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wonder who she will vote for
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Modified: Saturday, Jan. 07, 2012 ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. Only 10 military service members get personal Christmas Day phone calls from President Barack Obama. Last month, Coast Guard Petty Officer Golda Payne learned she would be one of them.
Payne, a 25-year-old Tampa native stationed in Kuwait, couldn't wait. She researched the Obama family. She planned to keep things "light," maybe ask about the family dog and tell him about her bulldog puppy. She gave an interview to the Coast Guard newspaper.
But Christmas came, and Obama never called. Two days later, Payne said her officers told her this was why: The White House had run a criminal background check on her, saw a 2006 drunken driving conviction and didn't want to risk negative publicity.
Payne said she was hurt and disappointed. The drunken driving arrest is her only criminal charge, according to state records, and was a turning point that led her to join the military.
"The Coast Guard has been hands down the best thing that has ever happened to me," Payne said in an email. "It provided me structure and discipline when I needed it most."
Neither the White House nor the Coast Guard would confirm or deny the details of the decision.
Payne's officers nominated her to get one of the president's phone calls. She said she was told she got the nod because of her work performance.
After Payne's bosses told her why Obama never called, she Skyped her aunt, Golda Graves.
"I was hurt, angry, devastated. I felt like I was not 'worthy' to speak to the president because of a mistake that I made five years ago," Payne said.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/08/2907338/servicewoman-told-dui-cost-her.html#storylink=cpy

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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2012, 06:49:48 PM »
Not like she did cocaine like he did.

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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 10:56:27 PM »
Let's be fair to President Obama on this one ... at the national level of politics, people need to be ultra-careful to avoid even the appearance of problems.

Around here, people seem to think it's strange that I check the criminal records and tax filings and contribution lists of candidates for public office, and accuse me of playing dirty politics. At the national level, however, news media do much more than that. One of the Republican candidates for president avoided attending events at a certain well-known Iowa chain of convenience stores because a member of the family that runs it had significant criminal issues in his past. Even though I was a reporter in Iowa, I never considered checking something like that, but obviously other media did.

What President Obama did in this case is what many and perhaps all of the Republican candidates would do if they get elected president. The exception might be someone like John McCain whose own military career had more than a few hiccups, and he could quite credibly highlight the role of military service in helping this Coast Guard petty officer straighten out her life. Other than Gov. Rick Perry and Rep. Ron Paul, I don't think any of the other current candidates for either party would have been able to make that call without getting questions asked, and unlike McCain who was quite a "wild boy" in the Navy, I'm not sure Perry or Paul's military background included a history of comparable problems.
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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 11:57:40 PM »
Why be fair to him?  He certainly has not been fair to us.  Look at NDAA and what congress is placing before him soon.  The Enemy Expatriation Act.  Traitors all. Him too if he signes it as I know he will.  All that power.......

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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 12:53:30 AM »
the dui charge was a turning point in her life that led her to JOIN the military. It did not happen while on active duty, I think you missed that Darrell. look at the research she did and what she intended to talk about. Her dui was an irrelevant point. Nobama missed an opportunity to showcase how joining the military was a positive step for this person. And if the dui came out afterwards her joining the military reinforces that fact. but nobama is not in the business of building up people anyway!

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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 02:41:44 AM »
the dui charge was a turning point in her life that led her to JOIN the military. It did not happen while on active duty, I think you missed that Darrell. look at the research she did and what she intended to talk about. Her dui was an irrelevant point. Nobama missed an opportunity to showcase how joining the military was a positive step for this person. And if the dui came out afterwards her joining the military reinforces that fact. but nobama is not in the business of building up people anyway!

Actually, I did see that... it's why I wrote that McCain "could quite credibly highlight the role of military service in helping this Coast Guard petty officer straighten out her life."

A person who has worn the uniform can say that with credibility. People who haven't worn the uniform need to be very careful what they say about the military since it can get seriously twisted. Imagine if President Obama had called the woman, then it was found out she had a drunk driving conviction (and it probably would have been found out), and Obama, in response, had said -- quite correctly -- that the military helps a lot of young people straighten out their lives by giving them the discipline they need to succeed.

Some would take that statement at face value and believe it.

There are also people who would take that statement and accuse Obama of saying the military is a place for drunks and social rejects, and since there was a time when judges **WERE** saying "join up or go to jail," other people would accuse Obama of having an outdated and incorrect view of who serves today.

I think those of us who have not dealt with a presidential campaign may not fully understand just how careful politicians and their staff are in these matters -- and they really have very little choice. In politics, avoiding the problem is often much easier than dealing with the consequences once the problem blows up.

Obviously I'm not in Obama's shoes but I think a call from Vice President Joe Biden, whose son does have many years of military service and who has been a Democratic Party advocate for military concerns and police issues for a long time, might have avoided the whole situation. Hindsight is usually better than predictive powers in these cases.

Something more needs to be said about Obama and his contact with military matters.

Everyone who knows me knows I have virtually no areas of agreement with Obama's policies on national defense. For whatever it's worth, remember that I used to be a reporter in Iowa and I have church connections in that state going back more than two decades. The information I'm consistently getting out of Iowa is that then-candidate Obama, in his many months of slogging through small Iowa towns in 2007 leading up to the 2008 Iowa Democratic Caucuses, was in fact quite surprised by what was probably his first close-up experience with families who have sons and daughters in the military. Democrats sign up too, especially in rural communities, and in lots of small towns Obama saw firsthand what it means to be a mom or a dad with a blue star flags in their home. That simply is not a part of Chicago politics that he had seen in his prior political career.

The people I know who dealt with Obama before he was an important player on the Democratic Party scene believe Obama's surprise at what military families go through is real, and since that has been part of Biden's agenda for many years, I think we have at least one advocate for military families at the upper levels of Democratic Party politics. That's not the same as being an advocate for the military or for good national defense policy, but it's better than nothing.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not a Democrat or anywhere close to being a Democrat or even a moderate Republican. I'm a hard-right conservative who will be furious if Mitt Romney becomes our nominee. However, our political enemies are not wrong on everything, and sometimes I get surprised by liberals who actually get a few things right. Even broken clocks are right twice a day.
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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 03:09:28 AM »
To of avoided all this crap why didn't they do a background check
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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 04:24:41 AM »
To of avoided all this crap why didn't they do a background check
'BEFORE' they invited her  ***(((*

Good question for the Coast Guard, too: "Payne's officers nominated her to get one of the president's phone calls. She said she was told she got the nod because of her work performance."

Some junior or mid-level staffers in the White House as well as some mid-level to senior officers in the Coast Guard are likely having to answer hard questions now. I have seen the consequences for Fort Leonard Wood and Missouri National Guard personnel at the colonel and general officer level when people in the Pentagon get copies of some things I have written. It's not pretty.

Something like this will have far more troublesome consequences. That's unfortunate for the military personnel, but the politicians knew what to expect, or at least they should have.

There is very room for error in dealing with national-level political issues. Otherwise, presidents and senators come off looking like county commissioners and that rarely plays well on network newscasts.
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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 06:01:22 PM »
I would love to see what a background on rapper Common would turn up but then again I seriously doubt one was ever done!

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Re: wonder who she will vote for
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 06:50:33 PM »
I would love to see one on Obama.  But then I doubt a serious one was ever done there either.  Known to consort wit terrorists and communists, as well as having been a drug user.