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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2010, 09:04:03 PM »

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Those are good questions.

I did not mean to imply that the Pulaski County Jail houses only violent inmates.

What I have been told by law enforcement in both Pulaski County and in Dixon is that the Dixon City Jail is supposed to be used only for housing non-violent county inmates. If that is not true, or if it has changed, I would like to be corrected.

My understanding is that the Pulaski County Jail can house a maximum of 28 inmates, and that number can be less because for obvious reasons you can't have women and men in the same cells, and sometimes people must be separated or held in solitary cells for evidentiary or other classification reasons. When more inmates than allowed are there, the problem has to be taken care of ASAP by a prisoner transport, but that may take some time -- hence the mattresses on the floor, etc.

Again, if I am wrong, please correct me.

Darrell, 1st & above all I would happily pay my 1/2 cent tax for a new jail of which we need very badly. Heck I would help build it if I could. The Pulaski Co. Jail is a nightmare that needs to be changed. But what I'm wondering is where you got your information that only violent criminals are housed there. Also where did you find out that they only house 24 inmates at a time? They have contraptions they call boats & put 3 inmates per cell, I believe that makes 36 & sometimes more are in the jail. Now I'm not saying that this is a good thing because they have to be put somewhere. Now on the otherhand you also said that Dixon Jail only houses our non-violent offenders. I for one know that this is not true & if you were to check the records of the last year you would find that Pulaski Co Jail has sent violent offenders to Dixon. To me this doesn't matter either as long as they are taken care of as needed {guarded} & I have heard of no escapes from Dixon for sometime. From what I understand the head jailer makes the decision on who goes to Dixon & all other jails.
So now is my other question, who told you that inmates are treated as innocent until proven guilty? Many inmates of Pulaski Co. Jail have waited months to prove their innocence just to end up cutting a "Deal" so they could get out. If you were to spend a week-end there you might think about the "Deal" before spending another night there. Do you believe that if your innocent they are going to give you your money back for bail, job loss, family & home loss. That's not happening & the fact is that in Pulaski Co. Jail you are guilty until proven innocent. Now I do understand that most are guilty & separating the two is impossible, but as you said this is a holding facility & what happens when you are innocent? Maybe JB can answer that one? Something else that may be interesting is how many non-violent offenders have been housed in the last year & how long have they been there or wherever they have been shipped to. I'm talking about driving revoked, non payment of child support, possesion of marijuana ect... Not manufacturing of meth, felony DWI's, sales of illegal drugs & all other violent crimes. Our system needs work & it needs to start with our jail & our courts, but hopefully the next election will take care of half that problem.
Darell, I think your a great reporter & an asset to Pulaski Co., I also believe we all need to get together & get this 1/2 cent tax passed so we can have a jail that houses more than needed & maybe then the innocent won't be scared into making plea deals & the guilty will be sent to where they belong.
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2010, 09:09:09 PM »
Thanks JB
 
The reason I ask is because I had someone tell me it was like 50-55 to house them in our jail and around 30 in another jail. I just thought if that was right, it would not be cost effective at all to build a new jail. But I must have got misinformed.
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2010, 09:25:33 PM »
Those are good questions.

I did not mean to imply that the Pulaski County Jail houses only violent inmates.

What I have been told by law enforcement in both Pulaski County and in Dixon is that the Dixon City Jail is supposed to be used only for housing non-violent county inmates. If that is not true, or if it has changed, I would like to be corrected.

My understanding is that the Pulaski County Jail can house a maximum of 28 inmates, and that number can be less because for obvious reasons you can't have women and men in the same cells, and sometimes people must be separated or held in solitary cells for evidentiary or other classification reasons. When more inmates than allowed are there, the problem has to be taken care of ASAP by a prisoner transport, but that may take some time -- hence the mattresses on the floor, etc.

Again, if I am wrong, please correct me.



 Mostly correct. Last week by court order we sent an inmate to Dixon as part of a court case that we did not want to go there. But not our choice. On law days we house what we are forced to house and that number can get quite high. Hence the "boats" we bought for the floor. We hold a wide variety of crimes at any given time and they are not all violent cases.

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2010, 09:45:13 PM »
I do not believe we have had anyone post any opposition to the need of the jail or deputies, so I do not think anyone needs to get their crappie reel all knotted up (PC terminology). I would hope that any tax be specifically earmarked for LE use only, and not for additional revenues to subsidize the other entities in the County.
 
An exception to this would to also help fund the Prosecuting Attorney's office for additional staff to litigate more cases and run em up the flag pole. The PC should also be an integral part of funding with the LE tax as well as the jail and PCSD. No sunset clause need. Just keeping the Commissioners fingers out of the pie.

I would stick with one plan and forget about presenting an option B, C, D, etc. Just muddies up the water. Remember, for every 10 questions raised here, there will several hundred of the same questions asked elsewhere. If it is going to be brought before the citizenry, I would start the public PR campaign now in earnest, and have every possible answer to any potential questions asked. No matter how transparent you are and forthcoming, you will have that faction that you can never please.

Lay it all out for the public to see and discuss. Needs, deficiencies,facts, purpose, scope, costs (short-term and long-term), staffing goals, pro's and cons. Wear down the opposition with facts and figures, and what will happen under the current status quo. Get the cities throughout the County on the band wagon, and hit the nay-sayers right where it hurts. With the facts and the truth.

Make the Commissioners ----- or get off the pot, and put them on the spot now. Especially before the General Election in November. Find out the opposing candidates view on the matter and get it stated publicly. No more fence straddling by the holders of the purse strings. Lead, follow, or go home!

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2010, 02:20:05 PM »
mikrzy55,
 
I noticed you wrote, "I'm talking about driving revoked, non payment of child support, possesion of marijuana ect... Not manufacturing of meth, felony DWI's, sales of illegal drugs & all other violent crimes."
 
what is the difference between someone who is possessing marijuana and someone who is manufacturing meth? I guess the question I have is why is marijuana seen as an "okay" drug when the others are seen as "bad" drugs?
Jeff I was talking about violent, versus non-violent & meth users & manufacturers are a violent breed. Ask any officer which they would believe to be most unstable & hands down you will hear meth heads have a tendency of becoming violent. Marijuana users are a more non-violent breed & have rarely heard of a pot head flying off the handle & trying to kill anyone. Most of the time if a pot head were to fly off the handle I would suspect other drugs or alcohol were in use too. Missouri is #1 in meth production again & the labs are very unsafe. The fumes can injure & possibly kill a person & meth heads leave them everywhere. I've yet to hear of someone getting killed from the smell of a marijuana plant or as I have heard them called, indoor labs. So this is the reason I put marijuana users as a non-violent offence. As long as marijuana is illegal they should be arrested just like meth users & manufacturers, but the charge should be lesser as I don't see the same problems with marijuana users as violent criminals as you do with meth users.

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2010, 04:45:06 AM »
Some states legalize the use of pot. I have yet to see the use of meth legalized. Think about it for a second. There is a difference.
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2010, 05:06:36 AM »
Pete I fully agree
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2010, 05:07:18 AM »
JB, I may be way off base on this suggestion, but have you thought about the old middle school building? It's already standing and the school board really doesn't know what they are going to do with it. I thought maybe the county could make an offer to the school board. I'm not saying to scratch the tax. I think we still need it, and I would be willing to pay 1/2 cent tax.

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2010, 12:45:06 PM »
JB, I may be way off base on this suggestion, but have you thought about the old middle school building? It's already standing and the school board really doesn't know what they are going to do with it. I thought maybe the county could make an offer to the school board. I'm not saying to scratch the tax. I think we still need it, and I would be willing to pay 1/2 cent tax.



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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2010, 09:42:32 PM »


    Black Mold, Black Mold, Black Mold, Not a good structure to try for. The location is OK just not the building.
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Black mold.... Sounds to me that would be an incentive to tell people to keep them out of jail.  Lol.  Would it not be cost effective , ie other than building a new jail, to just irradiate the mold and then renovate the building to the specs you need to have a jail that will meet the departments needs. And also the number of beds you mentioned,  is that a number that is there for future growth or will the jail need to be expanded shortly after it's built?

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2010, 10:12:25 PM »
Black mold.... Sounds to me that would be an incentive to tell people to keep them out of jail.  Lol.  Would it not be cost effective , ie other than building a new jail, to just irradiate the mold and then renovate the building to the specs you need to have a jail that will meet the departments needs. And also the number of beds you mentioned,  is that a number that is there for future growth or will the jail need to be expanded shortly after it's built?
It counts on the amount of stachybotrys (black mold) found.  I am an unfortunate victim of stachybotrys, from a house I had in Pa.  Remediation of stachybotrys is not a simple, or easy matter unless it is just a tiny amount that can be "bleached".  Even with that, you run the risk of spores going airborne and finding another damp, cellulose, breeding spot.  With remediation, you have to have a negative air pressure, and contamination suits/respirators.  It can be EXTREMELY costly.  I had to have my lower turbinates surgically removed, thanks to black mold, and am now a walking "mold detector".  It may well be much cheaper to build a new building!
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2010, 10:45:41 PM »
It counts on the amount of stachybotrys (black mold) found.  I am an unfortunate victim of stachybotrys, from a house I had in Pa.  Remediation of stachybotrys is not a simple, or easy matter unless it is just a tiny amount that can be "bleached".  Even with that, you run the risk of spores going airborne and finding another damp, cellulose, breeding spot.  With remediation, you have to have a negative air pressure, and contamination suits/respirators.  It can be EXTREMELY costly.  I had to have my lower turbinates surgically removed, thanks to black mold, and am now a walking "mold detector".  It may well be much cheaper to build a new building!
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2010, 11:58:37 PM »
I am in for in as long as all contractors to build the Jail are from Pulaski County,  and the contract services after it is built are local contractors.   I am a little tired of Out of County or State contract labor coming in and doing the jobs locals can do.

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2010, 12:08:07 AM »
I am in for in as long as all contractors to build the Jail are from Pulaski County,  and the contract services after it is built are local contractors.   I am a little tired of Out of County or State contract labor coming in and doing the jobs locals can do.
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2010, 01:51:00 AM »
Well just make sure you keep the prioners confined in the black mold maybe it will save tax dollars money in years to come. Maybe then they would think about breaking the law if there living conditons sucked!
 
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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2010, 03:52:44 AM »
The people working there, though...
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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2010, 02:00:47 PM »
Well just make sure you keep the prioners confined in the black mold maybe it will save tax dollars money in years to come. Maybe then they would think about breaking the law if there living conditons sucked!
 
Unfortunately, those same prisoners would have the right to sue for any injuries as a result of that incarceration.  The Constitution covers inhumane treatment.  I agree, if a person is convicted of a crime, they should not have all the comforts of home, but we also have to be careful not to violate our own laws in housing them.

On another note, I think it's awesome that Valor 7 has this forum to be able to get input from the community, AND took advantage of the opportunity!  Looks like we just may be getting a new jail...... 
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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2010, 03:22:04 PM »
What happened to the grant paid for by elimination of outsourcing prisoners and no new tax.  Plus you were going to make $1 million profit.   Now we need $2 million in tax.   That's a $3 million swing.   What happened?

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« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2010, 03:50:45 PM »
Just because a few  on here, are talking about a new jail in no way should imply we are getting a new jail.  A lot of things have to happen before it will even be considered.

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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2010, 11:27:18 PM »
Is there an answer in our future???????
 


Sorry did not see this Q. There never was a grant. The same money that is used each year to pay the inmate board bill was also supposed to be used to pay the jail building bill. I do not think that will work. I do not remember any plan that created a one million surplus for us.

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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2010, 12:21:14 AM »
  • By Alan L. Gerstenecker Waynesville Daily Guide Posted May 25, 2010 @ 04:40 PM- — Missouri is, after all, the Show-Me State. So, pardon Pulaski County Commissioners if they’re at least skeptical that a new county jail can be built without a tax increase.
    At Monday’s Pulaski County Commissioner’s meeting, Lawrence T. Goldberg, president of the St. Joseph, Mo., architectural Goldberg, Sullivan & McCrerey told commissioners a new county jail could be designed and built within 18 months without a tax increase.
    “It will take five or six months to design and year to build,” Goldberg told the trio during the second half of their meeting Monday.
    Goldberg, who came with blow-up floor plans, four charts and two assistants the county could build the 78-cell facility for $5.603 million.
    With the aid of figures provided by Sheriff J.B. King and other officials, Goldberg estimated the jail revenues at $1.08 million annually with expenses of $860,605 annually, leaving a budget surplus of $219,600

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« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2010, 12:39:51 AM »
  • By Alan L. Gerstenecker Waynesville Daily Guide Posted May 25, 2010 @ 04:40 PM- — Missouri is, after all, the Show-Me State. So, pardon Pulaski County Commissioners if they’re at least skeptical that a new county jail can be built without a tax increase.
    At Monday’s Pulaski County Commissioner’s meeting, Lawrence T. Goldberg, president of the St. Joseph, Mo., architectural Goldberg, Sullivan & McCrerey told commissioners a new county jail could be designed and built within 18 months without a tax increase.
    “It will take five or six months to design and year to build,” Goldberg told the trio during the second half of their meeting Monday.
    Goldberg, who came with blow-up floor plans, four charts and two assistants the county could build the 78-cell facility for $5.603 million.
    With the aid of figures provided by Sheriff J.B. King and other officials, Goldberg estimated the jail revenues at $1.08 million annually with expenses of $860,605 annually, leaving a budget surplus of $219,600

okay, but i see nothing about a grant, or 1 mil surplus.
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« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2010, 01:58:30 AM »
okay it was a loan not grant and where did the current $700000+ jail budget go

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« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2010, 07:00:12 PM »
okay it was a loan not grant and where did the current $700000+ jail budget go

2010 jail budget was set at $593,000.00
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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2010, 11:30:10 PM »
mikrzy55,
 
I noticed you wrote, "I'm talking about driving revoked, non payment of child support, possesion of marijuana ect... Not manufacturing of meth, felony DWI's, sales of illegal drugs & all other violent crimes."
 
what is the difference between someone who is possessing marijuana and someone who is manufacturing meth? I guess the question I have is why is marijuana seen as an "okay" drug when the others are seen as "bad" drugs?

How many people/kids have you heard or know of that have overdosed on marijuana...
Meth KILLS...Heroin KILLS...If they don't overdose from it, it takes thier soul. I hear what your asking. I believe Marijuana should be classified as a NON VIOLENT drug...no drug is a good choice. But, let the punishment fit the crime.

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2010, 12:38:01 AM »
How many people/kids have you heard or know of that have overdosed on marijuana...
Meth KILLS...Heroin KILLS...If they don't overdose from it, it takes thier soul. I hear what your asking. I believe Marijuana should be classified as a NON VIOLENT drug...no drug is a good choice. But, let the punishment fit the crime.

How many people/kids have you heard or know of that started out on marijuana and went on to more "violent" drugs? The bad part is the fact that the prescription drugs are the major problem right now. I hope I don't have to eat my words later in life, but people just need to get control of their kids. Put the fear of god into them and quit pussy footing around, thinking my kid would never do that!
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2010, 01:12:49 AM »
because people keep telling them how much money even puny looking plants are worth...
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2010, 07:44:53 AM »
Not likely but Im sure out of a million cases sometimes theres a bad apple. Count the cases of alcohol related violence and crime and compare the results with those solely on marijuana. then talk to me . Im waiting.
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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2010, 10:31:08 AM »
Not likely but Im sure out of a million cases sometimes theres a bad apple. Count the cases of alcohol related violence and crime and compare the results with those solely on marijuana. then talk to me . Im waiting.
Thank you! I couldn't agree more. JMO, but alcolhol is far worse than marijuana.

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Re: Debate Over a New Pulaski County Jail
« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2010, 12:47:29 PM »
So not sharing the pot they had just bought is what caused the action of severely injuring one, and then the one that was injured shot at the other one.  You can say what you want, but I know what happened.


For not sharing? Sounds like the sober person is the one that started the incident....
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