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Prescription Cold Meds
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Our illustrious Governor who seems to love the One, is now going to make it harder to get cold meds without seeing a Dr.  Think the lines to see a Dr. are long now?  WTF are they thinking up there in Jeff City?  this is bordering on insanity.  It is about CONTROL.  they already place the pseudoephedrine behind the counter.  If they are that worried, then perhaps they should require all pharmacies out there to be interlinked so people won't buy the max at one store and then go to another.
 
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-missouri-governor-wants-prescr-113010,0,1534044.story

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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 03:38:45 PM »
All someone has to do is Doctor hop and they can get as many meds as they want
It happens now and I agree with you - there should be a system in place where you pull up persons name and it shows all the doctors that are writing that script  for that person.

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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 03:50:14 PM »
It may not be a perfect system, but the two other states that made this into law have seen a major decrease in Meth Labs. Since we are still known as the meth capitol of the country, if this will help stop most of it, I say try it.
Trying to link the hundreds of stores all together would cost millions. Think of trying to get all the Walgreens, Wal-Martís, Country marts, Price Cutters, and the hundreds of other store all on one system. They would have to increase the cost of all their medical over the counter stuff to recoup what it would cost to set up such a system.
Yes, it will be a pain to get the meds, and no, it won't eliminate all of the meth labs, as there are some corrupt DR.s too, but if done correctly it should reduce them considerably without having to increase the cost to the honest consumer.
Like everything else, a few rotten eggs screw it up for the good apples, from Gun control to cold medicines.
 
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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 04:52:41 PM »
They need to put a a stop to the drug dealing doctors.
 
 
Our illustrious Governor who seems to love the One, is now going to make it harder to get cold meds without seeing a Dr.  Think the lines to see a Dr. are long now?  WTF are they thinking up there in Jeff City?  this is bordering on insanity.  It is about CONTROL.  they already place the pseudoephedrine behind the counter.  If they are that worried, then perhaps they should require all pharmacies out there to be interlinked so people won't buy the max at one store and then go to another.
 
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-missouri-governor-wants-prescr-113010,0,1534044.story

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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 05:34:39 PM »
For those who do not have insurance this make it impossible to get cold medicines.

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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 06:39:54 PM »
Looks like the computer linking is already taking place and started in September. 

http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-governor-nixon-proposes-prescr-113010,0,6066339.story

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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 06:59:01 PM »
Screw your governor, he's an idiot! (can I say that??)
Give the electronic database time to work.  And if you're a cop who thinks the only way to stop Meth is by requiring a script then you need to find a new job.... try politics.
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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 07:10:13 PM »
If the linking is used correctly, LE should be able to at least have reasonable suspicion, if not probable cause to pick someone up after they get a hit on a person or persons buying the stuff in max quantity at different stores.  Our governor is suffering from mental illness in the form of extreme liberalism.

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 07:14:16 PM »
If the linking is used correctly, LE should be able to at least have reasonable suspicion, if not probable cause to pick someone up after they get a hit on a person or persons buying the stuff in max quantity at different stores.  Our governor is suffering from mental illness in the form of extremem liberalism.

I have to disagree, MN...  YOUR governor is suffering from having shit for brains.  He's a lying, puppet trying to get from JC to DC.  I despise him more than I do any other elected official, just hearing his name makes me want to puke.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 07:24:48 PM »
He is not MY F-ing governor.  We need to get that straight now.  I have to agree he is an idiot.

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 08:00:17 PM »
He is not MY F-ing governor.  We need to get that straight now.  I have to agree he is an idiot.

ROFLMAO
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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 08:10:54 PM »
Me too.  Knew you were yanking my chain.

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Re: Prescription Cold Meds
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 08:11:33 PM »
Let me ask a question: When was the last time you were able to get in to see a doctor within the week of calling for an appointment?  People go doctor-hopping all the time so they can get multiple scripts for narcotics already, just so they can be stoned all the time, share with the family, and sell them.  What makes these governmental idiots think this isn't going to happen with pseudoephedrine?  Worse yet- many many of these people are flashing their Medicaid card as payment!  So what's actually going to be happing, is WE'RE going to wind up paying for the ingredients for meth labs!  AND it's going to make it harder on LEOs since, rather than finding a bunch of packs of ephedrine/psuedoephedrine with other ingredients, and using the "you have all the makings of a meth lab here," they'll have to somehow take into account that this person has a PRESCRIPTION for all this medication.  Kind of like, you can't go into someone's house, find 10 bottles of vicodin, and call it intent to sell when they have prescriptions for all 10 bottles.  They won't be able to call 10 bottles of PRESCRIBED pseudoephedrine-containing meds "intent to manufacture."
Another issue- how long do you wait at the ER now?  Now think of all the extra people who will be going there just to get rid of a cold/flu! The ERs are already swamped this time of year for that reason, but it'll be multiplied several times over when people realize the only way to see a doctor to get the meds within a reasonable amount of time (by that, I mean within the week), is to go to the ER. 
Now, someone please tell me how exactly this brilliant idea by someone who sits behind a desk thinking of ways to get a pat on the back is actually going to benefit us?   :poke:

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 08:39:20 PM »
Don't hold back Medicm.  I work within the medical field too and see this day in and day out.  Rhetoric questions as the future ex-governor will never come up with satisfactory answers.  He has to support Obamacare you know.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 09:38:52 PM »
I have to agree with this laws thinking to a point. Sorry but we have tooooooo much of a meth lab problem and we need to find ways to cut that back big time. There are plenty of cold and allergy meds you can use that these meth heads cant make meth with. Unfortunately welcome to the world these days where other people screw up our rights to anything anymore. The electronic tracking is good, but the pharmacists have to go through it and track and catch and call in when they see somethin. I think the tracking idea vs the script idea is both gonna have the same affect after they give tracking time so i say leave the tracking the way it is now and give it time to work. They need to push to make sure these pharmacists really track hardcore and turn in any little thing they catch and not let anything slide.







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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 10:33:15 PM »
Was not aware that there was an electronic tracking system already in place. If it works then let it go. But if down the line if it does not work, then look to change the law.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 10:38:30 PM »
Was not aware that there was an electronic tracking system already in place. If it works then let it go. But if down the line if it does not work, then look to change the law.

They just put it into play a couple months ago so they havent seen if it works or not. Their thing is that with the other states with tracking, its been hit and miss. Its worked in some states and not so much in others. What they seen was 2 states have made it script only and one state it said seen over a 60% difference since they done it a couple months ago. All i know is we gotta do somethin.







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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 10:54:09 PM »
I have been away from a computer all day but I did want to let folks know where I am at this point on this issue.  Please remember though, nothing has been written (that I am aware of) as far as legislation so I am making the comments without actually knowing the details of what the Gov. wants.

Personally I feel we need to let the tracking legislation have a chance, there are still bugs being worked out in it.  I also feel that if his idea becomes law there are two things we can count on, the cost of the meds going up and fewer people that really need them getting them.  At this time, again...without knowing the details, I am leaning very strongly against supporting this idea.

Of course, by some that don't care for me I will then be called "pro-meth lab".  Oh well, as is politics.

Just wanted to let you know where I am at this point.  Appreciate all of your comments on this issue, it is an important one and I am sure one the Governor will be hanging his hat on big time this session.

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 11:18:57 PM »
Thank you for your common sense approach, David!
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2010, 12:05:09 AM »
To me its nice to see that at least they are trying to come up with ideas. Not all ideas will work and some need more work before it will. Im not trying to actually compare the exact two but to me take out the constitutional rights and this problem in missouri is a lot like guns. You have so many people that wanna use the item for all the right reasons. Unfortunately these days too many more people wanna use it for all the wrong reasons and that number grows everyday. Its gotta be hard trying to balance whats best for us here in missouri because when its a problem as big as this, its gonna piss people off no matter what you do.

I say give electronic tracking a year and compare results. If it works, stay with it. If it doesnt, then take a much harder stance even if it pisses people off. I would rather see people pissed off because its harder to get than to see another 16 year old get addicted to meth.







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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2010, 04:17:11 AM »
I agree with evaluating the electronic database after a year.  But if it doesn't work or work as well as intended, it should be fixed/tweeked (pun intended) instead of discarded because in addition to causing medical costs and wait times, prescription-only pseudoephedrine will cause more people to get sick because more sick people that can't get into their doctor that day or next day will be in ER waiting rooms coughing and sneezing on healthy and injured-only patients and family members.  This, combined with the pseudoephedrine-subsitutes, such as the OTC Sudafed PE, that do not work, will also cause more lost days from work.
 
The same logic that says prescription-only pseudoephedrine is good also says that getting rid of motorcycles or cars is good so no one gets hurt riding them or riding in them.
 
Where are the parents of the 16 year olds using meth?  :angry_copy(1): Where were they when the kids were 15, 14, 13, 12, 11...?  A kid doesn't try meth out of the blue without some issues or symptoms of issues appearing before...
 
Why isn't DARE preventing this?  :angry_copy(1): 
 
I think it is time for some grant money or stimulus funding for the Sheriff's Department for more meth detection and eradication...  ;D