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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2010, 07:31:30 PM »

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Mr. Kepple,
 
I am not going to argue with you because it is obvious that will do no good.  However just a few points of mis-information you are putting out:

-No, I have never said that reason I opposed this is because of something that happend in high school, not sure what that is about.
-Rod Jetton was term-limited out of office.  While he is dealing with some legal issues now, it had nothing to do with that statement nor did he ever lose an election, so that statement is also not true.
-I backed the bill that increased the fines, etc... because it was a part of a larger crime bill.  Like we have to do very often, I had to decide if the good outweighed the bad in my opinion.
-I was one of the leaders in getting the MIAC Report withdrawn, and the head of that division was removed from his position.
-Lastly, I have said that I have "moved some" on this issue and will look at all legislation with an open mind.  I believe that is openly admiting that I am not as "dug in" against it as I once was, but still have concerns with the bill that was written last session.

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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2010, 12:50:36 AM »
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I, for one, appreciate your willingness to listen to both sides of the issue with an open mind. I understand your hesitation to support medicinal use of marijuana with the high probability of people like me who will abuse the system just for recreational purposes, but please don't let that be the sole reason for keeping it from people who could legitimately benefit from its use.
 
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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2010, 05:31:54 AM »
It's great for back aches. It makes it easier to sleep at night when you have muscle pain. Sure there are other things that can help better, but those things are highly addictive and expensive.

I go to a pain Dr in Rolla and he will quit perscribing me percacets and Oxycontin if I show up and test positive for any other drug in my system. To include pot.
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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2010, 05:54:20 AM »
Pete, I take it you are not able to work, or does your job make allowances for the medications?  Percacet is a schedule 2 drug, as is oxycontin, and there has been some discussion concerning a schedule 2 drug while working (should marijuana be rescheduled as a 2 drug).  Do you drive, or do you have someone drive you around, and if you drive, is the Doctor aware of this?  So much has been made about medicinal marijuana along these same lines, yet it seems to be forgotten that there are many schedule 2 drugs prescribed everyday for many, many conditions.
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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2010, 02:26:19 AM »
Look how much medicinal marijuana has helped these suffering individuals.






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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2010, 06:06:17 PM »
Yep, here are some pot-heads, toking... Yep, people will do "anything" to "enjoy marijuana" (great sarcasm).
MS Patients Visit MS Society, DC, Part 1
MS Patients Speak to MS Society, Washington, DC - Part 2
Here's a pot-head who receives his pot from the Government...
Govt Denies Marijuana Effective, Yet They Supply This Man With 11 Oz / Month?
Doctors pushing pot? (the rest of the series can be seen at youtube)
Oregon Marijuana Doctor Tells All: Q&A Part 1
Dr. Phillip A. Denney, M.D. Part 1 of 3
Dr. David Bearman at Medical Marijuana Conference
AMA requesting rescheduling of marijuana?  Say it isn't so!  There will be "marijuana madness"!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Why should medicinal marijuana have any more rules/stipulations, than any other schedule 2 drug?  I agree that there should be a limit as to how much one can possess (as is the case with any schedule 2 drug), how many plants one may grow (no, you don't need privately owned marijuana farms growing acres) for personal use, and there must be some identification for law enforcement (as with ANY schedule 2 drug) so not to create an unfair burden on our PD.  Why should medicinal marijuana be treated different, than any schedule 2 drug?

I see all these added "concerns", given to medicinal marijuana as nothing more than a way to keep those suffering, in pain longer.
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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2010, 11:59:51 PM »
Representative David Day, while I respect your conviction and dedication to your position to represent our district, you contridicted yourself according to an email. I've considered this carefully since it was a private email between you and I. However, I am a writer and you are a public person. You must have known that at some point, it could be used. According to that email, you have no intention of ever entertaining the thought of legalizing marijuana.
 
"I remember many friends in High School (wow, now that has been a few years back) that did smoke pot, but to get even more wasted, they drank also.  I understand your point and also know that in some situations it might work, but I don't think the answer to solving a problem with one drug is to encourage by legalizing another."
 
I realize you had just gotten into office and didn't have much experience that you have now. However, the last time that I checked, alcohol causes cancer. It doesn't prevent it like marijuana does. In fact, isn't it true that it is illegal to deny alcohol sales by the bottle to a Missouri community or even an adult as long as it is not in violation of court order? A leftover from post prohibition in our law.
 
Representative Day, you raise cattle so you're a practical sort of guy and not given to trendy things. By your own decision making, you're a man who makes careful choices by studying the issue. By your own words, you also make decisions based on your personal experiences. Maybe you haven't had the people you love slowly die as I have seen and there is nothing you can do to help them. Sometimes it's like God is on vacation. Give them a drug to help, and they vomit it up. Wouldn't it nice if marijuana for medical use and maybe ease their suffering and possibly recover as well. Wouldn't you want to give your loved ones anything they wished? Instead, grandma could be tased for violating the law. She can have a whiskey and a cigarette, but not a life saving marijuana joint. 

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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2010, 12:58:41 AM »
I don't believe my comments imply that the reason I was against it was because one was linked to another as I believe you implied in a previous post, I was simply making the point that I didn't believe the answer to drinking issues is to legalize another drug such as marijuana. 

I believe the discussion (which I won't go into detail because of privacy issue for you) was about a person you knew who had experienced serious drinking issue and you felt that if they had marijuana available it would have been better than the drinking they did, I was simply saying that I don't believe making one available is a good alternative to the other in a situation like that.  If they were that dependent, chances are they would end up doing both (not a doctor, just my opinion).

I have also said that I have "moved some" on the issue in this post.  That means I am acknowledging I was totally against it and now am having some second thoughts, and am looking at it a little differently.  If that is not clear, I don't know how to explain it any better.

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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2010, 01:40:58 AM »
THC possible anti-tumoral effect?
Dr. Donald Tashkin Marijuana Lung Cancer Study Pt 1 of 2
Marijuana Study Shows No Lung Cancer Links
Montel Williams:
Montel Williams - Medical Marijuana

A soldier returns from war.  He/she suffers from PTSD.  He/she is given a bag full of schedule 2 drugs, many of which have serious side effects (monthly blood work may need to be done, because of the damage the drugs have been known to cause).  Pills are needed to sleep, pills are needed to function throughout the day.  Many of the symptoms can be relieved by medicinal marijuana.  This Veteran put his/her life on the line, yet can not have a Doctor eliminate the dangerous schedule 2 drugs, because the Doctor can not legally prescribe medicinal marijuana.  Are we caring for our Veterans, or are we slowly killing them?

Question, since the Federal Government classifies marijuana as a schedule 1 drug, shouldn't someone in the Federal Government be arrested, and sentenced to jail for using tax payers money to grow, and supply marijuana to individuals?   
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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2010, 01:49:41 AM »
Well Representative Day, our opinions can change. That we can agree on. I trust that you will give such a bill a chance. Our world is changing and ordinary people need to be given choices in this New World Order that will subject all of us to a dictatorship eventually. You of all people know that the Ozarks is all about freedom.

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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2010, 05:54:35 PM »
Representative Day, is it just a coincidence that we are having this discussion and suddenly today at 10:30 a.m., there is a military Blackhawk helicopter hovering over my home doing a marijuana scan? I know that they're playing with a new camera system to look for marijuana fields, but do you actually believe in your delusional cowboy mind that I'd be growing weed and arguing with you about legalizing marijuana? Is that the way the Republicans spend taxpayer money by intimidation tactics? Oh yeah, Watergate ... I forgot. Sorry. The Republican Party has an agenda to control the American people. Not making this up Dave, and you know it. Meanwhile, Republicans bring in illegal immigrants because it's what we do when we undermine a foreign country before dismantling it and now Washington is doing it to their own people. They want rid of the Jones Act, regarding BP, because that's about American labor on meritime vessels owned by the U.S. Again, the Republicans demonstrating a pattern of behavior to use poverty to break Americans. It's right out of the CIA playbook. Representative Day thankfully corrected me concerning former Representative Rod Jetton losing the election, when he really went out on term limits. That's worse. That means that the 2008 Republican majority leader had nothing to lose by telling the truth from the standpoint of the Republican Party's underlying agenda by breaking the "lazy Missourians" and bringing in illegal immigrants for cheap labor. And Dave, we did dirty deeds in fighting Communism and as soldiers, we were told it was for the "bigger picture" of things by the Republican Party during the 80's and Iran-Contra. Don't tell me it didn't happen because I was there and I've got evidence. Now we're buddies with the Commies to further the New World Order. In order for the United States to join the New World Order, we must have national health care, socialism and be disarmed. They can't go house to house to take our guns because that would start a war, but they can make us surrender them for a block of government cheese if we are made to be impoverished and dependent solely on the government. Poverty makes a nifty weapon as was used in Vietnam and against the Native Americans. Maybe you are truly ignorant of these things Representative and maybe you didn't have anything to do with the little intimidation thing going on over my farm this morning. I write a lot more in Arizona than I do here because that's where the battle for freedom will start. I've got lots and lots of political enemies because I don't like the way my country is going. Representative, if the American people are going to survive, they will need herbal medications that they can grow. When the time comes, the law abiding American Christian will be the criminal and in order for them to have a fighting chance, they need those drugs. In guerrilla warfare tactics, the medic must be trained in the use of natural herbs grown in the wild because it's not like freedom fighters can go to the pharmacy. There will come a time when the government will move against their own people and they must be given a chance to survive. Every Christian knows there's a fight coming. Patterns of behavior don't lie. Even yours demonstrates that you are merely saying what people want to hear and you do what the Republican Party tells you to because that's how the game is played.

