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Author Topic: You can tug on SuperDave's cape but don't pull a Muslim woman's scarf....  (Read 5814 times)

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Offline darrellmaurina

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Re: You can tug on SuperDave's cape but don't pull a Muslim woman's scarf....
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2009, 03:10:48 AM »

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While I probably went overboard on the Hasan thing, I don't think your analogy between a scarf and my wife's blouse coincide.  Rip of her blouse and I would see that as attempted rape and take action as appropriate.  Taking the scarf off the woman to me, does not equate to the same level.  We are talking religious sensitivities versus a real crime.

Thank you for the "overboard" statement. We've all gotten angrier than we should at times, and I'd rather make wrong comments when I get angry for the right reasons than to fail to get angry at all over people like Maj. Hassan. I appreciate your zeal to prosecute traitors like this, and that's why I responded to you when I don't very often respond to comments I dislike from people on the left wing of this board.

But on the scarf issue ... the crime exists precisely **BECAUSE** this woman's religious or moral sensitivities about modesty were violated. If a woman chooses to takes off her blouse to wear a bathing suit at the beach, she has committed no crime. But if someone rips off her blouse without her consent, a crime has been committed.

The Muslim woman may, depending on her personal views and degree of Westernization, regard tugging on her headscarf the same way you would (correctly) regard tugging on your wife's blouse.

Futhermore, a historically knowledgeable Muslim will be able to point out -- correctly -- that it wasn't that long ago in Western history, and even American colonial history, that women who didn't properly cover their heads were considered immodest. We had vestiges of this remaining in Roman Catholic practices of headcoverings at Mass as late as the pre-Vatican II era.

Why is it that in our modern American legal system, we would prosecute someone who pulls off your wife's blouse but don't prosecute someone who wears a bikini to a beach revealing a lot more? Simple -- the bikini-wearing woman's personal views of modesty are not being offended and she's wearing what she chose to wear.

Apply that same principle to someone who believes in long dresses for women or headcoverings for women -- that's why we don't prosecute your wife for wearing a short skirt or showing her hair, but would quite correctly prosecute someone who pulled up a traditional Catholic nun's long habit or pulled off her veil.

An observant Muslim woman wearing hijab, whether I like her beliefs or not, deserves the same level of legal protection we would extend to a traditional Roman Catholic nun or anyone else whose sincerely-held beliefs about modesty were offended by having clothing pulled off or an attempt made to do so.
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Re: You can tug on SuperDave's cape but don't pull a Muslim woman's scarf....
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2009, 12:17:01 AM »
Darrel, common sense is the quickest way to kill a rant. And you just shot this thread dead. I hope you can live with yourself....LOL
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Re: You can tug on SuperDave's cape but don't pull a Muslim woman's scarf....
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2009, 07:23:12 PM »
Yea... good job Darrell.  Nobody can lynch the Muslims now...