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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2010, 10:26:16 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2010, 11:10:13 PM »
I don't really even go to strip clubs.  At least not for the reasons that most do. I go to collect my pay check.  I'm pretty indifferent on the issue of actually "missing them" aside from the missing cash I will be forced to possibly tackle in September.

I just don't like freedoms to be taken away based on religion... and at the end of the day they can say that it doesn't have anything to do with religion or people's idea of morality but that's a BS cop out because their claim that they raise crime rates is bogus.

Its just one holier than thou politician with an agenda.

I'm just trying to get it out there a little bit more because up until just recently they kept it really quiet.  They wanted this to just slide by quietly and hope nobody noticed until it became law.

I'm almost of the mind to think that the governor signed the law so that WE CAN fight it now... not sure what would have happened if he just left it on his desk and it went into effect on its own.  At least now there's still time for an injunction.

This sits on the same grounds as constant gun regulation.

There's more fight going on on this issue than anyone realizes.  This site has never been a good indicator of popular opinion because unfortunately it has been divided into teams that scare the hell out of most of the lurkers who read it.  People are afraid of getting their asses jumped and beat down with a bible when they post their opinions on controversial items such as this.  Even I am guilty of doing this to some... but that's just bbs culture... its always been that way.

Not finding much support on this issue are ya Digital?

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2010, 11:11:39 PM »
It includes anything adult oriented with a valid business license.

Does this Bill include private clubs?

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2010, 01:05:06 AM »
convert bl to a hooters.

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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2010, 03:03:18 AM »
Pretty good idea actually.  I think that was part of what he was trying to do there... but a little different.

The income changes though... there is much more to be made from the business as it operates now.

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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2010, 12:23:49 PM »
the tips won't be near as good, but the hours it is open could be longer and no age restriction may increase customer flow. I don't frequent the current business. I still believe it is a choice.

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2010, 10:19:20 PM »
It is a choice, and that's one thing we actually agree on.

One persons idea of morality isn't going to be the same as another.

I'm all about everyone just leaving each other alone... but nobody ever wants to.  They always have to try and "save" someone because they're "lost."

That's pretty much always been a "how dare you!" statement to me.  LOL.

the tips won't be near as good, but the hours it is open could be longer and no age restriction may increase customer flow. I don't frequent the current business. I still believe it is a choice.

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« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2010, 12:30:23 AM »
I didn't say it is morally right either, but God made us as free agents. to believe as we will. that includes businesses we frequent. I go to resturaunts that serve alcohol. some will not go there for that reason alone. we all have to account for our choices. that is also what freedom is all about, choice. bl is a legal business. I believe the money lost in the area by bl could be replaced by a business that caters to a wider crowd, but developers are too busy building houses and hotels. the aquatic center maybe a start. how much revenue is lost this time of year to the lakes, springfield,6 flags. much of that would not be recouped if bl's closed, but much could be with draws for the captive audience that is flw. the trainees have money to burn and many of the people that live here would spend more here instead of out of town if they had a reason to. the only losers if a bl's closed would be the employees.

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2010, 02:04:50 AM »
the only losers if a bl's closed would be the employees.

I am sure Big Louis pays a lot of taxes. So the town would lose valuable tax dollars. Cabbies would lose money too, because a lot of soldiers go to Big Louis by cab. Every business that strippers frequent would lose money. Waffle House, McDonalds, and Subway would lose their 3 and 4 am strip club rush. Soldiers would lose the ability to go see some naked womens, and that, my friends, is completely unAmerican.
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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2010, 05:58:11 AM »
I didn't say it is morally right either, but God made us as free agents. to believe as we will. that includes businesses we frequent. I go to resturaunts that serve alcohol. some will not go there for that reason alone. we all have to account for our choices. that is also what freedom is all about, choice. bl is a legal business. I believe the money lost in the area by bl could be replaced by a business that caters to a wider crowd, but developers are too busy building houses and hotels. the aquatic center maybe a start. how much revenue is lost this time of year to the lakes, springfield,6 flags. much of that would not be recouped if bl's closed, but much could be with draws for the captive audience that is flw. the trainees have money to burn and many of the people that live here would spend more here instead of out of town if they had a reason to. the only losers if a bl's closed would be the employees.
I disagree. Young GI's arent going to spend a bundle at some museum, or some family fun place. they do however like to spend money on hotels, tattoos, liquor, and Seeing a naked woman. Sad but true but business' here thrive on GI's, ans seeing how they support the community, taking out businesses that they will frequent, seems really stupid.
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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2010, 09:26:34 AM »
I think the makers of this bill would have you believe that they are targeting the truly BAD strip clubs out there on the edges of small towns... the clubs that SHOULD be shut down... but the reality exists that they aren't all seedy establishments like the moral right would have you believe.

I know for a fact, having worked for both companies, that Big Louie's and After Dark are two of the most professionally run clubs in the state.  They tolerate nothing illegal by their employees and terminate anyone who breaks their company rules.