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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2010, 07:32:28 PM »
BTW, Representative Day. Before you accuse me of being delusional, Craig Schuld from Waynesville's Forney Field on the military side, already verified that a Blackhawk helicopter left from FLW bound for Jefferson City at about that same time. What was that bird doing over my farm, flying around other locations, including Turkey Ridge before flying toward Jeff City? Sight seeing tour or intimidation? Next, I'm going to find out what their mission was and if it was misappropriation, heads will roll. 

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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2010, 08:02:59 PM »
Rep Day, why should there be more restrictions on medicinal marijuana, than any other schedule 2 drug?  You can not overdose on marijuana, yet you can on aspirin (over the counter drug).  How many deaths are attributed to overdosing on marijuana?  How many deaths are attributed to other schedule 2 drugs?  Schedule 2 drugs have restrictions on refills, you are warned not to drive or operate machinery while under the influence of schedule 2 drugs (and other drugs, including over the counter), and schedule 2 drug patients are identified, via their medicine bottle (requirements as to name, address, etc.), issuance of medicine bottles, with the same requirements, could act as an "identification card" to help our PD identify patients.  After surgery, I've flown with narcotics, and HAD to have my medication in a medicine bottle, with all the required identification.

Percocet is a schedule 2 drug.  It is use to treat migraines, menstrual cramps, dental pain, etc.  I, personally, was given demerol as a pre-teen, on a monthly basis....for menstrual cramps.  Demerol is a schedule 2 drug.  The VA in Philadelphia administered it for menstrual cramps when I was in my early 20's.  Morphine patients regulate the use of their medication, within the restricted limits.  Why should medicinal marijuana be treated differently?  I do agree that where it can be smoked (as oppose to vaporization, or ingestion) should be regulated, due to second-hand smoke, as there are people who are allergic to marijuana, and some people find the odor of marijuana burning ,to be offensive to the sense of smell.  How many plants a patient can have, how much medicinal marijuana a patient can possess, should be part of the scheduling, as there are such restrictions on other schedule 2 drugs.  Where a person can purchase, or be issued medicinal marijuana, is no different than having such requirements on other schedule 2 drugs.  Where, and from whom, medicinal marijuana can be purchased is a concern, and does need to be addressed, as our Pharmacies are restricted due to Federal Law.

While the Legislators "debate" this issue, assign it to committee late, and insist on putting more restrictions on medicinal marijuana than any other schedule 2 drug, PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING needlessly.  YOUR constituents, are suffering.  Why?  I believe it's due to the old myths and miseducation concerning marijuana.

Concern over a worker using medicinal marijuana, should be no different than a worker using percocet, morphine, or any other schedule 2 drug on the job.  To make law abiding citizens SUFFER, because of such a concern is BOGUS.  Concern that some people will get medicinal marijuana for "ordinary headaches" is BOGUS.  Schedule 2 drugs are not used for "ordinary headaches".  Schedule 2 drugs are used for cluster headaches, migraines, etc., not for "ordinary headaches".  Have you ever seen the suffering of a person with cluster headaches?  I have, and it's NOT a pretty picture at all.

People who use marijuana recreationally ARE using it, and will continue to use it.  Law abiding citizens, in need of medicinal marijuana, are the only ones being hurt by our legislators dragging their feet.  Yes, our legislators ARE dragging their feet on this issue. 

Rep Day, WHY do you want more restrictions on medicinal marijuana than other schedule 2 drugs?

Each day that passes, and patients in need aren't afforded the RIGHT to ease their suffering with a natural medication (marijuana has PROVEN medicinal value in the United States) falls on the shoulders of our legislators.

I applaud you for being more receptive to the medicinal value of marijuana, but I feel you are not utilizing resources available to work out the details, to bring this medicine to those in need.  You have a wealth of knowledgeable people, within your reach, who can work out all the details, you need do nothing more, than to gather them together.


