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For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 12:05:36 AM »
John Wayne said it best, "I may not have voted for him, but he is MY President

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 12:30:24 AM »
Are you kidding me?  YOu must not read much news.  Operation Fast and Furious  (BATFE) is the one responsible for that under the watchful eye of Obama and Holder.  The government is the one running guns, not innocent civilians.  Most civilians don't have access to fully automatic weapons.  Get informed.
 
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/05/breaking-story-memorial-day-present-for.html
 
 

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2011, 01:12:56 AM »
Are you kidding me?  YOu must not read much news.  Operation Fast and Furious  (BATFE) is the one responsible for that under the watchful eye of Obama and Holder.  The government is the one running guns, not innocent civilians.  Most civilians don't have access to fully automatic weapons.  Get informed.
 
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/05/breaking-story-memorial-day-present-for.html
  I read plenty.  I just dont waste my time reading or listening to CRAP news sites like fox and this other link above here.
   all i did was read what you posted and commented on exactly what it said.   they want to make it harder for drug runners and cartels from getting our guns by keeping a eye on the states that border mexico by keeping a eye on those who want to by large quantities of guns.  like fox you make up a headline that wants us to believe Obama is trying to take our guns away but in fact he is trying to make sure that OUR guns are not used against US.
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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2011, 02:02:07 AM »
He wants stronger gun control which means control of the serfs.  Under the radar mean anything to you?  That means people (the majority) are not going to go along with his socialization program.  All that needs to be done is to enforce the unconstitutional laws already on the books.  And he is practicing plausible deniability regarding the gun runner scandal.  His administration is responsible for guns going to Mexico, NOT the citizens of the country, unless you count official government agencies as citizens.  And I guess CRAP websites are those which disagree with the socialist and obama agenda.  one in the same.
 
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/robert-farago/obama-on-atf-gunwalker-scandal-i-didnt-know-about-smuggled-guns/
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml
 
http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/03/03/2095/atf-let-hundreds-us-weapons-fall-hands-suspected-mexican-gunrunners
 
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/operation-fast-and-furious-needs-to-be-a-bigger-story/
 
Gun control
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2011, 03:03:39 AM »
He wants stronger gun control which means control of the serfs.  Under the radar mean anything to you?  That means people (the majority) are not going to go along with his socialization program.  All that needs to be done is to enforce the unconstitutional laws already on the books.  And he is practicing plausible deniability regarding the gun runner scandal.  His administration is responsible for guns going to Mexico, NOT the citizens of the country, unless you count official government agencies as citizens.  And I guess CRAP websites are those which disagree with the socialist and obama agenda.  one in the same.
 
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/robert-farago/obama-on-atf-gunwalker-scandal-i-didnt-know-about-smuggled-guns/
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml
 
http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/03/03/2095/atf-let-hundreds-us-weapons-fall-hands-suspected-mexican-gunrunners
 
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/operation-fast-and-furious-needs-to-be-a-bigger-story/
 
Gun control
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/

I'm sorry but...


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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2011, 03:41:05 AM »
He wants stronger gun control which means control of the serfs.  Under the radar mean anything to you?  That means people (the majority) are not going to go along with his socialization program.  All that needs to be done is to enforce the unconstitutional laws already on the books.  And he is practicing plausible deniability regarding the gun runner scandal.  His administration is responsible for guns going to Mexico, NOT the citizens of the country, unless you count official government agencies as citizens.  And I guess CRAP websites are those which disagree with the socialist and obama agenda.  one in the same.
 
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/robert-farago/obama-on-atf-gunwalker-scandal-i-didnt-know-about-smuggled-guns/
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml
 
http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/03/03/2095/atf-let-hundreds-us-weapons-fall-hands-suspected-mexican-gunrunners
 
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/operation-fast-and-furious-needs-to-be-a-bigger-story/
 
