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David Horowitz of FrontPage Magazine explores the roots of Barack Hussein Obama's philosophies and his unspoken ultimate goals for our nation: the current system's total destruction, to be replaced by a totalitarian regime a la Stalin's USSR. Obama's driving force is none other than '60s radical Saul Alinsky, who dedicated his seminal work to the devil.
Read the first four parts at http://frontpagemagazine.com/listBlogs.aspx
 
Alinsky, Beck, Satan and Me

By David Horowitz
http://frontpagemagazine.com/
  Glenn Beck will be on vacation this week but when he returns on the 24th he has invited me to come to New York to talk to him on camera about Saul Alinsky, the strategy guru of the Obama era. For the Hillary-Soros generation of johnny-come-lately radicals and their ACORN footsoldiers, Alinksy is their Sun-Tzu and his book Rules for Radicals is the field manual for their struggle. I thought while I'm refreshing my acquaintance with this destructive fellow and re-reading his text, I would share my thoughts with readers of the NewsrealBlog serially over the next week.
For this first post, let's just focus on the dedication of the book -- to Satan:
"Lest we forget, an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical." (Pause here for second. Now continue): "from all our legends, mythology, and history(and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."
So Alinsky begins by telling readers what a radical is. He is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer. This is something that conservatives have a very hard time understanding. Conservatives in my experience are all together too decent, too civilized to match up adequately, at least in the initital stages of the battle, with their adversaries. They are too prone to give them the benefit of the doubt. Radicals can't really want to destroy a society that is democratic and liberal and has brought wealth and prosperity to so many. Oh yes they can. That is in fact the essence of what it means to be a radical -- to be willing to destroy the values, structures and institutions that sustain the society we live in. Marx himself famously cited Alinsky's first rebel (using another of his names -- Mephistopheles): "Everything that exists deserves to perish."
This is why ACORN activists for example have such contempt for the election process, why they are so willing to commit fraud. Because just as Lucifer didn't believe in God's kingdom, so the radicals who run ACORN don't believe in the democratic system. To them it's a fraud -- an instrument of the ruling class, or as Alinsky prefers to call it, the Haves. If the electoral system doesn't serve all of us, but is only an instrument of the Haves then election fraud is justified, is a means of creating a system that serves the Have-Nots -- social justice. Until conservatives begin to understand exactly how dishonest radicals are -- dishonest in their core -- it is going to be very hard to defend the system that is under attack. For radicals the noble end -- creating a new heaven on earth -- justifies any means. And if one actually believed it was possible to create heaven on earth who would not willingly destroy any system hitherto created by human beings?
 
Read it all -- and think about what it means if our nation falls into his trap.
BTW, this also might give a few PCWebbers some insight into people like What_The? who seem to want to trash everybody who even remotely tries to engage in a reasoned discussion of Obama's radical ways. The first defense of leftist-socialist radicals of Alinsky's ilk is to personally trash everybody who disagrees with them -- character assassination instead of reasoned discourse. WT seems to fall easily into that category of disseminator-prevaricator-destroyer.
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!"

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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 05:52:18 PM »
Jesus, you people really need to get a f**king grip on reality.

This is seriously beyond batshit crazy and right into lock them up and throw away the key time.
"There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God almighty Himself hates with you, too. Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side." - Kurt Vonnegut

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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 06:01:00 PM »
That piece by David Horowitz is a reasoned discussion? "Conservatives in my experience are all together too decent, too civilized to match up adequately, at least in the initital stages of the battle, with their adversaries. They are too prone to give them the benefit of the doubt." That has got to be the best line in there. Too funny!

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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 06:52:27 PM »
WT, Chas,
It makes a lot more sense than the spastic garbage you two spew out.
I lived through the radical '60s and saw the pustulence spawned by the SDS and other Alinsky-style radicals. I have since watched American society deteriorate as Christianity and other moral imperatives have been pushed to the sidelines. Today's rampant drug-sex-crime-infested culture is a direct result of the moral license engendered by that "anything-goes" rebellious generation.
It's time for a resurrection of the rule of law and revival of personal responsibility and genuine respect for moral character. It's time for a renewal of a godly morality based on G-d's word and His law.
No, I don't expect you guys to understand or respect that. I suspect you are both too simple to really do the hard work of really exploring issues such as morality, character, righteousness, purity, judgment, or loyalty.
Whatever makes ya feel good, right?
However, just in case I'm wrong about your intellectual capabilities, I invite you to counter Horowitz's characterization of Alinsky's philosophy and its influence on the current administration as evidenced by Obama's own statements and actions since he has become our president.
 
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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 08:01:03 AM »
You said Christianity and later you said God... so, I will assume you are refering to the Christian God 100%

Not very American.

This is America.  Land of the free.

That goes for freedom of religion too.

Christianity did not invent morality and morality sure does not dissapear without it...

If anything... ultimatly... your Christianity has contributed MORE to the downfall of morality than has any form of sex, drugs OR rock n' roll.  LOL.

Christianity encourages self-imposed ignorance and blind stupidity...  EDUCATION is an evil word among Christians... at least REAL non hoodoo infused education... and over the years the crappy education system in American has gotten worse and worse... and as a result... well... look around you.

They lied when they told you that ignorance was bliss my friend.

I have since watched American society deteriorate as Christianity and other moral imperatives have been pushed to the sidelines. Today's rampant drug-sex-crime-infested culture is a direct result of the moral license engendered by that "anything-goes" rebellious generation.
It's time for a resurrection of the rule of law and revival of personal responsibility and genuine respect for moral character. It's time for a renewal of a godly morality based on G-d's word and His law.
No, I don't expect you guys to understand or respect that. I suspect you are both too simple to really do the hard work of really exploring issues such as morality, character, righteousness, purity, judgment, or loyalty.
Whatever makes ya feel good, right?
However, just in case I'm wrong about your intellectual capabilities, I invite you to counter Horowitz's characterization of Alinsky's philosophy and its influence on the current administration as evidenced by Obama's own statements and actions since he has become our president.
 

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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 01:08:45 PM »
You said Christianity and later you said God... so, I will assume you are refering to the Christian God 100%

Not very American.

This is America.  Land of the free.

That goes for freedom of religion too.

Christianity did not invent morality and morality sure does not dissapear without it...

If anything... ultimatly... your Christianity has contributed MORE to the downfall of morality than has any form of sex, drugs OR rock n' roll.  LOL.

Christianity encourages self-imposed ignorance and blind stupidity...  EDUCATION is an evil word among Christians... at least REAL non hoodoo infused education... and over the years the crappy education system in American has gotten worse and worse... and as a result... well... look around you.

They lied when they told you that ignorance was bliss my friend.

Yes, America, land of the free. Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Don't get confused.
 
Freedom of speech, too, which means I am free to expound on my religion, my Jesus. To term my words "not very American" is not very American of you.
 
You say my "... Christianity has contributed MORE to the downfall of morality than has any form of sex, drugs OR rock n' roll." I wholeheartedly agree that "religion," even the Christian religion, has damaged many millions of people, but Jesus Christ has not. Men, in the name of Christianity, have hurt many people who have sought solace in Christianity, but what else do you expect from sinful men?  That's the state of mankind without Jesus. Jesus Christ, the son of G-d, is not a sinful man.  This sinless man, who is also G-d, can heal, can forgive, can set free, can do what religion can only claim to do.
 
Yes, Christianity in many of its guises, has promoted ignorance and blind faith, but I assure you I am neither ignorant nor blind in my faith. I came back to Jesus Christ after trying everything else for 32 years. I searched many of the world's religions, many supposed paths to enlightenment, Nirvana, heaven, bliss -- whatever words man has coined to call that elusive goal --and found only one way: Jesus. Not religion. Not Christianity. Not church or Church. Just Jesus. The word says, "He is the way, the truth and the life," and I have found that to be true by experiencing him. Not blind faith. Working, searching, researching, meditating, exploring, studying faith.
 
I agree that the American education system has gone downhill in the last decades. Is it any coincidence that prayer was taken out of school right around the beginning of that long, downhill slide? I don't think so. Prayer was banned and license took over. Discipline and order was set aside so little Johnny wouldn't have his self-esteem damaged. (Where does real self-esteem come from? From learning and practicing difficult tasks and succeeding in mastering them.) Little Johnny doesn't give a rat's patooty about self-esteem; he wouldn't recognize it if it bit him on the nose. He just thinks teachers are softies he can get over on and do whatever please his little "me-me-me" ego. He wants it and he wants it now. Of course. He's a sinful child of sinful parents. Without prayer (and Jesus) in the schools, the sinful children take over and chaos reigns.
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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 01:19:43 PM »
BTW, you don't have to be very bright to shine in the darkness!
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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 03:20:01 PM »
Ex-Ed,
Because I question something that you cut and paste. You want to call me simple, you want question my character and challenge me counter the statement. When instead it should be you that proves what you have pasted. If you really believe that conservatives are too decent, give me an example. I said before and if not here, I will state it now, far left or far right is a dangerous thing. That is my opinion; oh I forgot we are not suppose to have our own opinions.  We should agree with whatever you say and paste. You should get over yourself.

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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 05:50:36 PM »
Ex-Ed,
Because I question something that you cut and paste. You want to call me simple, you want question my character and challenge me counter the statement. When instead it should be you that proves what you have pasted. If you really believe that conservatives are too decent, give me an example. I said before and if not here, I will state it now, far left or far right is a dangerous thing. That is my opinion; oh I forgot we are not suppose to have our own opinions.  We should agree with whatever you say and paste. You should get over yourself.

I started this thread by posting something I thought was important for people to read. That does not mean I agree with everything in it.
You come back and slam one line in the whole thing and ask me for an example. I can cite many examples by people in my own circle of acquaintances. I can cite Rep. David Day, one of the few honest politicians I know.
Can you cite examples that prove your point, that what Horowitz wrote about conservatives being kind people is hogwash? I'm sure you can.
But neither my examples of kind conservatives nor your examples of unkind conservatives refutes the contention that radical leftists like Saul Alinsky, Barack Obama, and other are trying to destroy the America that our forefathers created, one based on principles of free enterprise, free ideas, free speech, and freedom of the individual. They are trying to replace it with socialist principles that repress and control, that force citizens into their mold, that force citizens to conform to their idealist (and wrong) visions of how they think people should be controlled and governed.
Is the free enterprise system perfect? No way. But is does allow for the creation of wealth (which no socialist government has ever done) which allows for other creative activities and opportunities for groups and individuals such as the arts, scientific research, lunar and other space expeditions and much, much more.
Socialism gives the world only one thing -- control of the many by the few -- which benefits only the few chosen ones, the ones in charge.
You can doubt all the claims of kindness in conservatives all you want, but can you dismiss Horowitz' entire review of Alinsky's writings on that basis alone? If you can, yes, you are that simple!
BTW, ref your rant against extremists: It was the middle-of-the-roaders (MOTRs) in Germany who allowed Hitler to rise to power and wreak havoc on the European continent. They didn't stop him when they could, and they didn't protest when he started invading other nations and killing "misfits" and "undesirables." MOTRs are useless when the chips are down!
Also, I have never said people don't have the right to disagree with me. But if you do, don't just call me names and dismiss my ideas out of hand. Stand up like a man and cite your sources, show me your examples, give me YOUR evidence. Convince me that I'm wrong!
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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2009, 06:43:09 PM »
First youíre the one calling people names. Second yes I could go find examples of conservatives and liberals for that matter of doing good and bad deeds. What I was getting at was that one line was funny and untrue. It is a bad generalization. Why does my opinion have to be a rant? Here is a question for you. This is what you posted at the end of that editorial. ď Read it all -- and think about what it means if our nation falls into his trap.
BTW, this also might give a few PCWebbers some insight into people like What_The? who seem to want to trash everybody who even remotely tries to engage in a reasoned discussion of Obama's radical ways. The first defense of leftist-socialist radicals of Alinsky's ilk is to personally trash everybody who disagrees with them -- character assassination instead of reasoned discourse. WT seems to fall easily into that category of disseminator-prevaricator-destroyer.Ē Isnít that exactly what you did when you called me simple and questioned my character and morality etc...? All I did was disagree and thought that line was funny.
  I never said MOTR was good, I said far is bad. A person can lean one way or the other but you donít have to be radical about and both parties have them. Iím not going to try to convince you anything. There is nothing I could say or paste that would make you change your mind.

