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Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
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September 10, 2009 Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer

I tried to call you earlier this morning, but was unable to obtain your extension from the voice mail system as I was not sure of your first name or correct spelling of your last.

I was inadvertently in this procession as I was leaving work on 270 from Creve Coeur and proceeding on Hwy. 30 West. I have some issues and complaints. I called the Sheriff's office last night, but the officer in charge would not speak with me. His name was Corp. Curtis. I am in no way complaining about your officers. I, however, was not treated very fairly when I called last evening because I wanted a ticket/complaint/or at least a slap on wrist for the people involved. Let me explain: 1) This procession should never have been held during rush hour traffic! Hwy. 270 is dangerous and people drive way too fast and there is too much traffic. This soldier's certainly would not have want his family hurt on the interstate taking him to Cedar Hill. People were dead-stopping on the interstate even though the procession was in the far right lane, the other three lanes just stopped. There were many near accidents and possibly were after I drove through. I was in the 2nd to left lane, no way obstructing the funeral procession. 2) I exited off on Gravois (30 W), far right lane. Your police officers went in the left lane to stop any additional on-coming traffic so the procession could exit off 270 into the LEFT lane of 30. Again, I was in the right lane. The St. Louis County officer stopped and turned around at Weber Hill to return on 270 after the procession passed. 3) The road was not closed. (Only for president as far as I know.) Again, the road was not closed. Your officers only had the left lane blocked/closed for the funeral. All other traffic by MO law can proceed as long as they do not interfere (weave in and out )with funeral procession. Let me say, that I did not know what was happening. I knew the did not have Kennedy coming to STL, at least not yesterday. I was at work all day. No news. Nothing reported on the traffic on the radio driving home. Anyway, two of these dirty, nasty, renegade, who knows what motorcycle men that were escorting the procession proceeded to stop in front of me in the right lane on Gravois. I had to stop in the middle of an intersection. They proceeded to scream and yell at me about respecting this soldier, etc. One of them climbed off his motorcycle and came over to me and stuck his head in my car continuing to scream at me. I asked him what this was for and he told me I needed to stop as the officers had the road blocked and show some dang respect. #1, the road was not blocked, the funeral was in the other lane. #2, I am proud of our country and sorry for the family, but they had no idea where I was going or anything else. I could have a child at day-care, I could have been sick and racing to the bathroom, I could have a sick parent waiting for me, etc., etc. #3, They are not law enforcement and had no right to stop in the lane on Gravois and they had no right to scream at me and intimidate and threaten me. If I would have had my pepper spray, I would have used it on this nasty man! He is just a big hoo ha that is not even related to this soldier. The other man did not get off his scooter, but was along side of my passenger window screaming. I left an abusive husband 1 1/2 years ago and I did not need this intimidation. I was livid and shaking!! My son is a deputy sheriff in another MO county. I respect police officers. It was not their fault as they were busy with traffic, but I called to make them aware of what was going on during this thing. The St. Louis County officer saw it but of course he was out of jurisdiction. However, I called last night and your office asked me if I knew about this soldier. Again, I am sorry about him, but I am a taxpayer. I got a speeding ticket a few months ago and paid the fine. I do not deserve to be treated like this. I wanted to let the officer know how these men were acting. Also, they were driving into the turnarounds on Hwy. 30 and then back onto the road. the funeral was much further ahead. One of them nearly got hit by me and other people almost hit him and another as well. I wanted to lodge a complaint about them why they were still there, but no one in your office would take any information or do anything. This was not a military funeral, even though it was a soldier. There were not military vehicles. It was a funeral and the road was not closed, the lane was closed, I was in the other lane and again, these nasty men had no right to do this and I would have liked them to get a ticket! I am sorry for the soldier and his family but you cannot let these motorcycle renegades do this. They could have caused several accidents and I really wanted them arrested. If they had any respect for the soldier they would have dressed better and not looked and acted so scuzzy.

Thank you.

Sheriff Boyer's Response

Dear XXXXX:

Yes, you do deserve a response and I am willing to give you one.

