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Author Topic: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL  (Read 11059 times)

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Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« on: November 21, 2009, 01:42:42 AM »

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     Recently the NRA sent me a Notification that the City Fathers of Saint Robert passed a city Ordinance # 200.250 that Prohibits the shooting or firing of ANY Project device within the City limits of St.Robert ,Missouri. This  Ordinance  Strictly Prohibt the shooting of  BB guns, sling shot , rocks, pellets , bullets , arrows  or any hard projectile within the city limits of St.Robert!
      (  The  ONLY EXEMPTION TO THIS CITY ORDINANCE  IS  200.240 )  , ( THAT ALLOWS FOR THE LAWFUL HUNTING OF GAME !)    ,    SO UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE 200.250  YOU CANNOT EVEN LEGALLY SHOOT ANY BB, BULLET , PELLET, ROCK , ARROW OR ANY HARD PROJECTILE TOWARDS ANY ARMED  CRIMINAL TO PROTECT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY  !!!   THIS IS TOTALLY UBSURB AND AGAINST THE SECOND AMENDMENT ! :anger: :anger: :anger:

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2009, 02:49:14 AM »
They cannot go against state premption.  In other words, It IS legal to protect yourself by whatever means when your life is in danger or you are in danger of grievous bodily harm.  That includes shooting to protect yourself or another in such danger.  RSMo 563 and 571.  You will also find if you look, that there is no city ordinance against open carry in St. Robert.  Do not assume it is against the law there to discharge a firearm for self protection.  Check with Kevin Hillman, city attorney.

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2009, 03:15:38 AM »
I spoke with the Mayor after getting the e-mail from the NRA and a few other folks.  Trying to stop self-defense was not their intention according to him (I didn't think it was).  They may have thought the Castle Doctrine took care of the self-defens issue, but either way he left me with the impression that they will be visiting this issue asap.

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2009, 04:53:34 AM »
My former neighbor Matrsnot is correct.  The castle doctrine and state law would preempt any ordinance.  So, you are still allowed to defend yourself and it was never anyone's intention to take that away.
 
The prohibition against firing any projectile was actually already in the city code and has been there for many years.  We amended that section to allow firearm hunting in areas zoned agricultural and to allow bow hunting in other areas of the city. 
 
I think you'll find that most, if not all, members of the city council are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and this was not done to restrict anyone's right to their firearms.  In fact, it was done to allow some hunting and to clarify where you could do that.  I wrote the changes so I have it on pretty good authority that there was no secret agenda.
 
I hope that clears up any confusion.
 
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 07:03:14 AM »































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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 02:31:10 PM »
My former neighbor Matrsnot is correct.  The castle doctrine and state law would preempt any ordinance.  So, you are still allowed to defend yourself and it was never anyone's intention to take that away.
 
The prohibition against firing any projectile was actually already in the city code and has been there for many years.  We amended that section to allow firearm hunting in areas zoned agricultural and to allow bow hunting in other areas of the city. 
 
I think you'll find that most, if not all, members of the city council are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and this was not done to restrict anyone's right to their firearms.  In fact, it was done to allow some hunting and to clarify where you could do that.  I wrote the changes so I have it on pretty good authority that there was no secret agenda.
 
I hope that clears up any confusion.
 
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 05:43:32 PM »
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 07:20:23 PM »
Lol . Dont get me wrong, Im a serious Gun advocate. but I dont think thats realistic.....Id say unless you are supporting a militia you dont need that many...lol
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 02:17:57 AM »
I don't live in St. Robert, so don't really have a dog in this fight... But, outlawing BB guns?  At one time that was a right of passage for a boy to shoot his (or someone elses) eye out...  Paintball?  That means I couldn't take my son out in the back yard & have a friendly game of paint ball?  Seems a little too far to me, but once again I don't have a dog in this fight...
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2009, 02:47:59 AM »
Lol . Dont get me wrong, Im a serious Gun advocate. but I dont think thats realistic.....Id say unless you are supporting a militia you dont need that many...lol

Maybe he is a militia of one.   :yahoo:

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2009, 04:10:39 AM »
I don't live in St. Robert, so don't really have a dog in this fight... But, outlawing BB guns?  At one time that was a right of passage for a boy to shoot his (or someone elses) eye out...  Paintball?  That means I couldn't take my son out in the back yard & have a friendly game of paint ball?  Seems a little too far to me, but once again I don't have a dog in this fight...

Reminds me of the guy who told this story....

Seems he and his brother were always shooting at each other with their BB guns and their mom got upset and told him, "You're just not going to be happy until you put your brother's eye out, are you?"  Well, he said the next day he shot his brother right in the eye and guess what he said??  "I'm still not happy!" 
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2009, 02:27:16 PM »
Thanks for the clarification Kevin.  There were comments on another board and from the NRA.  I posted your comments (without your name) specifying you are the city attorney and what the change to the ordinance means.  Hope they settle down there too.

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2009, 03:38:55 PM »
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The prohibition against firing any projectile was actually already in the city code and has been there for many years.

Just yesterday I threw my Bow target out in the yard and practiced. Glad I don't live in St. Robert, I would have been breaking the law for many years.

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2009, 03:49:54 PM »
I dont get it, you can't practice with your bow, but you can hunt? Somehow that does not make sense to me.
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 03:36:00 PM »
I have attached a letter from Mayor Sanders in regards to the supposed ban on firearm discharge in St. Robert.  I also put the text below.  I hope it also helps clear up the confusion.  As I stated earlier, we were actually trying to allow for hunting in the city this season, not ban anyone's firearms or prevent them from defending themselves.
 
Kevin Hillman
St. Robert City Attorney
 
 
 
November 25, 2009

Re:  Recent Changes to City Code Regarding Firearms and Hunting

It has come to my attention that a recent posting on a website has stated “City of St. Robert Passes Discharge Ban!”  The information contained in that posting is not correct and has left out important information.

On October 5, 2009, the City Council adopted an ordinance to amend Section 200.240 of the City Code which is the section that deals with firearms.  The amendment actually relaxed the firearm restrictions and allowed for hunting with a firearm in areas of the city that are zoned agricultural.  In addition, the amendment allowed for hunting with a bow or cross-bow in other areas of the city. 

The intent of the city council was to allow for hunting within the city limits.  There was no intent to limit the ability of anyone to defend their persons or homes with a firearm.  It should be noted that Section 200.240 of the City Code also has a specific section allowing a city resident to be “engaged in an act of lawful defense.”  As such, the “Castle Doctrine” of self-defense as stated in Sections 563.031 and 563.074 R.S.Mo. is clearly recognized by the City of St. Robert.

After that meeting, it was discovered that another existing section of the city code did not allow for the use of air guns, cross bows, or bows and arrows within the city limits.  That section does not mention firearms.  This was Section 200.250 of the City Code, which is the section cited by the website.  Therefore, in order to allow hunting in the city limits, the city council amended Section 200.250 to allow for bow and cross-bow hunting.

It appears that Section 200.250 has been in the City Code for over 20 years.  It should also be pointed out that the section that was amended specifically to relax the restrictions in place for a number of years for weapons other than firearms.  It was not done to restrict the ability to own a firearm or use it in an act of lawful self-defense.

Finally, it should be noted that state statutes always take precedence over a municipal ordinance.  As such, Sections 563.031 and 563.074 R.S. Mo. which state Missouri’s “Castle Doctrine” apply in the City of St. Robert and take precedence over the ordinances.

It is my hope that this clears up any misunderstanding that may have arisen from the steps city council took to allow for hunting this firearm and bow season in the City of St. Robert.  I believe I speak for the majority of the City Council in stating that we support the Second Amendment and the right of all Americans to own and use a firearm for their protection.

Sincerely,



George Sanders
Mayor, City of St. Robert, Missouri
 

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 05:13:10 PM »
Better send that to the NRA LOL.  Glad St Bob isnt gonna be an antigun area....I would have certainly moved...no reason to provide tax dollars to a city I dont agree with.

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2009, 07:14:25 AM »
Well, this is what I get for not checking the board in detail for a few days.
 
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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2009, 07:21:56 PM »
This topic.

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Re: Saint Robert City Ordiance # 200.250 / GUN CONTROL
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2009, 05:49:29 PM »
I thought you all may want to see the updated alert sent out by the NRA after speaking with them.  Hopefully, this puts to rest the idea that we were somehow trying to restrict self-defense in St. Robert.  Here is the link: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5236
 
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