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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 11:02:47 PM »
I'm not going to defend everything in Horowitz's essay.

Let's forget, for the moment, the characterization of conservatives as "too nice." I think a better way to make Horowitz's point is to say that conservatives place high importance on order, respect for authority, and the rule of law. Notice, for example, how I am very careful to refer to President Obama, Senator Boxer, etc.? I am commanded by the Word of God and the example of Jesus Christ himself to show proper respect for those in legitimate positions of authority. Secular conservatives can, and usually do, draw the same principles from constitutional law that I draw from Scripture.

As a result, an inherent weakness of conservatives, when facing an onslaught of attacks from revolutionary liberals, is that we conservatives usually don't know how to respond to Alinsky-style attacks that strike at the core of order in society.
 
(Notice that I am not condemning all liberals for this. I am deliberately being careful to distinguish sixties radicals like Students for a Democratic Society, earlier groups like the Bolsheviks and Maoists, and their even earlier forebears in the French Revolution from many other types of non-revolutionary liberals like FDR, JFK, or most of the American labor union movement. To be a liberal is not necessarily to oppose constitutional government; Jefferson and Franklin are also part of our American constitutional heritage.)

I'm old enough to remember the Reagan Revolution and the internal debate within the Republican Party about what to do with our own "radical right." Fortunately, that worked out more-or-less because of Reagan's own grandfatherly demeanor, his example of personal decency, his distaste for the bombthrowers in the GOP, and his emphasis on cultivating both an academic elite of conservative scholars and the blue-collar "Reagan Democrats" that succeeded in bringing most of the old conservative southern and ethnic Democratics into the Republican Party, and partially succeeded in bringing Catholic working-class union Democrats into the Republican Party based on the issues of abortion and social morality, despite the opposition of many of their union leaders.

I remember being shocked decades ago by the tactics of groups like Young Americans for Freedom, and I am deeply concerned that not just Alinsky's ideas but even his name and his books are being used by the modern conservative movement.

Alinsky's tactics may sometimes be effective. But his ideas are fundamentally contrary to conservative views of law and order. They have their own logic behind them, and those tactics cannot be adopted by conservatives without making a fundamental and very dangerous change in the character of conservative politics.

Down that road lie the street battles of Hitler's Brownshirts (the SA) against rival street gangs of German Marxists. We saw a small glimmer of that in the St. Louis protests with screaming matches turning into physical violence. I hope that incident knocks some sense into both sides of the debate before it's too late.



That piece by David Horowitz is a reasoned discussion? "Conservatives in my experience are all together too decent, too civilized to match up adequately, at least in the initital stages of the battle, with their adversaries. They are too prone to give them the benefit of the doubt." That has got to be the best line in there. Too funny!
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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 11:40:52 PM »
Just my opinion, but Obama has already started the violence part of it.  He put the SEIU there for a reason.  that reason was to discourage any opposing opinions regarding his policies.  They hurt that man pretty badly.  Also, I am unhappy he did not have a CCW and used the equalizer.  Yes 4 against one is reasonable cause to shoot the bastards, especially when they have you down and are kicking you.  It will not stop either.  He had them in Montana too.  Will it stop?  Probably not until someone takes positive action to stop it.

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Re: Destruction of America: Obama's roots are keys to his ultimate goal
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 11:44:46 PM »
Then maybe you should start the action?
I have it on good authority that the Hokey-Pokey really IS what it's all about.

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2009, 12:42:56 AM »
If they jump me, I will take positive action.  The threat will be neutralized to the best of my ability.  That could or might not include shooting if I feel my life is threatened or I am in emminent danger of severe bodily harm.  Read about the force continuum sometime.