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Why We Should Fear the Moslem Brother(Chilling information) ^| January 31, 2011 | Karin McQullin

As we follow the unfolding story in Egypt, we are torn between hope and fear -- hope that democracy will gain a toehold and fear that the fundamentalist Moslem Brothers could take control of Egypt. Perhaps you have heard the Moslem Brothers are the oldest and largest radical Islamic group, the grandfather of Hezbollah, Hamas, and al-Qaeda.   What you haven't been told is this: the Moslem Brothers were a small, unpopular group of anti-modern fanatics unable to attract members, until they were adopted by Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich beginning in the 1930s. Under the tutelage of the Third Reich, the Brothers started the modern jihadi movement, complete with a genocidal program against Jews. In the words of Matthias Kuntzel, "[t]he significance of the Brotherhood to Islamism is comparable to that of the Bolshevik Party to communism: It was and remains to this day the ideological reference point and organizational core for all later Islamist groups, including al-Qaeda and Hamas."

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Re: the egypt mess
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 03:44:05 PM »
Fish is absolutely right. There is a close linkage between Nazi Germany, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and the rise of the modern Islamic movement.

Prior to the foundation of the state of Israel, many Middle Eastern countries had sizeable Jewish minorities, which, because of a quite correct and biblical emphasis within Orthodox Judaism on the importance of literacy, education, and financial frugality, had come to a level of importance in the business and even government affairs of number of Middle Eastern countries all out of proportion to their small percentage of the population.

"Court Jews" existed far back into the early part of the Muslim rule of the Middle East. While it's true that development long predated the post-Ottoman colonization of North Africa by the French (Algeria), Italians (Libya) and British (Egypt) and of the division of what are now Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria into separate French and British control, as well as the effective subordination of Iran and Saudi Arabia to Western commercial interests, colonial and commercial interests combined to greatly elevate the role of educated Jewish commercial classes in both business and government life throughout the pre-World War II world of the Middle East.

We sometimes forget that many of the earliest battles of World War II were fought in North Africa when the German generals under Rommel tried to break through Egypt to reach the Suez Canal and the oil fields of the Middle East. Conquest and pacification of the Middle East was crucial to the long-term success of Hitler's ambitions; he knew he could not win World War II without an uninterrupted source of fuel. In those days the United States was still a massive producer of petroleum and was self-sufficient, but control of the Middle East would have given Hitler the ability to prosecute his war against the Soviet Union and Britain pretty much as long as necessary to win.

Hitler believed that by using the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who had been expelled from his post by the British due to radical anti-Western sentiments, he could harness the ancient anti-Jewish roots of anti-Semitism that are inherent in Islam, combine it with jealousy against Jewish success, and turn it into a virulent anti-Western drive that would not only destroy Jewish communities in the Middle East but also destabilize colonial governments and make the local populations look to Nazi Germany as a liberator from Western powers.

The creation of the state of Israel, combined with decolonization, resulted in huge explusions or voluntary emigrations of Jewish residents of other Middle Eastern countries to Israel. While Hitler obviously failed in his efforts to rule Europe and the world, the anti-Jewish propaganda he unleashed in the Middle East was largely successful in leading the post-colonial governments of Middle Eastern countries to take aggressive and often violent actions to rid themselves of their Jewish populations.

The United States has been a backer of Israel since its founding. (I happen to believe that''s a major part of the reason for American success in the post-World War II world, but my theology is not especially relevant to my main point here.) The United States has also been an advocate of democracy and decolonization. The result, unfortunately, has been that democratic governments, when elected, have often turned out to be run by radical Islamic fundamentalists. That has put the United States in the difficult position of having to back dictatorial, authoritarian, and even monarchical regimes since the democratic alternative would be anti-American and anti-Israeli governments.

The reigns of monarchs like the King of Saudi Arabia and the Shah of Iran, as well as authoritarian rulers like Anwar Sadat and Hosni Mubarak in Egypt who followed Nasser in replacing the traditional monarchy of Egypt with the forms of a democracy without real elections, are quite different in many ways. What they all share is a real fear of the power of Islamic fundamentalism that has led them to back America despite its support for Israel, in the face of major opposition from their own people.

Democracy in Saudi Arabia will lead to a radical Wahabbist theocracy. We've already seen what happened when the Shah of Iran fell. Egypt is somewhat different because it has a long history of secular governments, a significant Christian minority with prominent governmental roles, and a fairly well-educated middle class. Unfortunately, the same could be said of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and it is not at all clear that having high educational standards and a history of toleration of religious minorities is enough to prevent the takeover of Islamic radicals once a powerful ruler is removed from power.
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Re: the egypt mess
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 06:17:50 PM »
there are more critical items to watch. the suez canal could be closed, greatly slowing the flow of oil. There is no doubt Israel is in increased danger of attack. Iran may have more of a nuclear capability than they say(surprise) El Baradei is not an improvement over mubarek. He is a stooge for iran and has said in recent interviews he doesn't believe iran is actually producing nuclear weapons. this virus is spreading, jordan's got rid of his cabinet and . there is unrest in tunisia, a synogogue was burned. There are many far reaching consequences to what is going on. but an interesting question is how much nobama knew before this happened and what did he do ? Egypt used to be a key ally, will that continue?

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2011, 07:03:24 PM »
What's more pathetic is our governments refusel to open up the exploration doors on oil, shale, and natural gas.  Thus far, wind is solar power is all that's tossed around.  I'm sorry, but wind and solar won't power a big rig to get goods to the market.  I wonder how many will run out and buy a Chevy Volt which gets 90 miles per charge?  Another government / GM failure...........

It appears that the middle east has us over a barrel and there's not a damn thing we can do about it.  Government intervention and inaction is what will eventually bring us to our knees.

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2011, 10:10:57 PM »
those electric cars are almost useless in this weather. the batteries run down faster. and what happens when you are in backed up traffic and the battery goes dead?

It makes absolutly no sense to not increase drilling here. especially with unemployment at 9.4 %. being more energy independent increases our security.

nobama simply does not care about the american people.

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 01:11:40 AM »
I sometimes wonder if our elected officials suffer from A.D.D. as a result of being media driven from one crisis to the next.  I've definitely had some brain farts over the years but clearly remember the Arab Oil Embargo of 73, gas lines of 79, gas at $4.00 in 08, etc. etc. etc.  We never seem to remain focused or committed to solutions until a crisis becomes a nightmare.  This situation in Egypt makes me wonder how much progress has been made with regard to our "comprehensive" energy strategy?  T. Boone Pickens has stated over and over that we could save an enormous amount of oil by systematically converting our big rig fleet to natural gas.  Have we pursued further natural gas exploration?  I suspect not. 

We clearly have an abundance of natural gas reserves but continue to make The U.A.E. rich by importing gas on massive LNG ships. 

We really need to WAKE UP and quit living in a world of HOPE and FANTASY.

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 02:20:01 AM »
the problem is we know the problems and potential solutions. I would like to see the folks in dc make that same connection.