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Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
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The president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.
President Obama squeezed in a trip to Copenhagen last month to lobby, unsuccessfully, for Chicago to host the 2016 Summer Olympics. He plans to travel to Oslo next month to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an award that even Obama has said he does not deserve. And this coming week, he sets out on a weeklong tour of Asia.
But the president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.
"A tragedy," is how former House Speaker Newt Gingrich described Obama's absence.
Some question whether the decision not to go was a nod to Russia, with which the Obama administration is trying to mend relations, or just another attempt to play down the perception of the United States as an exceptional superpower.
For its part, the administration is citing a scheduling conflict. The White House says the president simply does not have the time to go, with the trip to Asia starting Wednesday.
"Obviously we have a lot to work on here and we have commitments for an upcoming Asia trip," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday, noting that a "very senior delegation" of U.S. officials would attend.
That delegation is led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who traveled to Berlin Sunday ahead of the festivities -- the first stop for the secretary on a trip through Europe and Asia.
Obama acknowledged the anniversary of the fall of the wall last week during his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
"We are now moving towards the 20th anniversary of the Berlin Wall coming down and Germany being reunified after so many painful years," Obama said. "And this is a special moment for Chancellor Merkel, as somebody who grew up in East Germany, who understands what it's like to be under the shadow of a dictatorial regime, and to see how freedom has bloomed in Germany, how it has become the centerpiece for a extraordinarily strong European Union."
He said the U.S.-Germany alliance is an "extraordinary pillar of the transatlantic relationship."
But some saw Obama's decision not to travel personally to Berlin as a snub to Merkel, Germany and the history behind the anniversary.
"Barack Is Too Busy," Germany's Der Spiegel magazine declared in a headline last month, writing that Obama had declined Merkel's invitation.
While Obama has traveled to Germany since taking office, he has not as president traveled to Berlin -- the site of his major speech in July 2008 during his overseas campaign tour. During that speech, he acknowledged Berlin's struggle, saying, "This city, of all cities, knows the dream of freedom."
Why then, critics asked, would the U.S. president not revisit that site to mark the culmination of that dream? After all, he has established himself as an intrepid traveler in office, setting off on a slew of overseas trips during his first 10 months on the job.
On several of the stops he has expressed regret for past American behavior, but the Berlin Wall anniversary was seen as an opportunity for the president to honor an American and Western victory for which the U.S. need feel no regret.
"It is a true shame that the president of the United States -- this man who cloaks himself in the rhetoric of hope -- won't be pausing to remember," Gingrich wrote in a column last week in The Washington Examiner.
The National Review's Rich Lowry wrote that the decision speaks to Obama's "dismissive view of the Cold War as a relic distorting our thinking."
"John F. Kennedy famously told Berliners, 'Ich bin ein Berliner.' On the 20th anniversary of the last century's most stirring triumph of freedom, Obama is telling them, 'Ich bin beschaftigt' -- i.e., I'm busy," he wrote. "Obama's failure to go to Berlin is the most telling nonevent of his presidency. It's hard to imagine any other American president eschewing the occasion."
 
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 02:29:16 AM »
You complained the last time he went to Europe, now you make a scene when he doesn't.
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 02:57:36 AM »
fish would of called him a nazi if he would of went

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 03:03:46 AM »
He's only doing what he is told: to cry like a baby no matter what Obama does.

The boy who cried wolf called, he said you people are really nuts.
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2009, 03:05:17 AM »
fish would of called him a nazi if he would of went

It depends on which side of the wall Obama was at. He would have called him either a Nazi or Communist. If Obama sat on the wall then Fish would have called him a Communazi.
P.S. fish, I have a copyright on that word so you can't use it in the future without being guilty of copyright infringement.
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2009, 03:29:20 AM »
Just a reminder of the subject of this thread

The president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.
President Obama squeezed in a trip to Copenhagen last month to lobby, unsuccessfully, for Chicago to host the 2016 Summer Olympics. He plans to travel to Oslo next month to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an award that even Obama has said he does not deserve. And this coming week, he sets out on a weeklong tour of Asia.
But the president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.
"A tragedy," is how former House Speaker Newt Gingrich described Obama's absence.
Some question whether the decision not to go was a nod to Russia, with which the Obama administration is trying to mend relations, or just another attempt to play down the perception of the United States as an exceptional superpower.
For its part, the administration is citing a scheduling conflict. The White House says the president simply does not have the time to go, with the trip to Asia starting Wednesday.
"Obviously we have a lot to work on here and we have commitments for an upcoming Asia trip," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday, noting that a "very senior delegation" of U.S. officials would attend.
That delegation is led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who traveled to Berlin Sunday ahead of the festivities -- the first stop for the secretary on a trip through Europe and Asia.
Obama acknowledged the anniversary of the fall of the wall last week during his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
"We are now moving towards the 20th anniversary of the Berlin Wall coming down and Germany being reunified after so many painful years," Obama said. "And this is a special moment for Chancellor Merkel, as somebody who grew up in East Germany, who understands what it's like to be under the shadow of a dictatorial regime, and to see how freedom has bloomed in Germany, how it has become the centerpiece for a extraordinarily strong European Union."
He said the U.S.-Germany alliance is an "extraordinary pillar of the transatlantic relationship."
But some saw Obama's decision not to travel personally to Berlin as a snub to Merkel, Germany and the history behind the anniversary.
"Barack Is Too Busy," Germany's Der Spiegel magazine declared in a headline last month, writing that Obama had declined Merkel's invitation.
While Obama has traveled to Germany since taking office, he has not as president traveled to Berlin -- the site of his major speech in July 2008 during his overseas campaign tour. During that speech, he acknowledged Berlin's struggle, saying, "This city, of all cities, knows the dream of freedom."
Why then, critics asked, would the U.S. president not revisit that site to mark the culmination of that dream? After all, he has established himself as an intrepid traveler in office, setting off on a slew of overseas trips during his first 10 months on the job.
On several of the stops he has expressed regret for past American behavior, but the Berlin Wall anniversary was seen as an opportunity for the president to honor an American and Western victory for which the U.S. need feel no regret.
"It is a true shame that the president of the United States -- this man who cloaks himself in the rhetoric of hope -- won't be pausing to remember," Gingrich wrote in a column last week in The Washington Examiner.
The National Review's Rich Lowry wrote that the decision speaks to Obama's "dismissive view of the Cold War as a relic distorting our thinking."
"John F. Kennedy famously told Berliners, 'Ich bin ein Berliner.' On the 20th anniversary of the last century's most stirring triumph of freedom, Obama is telling them, 'Ich bin beschaftigt' -- i.e., I'm busy," he wrote. "Obama's failure to go to Berlin is the most telling nonevent of his presidency. It's hard to imagine any other American president eschewing the occasion."
 
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 01:48:45 PM »
Leave it alone Fish.  He chose not to go.  Live with it.  I don't like his agendas and neither do many here, but he has to set his own course of action.  Bankrupting the country with phony healthcare is #1.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 02:36:44 PM »
Bush never visted the wall either, niether did Clinton, and they have a big ceremony there every year. The 20th year is no special than the 5th, the 10th, 15th.
Sorry, but I consider this nit picking. People bitched when he went all over the world and said he should be in the US fixing things, and now people are bitching he is not there to watch a bunch of germans have a new reason to celebrate.
 
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2009, 02:44:45 PM »
There are U.S. Dignitaries and State Department Officials attending along with Michael Regan, President Regan's son at their request...I think that is a good representation of our nation. 

Where the President goes does not concern me very much, what he does....does.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 04:53:13 PM »
I, for one, am glad he's not going. He's an embarrassment to us all.
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 05:15:08 PM »
he had no problem going to europe on his apology tour.

W (May 22,2002)and clinton(july 12,1994) both visited berlin

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2009, 05:25:36 PM »
he had no problem going to europe on his apology tour.

W (May 22,2002)and clinton(july 12,1994) both visited berlin
Look at those dates Fish, neither date had anything to do with the wall or end to communism. Obama has already gone to Berlin, why should he have to go back. Again, go after his policies, but this nitpicking is worthless. Not going to Berlin on its 20th anniversary does not make him a bad president. Deal with the facts and his policies to show that Fish. Next you will be trying to show he wipes his butt wrong and therefore he is a bad president. You of all people who bitched about democrats who nitpicked about everything Bush did, are doing the exact damn thing with Obama.
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 07:22:01 PM »
The Big O will not go back to Berlin because on his first trip he hyped the protection the U.S. has given Europeans for years since WWII. Since then he has reneged on the U.S. promise to install a missile protective shield for the Czechs, Slovaks, and Poland. In other words, he would have to admit to lying on his first trip. The Big O admits to no mistakes. After all, he is perfect. (A perfect liar?)
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2009, 09:53:32 PM »
so nobama has already visited berlin,check mark? he can apologize for the US but not honor what led to the wall coming down and staying down?

suppose he wouldn't be able to face the other people he lied to, that is the reason for not being"present".

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2009, 10:24:57 PM »
Fish wasn't the one talking about Nazi stuff.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2009, 06:40:25 PM »
The Berlin wall never happened.
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2009, 06:41:52 PM »
Now that's funny
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2009, 07:08:34 PM »
I'm pretty sure it was President Bush who was quoted as he couldn't think of a single mistake that he had made.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2009, 07:15:13 PM »
I'm pretty sure it was President Bush who was quoted as he couldn't think of a single mistake that he had made.

I drank a lot in my younger days and can't remember a single mistake I made either. I usually did them by 2s and 3s!
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2009, 07:44:15 PM »
The Berlin wall never happened.
Danos are you saying this piece of concrete I bought on E Bay is not really from the Berlin wall like they promised %%$%$$# :crying:
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2009, 08:01:55 PM »
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Danos are you saying this piece of concrete I bought on E Bay is not really from the Berlin wall like they promised %%$%$$# :crying:
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2009, 08:12:16 PM »
Hey maynI have an authentic brick from the London Bridge that fell off the truck as they drove through Missouri on the way to Arizona that I will sell you
Can you put it on E-Bay??
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2009, 02:58:02 AM »
I think perhaps things were better served by his visit to Ft. Hood than going to Berlin.  The apology tour is over for now.  I wonder when he will apologize for ruining this country?

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2009, 03:33:32 AM »
I think perhaps things were better served by his visit to Ft. Hood than going to Berlin.  The apology tour is over for now.  I wonder when he will apologize for ruining this country?
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2009, 03:54:45 PM »
Wow, better keep an eye out for guys in black sedans wearing earpieces for about the next 3 years, minimum.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2009, 02:07:37 PM »
Danos are you saying this piece of concrete I bought on E Bay is not really from the Berlin wall like they promised %%$%$$# :crying:

ebay...thats all I have to say. :-)
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2009, 03:05:07 PM »
I am ashamed of the Military from Ft. Hood
They need better training in Marksmanship.
There was a 21 gun salute Today when Obama was there AND EVERYONE MISSED %%$%$$# ^^^%%% :anger: Damn the luck :wink1a:   ;D

Bet they wouldn't have missed if Hasan had been tied to a pole.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2009, 10:56:49 PM »
Bet they wouldn't have missed if Hasan had been tied to a pole.

I'm sure they would have missed all his vital organs. At least on the first Vally
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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2009, 04:58:11 AM »
I believe that Bush's mind number of choice was Cocaine wasn't it?


I drank a lot in my younger days and can't remember a single mistake I made either. I usually did them by 2s and 3s!

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2009, 02:43:57 PM »
and suppossedly so was nobama's