Gun control
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/
Nope, Crap websites are those that post crap...and advertisments.    The figure people will stay up most the evening reading such crap that they just as well make a lil money off of it too
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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2011, 07:00:42 AM »
I just don't believe you folks that won't pay attention to what is happening to our country. Eather you are serious gun controle freaks or stupid. I don't know. I do know our government is going under the so called radar to limit our rights. Like it or not it is happening now. Don't pull the dam rug over your head and say Baaaaaa. The next thing they go after might be something closer to your likings. Who told Brady's wife that we were working on gun control under the radar. Liston to what the man is saying. If that's what you really want, hope you like the 30 plus min. wait for a deputy to stop the guy breaking into your home. The phone or internet won't be much help when you are alone with a dam dirt bad trying to get your stuff.
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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2011, 07:34:19 AM »
I just don't believe you folks that won't pay attention to what is happening to our country. Eather you are serious gun controle freaks or stupid. I don't know. I do know our government is going under the so called radar to limit our rights. Like it or not it is happening now. Don't pull the dam rug over your head and say Baaaaaa. The next thing they go after might be something closer to your likings. Who told Brady's wife that we were working on gun control under the radar. Liston to what the man is saying. If that's what you really want, hope you like the 30 plus min. wait for a deputy to stop the guy breaking into your home. The phone or internet won't be much help when you are alone with a dam dirt bad trying to get your stuff.
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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 01:39:09 PM »
I just don't believe you folks that won't pay attention to what is happening to our country. Eather you are serious gun controle freaks or stupid. I don't know. I do know our government is going under the so called radar to limit our rights. Like it or not it is happening now. Don't pull the dam rug over your head and say Baaaaaa. The next thing they go after might be something closer to your likings. Who told Brady's wife that we were working on gun control under the radar. Liston to what the man is saying. If that's what you really want, hope you like the 30 plus min. wait for a deputy to stop the guy breaking into your home. The phone or internet won't be much help when you are alone with a dam dirt bad trying to get your stuff.

I just don't believe that you folks will listen to every bit of fear mongering tripe Fox News throws out.  I just can't believe that you folks would take people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh seriously, and not only that, let them inform your world view.

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2011, 01:55:17 PM »
and california is planning to release 40,000 prison inmates in the next two years to ease overcrowding. where will they go? will other states follow suit?

it is a choice to be armed, for self defense. if you want to put your trust in nobama, make sure your next of kin know.

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2011, 02:08:36 PM »
and california is planning to release 40,000 prison inmates in the next two years to ease overcrowding. where will they go? will other states follow suit?

it is a choice to be armed, for self defense. if you want to put your trust in nobama, make sure your next of kin know.

So wait.  It's important to you that the government not take Americans guns (which, by the way, is just more of that fear mongering I mentioned and is not based in reality) but it's okay to you that prisoners in California's Constitutional rights are violated daily?  The Supreme Court rules that overcrowding is causing cruel and unusual punishment and it's violating the 8th Amendment, but that's fine, JUST TAKE MY GUNS!

Seriously, if you're gonna be a Tea-Partyin', Fox News groupie, you can't just pick which constitutional amendments you like and push for those, get on a message board and rail on the government for taking your guns, and then in the same breath rail on the government for protecting a Constitutional right for someone else.  Just shows how insane your argument is.

Further, have you looked at data concerning California's prisons?  You're not reading the Supreme Court decision properly -- actually, only about 33,000 prisoners will be either released OR sent to other jurisdictions.  And if you've looked at the number of prisoners incarcerated under the Three Strikes Law for non-violent offenses...well.  California arrests heads at an alarming rate.  Maybe this will help to show that that's just ignorant and something no state can truly afford to do.

I agree, it is every Americans right to own a gun provided they can obtain one legally and I don't have a problem with that.  I support that right whole-heartedly but I suppose I'm one of the few that supports EVERY right given to us in the Constitution.

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2011, 02:10:04 PM »
Pardon me.  This:

"...violating the 8th Amendment, but that's fine, JUST TAKE MY GUNS!" should have obviously read "...just DON'T take my guns!".

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2011, 02:27:58 PM »
So wait.  It's important to you that the government not take Americans guns (which, by the way, is just more of that fear mongering I mentioned and is not based in reality) but it's okay to you that prisoners in California's Constitutional rights are violated daily?  The Supreme Court rules that overcrowding is causing cruel and unusual punishment and it's violating the 8th Amendment, but that's fine, JUST TAKE MY GUNS!

Seriously, if you're gonna be a Tea-Partyin', Fox News groupie, you can't just pick which constitutional amendments you like and push for those, get on a message board and rail on the government for taking your guns, and then in the same breath rail on the government for protecting a Constitutional right for someone else.  Just shows how insane your argument is.

