Topic: Mass shooting at Ft. Hood

[whatsnew]

gov perry already said he will make sure hasan is executed, if he makes it to trial.

Just a question, he will be tried in a Military Court???Correct??
Could the State of Texas also try him since a civilian was killed? Just curious because of the governors statement.

[Chas]

I hope they don't as long as the Military puts him to death. For Tx to try him as well would be show boating and waste of taxpayers money. I never understood the whole feds try someone then the state try the person. Try em and fry em. You can only kill them once.

[whatsnew]

I hope they don't as long as the Military puts him to death. For Tx to try him as well would be show boating and waste of taxpayers money. I never understood the whole feds try someone then the state try the person. Try em and fry em. You can only kill them once.

If the military doesnt put him to death THAT will be as harmful as what he has already done.

[Chas]

I agree. But I would bet my last dollar they do.

[matrsnot]

10 or 15 years down the road....Maybe

[Chas]

As with any death sentence it takes a while. Hopefully this one won't. But I would NOT bet my last dollar on it.

[Seeg]

I’m sick of being politically correct about this.

AMEN!  This has been and will continue to be the main reason for the downfall of our great nation. And the spin is already on full-force.  The media is making this more about a man under stress than the issue of a man fulfilling what his "bible" teaches

[Chas]

Even if this was stress he made it about religion when he yelled God is Great in Arabic. 

[Seeg]

Even if this was stress he made it about religion when he yelled God is Great in Arabic. 

EXACTLY!

[kari]

Sept 11th did a lot more than just kill innocent people.... it was more than just an attack on the United States.  Since 9/11, every Muslim is looked at suspiciously.... Islam was also assaulted.  I personally have known MANY Muslims that do NOT agree with the ideology of radical Islam, but so many are now in fear of their lives, and the lives of their families if they speak out against radical Islam.  Many remain silent.  Is this right?  I honestly can not say, because I personally do not know how I would react, if the life of my children and Grandchildren, would be at stake. 

Islam is NOT a religion of peace, but there are Muslims that accept only the good, peaceful aspects of the Qur`an, just as most Jews and Christians accept only the good, peaceful aspects of the Tanach.  Anyone who has ACTUALLY read/studied Judaism/Christianity, knows that they did NOT start as peaceful religions.  Each religion is responsible for atrocities against their fellow man, IN THE NAME OF G_D/religion, Islam is no different.  Sept. 11th changed the world, in more ways than many of us realize.

[matrsnot]

Hope they feed him plenty of pork chops in the hospital.  He deserves every bit if humiliation they can provide him as far as I am concerned.  Give him a fair trial and then hang him

[whatsnew]

Hope they feed him plenty of pork chops in the hospital.  He deserves every bit if humiliation they can provide him as far as I am concerned.  Give him a fair trial and then hang him

STANDING O

[Chas]

While Judaism and Christianity didn’t start out as peaceful religions and have killed in the name God. They are not doing now or here. Islam is not that new of a religion. Don’t quote me but didn’t Islam start around 600 yrs after Christianity. Does it say in the New Testament to kill people? While I’m not being PC I would like to add that if you move to this country then you should expect that your children are going to become westernized. Don’t run them down in a parking lot for it. When you move here leave your laws and customs in the country that you trying to escape from. If your laws and customs say that women can’t wear pants and you want to enforce that then stay in that country. I wouldn’t go to another country and think that because I’m American that American laws and customs should apply.

[kari]

Hope they feed him plenty of pork chops in the hospital.  He deserves every bit if humiliation they can provide him as far as I am concerned.  Give him a fair trial and then hang him

Hey Matrsnot.... pork chops?  Way too good for him... I can think of another part of the hog they should feed him, then let him know that the testicles will be taped in his mouth, for him to be hung with.  He should have to be hung nude, by a Jewish woman, as executioner.  I'm willing to volunteer!
 

[kari]

While Judaism and Christianity didn’t start out as peaceful religions and have killed in the name God. They are not doing now or here. Islam is not that new of a religion. Don’t quote me but didn’t Islam start around 600 yrs after Christianity. Does it say in the New Testament to kill people? While I’m not being PC I would like to add that if you move to this country then you should expect that your children are going to become westernized. Don’t run them down in a parking lot for it. When you move here leave your laws and customs in the country that you trying to escape from. If your laws and customs say that women can’t wear pants and you want to enforce that then stay in that country. I wouldn’t go to another country and think that because I’m American that American laws and customs should apply.

It says in the New Testament that you are to follow ALL of the commandments, not just 10... learn the commandments and you will find there are some horrific "laws".....

New Testament:
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Hmmm, seems to me that's saying kill those that don't believe.....

To tell a people that they must leave their customs in the country they left, would mean that many of OUR customs, must be thrown aside.  Let's take a little look at what we would HAVE to get rid of.....Christmas, forget St. Nicholas, have to get rid of St Paddy's Day, don't light a menorah for Chanukah, etc.  I agree that customs that cause physical/psychological harm, such as honor killings, MUST not be allowed here, but they are also against our laws.  We are a melting pot, made up of many peoples, many customs and that, in itself, makes us the richest cultural country in the world.

[Seeg]

While Judaism and Christianity didn’t start out as peaceful religions and have killed in the name God. They are not doing now or here. Islam is not that new of a religion. Don’t quote me but didn’t Islam start around 600 yrs after Christianity. Does it say in the New Testament to kill people? While I’m not being PC I would like to add that if you move to this country then you should expect that your children are going to become westernized. Don’t run them down in a parking lot for it. When you move here leave your laws and customs in the country that you trying to escape from. If your laws and customs say that women can’t wear pants and you want to enforce that then stay in that country. I wouldn’t go to another country and think that because I’m American that American laws and customs should apply.

You are on a roll, dear sir!

[♥♥♥Trena♥♥♥]

The dead included a pregnant woman who was preparing to return home, a man who quit a furniture company job to join the military about a year ago, a newlywed who had served in Iraq and a woman who had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

[whatsnew]

You are on a roll, dear sir!

Yes and deserves another standing O

[Seeg]

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Hmmm, seems to me that's saying kill those that don't believe.....

Kari, I believe you are taking a Scripture out of context here. I've always believed that one gets very little from a single Scripture as Scripture interprets Scripture - it must be viewed as whole and in it's entirety.   

Jesus was telling a parable and it is eschatological in nature and applies to the time of Christ's return.  In essence He was saying that whatever you are given you are to be faithful with - and then you will be given more.   Christ will then be the one to dole out the "rewards" and "punishment" (spiritual death) - not man.

[Lepard LLC]

You're right, I can hang out with him an entire evening and never get anything like this.
 
 

You are on a roll, dear sir!

[kari]

Kari, I believe you are taking a Scripture out of context here. I've always believed that one gets very little from a single Scripture as Scripture interprets Scripture - it must be viewed as whole and in it's entirety.   

Jesus was telling a parable and it is eschatological in nature and applies to the time of Christ's return.  In essence He was saying that whatever you are given you are to be faithful with - and then you will be given more.   Christ will then be the one to dole out the "rewards" and "punishment" (spiritual death) - not man.

You assume I am taking it out of context, fundamentalists...Jewish, Islamic, Christian, use such versus' (in their scriptures) to justify their behavior.  It was asked "does it say in the New Testament to kill people", and yes, it does.  Who are you to assume how your Jesus meant it?  You may wish to believe that Christianity is a peaceful religion, BUT it's all about interpretation!  Just as those who have killed Doctors, that performed abortions, and insist that they are justified because of THEIR interpretation of scripture.  Not all Christians are abortion Doctor killers, BUT all abortion Doctor killers HAVE been Christian.  Look at the women, in the past 10 years, who have killed their children, or allowed their children to die....due to their religious belief.  A little research will show that every one of them, were Christian, and they justified the murders using their religion.

It is way too easy for each of us to profess what a wonderful religion we may be part of, and look at the worse of other religions.  It is far more difficult to take a long hard look at our own religion, it's beginnings, and it's scriptures.

[♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥]

You assume I am taking it out of context, fundamentalists...Jewish, Islamic, Christian, use such versus' (in their scriptures) to justify their behavior.  It was asked "does it say in the New Testament to kill people", and yes, it does.  Who are you to assume how your Jesus meant it?  You may wish to believe that Christianity is a peaceful religion, BUT it's all about interpretation!  Just as those who have killed Doctors, that performed abortions, and insist that they are justified because of THEIR interpretation of scripture.  Not all Christians are abortion Doctor killers, BUT all abortion Doctor killers HAVE been Christian.  Look at the women, in the past 10 years, who have killed their children, or allowed their children to die....due to their religious belief.  A little research will show that every one of them, were Christian, and they justified the murders using their religion.

It is way too easy for each of us to profess what a wonderful religion we may be part of, and look at the worse of other religions.  It is far more difficult to take a long hard look at our own religion, it's beginnings, and it's scriptures.

Sheeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaack
Awe the old Kari is Back.
I'm not pissed yet but I will give her time

[Seeg]

  It was asked "does it say in the New Testament to kill people", and yes, it does. 

Kari, I really don't want to argue with you on this as I believe we have much more in common than what we disagree upon. 

However, to say that the NT commands murder from this verse is more than a stretch.  Jesus was telling an allegorical story to illustrate a central truth.  Anyone that dissects a parable and tries to make each part of it a fundamental view of Christianity is truly missing the point (and you are right, that is where we get some really hair-brained theology).

The Bible is full of rich metaphors that are not to be taken literally.  Jesus isn't a real vine, I'm not really a branch but the symbolic nature of a teaching like that can be very enlightening.

[igahmah at work]

Seeg, surrender now.  She won't give in or give up.

[okie the thread killer]

Kari, I really don't want to argue with you on this as I believe we have much more in common than what we disagree upon. 

However, to say that the NT commands murder from this verse is more than a stretch.  Jesus was telling an allegorical story to illustrate a central truth.  Anyone that dissects a parable and tries to make each part of it a fundamental view of Christianity is truly missing the point (and you are right, that is where we get some really hair-brained theology).

The Bible is full of rich metaphors that are not to be taken literally.  Jesus isn't a real vine, I'm not really a branch but the symbolic nature of a teaching like that can be very enlightening.

Yet there are many on here that say the verses are to be taken literally...So once again it boils down to personal belief...In all things, not just religion, we all believe what we CHOOSE to believe.

[♥♣ ~Maynard~♣♥]

Seeg, surrender now.  She won't give in or give up.

SOOOO True!!
The Most Pigheaded,Stuborn woman I have never met
  Bahahahahaha

[kari]

Yet there are many on here that say the verses are to be taken literally...So once again it boils down to personal belief...In all things, not just religion, we all believe what we CHOOSE to believe.

[Seeg]

Seeg, surrender now.  She won't give in or give up.

We've had our debates before.  Kari is very intelligent and eloquent and I wouldn't expect her to "give in or give up" and that's not even my intent as I have absolutely nothing against Kari.  But to take a "story" that Jesus told and somehow convert that to an instruction of murder goes against the totality of Scripture itself.

And Okie is right as well.... we all "choose" to believe what we will.  Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic or Lord - there really isn't an option other than those three.  And we all have the right and responsibility to "choose" which of the three we believe.

[okie the thread killer]

I am extremely *guilty* of taking the middle ground, because so many people make so many good points..It must be nice to absolutely know that you are right, but I just can't do that. I just try to keep my mind open.

[Seeg]

Sorry for the temporary hijacking.... back on topic for me.

Here is the typical, politically correct media response. Check this out..... I'll let you decide what is missing from this article.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thehumancondition/archive/2009/11/06/from-ft-hood-to-florida-the-psyche-of-shooters.aspx