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JB, I know your department is frustrated with the PA.  I know it takes a lot of paper work when you arrest someone and when the PA lets it go it is a real kick in the nuts.  But to say it takes 340 days to earn enough hours to get POST certified is stretching the truth.  I was part of MO state police.  The "Big Three" (state patrol, water patrol, and conservation agents) are the only police training in the state that gives 2600 hours of training.  I lived at the patrol academy for six months to get that and only came home on weekends and not every weekend either but it certainly was not 340 days.  Most small town and county police have the minimum required 420 hours.  I'm not talking about on going training.  Just the minimum needed initial training to be able to take the POST  test.  Keep on making those arrests...CYA.  We will have a new PA soon enough. 



   I wasreferring to the local MSA Academy for POST training and that was the last figure I had been given. If that figure is in error I will correct it shortly.

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Re: PCSD- Burglary Arrests
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2010, 01:16:00 PM »
Of those how many are simple Misdemeanors?  How many felonies does the prosecutor not file would you say? Do you usually try to pass blame elsewhere?


   No if we make a mistake I stand up and say so. For the last five years I have said we do not have the manpower to handle our calls and to do adequate follow up on cases. Suddenly everybody understands that I was right and it is my fault.

  So yes as the guy at the top of the food chain for this department it is my fault.

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« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2010, 02:54:28 PM »
Of those how many are simple Misdemeanors?  How many felonies does the prosecutor not file would you say? Do you usually try to pass blame elsewhere?

   I had my UCR officer do the research and he came up with 613 felony and 813 misdemeanor arrests for us.
   JB

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« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2010, 02:56:47 PM »


   I wasreferring to the local MSA Academy for POST training and that was the last figure I had been given. If that figure is in error I will correct it shortly.


     I checked with Capt. Bill Anderson who is the director of the MSA Academy here in Waynesville and the next class starts in Aug. 2010, and ends June 2011 so the figure of 340 days is very close. Can it be done faster at another location? Yes it can.

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Re: PCSD- Burglary Arrests
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2010, 03:23:16 PM »
   I had my UCR officer do the research and he came up with 613 felony and 813 misdemeanor arrests for us.
   JB

So you used manpower you dont have to answer a question on a silly internet board?

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« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2010, 03:39:45 PM »

So you used manpower you dont have to answer a question on a silly internet board?
Since the count is being kept up, I don't believe the UCR officer had to spend manhours getting the information for JB.  A quick look at figures from last year.

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Re: PCSD- Burglary Arrests
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2010, 03:43:16 PM »

So you used manpower you dont have to answer a question on a silly internet board?

Wow that is one stupid quote, You don't have to be an as*hole all the time

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Re: PCSD- Burglary Arrests
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2010, 03:49:57 PM »

So you used manpower you dont have to answer a question on a silly internet board?


   Had I failed to answer the question I am sure I would have taken a hit for that also. Yes, Tony had to type a command into the computer and let the printer go wild for a few minutes. We always have admin questions and problems that come up and much of the day shift is devoted to those questions.

Have a nice day.

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« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2010, 05:41:16 PM »
So you used manpower you dont have to answer a question on a silly internet board?

I'm going to speak up here. Sheriff King is an elected official. It is his job to answer questions from the public. And a very good case can be made that when he answers a question here, he will answer it for hundreds or even thousands of people, so he saves time by not having to answer the same question over and over and over again.

As of a few minutes ago, this thread has been read 1,810 times. There is no other venue in Pulaski County through which which someone can ask something on a hot topic and expect more than a thousand people to see the answer from our elected officials.

I'm very much aware that in some people's minds this is a "silly message board." I took a lot of criticism when I decided to hire Rick Lepard as my webmaster and have the Pulaski County Web host the comments for my Pulaski County Daily News articles. Raw numbers prove I made the right decision, and having Rick Lepard host my comment forums is a major part of why my average daily readership is now higher than the circulation of either the Waynesville Daily Guide or the Richland-based Pulaski County Mirror (formerly Richland Mirror and Pulaski County Democrat).
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« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2010, 05:57:44 PM »
I might add that there do not seen to be to many local elected officials on this board exposed to all questions and comments. In fact I think I can count them on one finger.
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« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2010, 09:53:12 PM »
Sheriff, I truly am not trying to be ugly.  That being said,  on page two of this thread you said about 1150 arrests in 09 and then on page three you give 1426.  That is a 300 arrest difference.
 
Are those on warrants and therefore don't count? 
 
I know I said round numbers but that is 25% difference?
 
And then again, is there any way to know if the 900 or so cases the prosecutor filed were PCSD or other departments?  Maybe I missed that.  But I'm trying to figure that so the reason can be asked of the prosecutor.  With all the Laquey stuff, it would be nice to hear from her why she does not file.
 
I want to thank you again for coming on here and answering questions and taking shots.  Much more gutsy than those idiots in the courthouse.

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« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2010, 10:31:38 PM »
Sheriff, I truly am not trying to be ugly.  That being said,  on page two of this thread you said about 1150 arrests in 09 and then on page three you give 1426.  That is a 300 arrest difference.
 
Are those on warrants and therefore don't count? 
 
I know I said round numbers but that is 25% difference?
 
And then again, is there any way to know if the 900 or so cases the prosecutor filed were PCSD or other departments?  Maybe I missed that.  But I'm trying to figure that so the reason can be asked of the prosecutor.  With all the Laquey stuff, it would be nice to hear from her why she does not file.
 
I want to thank you again for coming on here and answering questions and taking shots.  Much more gutsy than those idiots in the courthouse.


 The diff in numbers will require a look. I hope I did not get caught relying on my memory. The 802 cases were all departments combined.

        JB

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« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2010, 10:44:03 PM »
Sheriff, I truly am not trying to be ugly.  That being said,  on page two of this thread you said about 1150 arrests in 09 and then on page three you give 1426.  That is a 300 arrest difference.


 
 
Are those on warrants and therefore don't count? 
 
I know I said round numbers but that is 25% difference?
 
And then again, is there any way to know if the 900 or so cases the prosecutor filed were PCSD or other departments?  Maybe I missed that.  But I'm trying to figure that so the reason can be asked of the prosecutor.  With all the Laquey stuff, it would be nice to hear from her why she does not file.
 
I want to thank you again for coming on here and answering questions and taking shots.  Much more gutsy than those idiots in the courthouse.



   
   The figure above of 613 felony and 813 Misd. are straight from our crimestar file with a printout of the names and dates as backup.

    The UCR data gets a bit tricky. They also count felony & misd. cases but only the most "normal" or should I say "reportable" cases. Our crimestar counts all. Still that seems like a lot to miss even though UCR's only capture about 25 statutes. I may have to do some more research to give a better answer.

Which case got filed? That will be very hard. We do not keep a PC Vs. charge filed log so right now I have no way to answer that one with out a very long search. We do not exactly have the time and manpower to keep every statistic like they do in baseball. Right now I would love to have that but I do not have that information.

        JB
 

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« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2010, 10:49:15 PM »

 The diff in numbers will require a look. I hope I did not get caught relying on my memory. The 802 cases were all departments combined.

        JB

Isn't that about 1/2 the rate of other PA's in the past?

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« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2010, 10:53:13 PM »
Isn't that about 1/2 the rate of other PA's in the past?


    From memory, repeat from MEMORY, and subject to old age malfunction, Hedrick usually ran around 2,700 and Kriebs about 2,200 per year. I will try to ask Rachelle for exact numbers.

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« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2010, 11:27:45 PM »
I accept your answer about not being able to say.  I appreciate your honesty.  The number about 2200 vs. 800 or whatever they are is more telling than anything,  I don't believe you guys have gotten 2/3 worse so as far as I am concerned, I got what I wanted, and the blame is the PA. At least in my mind.

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« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2010, 03:12:49 PM »
I accept your answer about not being able to say.  I appreciate your honesty.  The number about 2200 vs. 800 or whatever they are is more telling than anything,  I don't believe you guys have gotten 2/3 worse so as far as I am concerned, I got what I wanted, and the blame is the PA. At least in my mind.


   Well you may want to kick me  after all but remember I said MEMORY and I was way off. The following are ALL criminal charges filed in Pulaski County Circuit court each year listed and the total does include change of venue cases.

1. Year 2000              cases   2458
2.         2001                          2070
3.         2002                          1823
4.         2003                          1496
5.         2004                          1516
6.         2005                          1522
7.         2006                          1709
8.         2007                          977
9.         2008                          1022
10.       2009                          1022

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« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2010, 03:29:31 PM »
Based on those figures one would be enclined to think the prosecutor isn't doing their job too well!

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« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2010, 05:02:07 PM »
If I am doing the math correctly, Mike Headrick was doing one hell of a good job.
 
 

   Well you may want to kick me  after all but remember I said MEMORY and I was way off. The following are ALL criminal charges filed in Pulaski County Circuit court each year listed and the total does include change of venue cases.

1. Year 2000              cases   2458
2.         2001                          2070
3.         2002                          1823
4.         2003                          1496
5.         2004                          1516
6.         2005                          1522
7.         2006                          1709
8.         2007                          977
9.         2008                          1022
10.       2009                          1022

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« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2010, 05:16:54 PM »
If I am doing the math correctly, Mike Headrick was doing one hell of a good job.
 
 and he was part time wasn't he?
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« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2010, 02:31:21 PM »
I might add that there do not seen to be to many local elected officials on this board exposed to all questions and comments. In fact I think I can count them on one finger.
JB

Change that from one finger to one hand and I agree -- you would probably want to add Rep. David Day to that, and prosecutor candidate Kevin Hillman, both of whom get on this board pretty regularly to answer questions.
 
In the past we've had various other candidates for elective office get on here and ask or answer questions pretty often. Some of them are now in office, others are candidates again this year.
 
As for people who "lurk" -- we all know a number of elected officials read this board regularly and/or have accounts. I ran into three of them in just the last two days who mentioned this board and their regular reading of it (and in some cases participation under screen names that are not obvious IDs). I don't think it's their fault if nobody chooses to ask questions about them; my guess is that if certain elected officials started getting criticized here we'd quickly find out who certain screen names belong to because they'd pipe up and defend themselves.
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« Reply #81 on: May 15, 2010, 04:05:28 PM »

Change that from one finger to one hand and I agree -- you would probably want to add Rep. David Day to that, and prosecutor candidate Kevin Hillman, both of whom get on this board pretty regularly to answer questions.
 
In the past we've had various other candidates for elective office get on here and ask or answer questions pretty often. Some of them are now in office, others are candidates again this year.
 
As for people who "lurk" -- we all know a number of elected officials read this board regularly and/or have accounts. I ran into three of them in just the last two days who mentioned this board and their regular reading of it (and in some cases participation under screen names that are not obvious IDs). I don't think it's their fault if nobody chooses to ask questions about them; my guess is that if certain elected officials started getting criticized here we'd quickly find out who certain screen names belong to because they'd pipe up and defend themselves.


   Nope I said elected local, Dave is state level and Kevin has not yet been elected.But I can live with the one hand statement. As to the lurkers it is one thing to lurk and another to paint the bullseye on your back and go forth into the lions den.

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« Reply #82 on: May 16, 2010, 07:23:14 AM »
I agree. The sheriff is the only one who takes hits to the chin on here who is an elected official. the rest just say off colored comments about this site in newspaper articles . David Day Keeps us informed at the state level. Now I Do Have a Kevin Hillman Sign in my yard, I didnt put it there but I guess Ill let it stay since I did asked him for one...lol. My kids took pictures of it like it was an alien craft in the yard and woke me up to tell me it was there.I had to laugh. I could use one for the shop as well.
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« Reply #83 on: May 16, 2010, 04:14:04 PM »
I agree. The sheriff is the only one who takes hits to the chin on here who is an elected official. the rest just say off colored comments about this site in newspaper articles . David Day Keeps us informed at the state level. Now I Do Have a Kevin Hillman Sign in my yard, I didnt put it there but I guess Ill let it stay since I did asked him for one...lol. My kids took pictures of it like it was an alien craft in the yard and woke me up to tell me it was there.I had to laugh. I could use one for the shop as well.

That was my sign crew in action!  I think in your case it was my wife and kids.  I'll have a sign dropped by your office.

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« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2010, 04:27:28 PM »

     I checked with Capt. Bill Anderson who is the director of the MSA Academy here in Waynesville and the next class starts in Aug. 2010, and ends June 2011 so the figure of 340 days is very close. Can it be done faster at another location? Yes it can.

From the MSA website:
Classes are held Tuesday & Thursday evenings from 6p-10p, Saturdays from 8a-5p and Sundays as needed. The course is over 640 hours long and takes 10 months to complete.
 
Trainees are not training 340 days.  They are training 640 hours.
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« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2010, 04:46:40 PM »
10 months equal 300 plus days
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« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2010, 04:56:24 PM »
If one was to do the math...........640 hrs =6 weeks based on a 40 hr week. Just the way I do math!

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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2010, 04:58:17 PM »
Correction .......seems my key board left on a ONE. Thus 640 hours  = 16 weeks :fight:

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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2010, 05:19:20 PM »

From the MSA website:
Classes are held Tuesday & Thursday evenings from 6p-10p, Saturdays from 8a-5p and Sundays as needed. The course is over 640 hours long and takes 10 months to complete.
 

Trainees can still have a full time job while getting qualified at night and on weekend (16 or so hours a week ).  They are not at it every day.  So if some Laquey residents actually wanted to do this they can get student loan assistance and then if the PCS office would take them on as reserve deputies we would have a few more on the roads.
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Re: PCSD- Burglary Arrests
« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2010, 06:17:32 PM »
The meeting in Laquey to me went beyond the article that DTM wrote. It focused on the question from the woman who said she had a gun.  (What about the Castle doctrine) There was a lot heat about the way people are treated by the deputies. People mentioned excessive force (I know that can be a one side argument but if true not good) there was mention of people getting plate numbers to no avail. Not everyone there that had a story to tell was from Laquey there were people from Crocker, Dixon, Richland, Saint Robert and Waynesville that I know of. I know JB mentioned in either this post or another one that he has talked to his people about being more respectable to the public. This is a good thing.  Now I have a question about the PA. Does she also handle cases that happen within city limits for example Saint Robert and how does the PD like her?  I have heard that it is only the PCSD that has problems with her.  If anyone knows the answer to that I would appreciate it. I also wonder what would happen if the LE tax on put the ballot and it didnít pass. I think that it would make the PCSD bitter but they would still try and do their job.  I would like to see it on the ballot.