Further, have you looked at data concerning California's prisons?  You're not reading the Supreme Court decision properly -- actually, only about 33,000 prisoners will be either released OR sent to other jurisdictions.  And if you've looked at the number of prisoners incarcerated under the Three Strikes Law for non-violent offenses...well.  California arrests heads at an alarming rate.  Maybe this will help to show that that's just ignorant and something no state can truly afford to do.

I agree, it is every Americans right to own a gun provided they can obtain one legally and I don't have a problem with that.  I support that right whole-heartedly but I suppose I'm one of the few that supports EVERY right given to us in the Constitution.

Historically, it's not required that you do homework before spewing vast generalizations and citing a fakenews story here. Just grab some coffee and watch the show, at least it's entertaining.

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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2011, 02:29:15 PM »
Historically, it's not required that you do homework before spewing vast generalizations and citing a fakenews story here. Just grab some coffee and watch the show, at least it's entertaining.


In all honesty, I should learn to take that "sit back and be entertained" advice.  :)

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2011, 04:59:32 PM »
It is not fear mongering.  FACT" Obama did utter hose words to his buddies at the Brady bunch.  FACT Obama has neve voted against a gun control bill in his short songressional life.  Never found  one he disliked.  His history speaks for itself.  He is hoping for the 2d term so he can implement some of this ludicrous and illegal agenda.  some here can't see the forest for the trees.  I would feel sorry for you, but  you bring it on yourself.  Go hug a tree or something.

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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2011, 06:20:06 PM »
It is not fear mongering.  FACT" Obama did utter hose words to his buddies at the Brady bunch.  FACT Obama has neve voted against a gun control bill in his short songressional life.  Never found  one he disliked.  His history speaks for itself.  He is hoping for the 2d term so he can implement some of this ludicrous and illegal agenda.  some here can't see the forest for the trees.  I would feel sorry for you, but  you bring it on yourself.  Go hug a tree or something.

That's the most mature argument in a debate I've ever heard: "Go hug a tree."  Nice.

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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2011, 07:50:14 PM »
so it's not ok to  have convicts crowded in the prisons, but it is ok to disarm the ones that may have to defend themselves against criminals released because they were over crowded? what did they do to get to prison? who's rights did they violate that got them in prison? I don't care if they are packed in like sardines. maybe they will learn from the experience. and if not, a lawfully armed citizen will teach them.

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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2011, 08:04:00 PM »
so it's not ok to  have convicts crowded in the prisons, but it is ok to disarm the ones that may have to defend themselves against criminals released because they were over crowded? what did they do to get to prison? who's rights did they violate that got them in prison? I don't care if they are packed in like sardines. maybe they will learn from the experience. and if not, a lawfully armed citizen will teach them.

Dude, this is what I'm talking about.  I just said (had you read) that I agreed with every bit of an American's right to own and use a weapon, lawfully on both counts.  But what you've added here is that THAT right given to us by the Constitution is great and awesome and HELL YEAH, GIVE ME MY GUN! but yet you go on to say that the right to not suffer what the Supreme Court deems cruel and unusual punishment is basically second to your right to own a damn gun.

This doesn't jive.  Either you love the Constitution and you defend EVERY LAST SHRED OF IT the same or you scrap the whole thing.  This isn't the Bible and you're not Jerry Falwell -- you don't get to pick and choose which pieces you like and then ignore the ones you don't for your own argument.

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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2011, 08:47:33 PM »
Supreme Court orders release of over 30,000 prisoners in California to … improve health care
Hotair ^| 05/23/2011 | Ed Morrissey
 Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:56:50 AM by SeekAndFind
California will have to release over 30,000 inmates from its prison system to comply with a Supreme Court ruling earlier today. The court cited chronic violations of inmates’ rights in its 5-4 decision. The reductions will improve the delivery of health care services to the remaining inmates, claims the majority:
The Supreme Court on Monday endorsed a court order requiring California to cut its prison population by tens of thousands of inmates to improve health care for those who remain behind bars. The court said in a 5-4 decision that the reduction is “required by the Constitution” to correct longstanding violations of inmates’ rights. The order mandates a prison population of no more than 110,000 inmates, still far above the system’s designed capacity. There are more than 142,000 inmates in the state’s 33 adult prisons, meaning roughly 32,000 inmates will need to be transferred to other jurisdictions or released.
Anthony Kennedy joined the four liberal jurists in the decision, while the four conservatives were aghast at the implications. Calling the ruling “perhaps the most radical injunction issued by a court in our nation’s history,” Antonin Scalia’s dissent predicted a higher number of releases, 46,000. Those may end up going to county jurisdictions rather than state prisons, or perhaps sent to other states with more room in their penal system, but that will cost California money the state simply doesn’t have. The immediate effect of the order will almost certainly be a large-scale release. That will increase pressure on an already-overburdened parole system and send career criminals back to ply their trade in communities throughout the state — and the country. The increased costs on communities won’t help the state improve medical care to prisoners; it’s more likely to sap the state’s treasury. This poses other questions as well. What is California supposed to do with convicts now? If they can’t add to the current level of inmates, then they’re going to have to release even more on a one-for-one basis, putting revolving doors on the prisons again. The same will be true in other states, which had joined California in opposing the order, which now have to operate under a new Supreme Court mandate on prison populations. The state could build more prisons, which would solve the problem. Unfortunately, California spent its money on practically everything but new prisons over the last few decades. The average age of their prisons was 55 years in 2009′s report from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. California has a responsibility to invest in its prison infrastructure, as well as a responsibility to provide for the safety and basic health needs of its inmates. But the Supreme Court has its own responsibility to keep criminals from victimizing their communities, too. This looks like a big failure all the way around.

I'm sure their crime was far more serious than being "overcrowded" . prison should be a place that would make them change so they don't return, or go to in the first place.
 

 


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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2011, 08:50:30 PM »
In all honesty, I should learn to take that "sit back and be entertained" advice.  :)

If I did as much as I should, I would never post. lo
so it's not ok to  have convicts crowded in the prisons, but it is ok to disarm the ones that may have to defend themselves against criminals released because they were over crowded? what did they do to get to prison? who's rights did they violate that got them in prison? I don't care if they are packed in like sardines. maybe they will learn from the experience. and if not, a lawfully armed citizen will teach them.

Oh, don't worry, they definitely "learn" from the experience.

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2011, 10:51:31 PM »
That's the most mature argument in a debate I've ever heard: "Go hug a tree."  Nice.
Fits your liberal outlook.

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2011, 04:55:27 AM »
So wait.  It's important to you that the government not take Americans guns (which, by the way, is just more of that fear mongering I mentioned and is not based in reality) but it's okay to you that prisoners in California's Constitutional rights are violated daily?  The Supreme Court rules that overcrowding is causing cruel and unusual punishment and it's violating the 8th Amendment, but that's fine, JUST TAKE MY GUNS!

Seriously, if you're gonna be a Tea-Partyin', Fox News groupie, you can't just pick which constitutional amendments you like and push for those, get on a message board and rail on the government for taking your guns, and then in the same breath rail on the government for protecting a Constitutional right for someone else.  Just shows how insane your argument is.

Further, have you looked at data concerning California's prisons?  You're not reading the Supreme Court decision properly -- actually, only about 33,000 prisoners will be either released OR sent to other jurisdictions.  And if you've looked at the number of prisoners incarcerated under the Three Strikes Law for non-violent offenses...well.  California arrests heads at an alarming rate.  Maybe this will help to show that that's just ignorant and something no state can truly afford to do.

I agree, it is every Americans right to own a gun provided they can obtain one legally and I don't have a problem with that.  I support that right whole-heartedly but I suppose I'm one of the few that supports EVERY right given to us in the Constitution.


Those prisoners have more living space then a grunt in our military has aboard a ship for up to a year at a time. They broke the law, the grunt is serving your country. If they took the tv rooms, weight rooms ect. out they might have room for some tents for the dam law breakers to serve their time. They are all guilty remember. It's a dam shame you care more about prisoners then law abiding folks and that is just what it really boils down to!
PS..Glen Beck has his falts but he sure is right about on hell of allot of things.
If your going to be dumb, you better be tough!

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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2011, 02:28:39 PM »
been hearing for years they want to take are guns away. it isn't going to happen. i know many folks in this county that have been convicted and lost those rights and the gov cant keep guns out of their possessions. what would make you people believe they could take your guns away. it all bullshit and it aint good for ya. as far the prisons go we have more then any other country in the world and we still have higher violent crime rates then any one else. it don't work to rehabilitate criminals. it make the law agency's money ,it provides jobs in community that need them, but it don't make bad people better. folks if you keep buying in to the propaganda machine we call washington  d.c. one day you will gladly give up all your rights to be protected. i have read the constitution i know what my rights are and when the time comes ill fight to the death to keep my rights. till then it's all b.s. to keep us voting for crooks... or i mean elected officials.

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2011, 03:22:53 PM »
but there are far too many that believe the gov't will take care of them, stiff. The anti gun nits will not stop their attack on gun ownership. many members of congress want them banned and make no secret of their agenda(feinstein,schumer).   

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2011, 03:32:34 PM »
but there are far too many that believe the gov't will take care of them, stiff. The anti gun nits will not stop their attack on gun ownership. many members of congress want them banned and make no secret of their agenda(feinstein,schumer).   

I'd like specific quotes from Schumer and Feinstein regarding what you mention.  In fact, in looking through both their voting records and backing statements, I see nothing from either of them saying they'd like to keep guns out of the homes and hands of EVERY American.  I see nothing that restricts your right to own a gun within these statements.  Unless, of course, you're saying that you being subject to a background check at a gun show restricts your rights.  Or that you not being able to traffic guns  illegally across state lines restricts your rights.  Hell, I even note that Schumer voted FOR Vitter's amendment that would provide no funding to the UN or countries that restricted our gun rights or insisted upon taxing Americans guns.

It's about a smart policy.  If you're a law abiding citizen who enjoys gun usage in recreation and hunting situations, you're not overly concerned with a ban on assault rifles or a law requiring you to register your fire arms.  Instead, you're just a paranoid American with a ludicrous fear that the evil government wants your guns because they just love to piss on your rights.  That fear is just not based in reality.

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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2011, 05:49:04 PM »
Senator Dianne Feinstein: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out-right ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." CBS-TV's "60 Minutes", February 5, 1995

And yet she herself has a CCW! This is why

When asked about why she had a CCW this is what she said.



Quote:
"Less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer. And the bomb didn't detonate. [...] I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home. [...] And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."

when endorsing kerry; The assault weapon ban will expire next year," Feinstein wrote. "We need a president who will actively urge Congress to extend it, and John Kerry will do just that."

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right
of all Americans to feel safe."

schumer;
Unless the President personally intervenes here, it looks like terrorists are going to have an even easier time avoiding detection by law enforcement. The President has a choice: He can give the NRA a Christmas present and make it easier for an Al-Qaeda operative to avoid the police, get a gun and shoot up a mall. Or he can do the right thing, keep the Brady Bill intact and keep the public safe. We can either wait for a terror attack to happen or we can act now to close these kind of loopholes. Washington has now been warned time and time again about ways terrorists can exploit our loopholes to get guns. By ignoring these warnings, the President and his allies in Congress are putting the country at risk.“

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” To let the assault weapons ban expire just as we are realizing its benefits would be a major setback in the success we’ve had in reducing crime over the last decade. The fact of the matter is that there is no legitimate use for these weapons. That was as true in 1994 as it is today. The bottom line is that the assault weapons ban is working and we are safer because of it.“

Schumer: Congress doesn’t have the votes for gun control
January 17th, 2011

“There is a right to bear arms. It’s in the Constitution. And you can’t ignore it, just like you can’t ignore the others,” he said. “But like all the other rights, it’s not absolute.”

Rep. Charles Schumer: "Once Brady is signed into law, we will have to go back and get this sunset [phaseout of the delay] undone." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, November 11, 1993


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Re: For all those Naysayers Supporting Obama
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2011, 05:51:22 PM »
schumer's record

Enforce gun laws on national security grounds. (Dec 2003)
Renew assault weapons ban - no legitimate use for them. (Nov 2003)
Penalize cross-state gun traffickers. (Sep 2003)
Cutting record-keeping limits fosters gun sale fraud & abuse. (Jun 2001)
Voted NO on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted NO on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Close the Gun Show Loophole; restrict show sales. (May 2009)

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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2011, 05:54:55 PM »
feinstein's record

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Dianne_Feinstein_Gun_Control.htm

these aren't the only one's that want to ban gun's. there are other's that want to also, starting with a national registry of all firearms.

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2011, 11:53:16 PM »
Fits your liberal outlook.

Well he's a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko fags! I betchya he's even got a commie flag. Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage.