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Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 04:20:46 PM »
I heard that yesterday, on the news, and just sat there stunned.  How many died supporting and defending that Constitution that he doesn't care about!  Doesn't seem to know the difference between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights........and THIS is one of our Country's leaders? 
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 02:10:07 AM »
Oh come on. None of you cared about the 5th, 8th, or 14th amendment when President Bush was in office. Only a few of you complained about the 4th amendment(matrsnot), but I didn't see much outrage amongst your fellow conservative base. The tea partiers don't care about the constitution. They are like most Americans, they don't know anything about the constitution. They just regurgitate the fake outrage they hear from Faux news and other "downstream" media.


Also, what amendment does the health care bill violate?
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 12:52:28 PM »
fake outrage again? LOL LOL ya might want to listen a little closer. the tea parties got a lot of people to wake up to the healthcare scheme, and more.
 
Rasmussen: Tea Party 48% Obama 44%
Rasmussen ^| April 5, 2010

On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president’s views are closer to their own. Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President. Eighty-seven percent (87%) of those in the Political Class say their views are closer to the president. Sixty-three percent (63%) of Mainstream Americans say their views are closer to the Tea Party.

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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 02:48:19 PM »
fake outrage again? LOL LOL ya might want to listen a little closer. the tea parties got a lot of people to wake up to the healthcare scheme, and more.


I didn't say the tea partiers outrage was fake, I said Faux news outrage is fake. Glen Beck is a fraud, and the tea partiers are too stupid to recognize it. Tea partiers are this nations idiots. They can't spell, and they really don't know the constitution. What in the constitution makes the health care law unconstitutional?
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 03:59:54 PM »
What in the Constitution makes it Constitutional?  Where does it say the Congress and President can force people to purchase a product?  There is no place there for that.  No regurgitation from me.  I don't watch Beck or much of Fox for that matter.  The fact is, this dimocrat came right out and said he does not care about the Constitution.  When in heated discussion, the truth generally comes out.  Not when he comes back with an "explanation."

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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 04:08:42 PM »
What in the Constitution makes it Constitutional?


Article 1 Section 8


"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"




See how it says that congress has the power to provide for the general welfare of the United States? General welfare is a pretty broad statement. It could mean a lot of things.
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2010, 05:09:18 PM »
It certainly does not mean they can force citizens to buy a product of their choosing (Healthcare) at their whim. I await the SCOTUS ruling on it.  And remember this idiot stated quite clearly, he does not care about the Constitution.

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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2010, 05:43:14 PM »
There are a number of religious sects who do not believe in our health system, health care, Doctors, etc.  How in the world can they force those who find it against their religious practice to pay for something they will not/can not use?
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2010, 07:44:27 PM »
Courts can and have ordered people who’s religious beliefs put their children in danger by withholding treatments that a doctor has said it is needed.  In Oregon they pressed charges against two couples who let their children die. 

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2010, 07:50:12 PM »
Courts can and have ordered people who’s religious beliefs put their children in danger by withholding treatments that a doctor has said it is needed.  In Oregon they pressed charges against two couples who let their children die. 
Not everyone has children, but this will apply to everyone, regardless.
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2010, 11:33:25 PM »
It certainly does not mean they can force citizens to buy a product of their choosing (Healthcare) at their whim. I await the SCOTUS ruling on it.  And remember this idiot stated quite clearly, he does not care about the Constitution.


How do you figure it doesn't? If the product(healthcare) directly impacts the general welfare of the United States, they certainly have the power to require Americans to have it.


Yes, that guy doesn't know the constitution, but most Americans don't know the constitution either. Only 25% of Americans can name more than one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the first amendment, and only one in a thousand Americans can name all five. So pretty much all Americans are idiots, and they have a fair representation of the general population in office.


As far as caring about the constitution goes, neither party has shown respect for the constitution lately. If you care about the constitution, the best thing to do is vote for a libertarian. Unfortunately in most cases that is just throwing your vote away. So if you want your vote to matter, you have to choose between the party that admits it doesn't care about the constitution, or the the party that does everything in it's power to abolish the constitution. President Bush and a republican controlled congress actually did unconstitutional things, the democrats have only done constitutionally questionable things.
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2010, 11:44:48 PM »
I agree on both counts but do also believe this president is doing more to tear this country apart than any other previously.  He is worse than Carter was.  And please remember Obama did not let the Patriot Act die.  He kept it going and it is as Unconstitutional as it gets.  Yes  congress passed it, like healthcare, unread.  and both presidents signed legislation which they had not read either.  So we have at least two idiots in presidents and 535 congressional idiots.  What say we vote out all federal incumbents and perhaps get a few honest people in there to counter what Obama wants to do to us?  I do not agree that they have the power to make us buy any product.  None, Nada.  Healthcare it nothing more than a  ponzi scheme to get more money to the government and in huge amounts at that. If you don't know your rights, you dont' have any.

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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 02:20:01 AM »
constituitionally questionable? LOL show me where forcing citizens to pay for healthcare is constituitional. show me in the constituition where the irs is is legally aoowed to administer the healthcare scheme and seize funds and levy fines.

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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 02:28:46 AM »
first show us where the irs is legally aoowed to tax us in the first place
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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2010, 02:52:37 AM »
it is in the constituition. some have tried and failed saying taxes are uncostituitional. if it was we would not be paying. the 16th ammendment is the one making it legal. there have been challenges with other ammendments, but they failed.

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Re: Yeah He REALLY Cares about the Consititution
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 05:09:20 AM »
show me in the constituition where the irs is is legally aoowed to administer the healthcare scheme and seize funds and levy fines.

first show us where the irs is legally aoowed to tax us in the first place

 
Section 1 Article 8 "Powers of Congress"
 
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
 
As you can see, it clearly states that congress has the power to lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. Healthcare definitely falls under the category of general welfare. The CBO says the healthcare law will save america more than a trillion dollars over the next twenty years. The money it saves the US and the overall improved health of America is more than enough reasons for healthcare to fall under "general welfare".
 
The Supreme Court has upheld the right of congress to tax for the general welfare of the country. They have upheld Social Security, the civil rights act, and the clean air act, just to name a few. Each of these laws has taxes for the general welfare of the country. The tax for people who don't get healthcare is the same as the tax for companies who pollute. Pollution negatively effects all Americans, and people who don't have health care negatively effects America.
 
 
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2010, 12:08:14 PM »
Stop paraphrasing.  Promote the general welfare is what it says.  Not control it or us.  Your thinking that people who are ill is not good for this country is exactly what Obama wants.  That way they can deny care to the elderly, and you can bet they will.  Better look at the loss of ancillary services and nursing homes in the next few years listed in the bill.  As I said, a ponzi scheme Madoff would be proud of.  The only "power" these idiots have is derived from the people.  they have chosen to ignore the Constitution and bastardize it at will.