I have heard of a few clubs in Springfield that have little regard for the law... and get away with it.  Those are obviously the bad ones.

That's where I think the city should step in and the local community should take action and do something about a blight in their community.  Making this a STATE law is ridiculous.

You have good AND bad businesses in ANY industry.  Passing a law to smash EVERYONE doesn't make sense...  the only reality behind this law is that it is a personal vendetta.  This guy is on his last term so he wants to have something shiny on his career... that's all it is.

I'm sure the moral right had something to do with getting it passed.  They like to throw their weight around and threaten politicians with cutting off their funding of their campaigns.

Which I think should be illegal.  That's not exactly FOR THE PEOPLE... its for the few... the few with the money to buy off the politicians.  That defeats the veil this country was founded on.  I say "veil" because I sometimes wonder if it was EVER about freedom of anything... or if that was just the BS they told the common citizens to appease the rabble.

Freedom sounds good in concept... but it doesn't hold much weight outside of being written on paper.  At least not anymore it seems...

I disagree. Young GI's arent going to spend a bundle at some museum, or some family fun place. they do however like to spend money on hotels, tattoos, liquor, and Seeing a naked woman. Sad but true but business' here thrive on GI's, ans seeing how they support the community, taking out businesses that they will frequent, seems really stupid.

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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2010, 02:15:34 AM »
They tried to do this in Tampa,FL. The most popular case being the Mons Venus, Joe Redner actually made a documentary about it. He also fought to have the law changed and won,on grounds of 1st amendment rights.

 Check out his website, www.voiceoffreedom.com it might be of some help to local stirp club owners.
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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2010, 09:28:10 PM »
you have to be religious to have morals?



haven't you insisted exactly that countless times in other threads?

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2010, 01:51:09 AM »
maybe read all the posts for the context?

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2010, 05:16:59 PM »
Did you deal with this story yet?

When I get done with dead deer, terminated colonels, missing people, a rape acquittal, a child pornographer going to jail, murder case updates, cannon replacements, more fights about roads and deputies and budgets, a proposed new hospital, and a whole ton of other backed-up things, I plan to deal with this story as well. This is an important issue for our area, perhaps more so than any other area in the state except Whiteman Air Force Base.

However, since bars were brought up, we need to note that bars are **ALREADY** regulated as to where they can locate, at least in cities with zoning. This comes up periodically when an existing bar closes down, doesn't reopen for a while, and new people want to come in and open it and they find out that it's too close to a church, school, or other listed building, and they can't reopen the bar.

If I understand correctly, this state law would impose location rules on strip clubs in unincorporated rural areas without countywide or township-based zoning comparable to what already exists in cities.

I do realize the rules go beyond that and include language targeted specifically at strip clubs, but the location issue appears to be comparable to what already exists for bars and a number of other uses within cities that have zoning.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong.


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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2010, 05:54:29 PM »
Did you deal with this story yet?


The elections are over. The new bill will take effect in a couple of weeks. Now is a good time.

Feel free to pass on to Mr. Wagner that I will be available for an interview this Friday or Saturday. He didn't want to do this by phone which is one of the big things delaying this, but I will have some limited time available at the end of this week for a face-to-face chat.

Perhaps somewhere in St. Robert would be best.
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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2010, 11:06:36 PM »
I've exchanged your numbers between one another.

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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2010, 09:29:04 PM »
How'd it go?

I've exchanged your numbers between one another.

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2010, 09:38:44 PM »
I have it on good authority that the Hokey-Pokey really IS what it's all about.

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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2010, 09:40:01 PM »

you wont get an answer til after midnight DN, DTM will not work on Sunday...but i am sure he will get back to you, even if it is by pm
I have it on good authority that the Hokey-Pokey really IS what it's all about.

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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2010, 10:06:36 PM »
Yea... thanks, I figured.

you wont get an answer til after midnight DN, DTM will not work on Sunday...but i am sure he will get back to you, even if it is by pm

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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2010, 06:28:37 AM »
To answer your question, DN, it was a helpful interview. The operator of After Dark does a good job of dealing with media. He's a young man but he's clearly done his research and knows how to present himself well to the media.
 
As I told him Saturday, this is not a minor issue. I need to take some time to interview the two local state legislators who voted for this bill along with other community leaders (i.e., the Ministerial Alliance and the Chamber of Commerce) who support it. I will probably call Bill Ransdall as well since he was involved prior to Rep. Day in dealing with strip club legislation and was directly involved as presiding commissioner in the proposed tax on strip clubs that at least one local strip club owner thought would be a helpful to his business as well as to local law enforcement and therefore the community at large. Since the bill makes the claim that strip clubs contribute to area crime, I will need to interview Sheriff King regarding his experience with both Big Louie's and Big Daddy's/After Dark (and yes, I do know there have been major changes and current management should not be blamed for prior management at the same location). I will try to call Louie Keen as well; my guess is that after the last situation with Fort Leonard Wood he will prefer to speak off-the-record and that's his choice if he chooses to do so.
 
Since I know this is going to get copied and pasted other places, no, I have not decided to support strip clubs. What's happening is that the state legislature has passed a bill which, if it survives court scrutiny, will likely shut down most remaining adult entertainment in Pulaski County. Some people -- probably a large majority of Pulaski County and of my readers -- will think that's a wonderful idea. However, at least one of our local strip club operators wants to discuss the issue, and I need to treat him fairly and give him, as well as the ministerial alliance and local elected officials, the opportunity to explain their views on this new law.
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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2010, 10:31:38 AM »
Good.

I'm sure you'll be fair and unbiased...

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Re: House Bill 586
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2010, 07:52:57 PM »
I don't go to  them anymore but they should of left them alone.

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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2010, 08:13:32 PM »
I'm sure the Chamber would love to see the strip clubs go.  They're in bed with a lot of the "old blood" around here.  Old blood would like nothing more than to tap into that extra revenue generated by the military in the strip clubs.

This area is a stagnant cesspool of old blood and outdated ideas.

Every town has hypocrisy... but I've never lived anywhere where it was just so damn annoying as it is here...

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« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2010, 12:28:33 AM »
they aren't on the off limits list. they are legal.  I don't go there. It is a choice. before someone starts persuing closing them down, I think they also have a responsibility to have a plan to replace the lost revenues and jobs with new business, and be an investor in their developement

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« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2010, 01:49:52 AM »
Your right.

I think you just like having me say that lately.  LOL.

they aren't on the off limits list. they are legal.  I don't go there. It is a choice. before someone starts persuing closing them down, I think they also have a responsibility to have a plan to replace the lost revenues and jobs with new business, and be an investor in their developement

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« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2010, 08:24:11 PM »
http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/strippers-protest-church/

Everyone loves a good "man bites dog" story, and this most definitely qualifies.  Via Ed Brayton at Dispatches from the Culture War, a group of "dancers" became so fed up with a church targeting their workplace, they've decided to turn the tables.

Now the strippers are protesting the church.

From the Columbus Dispatch:

The battle that has heretofore playedout in the parking lot of George's strip club - the Foxhole, arun-down, garage-like building at a Coshocton County crossroads calledNewcastle - has shifted 7 miles east to Church Street.
Every weekend for the last four years,Dunfee and members of his ministry have stood watch over George'sjoint, taking up residence in the right of way with signs, videocameras and bullhorns in hand. They videotape customers' license platesand post them online, and they try to save the souls of anyone whocomes and goes.
Now, the dancers have turned the tables,so to speak. Fed up with the tactics of Dunfee and his flock, they saythey have finally accepted his constant invitation to come to church.
It's just that they've come wearing see-through shorts and toting Super Soakers.
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George said the protest has been a longtime coming. He sued the church in federal court several years ago,claiming a violation of his constitutional rights, but he lost. Now, hesaid, turnabout is fair play.
"When these morons go away, we'll goaway," George said. "The great thing about this country is thateveryone has a right to believe what they want."
 
The targetting being done by the church is very familiar to anyonewho knows much about clinic defense for abortion providers.  Theintimidation tactics of writing down license plate numbers of clients,protesting, praying loudly, and offering redemption and support (bothemotional and financial) are typical of any religiously chargedprotest. 
 
 What is wonderful here is that the strippers havebrought the fight back to the protesters, in their own personal space. And how to deal with that befuddles the church.
 
The first few weeks, Dunfee piped the sermon outside. But that "agitated" them, he said, and made them dance in the streets.
These women are refusing to be harassed, intimidated, or in anyother way bullied.  They have tried to remind people that this is thework they do, and how they support their own families.

Is itgood that women should have to resort to stripping to feed theirchildren?  Of course not.  But to try to bully them out of their jobsis even worse, and it is good that the women are standing up forthemselves.

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« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2010, 02:22:41 AM »
More power to em. I don't understand why you would target these young ladies for going to work, if you wanna press your morality on someone, expect somebody to press back.

Maybe a drive-thru car wash for donations would be a good tactic ....  :th_thicon_super:

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« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2010, 03:51:15 AM »
Its just more egotism in work... someone who thinks that they are right and feels the need to try and save the rest of the world because they believe their morality to be so much better than anyone elses.

Or I guess it could be because of a lack of being able to be a parent and being too afraid to explain adult businesses to your children... like in the case of the guy who wrote the Bill...

Seriously... that's what he based his actions with this bill on... some crackpot story about having to explain what a strip club is to his daughter...

I think he just probably got his feelings hurt by a dancer sometime.  LOL.  Maybe she wouldn't have an affair with him or something and he went all militant against strip clubs.  LOL.

This is his last term... so I guess he wants to go out with a bang and get the bill passed that he never could get passed before...  It will probably make him look shinier to his congregation at church...

More power to em. I don't understand why you would target these young ladies for going to work, if you wanna press your morality on someone, expect somebody to press back.

Maybe a drive-thru car wash for donations would be a good tactic ....  :th_thicon_super: