, as constituents are becoming more forthright in asking their elected representatives challenging questions. These actions and other forms of protest have been encouraged by limited government advocacy groups opposed to the stimulus package, the Democrats favored health care reforms and other big spending government proposals.

The White House has labeled these efforts "astroturf", shorthand for fake grassroots. To combat these efforts, groups supporting these plans ó such as Service Employees International Employees Union ó have been appearing at these town halls as well, effectively creating local "showdowns" between opposing political powers.

Mr. Scott's public tirade against the doctor was filmed by WXIA-TV News, a local NBC affiliate that confirmed the doctor lived in the congressman's district in a follow-up interview.

The doctor told the reporters he wasn't working for any outside causes and had called Mr. Scott's office repeatedly, asking to speak with the congressman.

"I did not go to a meeting to create any problems, I went to the meeting to literally ask a question that I thought was very, very important for my patients," he said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/aug/08/georgia-democrat-rages-against-local-doctor-over-h/
  WTF HAS THIS TO DO WITH MY POST.?    where are the comments about how you still think that the Goverment is going to push 1 plan down everyones throut?....  i prove you guys are full of bull---- and you can even fight back over items i post you have to throw crap in here that has nothing to do with it...  where is the denials about national health insurance exchange?     

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 03:47:12 PM »
Well, the current regime is attempting to shove this program down our throats and without bothering to even the read the bill.  THAT should tell you something.  The last time that happened, it was under the Bush regime and that was the patriot act.  Nobody knew what it said until AFTER it was signed into law.  And Obama has not gone to congress to rescind that act either.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  Not accepting this change without it ever having been read by the so-called representatives and ensuring THEY understand what they are doing to us.  This plan is, in my estimation, a huge mistake.  That is all I really have to say about the plan itself.  Accepting the word of Rangel makes me suspect there are more lies than truth going on here.
Critter, I realize you are trying very hard to make us understand your point of view.  Somehow, I cannot process information the same way those of the liberal persuasion do.  I am not a bleeding heart, nor am I cold hearted.  I cannot, in my mind, conceive how this will benefit anyone at all, let alone those uninsured.  Perhaps the illegals will gain, but that is all.  Please remember what the CBO had to say about this bill also.  Not sustainable or practical.

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 03:53:00 PM »
Well, the current regime is attempting to shove this program down our throats and without bothering to even the read the bill.  THAT should tell you something.  The last time that happened, it was under the Bush regime and that was the patriot act.  Nobody knew what it said until AFTER it was signed into law.  And Obama has not gone to congress to rescind that act either.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  Not accepting this change without it ever having been read by the so-called representatives and ensuring THEY understand what they are doing to us.  This plan is, in my estimation, a huge mistake.  That is all I really have to say about the plan itself.  Accepting the word of Rangel makes me suspect there are more lies than truth going on here.
   what words of rangel are you talking about....the AMA letter was addressed to mr rangel, are you saying it is a lie?
   and if its all you have to say about the plan why are you posting lies in other threads?

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 04:01:29 PM »
nobama doesn't even know what's in the bill,he admitted so.

Any program the gov't manages fails,reform will not improve it, unless it is part of the market economy. gov't run will not work as evidenced by ss,medicare,medicade.
 
not all drs. support the healthcare scheme.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2009, 04:14:57 PM »
page 72(lines8-14),84 gov't want to bring  private health care policies under gov't control. read!

the exchange you talk about is exchanging private hc plans (that you chose to enroll in and pay for) for a gov't hc plan that you have to enroll in, because it is the only hc plan available. you will have no choice. either enroll or have your modified adjusted gross income taxed at 2.5%(page 167 lines 18-23)

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2009, 05:12:12 PM »
ANYTHING Rangel brings up is totally suspect.  I don't care WHERE he SAYS he got it from.  He is like Barney Frank who would not know the truth if it bit him in the ass.  they are trying to shove this through without even reading it and WHO wrote it BTW?
 
Nobody is reading it:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf