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What is Wrong with Our AG?
« on: February 01, 2011, 12:00:17 AM »

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Re: What is Wrong with Our AG?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 01:31:29 AM »
That is a question for the AG, both the House and Senate have passed official Resolutions asking him to, but his is the position that must do it.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 02:11:20 AM »
He and the Governor have it in for this state I guess.  They just can't get past the glare of the light spread by the big O. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 06:27:28 PM »
I have a "long-shot" political theory and to make it work the AG has to join the lawsuit...or at least that is the most likely way.  I would not doubt he will join it within the next 2 weeks or so.  Time will tell.

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2011, 02:14:54 AM »
Looking like my "long shot" idea might not be such a long shot.  I am told the AG will be joining the lawsuit in a few weeks.  We will see if it is true, but I am sure it is.

Interesting things going on in JC.

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2011, 09:47:19 AM »
Hell yeah its unconstitutional. We need affordable and equal healthcare.......Not expensive and who has money gets it and the rest dont. Too many folks die simply because they cant afford to live..........Shouldnt be that way.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 12:02:48 AM »
I have a "long-shot" political theory and to make it work the AG has to join the lawsuit...or at least that is the most likely way.  I would not doubt he will join it within the next 2 weeks or so.  Time will tell.

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Took a little longer than I thought it would, but looks like what I thought was going to happen is going to.  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/us/politics/12missouri.html?_r=2&hpw   

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Re: What is Wrong with Our AG?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 03:55:43 AM »
Question. If it unconstitutional to make someone buy health insurance, how can they make us buy auto insurance?

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Re: What is Wrong with Our AG?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 04:12:14 AM »
Question. If it unconstitutional to make someone buy health insurance, how can they make us buy auto insurance?
Chas there not making you buy It, They are just making sure you don't drive without It.
But if you want you can still get sick without health care.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 04:22:52 AM »
You can drive without insurance. Just don't get caught, kinda like don't get sick. There is going to be a high price to pay either way.

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Re: What is Wrong with Our AG?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 09:50:58 AM »
What Maynard posted is the situation.  Driving is a privilege that must be earned (by passing a test) and a part of that privilege is the requirement to have insurance.  It is also an option, I have friends who live in large cities that have never had or needed a drivers license who are in their 30s.  The same can't be said for health insurance, if you are going to be alive you are required to have it.  That is the argument.

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 11:42:50 AM »
Has car insurance always been a requriement? It may be I don't know. So driving is a privilage but going to the doctor isn't.  Wearing seatbelts have not always been law. There are things government can and does require people to do have. I'm not saying that the bill is the  right way to handle it but we do need something. It should be better then a person loses everything. Until this goes the US Supreme Court there will not be a answer.

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2011, 12:02:36 PM »
Mandatory car insurance in Missouri went into effect probably about 12-15 years ago (working from memory but I think something like that).

The bottom line is Chas, according to the argument against the Health Care Bill, the government does not have the right to mandate you buy a product.  You can live without driving, if you want to drive you decide to buy the product (car ins).  Wearing seatbelts is not a purchase, that is a safety requirement and in MO not even a primary law.  It’s also worth noting that if your car is old enough that it is not equipped with seatbelts, you are not required to install them or use them.

You can go to the doctor without health insurance, going to the doctor does not require insurance be bought, only payment for the service.  You also have the right to decide to go or not go…another decision the individual can make. 

The Health Care Bill, according to those that make this argument, requires you to buy a product if you are alive, that is unlike any other government requirement for living that I am aware of.  We all decide not to do things because of cost, to some that might be driving...but there is no way around the health care bill expense.  Many question that if the government can require you to buy health insurance, then what can they require you to buy next, a fair question since we all know that no matter what party is running federal government, it almost never gets less intrusive.

I am not going to get in a debate about the issue, this may be something that folks want to contact the AG’s Office about if they are upset, I am just saying that is the argument against it and why there is a difference between this requirement and others that many compare to it.
 
Lastly Chas you are correct...the courts will make the final decision on this.  I think the AG's move on this has little to do with the Health Care issue and more about his future, which is what I said in my first post on this.  It was a longshot theory but this had to happen for it to come true, I think folks will know what this is all about in coming months, and it might surprise a few.

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Re: What is Wrong with Our AG?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2011, 09:18:29 PM »
Has car insurance always been a requriement? It may be I don't know. So driving is a privilage but going to the doctor isn't.  Wearing seatbelts have not always been law. There are things government can and does require people to do have. I'm not saying that the bill is the  right way to handle it but we do need something. It should be better then a person loses everything. Until this goes the US Supreme Court there will not be a answer.
Missouri has a "financial responsibilty requirement" You do not have to have "car insurance" You have to have proof of financial responsibility. This could be a cash bond to show financial responsibility.
The Health Care bill requires one to have "insurance."
Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and others don't need "health insurance" they have the $$$ to pay for their medical care. That's why this "Obamacare" as some call it is wrong.
That's the way I understand it.

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2011, 01:33:54 AM »
In July of 1798, Congress passed – and President John Adams signed - “An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.” The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance. 

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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2011, 09:45:41 AM »
Again, I am not debating it, that will be the job of the AG but I suspect they will say the difference is, you were not required to be a "privately employed sailor", so it was not a requirement of all citizens as the current Health Care Law is.  It was a requirement of doing that job which citizens had the right to choose to do or not do.

The current bill requires the purchase of health insurance no matter who you are, what you do, where you live, etc... if  you are an American citizen and are alive, you must have the product.  That I suspect will be the difference to the ones making the case against the bill.

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2011, 03:45:48 PM »
If your seaman is disabled, you probably need health insurance.
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2011, 01:27:24 AM »
I was pointing out that they can require a person to by insurance. As I said early until this goes to the supreme court we wont have a answer.  The government can require people to by insurance as the price of doing business. Why  not require people to buy insurance as the price of you may get sick. Truth be told I'm not a 100 % behind the bill but something should be done about insurance that it doesn't cost the same as a nice house payment. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2011, 01:34:49 AM »
I was pointing out that they can require a person to by insurance. As I said early until this goes to the supreme court we wont have a answer.  The government can require people to by insurance as the price of doing business. Why  not require people to buy insurance as the price of you may get sick. Truth be told I'm not a 100 % behind the bill but something should be done about insurance that it doesn't cost the same as a nice house payment.
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