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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2010, 08:08:24 PM »
As an update: the Blackhawk was not doing a marijuana sweep. It wasn't testing new equipment. It wasn't carrying Representative Day or Congressman Skelton, the governor or anyone in particular. The national guard in Jeff City said they don't have a clue what it was doing. However, they didn't know that Fort Wood uses a Cessna with camera equipment for marijuana sweeps, but they do use a Huey helicopter for their drug sweeps. Seems primitive compared to the Blackhawk. Like mysterious minimum funding considering the budget they have. Representative Day, we live in a time when the feds claim they are enforcing illegal immigration and aren't. Then according to news reports, President Obama is silently going through employer records to find undocumented workers (sounds crazy - documents to find undocumented workers) and does it surprise you Sir, that no one trusts what you're doing?

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Kari - This may help with an understanding of how MJ became a schedule 1:

http://oneforall.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/16/2689896-did-the-us-government-revoke-the-tenth-amendment-to-criminalize-marijuana

Essentially, it was and always has been - the bo$$om line $$$$$$
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As a sidebar to the previous post, is it any wonder Patti Hearst was such a little demon???
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« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2010, 02:51:22 AM »
You must realize that by engaging in a healthy debate with our legislators and the fact that they surrender, makes me wonder how they'd hold up against a lobbyist. I've worked as a volunteer lobbyist in the past because it's illegal for people with good ideas, like a religion or herbal passion, to employ their own lobbyist. Essentially, I do favors for people and write letters. I get rid of stalkers and such. So far, I haven't gotten any favors back, but it might pay off some day. Anyway, marijuana is a winnable project because it's legal in so many other states and predictably they are taxing medical marijuana. Duh. That was kinda the point. Some studies say that marijuana pollen causes a lot of allergies, but in a comparison study with tobacco, people were more allergic to tobacco than marijuana pollen. I've also worked to try and get a grape farming project going with one of the jelly or juice companies to come in for collection and no one is interested. The University of Missouri blew me off. There are people in Missouri with the perfect ground for growing alternative crops and all the mainstream legislator wants to do is support cattle farming. In a few years, the Ozarks will be hungry for money from anywhere they can get it. This economy is going to get worse and once the troops are brought home, perhaps personnel will get shifted around. Legislators better be thinking of the long term instead of just playing the game to get reelected.

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« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2010, 12:01:12 AM »
Just wondering, but of all the countries in the world, I would think that the US is both in the MOST need of having legal marijuana and the one that would probably suffer the MOST from it.  This country needs a middle ground: one week a year, its legal.  And nobody has to work. 
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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2010, 12:59:16 AM »
Who is this justcallmelater guy?  ***(((*
 
 
Representative Day, is it just a coincidence that we are having this discussion and suddenly today at 10:30 a.m., there is a military Blackhawk helicopter hovering over my home doing a marijuana scan?\

 
BTW, Representative Day. Before you accuse me of being delusional, Craig Schuld from Waynesville's Forney Field on the military side, already verified that a Blackhawk helicopter left from FLW bound for Jefferson City at about that same time. What was that bird doing over my farm, flying around other locations, including Turkey Ridge before flying toward Jeff City? Sight seeing tour or intimidation? Next, I'm going to find out what their mission was and if it was misappropriation, heads will roll. 

 
It isn't delusional to see a helicopter fly over your house. It isn't delusional to think the helicopter is scanning for marijuana. It is delusional, however, to assume said helicopter was sent by local State Representative David Day for intimidation purposes because you were a dick to him on a public forum by revealing details from private emails the two of you exchanged years ago.
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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2010, 08:14:56 PM »
You know, marijuana makes you paranoid.. Just saying..

I was thinking the same thing. Probably was hiding in the closet while typing all that too.

Anyway justcallmelater as for your last post...

No i dont think he is backing down and that its a bad sign. He is an elected official for the people of the 148th district. He isnt backing down. He is listening to those people who elected him into his position for that reason. I take it as a good thing that he is 1...on this local site to share news from the state with us and 2...to listen to ideas and questions we have.







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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2010, 08:50:25 PM »
Thanks Dave (and others).  I don't feel I am backing down at all, if folks want an elected official that never changes their mind or moves on an issue, then make sure you only elect ones that are perfect the first time.  Turns out, I am not perfect and everyday learn there is more to almost every issue out there than I thought.  Sometimes during discussions I learn something, sometimes who I am visiting with gets a point of view from me they had not thought of. 

As far as lobbyist, I believe my record speaks for itself in the capitol when voting for the district instead of what a lobbyist might want.

As I said, on this issue I am more open to getting something worked out than I was when first elected because of learning more about it.

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Re: Medicinal marijuana
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2010, 06:38:21 PM »
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