I would like to say that I am sorry for the inconvenience we caused you during the funeral procession of Sergeant 1st Class William B. Woods, but I cannot do so. I would ask instead that you take a moment of your time to take into consideration the scope of the event. Your very right to complain was the reason Sgt. Woods fought for his country and ultimately gave his life; thus making the ultimate sacrifice for you and your family.

Let me introduce you to him. After high school, Sergeant Woods entered the Marine Corps. After his contract was up, he joined the Army, where he became a Green Beret. He comes from a long line of military members in his family. His Uncle is a Vietnam Veteran and two of his grandfathers were World War II Veterans. His job in the Army was one of the most dangerous jobs - he was a sniper looking for the bad guys to stop before they killed or injured one of our soldiers. He has numerous decorations to include the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.

He grew up in Catawissa and was best known by his middle name, Brian. He enjoyed the outdoors, playing sports, and skydiving. He had a wife, Elizabeth, and two daughters, whom he loved dearly. He was a soft-spoken, level-headed young man who was proud to serve his country no matter what the risk. Now, I did not know him, but I wish I did. I am quoting from newspaper articles written about him.

At the young age of 31, he was shot during an engagement with Taliban forces in Ghanzi , Afghanistan . He died of his wounds in Germany on August 16, with his family by his side. He did not choose the time of his death, nor did he choose the time his remains would be brought back to his home in Catawissa. He just did his duty. He was quite a young man.

While you were being inconvenienced in your car on your way home, there were soldiers just like Sergeant Woods carrying 100+ pounds of equipment in 120 degree heat, up some mountain or in the middle of some desert. They will shower out of a helmet liner if they get the chance. They will eat a cold meal of MRE's; something most people would consider garbage. They cannot text their family or friends, or go to McDonalds, or watch TV. They can only continue the mission and look out after the guy to the left and right of them. They don't complain because they know they volunteered. The only thing they ask is that we do not forget the sacrifices they have made.

One of the dirty "big hoo ha" bikers, as you call them, was Brian's uncle, a Vietnam Veteran, like myself. We were not treated with a homecoming. We were spit on and called baby killers by a misguided public. Brian's uncle was giving him the respect that he, himself, never received when he came back and I, for one, am proud of him for doing so.

You say that your brother is a deputy in another Missouri county. I am sure he would be proud to escort the casket of a fallen solder, the same as he would that of a fallen officer. I am also sure he would not agree with your complaint about being inconvenienced.

My mother recently passed away. She was a World War II Veteran, serving the U.S. Army. She would say, maybe you should pick up Sergeant Woods' ruck sack and carry on where he left off. Then you could see first hand what it really is to be inconvenienced.

Per your request, I will forward your complaint to the Prosecuting Attorney's Office for his review. It is my personal opinion that your complaint is self-serving and without merit.

Sheriff Oliver "Glenn" Boyer  Copyright © 2009, KTVI-TV
 
http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-boyer-letters-091009,0,4312406.story
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2009, 03:52:52 AM »
What nerve!  Hats off to Sheriff Boyer!
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2009, 03:56:42 AM »
 :woohoo: Whoo hoo, you go Sheriff Boyer. 
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2009, 01:04:19 PM »
"Let me say, that I did not know what was happening.....I was at work all day. No news. Nothing reported on the traffic on the radio driving home." 

I'm not putting up for anyone, but maybe this could have been planned a little better.
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2009, 01:25:33 PM »
R E S P E C T.................Any soldier earns it and they deserve it.. I only "HOPE" I never have to be inconvienced by a funeral in my home town...because that would mean someones Son, father, brother, Daughter, mother or sister has died fighting for our freedom. Should that happen you certainly may inconvience me.
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2009, 02:20:52 PM »
While the woman should be a more understanding, the guy on the bike if he did what she said he did was in the wrong.  If that hadn’t of happened she probably wouldn’t of wrote that letter. Stick your head in my car window and yell at me and you better be able to run fast because I will drag you.

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2009, 02:38:27 PM »
While the woman should be a more understanding, the guy on the bike if he did what she said he did was in the wrong.  If that hadn’t of happened she probably wouldn’t of wrote that letter. Stick your head in my car window and yell at me and you better be able to run fast because I will drag you.

If "I" was a family member and "my" mephew was disrespected like that fighting for "my" freedom of speech, I would have probably said alot worse. :(
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 03:26:04 PM »
It didn't say that the guy who did it was the uncle only that the uncle was one of the bikers.

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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 06:41:58 PM »
I suppose the person would want an apology from the soldiers family. His sacrifice was such an inconvenience.

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 06:53:20 PM »
That's going a little too far.  First of all the guy/girl didn't know what was going on.  There was no radio announcement or traffic sign.  Then a strange biker sticks his head in his/her window and starts screaming.  Well, I'm sure there were other drivers who didn't know what was going on or  how traffic was supposed to be detoured.  That's what I'm getting at.  It doesn't have a thing to do with whether or not a person is patriotic or not.  Bikers can save it for the Phelps clan.

I suppose the person would want an apology from the soldiers family. His sacrifice was such an inconvenience.
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2009, 02:31:35 PM »
I have drove upon many funeral processions without prior notice.. I certainly stopped.. It is called RESPECT.
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2009, 02:46:33 PM »
on 270 with six lanes of traffic? of course it was confusing..over reaction by all involved
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2009, 03:41:55 PM »
It wasn't a funeral procession.  They were escorting the fallen Soldier to his hometown. Good on the bikers, but bad on treating others with respect as well.  It wouldn't have taken any more time for the guy to tell the driver what was going on instead of jumping in their S*it for no reason.

I have drove upon many funeral processions without prior notice.. I certainly stopped.. It is called RESPECT.
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2009, 07:44:25 PM »
Thanks, Marine for the post. I have known Sheriff Boyer since 1997 and can assure everyone he did not take this complaint lightly. He thouroughly investigated and carefully wrote a sensitive response. As a L/E supervisor I knew there are all levels of perceived and actual events involved in each complaint incident. Traffic stress in the St. Louiis area is always a big factor. Stress can contribute to physiologically and psychologically to effect perception of an event.

As for this not being the actual funeral procession - it IS a part of the procession that starts in country and ends as he or she is laid to rest. All that have served Graves escort can vouch for this. Having said that, the citizens that have not been touched by a family member serving in the military and the self-focused generations we have seen, it is tragic that they will probably never understand this concept of no one left behind. They will never quite see the honor of bringing a fallen brother or sister home. The media could help (if they would) by informing the public of what this is all about (public service annoucements?). Sadly, the last  generations have self-focused individual members never touched by a family member's service to God and country. I thank God every day for the volunteer service of those members of these same generations that answered the call. I am impressed by these young men and women that continue to enlist and deploy despite a growing apathy as this conflict continues. Let us all thank these Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Coast Guardsmen for continuing to reinforce our respect and hope for our future.

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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 03:02:30 AM »
While the woman should be a more understanding, the guy on the bike if he did what she said he did was in the wrong.  If that hadn’t of happened she probably wouldn’t of wrote that letter. Stick your head in my car window and yell at me and you better be able to run fast because I will drag you.
If it had been me Id have drug her outa her car and really inconvienced her. You dont disrespect a funeral , especially that of a soldier
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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2009, 01:59:40 PM »
It wasn't a funeral and she DID NOT KNOW!  You drag me out of my car and I'll have you fixed up good.  Big words for a man, huh?  Guess you have no respect for anyone else do you?  And to talk about beating a woman...you should be ashamed.

If it had been me Id have drug her outa her car and really inconvienced her. You dont disrespect a funeral , especially that of a soldier
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2009, 02:30:23 PM »
It WAS a funeral and she DID know.  Read the letter.  And, YOU should be ashamed for sticking up for this unappreciative, low life piece of trash.
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2009, 02:50:31 PM »
I'm retired from the military and so is my husband and we are as or more patriotic than the next and probably even you.  She didn't know what was going on and where she was supposed to be.  If there had been some sort of organization or planning, it would have been on the radio or on the traffic signs.  That jerk (YES JERK) could have told her what was going on and she probably would have been good with that.  NO YOU read the letter smart a$$.  And no one better threaten me when I'm driving OR stick their head in my car.  My husband rides and we have accompanied funeral processions and just because your a dick on a bike doesn't mean you own the road or have some sort of police deputization to threaten citizens.
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2009, 03:29:51 PM »
Didn't know funeral processions needed to be advertised.  That's a new on on me.
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2009, 04:43:17 PM »
For Sergeant 1st Class William B. Woods, I apologize for getting worked up over something that is over.  I would imagine if he's like the other Soldiers I know, he's up there laughing down at how crazy the world has gotten on his behalf.  The important thing here is honoring the Warrior as best we can, under what circumstances there are and celebrating the life of a man who gave his for this country.
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2009, 08:38:47 PM »
SFC William B. (Brian) Woods, 20th Special Forces Group Maryland National Guard died from wounds received in Afghanistan. His journey home to his family in Jefferson County began in Landstuhl Germany to Huntersville NC. A memorial service was held in Huntersville by his SF Brotherhood. He was flown by C-130 to Lambert Field on 8/26/09 and arrived at @ 3:30PM.
Patriot Guard Riders escorted the procession at every location including the escort to Cedar Hill. The actual funeral was 8/29/09 and was family procession only.

He was a Jeff County native graduating in 1996. He served 4 years in the Marine Corps then enlisted in the Army and finally transferred to SF 20th Group Maryland NG. He leaves behind his wife and two young children.

I am sure Sheriff Boyer interviewed every Law officer on the escort and wrote his response. Since this was a Patriot Guard Mission I do not believe that the bikes on road guard duty would act in this manner unless it was a dangerous traffic move or perceived anti-war protest. Even in this they all have a very measured, controlled response to such situations.

If you want to learn more, google SFC William B. Woods and enter all the websites that pop up.

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 03:14:56 AM »
It wasn't a funeral and she DID NOT KNOW!  You drag me out of my car and I'll have you fixed up good.  Big words for a man, huh?  Guess you have no respect for anyone else do you?  And to talk about beating a woman...you should be ashamed.

Whoa there wiley. I have never , would never and never said I would ever lay hands on her to hit this or any woman. My response was purely an "If it were my nefew, and this woman was hollaring about my scuzzy biker brothers getting in her way while we were trying to get a fallen soldier home, I woulda drug her outa her car and inconvienianced here alot more. never would I advocate violence on a woman nor did I intend to imply that I really would.  I would sincerely think, as a Veteran, you would feel the same. I may differ in opinion with you here and there but i respect you as a veteran, and a woman.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 06:18:15 AM »
There was no reason to drag this woman into the public spotlight.

We all make mistakes, and plenty were made by all sides.

The simple fact is everyone wants to put themselves into the shoes of the family and speak out as if they are the only one's who are right, without ever considering for one second what "sacrifice" means.

That man didn't die so people could use his death to score political points, or to prove how macho and tough they can be.

And he certainly didn't GIVE his life so that some sheriff and all of you armchair warriors could use his death as a reason to pretend you were somehow hurt by this woman's words and actions.

All of you, and especially the sheriff, who want to destroy this woman for freely speaking an unpopular opinion, should be ashamed of wasting the freedoms we have just to show off how big and tough you are.

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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2009, 08:33:08 AM »
There was no reason to drag this woman into the public spotlight.

We all make mistakes, and plenty were made by all sides.

The simple fact is everyone wants to put themselves into the shoes of the family and speak out as if they are the only one's who are right, without ever considering for one second what "sacrifice" means.

That man didn't die so people could use his death to score political points, or to prove how macho and tough they can be.

And he certainly didn't GIVE his life so that some sheriff and all of you armchair warriors could use his death as a reason to pretend you were somehow hurt by this woman's words and actions.

All of you, and especially the sheriff, who want to destroy this woman for freely speaking an unpopular opinion, should be ashamed of wasting the freedoms we have just to show off how big and tough you are.


huh? your one of them "God Hates Fags Church" people arent ya.
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2009, 11:28:21 AM »
There was no reason to drag this woman into the public spotlight.

We all make mistakes, and plenty were made by all sides.

The simple fact is everyone wants to put themselves into the shoes of the family and speak out as if they are the only one's who are right, without ever considering for one second what "sacrifice" means.

That man didn't die so people could use his death to score political points, or to prove how macho and tough they can be.

And he certainly didn't GIVE his life so that some sheriff and all of you armchair warriors could use his death as a reason to pretend you were somehow hurt by this woman's words and actions.

All of you, and especially the sheriff, who want to destroy this woman for freely speaking an unpopular opinion, should be ashamed of wasting the freedoms we have just to show off how big and tough you are.



And I didn't post this so you could spew your EDTIDED 
Armchair quarterback?  I think you have the wrong person honey, go back to your desk and check your e-mail...
And you say you're a vet?  I doubt that, if so I'm ashamed to be classified in the same category as you...

Rick, how the hell do you block someone so I don't have to see this stupid crap??
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 02:33:51 PM »
And I didn't post this so you could spew your stupidity. 
Armchair quarterback?  I think you have the wrong person honey, go back to your desk and check your e-mail...
And you say you're a vet?  I doubt that, if so I'm ashamed to be classified in the same category as you...

Rick, how the hell do you block someone so I don't have to see this stupid crap??



When did what-the say he was a vet? I must have missed it.
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 04:19:59 PM »
And I didn't post this so you could spew your stupidity! Armchair quarterback?  I think you have the wrong person honey, go back to your desk and check your e-mail...
And you say you're a vet?  I doubt that, if so I'm ashamed to be classified in the same category as you...

Rick, how the hell do you block someone so I don't have to see this stupid crap??

Tim, he does nothing but troll and dissent.  He somehow gets his jollies from deliberately trying to get under peoples skin... but he does it from afar.  It's much easier that way!
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2009, 04:23:10 PM »
And I didn't post this so you could spew your EDTIDED 
Armchair quarterback?  I think you have the wrong person honey, go back to your desk and check your e-mail...
And you say you're a vet?  I doubt that, if so I'm ashamed to be classified in the same category as you...

Rick, how the hell do you block someone so I don't have to see this stupid crap??
Just my opinion, but this post should NOT have been edited.  There was no name calling just saying that what comes from WT's mouth is stupidity.

I can show you posts from Wt? that are MUCH more threatening and abusive that weren't edited. 
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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2009, 04:48:37 PM »
Thank you for your opinion.
 
 
Just my opinion, but this post should NOT have been edited.  There was no name calling just saying that what comes from WT's mouth is stupidity.

I can show you posts from Wt? that are MUCH more threatening and abusive that weren't edited.

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Re: Letter of Complaint From Citizen to Sheriff Boyer W/ Response!
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2009, 04:51:10 PM »
Calm down and read his post again.  WT didn't say anything that wasn't true...the lady's unpopular opinion was simply that there was a traffic problem at rush hour and she didn't know why.  Now all the bikers have to jump in and flex their macho muscle and make a bigger deal out of it than it really was by sadly using a fallen Soldier as the center of making their point which is really, "That lady made us real mad and we want to drag her out of her car and thrash her around because she was disrespectful."  Mistakes WERE made by both sides.  WT is simply pointing that out.

And I didn't post this so you could spew your EDTIDED 
Armchair quarterback?  I think you have the wrong person honey, go back to your desk and check your e-mail...
And you say you're a vet?  I doubt that, if so I'm ashamed to be classified in the same category as you...

Rick, how the hell do you block someone so I don't have to see this stupid crap??
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